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1. 07:05 AM - Re: interior sun screens (orchidman)
2. 10:05 AM - Re: RVator (RobHickman@aol.com)
3. 11:18 AM - soundproofing options (rv10builder)
4. 12:01 PM - Re: soundproofing options (carlos)
5. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: interior sun screens (effectus@rogers.com)
6. 01:48 PM - Op Tech panel at Oshkosh (George Soverit)
7. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: interior sun screens (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
8. 02:25 PM - Re: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh (Rick Sked)
9. 03:04 PM - Re: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh (George Soverit)
10. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: interior sun screens (Jesse Saint)
11. 06:59 PM - Re: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh (John W. Cox)
12. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: interior sun screens (John W. Cox)
13. 07:22 PM - RV10 Front wheel Shimmy (ddddsp1@juno.com)
14. 08:05 PM - Plane completion pictures (Wayne Edgerton)
15. 08:07 PM - FW: To Prim or not to Prim (Joseph Rhodes)
16. 08:54 PM - Re: FW: To Prim or not to Prim (Pascal)
17. 09:07 PM - Re: Plane completion pictures (Rick Sked)
18. 09:07 PM - Re: Plane completion pictures (Pascal)
19. 09:07 PM - Re: FW: To Prim or not to Prim (Rick Sked)
20. 10:10 PM - Re: Plane completion pictures (Dave Leikam)
21. 10:12 PM - Re: FW: To Prim or not to Prim (LES KEARNEY)
22. 10:34 PM - Firewall Vent Boxes (LES KEARNEY)
23. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
24. 11:09 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: interior sun screens |
I am seriously considering going this route but before this thread started I had
a question that has not been addressed yet and I believe it can only be addressed
by someone flying.
My question is: Is there any impact with the static ports? The location of the
NACA scoops appear to be in line with the static ports. Do the scoops induce
any disturbance that could interfere with the static ports?
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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They do not have the same calibration in both units.
Rob Hickman
N401RH RV-4 N402RH RV-10
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| Subject: | soundproofing options |
I was reviewing some soundproofing options and saw this company. Anyone
know anything about their effectiveness in an aircraft?
http://www.dynamat.com/products_automotive_dynamat_xtreme.html
Thanks!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: soundproofing options |
Pascal,
I used to be associated with a car club here in Phoenix and this
material is HEAVY! Seriously it is. To do an area of a -10 your just
adding dead weight you do not want. I don't believe it to be a suitable
option for aviation.
Carlos in AZ
rv10builder wrote:
> I was reviewing some soundproofing options and saw this company.
> Anyone know anything about their effectiveness in an aircraft?
> http://www.dynamat.com/products_automotive_dynamat_xtreme.html
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> Thanks!
>
> Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: interior sun screens |
I have been considering putting them lower towards the bottom of the aircra
ft to avoid the static ports.=0A=0ADave Hertner=0A10164 Finishing Wings=0A
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route but before this thread started I had a question that has not been ad
dressed yet and I believe it can only be addressed by someone flying.=0A=0A
My question is: Is there any impact with the static ports? The location o
f the NACA scoops appear to be in line with the static ports. Do the scoop
s induce any disturbance that could interfere with the static ports?=0A=0A-
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| Subject: | Op Tech panel at Oshkosh |
Hello Everybody,
There was a beautiful Op Tech panel at Osh at the Accuracy Avionics stand.
Can anybody tell me who owned that beauty, or where I might be able to see
some photos?
Thank you,
George Soverit (cabin doors)
9:46 PM
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| Subject: | Re: interior sun screens |
I have asked that question directly to Tony and got the response that
there was no issue. I also talked directly to the person that did the
flight testing for the first plane with the dual NACA approach and he
said that there was no noticeable issue. With that said, I am still
pondering whether to cut the holes or just go with the scoop. If I do
install NACA vents they will not be in line with the static ports.
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: interior sun screens
I am seriously considering going this route but before this thread
started I had a question that has not been addressed yet and I believe
it can only be addressed by someone flying.
My question is: Is there any impact with the static ports? The
location of the NACA scoops appear to be in line with the static ports.
Do the scoops induce any disturbance that could interfere with the
static ports?
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137397#137397
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| Subject: | Re: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh |
Here is one from Deem's library
http://deemsrv10.com/album/OSHKOSH%202007/Misc/slides/DSC_0048.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Soverit" <georgesoverit@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 1:47:46 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh
Hello Everybody,
There was a beautiful Op Tech panel at Osh at the Accuracy Avionics stand.
Can anybody tell me who owned that beauty, or where I might be able to see
some photos?
Thank you,
George Soverit (cabin doors)
9:46 PM
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| Subject: | Op Tech panel at Oshkosh |
Thanks Rick
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh
Here is one from Deem's library
http://deemsrv10.com/album/OSHKOSH%202007/Misc/slides/DSC_0048.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Soverit" <georgesoverit@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 1:47:46 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh
Hello Everybody,
There was a beautiful Op Tech panel at Osh at the Accuracy Avionics stand.
Can anybody tell me who owned that beauty, or where I might be able to see
some photos?
Thank you,
George Soverit (cabin doors)
9:46 PM
9:46 PM
9:46 PM
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| Subject: | Re: interior sun screens |
Has any testing been done as to where the exhaust air goes back in that
area? Putting them too low would make me start worrying about the
possibility of getting exhaust air into the cabin.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: effectus@rogers.com [mailto:effectus@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: interior sun screens
I have been considering putting them lower towards the bottom of the
aircraft to avoid the static ports.
Dave Hertner
10164 Finishing Wings
----- Original Message ----
From: orchidman <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 10:04:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: interior sun screens
I am seriously considering going this route but before this thread started I
had a question that has not been addressed yet and I believe it can only be
addressed by someone flying.
My question is: Is there any impact with the static ports? The location of
the NACA scoops appear to be in line with the static ports. Do the scoops
induce any disturbance that could interfere with the static ports?
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13739 --
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137397#137397> >
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| Subject: | Op Tech panel at Oshkosh |
George, I agree with your assessment of a beautiful panel.
My database shows the panel was built for Dwayne Herring of Midland,
Texas, kit #40506. Hopefully he is a lurker on this list and will
respond direct to you on the decisions which guided his selection.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Soverit
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh
<georgesoverit@yahoo.com>
Thanks Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh
Here is one from Deem's library
http://deemsrv10.com/album/OSHKOSH%202007/Misc/slides/DSC_0048.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Soverit" <georgesoverit@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 1:47:46 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh
<georgesoverit@yahoo.com>
Hello Everybody,
There was a beautiful Op Tech panel at Osh at the Accuracy Avionics
stand.
Can anybody tell me who owned that beauty, or where I might be able to
see
some photos?
Thank you,
George Soverit (cabin doors)
9:46 PM
9:46 PM
9:46 PM
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| Subject: | Re: interior sun screens |
Jesse, fluid dynamics tends to indicate that the flow rate will go from
High pressure to the Low regions regardless of discharge of the exhaust
gases at an arbitrary point on the airframe. Tufting most often
indicates a one and a half to three complete swirls around the fuselage
from the propeller thrust before exiting the rudder with electrons and
other products. That is dependent on the number of blades, density of
the air, airspeed of the aircraft and other factors. Ken Krueger should
be able to provide excellent input on reasons for static placement and
the zones of lower under burned hydro-carbon and other harmful gases
slipping past on their way back into the environment.
Your concern was well founded in Lancairs with a P-51 style belly
induction for A/C which was directly downstream of the Dolly Pardon
bulges and turbo exhaust discharge. That challenge led to the NACA duct
solution that became part of Tony's product development. Rain ingestion
is another issue which Deem's must be understanding better after his
Transition Training with Mike Seager. Friday hit an all-time rainfall
record for an Ocean state.
It is worth researching and asking Ken on placement. Sharing with us,
the fluid flow dynamics could have a positive impact on lots of
decisions.
John Cox
KUAO
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: interior sun screens
Has any testing been done as to where the exhaust air goes back in that
area? Putting them too low would make me start worrying about the
possibility of getting exhaust air into the cabin.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
________________________________
From: effectus@rogers.com [mailto:effectus@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: interior sun screens
I have been considering putting them lower towards the bottom of the
aircraft to avoid the static ports.
Dave Hertner
10164 Finishing Wings
----- Original Message ----
From: orchidman <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 10:04:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: interior sun screens
I am seriously considering going this route but before this thread
started I had a question that has not been addressed yet and I believe
it can only be addressed by someone flying.
My question is: Is there any impact with the static ports? The
location of the NACA scoops appear to be in line with the static ports.
Do the scoops induce any disturbance that could interfere with the
static ports?
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=13739 -->
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137397#137397>
to
and
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1p;%20--%3e%20%3ca%20target=>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | RV10 Front wheel Shimmy |
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to post findings on our 100 hour inspection this weekend.
I know there has been some issues on the front wheel bushings.........w
e did the fix per Van's new instructions at 25 hours. Shorten shaft to
right length....torque to specs..............at 100 hours the bushings h
ave not moved! Also, tire wear looks very good.......should go to 200 h
ours before needing to rotate. I contribute this low wear to longer fli
ghts........less landings.........and PERFECT landings........LOL. Tir
es needed a few psi. Brake wear looks even on both tires and is still a
bout 70%. I did find some of the bottom bolts on the fuel pump were need
ing a little tightening. The air filter was very clean yet except for a
few inches around the front. Oil/filter continues to look clean with no
shavings. Added a little wire wrap to left side plug wires to keep the
m from slightly rubbing the oil line.
All that done and we are ready for the next 100 hours..........leaving f
or LOE on Friday. What a great plane!
Dean 805HL
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| Subject: | Plane completion pictures |
Hello fellow builders,
Today was a big milestone day for me in my plane building quest that I
have been on for the last 2 1/2 years. I picked up my plane from the
paint shop. I'm finally getting the feeling that I may be getting close
to be done with the building process and can now move on to my favorite
part, which is the flying. It's been a long and at times frustrating
process but I'm really happy with the end results so that makes it all
worth while.
We are flying to Land of Enchantment on Friday for the first RV flyin
with the plane. I've attached some pictures that were taken today
outside of the Glo Customs hangar by Grady when I was picking up the
plane. Grady and crew did a great job for me.
My wifes question for me today was, "Ok what are you going to come up
with next?" hummm :>}
Wayne Edgerton N602WT build # 40336
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| Subject: | FW: To Prim or not to Prim |
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From: Joseph Rhodes [mailto:joe@rvbuildernet.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: To Prim or not to Prim
New builder 40744 Joseph Rhodes
To Prim or not to Prim and with what
I live in Florida and with the humidity, salt air and for resale value I
would like to use a good primer
What are you builders using?
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks Joe
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| Subject: | Re: FW: To Prim or not to Prim |
oy vay!
Look at the archives and you'll see 100's of opinions on this.
Use anything you want from a DTM wash primer from SW to the Van's QB
primer of SW P60 to 2 part stuff from Spruce.
Jesse can tell you what he's using.
My decision in California was prime for the extra measure (and scratches
I seemed to create moving pieces around) and I used the easiest thing I
could find. Sherwin Williams DTM wash primer. It works, I believe, well
enough for me.
I believe ERAU has Cessnas in Daytona Beach with no primer- I doubt
they're worried about it..
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Rhodes
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FW: To Prim or not to Prim
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From: Joseph Rhodes [mailto:joe@rvbuildernet.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:49 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: To Prim or not to Prim
New builder 40744 Joseph Rhodes
To Prim or not to Prim and with what
I live in Florida and with the humidity, salt air and for resale value
I would like to use a good primer
What are you builders using?
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Plane completion pictures |
She's a beaut Wayne!! And the RV looks darn good too.....congrats on gettin
g to the 100 percent mark.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 8:01:50 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Plane completion pictures
Hello fellow builders,
Today was a big milestone day for me in my plane building quest that I have
been on for the last 2 1/2 years. I picked up my plane from the paint shop
. I'm finally getting the feeling that I may be getting close to be done wi
th the building process and can now move on to my favorite part, which is
=C2-the flying. It's been a long and at times frustrating process but I'm
really happy with the end results so that makes it all worth while.
We=C2-are flying to Land of Enchantment=C2-on Friday=C2-for the first
RV flyin with the plane.=C2-I 've attached some pictures that were taken
today outside of the Glo Customs hangar by Grady when I was picking up the
plane. Grady and crew did a great job for me.
My wifes=C2-question for me today was, "Ok what are you going to come up
with next?"=C2-=C2- hummm=C2-=C2-:>}
Wayne Edgerton N602WT=C2- build # 40336
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| Subject: | Re: Plane completion pictures |
Nice job Wayne!
Congratulations on a beautiful plane. Really like that Aerocomposite
prop.
A real Beauty indeed. You must be proud!
P
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Plane completion pictures
Hello fellow builders,
Today was a big milestone day for me in my plane building quest that I
have been on for the last 2 1/2 years. I picked up my plane from the
paint shop. I'm finally getting the feeling that I may be getting close
to be done with the building process and can now move on to my favorite
part, which is the flying. It's been a long and at times frustrating
process but I'm really happy with the end results so that makes it all
worth while.
We are flying to Land of Enchantment on Friday for the first RV flyin
with the plane. I've attached some pictures that were taken today
outside of the Glo Customs hangar by Grady when I was picking up the
plane. Grady and crew did a great job for me.
My wifes question for me today was, "Ok what are you going to come up
with next?" hummm :>}
Wayne Edgerton N602WT build # 40336
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| Subject: | Re: FW: To Prim or not to Prim |
Oh my Gosh Joe!!!
You do a lot of fishing? Because you just opened the biggest can 'o' worms
in the metal plane building business.
I used SW 988 SE primer after scuffing and alumabrighting.... Step back fro
m your monitor, it's gonna get ugly!!
Go to www.vansairforce.net =C2-join the forums, search for Primer=C2-an
d read for a few weeks if you really want some entertainment.
Rick S.
40185
Finishing the finishing of the finishing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Rhodes" <joe@rvbuildernet.com>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 3:57:17 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: FW: To Prim or not to Prim
From: Joseph Rhodes [mailto:joe@rvbuildernet.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: To Prim or not to Prim
New builder 40744 Joseph Rhodes
To Prim or not to Prim and with what=C2-
I live in Florida and with the humidity, salt air and for resale value I wo
uld like to use a good primer
What are you builders using? =C2-=C2-
Any help would be appreciated
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| Subject: | Re: Plane completion pictures |
You guys just keep raising the bar! Great job!
Dave Leikam
40496
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Plane completion pictures
Hello fellow builders,
Today was a big milestone day for me in my plane building quest that I
have been on for the last 2 1/2 years. I picked up my plane from the
paint shop. I'm finally getting the feeling that I may be getting close
to be done with the building process and can now move on to my favorite
part, which is the flying. It's been a long and at times frustrating
process but I'm really happy with the end results so that makes it all
worth while.
We are flying to Land of Enchantment on Friday for the first RV flyin
with the plane. I've attached some pictures that were taken today
outside of the Glo Customs hangar by Grady when I was picking up the
plane. Grady and crew did a great job for me.
My wifes question for me today was, "Ok what are you going to come up
with next?" hummm :>}
Wayne Edgerton N602WT build # 40336
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| Subject: | Re: FW: To Prim or not to Prim |
Joe
The decision to prime (or not) as well as the system used is an intensely personal
one. Ask any 10 builders what they are using and you will likely get a dozen
different answers.
About a year ago when I started building I spoke to a few people and this is what
I came up with:
Many primers are very toxic. Just looking at the cotents of a typical rattle can
primer almost made me grow a third arm
I am building in an attached garage - I didn't want to polliute the environment
in my house
I am building in a cold environment so my garage is heated with a gas heater. This
means I dn't want to use a systen that gives of combustabl fumes
Because I am in a confined space (closed garage in winter) I want a primer that
doesn't require *huge* ventilation
What I ended up using was Sherwin Williams DTM (Direct to Metal) Wash Pimer (product
code B71 Y 1). This is a water based product and cleans up easily. I apply
it using a standard paint sprayer.
It is not a two part epoxy system so there is no mixing involved.
Cost in Canada is about $55 / gal. used about two gallons on the tail section.
Surface prep was simple - I scuffed the surfaces with a sctch brite pad, cleaned
ith lacquer thinner and then sprayed on.
PPE was simple - I used a half mask just to protect aganst lacquer thinner fumes
and the paint mist.
This product is designed for aluminium and seemed about the best compromise between
not priming and needing a paint booth to prime.
Keep in mind that some people don't prime at all (my '66 Cherokee was never primed
for that matter).
Anyway, this is what I do. Is it the *best* way to go? Who knows!
Have fun building!
Les Kearney
#40643
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Rhodes <joe@rvbuildernet.com>
Subject: RV10-List: FW: To Prim or not to Prim
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> From: Joseph Rhodes [mailto:joe@rvbuildernet.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:49 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: To Prim or not to Prim
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> New builder 40744 Joseph Rhodes
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> To Prim or not to Prim and with what
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> I live in Florida and with the humidity, salt air and for resale
> value I
> would like to use a good primer
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> What are you builders using?
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> Any help would be appreciated
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> Thanks Joe
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| Subject: | Firewall Vent Boxes |
Hi
A couple of weeks ago there was an interesting thread about the various flavours
of Pro-Seal and what should be used to seal gaps in the firewall. The gist of
the discussion was that the actual compound used to seal the gaps should have
the apropriate fire (temperature) rating.
As I complete the fuselage, I keep looking at the aluminium vent boxes that mount on the engine side of the firewall. I have also just come across this link to a company that sells steel vent boxes for RV10s and other Van's a/c. Th link is http://www.epm-avcorp.com/ssdiv.html.
Are there any opinions out there as to whether or not this is a useful upgrade
to the Vans kit. It seems to me that if the firewall is steel and we are going
to take great care to fireproof the gaps, shouldn't we do the same with the vent
boxes (which represent the largest penetration of the firewall)? This seems
logical to me, but I would be interested in other points of view.
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
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From: Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: To Prim or not to Prim
> oy vay!
> Look at the archives and you'll see 100's of opinions on this.
> Use anything you want from a DTM wash primer from SW to the
> Van's QB primer of SW P60 to 2 part stuff from Spruce.
> Jesse can tell you what he's using.
> My decision in California was prime for the extra measure (and
> scratches I seemed to create moving pieces around) and I used
> the easiest thing I could find. Sherwin Williams DTM wash
> primer. It works, I believe, well enough for me.
> I believe ERAU has Cessnas in Daytona Beach with no primer- I
> doubt they're worried about it..
> Pascal
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Rhodes
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:57 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: FW: To Prim or not to Prim
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> From: Joseph Rhodes [mailto:joe@rvbuildernet.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:49 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: To Prim or not to Prim
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>
> New builder 40744 Joseph Rhodes
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> To Prim or not to Prim and with what
>
> I live in Florida and with the humidity, salt air and for
> resale value I would like to use a good primer
>
> What are you builders using?
>
> Any help would be appreciated
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> Thanks Joe
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
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RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
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