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1. 12:04 AM - Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane (John Dunne)
2. 01:52 AM - Drillbit extensions (Patrick ONeill)
3. 02:00 AM - QB fuse riveting goodies (Patrick ONeill)
4. 02:07 AM - Rivethead Aero Staic Ports (Patrick ONeill)
5. 02:49 AM - Re: Drillbit extensions (tomhanaway)
6. 04:09 AM - Re: Rivethead Aero Staic Ports (Tim Olson)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
8. 07:45 AM - Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
9. 07:58 AM - Re: Drillbit extensions (johngoodman)
10. 08:37 AM - Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane (johngoodman)
11. 08:40 AM - Re: Drillbit extensions (Michael Wellenzohn)
12. 09:25 AM - Re: Firewall & bottom skin Pro-Seal (Jeff Carpenter)
13. 09:35 AM - LOE 2007 (ddddsp1@juno.com)
14. 11:03 AM - Re: instrument selection (Bill DeRouchey)
15. 01:06 PM - Re: instrument selection (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
16. 01:39 PM - Panel choices (Eric_Kallio)
17. 02:03 PM - Re: Firewall & bottom skin Pro-Seal (orchidman)
18. 02:53 PM - Re: Panel choices (Rick Sked)
19. 03:18 PM - Re: Panel choices (Ben Westfall)
20. 03:45 PM - Re: Panel choices (Scott Schmidt)
21. 03:59 PM - Another RV-10 in the air (Perry Casson - Home)
22. 04:14 PM - Re: Another RV-10 in the air (Marcus Cooper)
23. 04:19 PM - Re: Another RV-10 in the air (Rene Felker)
24. 05:02 PM - Re: Panel choices (Rick Sked)
25. 05:02 PM - Angle of Attach Indicator (whd721)
26. 06:04 PM - Re: Angle of Attack Indicator (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
27. 06:18 PM - Horizon 1 to SL wiring (McGANN, Ron)
28. 06:43 PM - Re: Another RV-10 in the air (Jesse Saint)
29. 07:16 PM - Re: Another RV-10 in the air (Perry Casson - Home)
30. 08:13 PM - Flap Angler was Another RV-10 in the air (Larry Rosen)
31. 09:04 PM - Re: Flap Angler was Another RV-10 in the air (Perry Casson - Home)
32. 09:07 PM - Flap Positioning System Problems (Rene)
33. 09:26 PM - Re: Flap Positioning System Problems (Rick Sked)
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| Subject: | Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane |
Pat, also check this out in Part 101 Australian CAO 's for Amateur Built
category, Airworthiness Certification requirements( probably similar
existence in the FARs ).
If any Aussies need the full Part 101 copy contact me off-list.
Make of it what you will.
John 40315
"3.11 Stall warning
There must be a clear and distinctive stall warning with wing flaps and
landing gear in any normal position, in both straight and turning flight,
sufficiently in advance of the stall to provide the pilot with adequate
warning.
Note: The warning may be furnished either through inherent aerodynamic
qualities of the aeroplane or by a device that will give clearly
distinguishable indications under expected conditions of flight. However, a
visual stall warning device that requires the attention of the crew within
the cockpit is not acceptable by itself".
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane
<patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
Thanks for all your great responses guys.
Regards
Pat
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From: Rick Sked [mailto:ricksked@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane
Patrick,
I have a light, the horn and the AOA on the 3500, I figure if one or the
other fails, there is still a backup. I was not planning on using the
AOA as a primary stall indicator but for a more stabilized approach.
Anyone who has flow the RV-10 can tell you it has plenty of stall
warning through the seat of your pants let alone all the other goodies
we can put in it. I can pull the CB on the stall vane system if it gets
too annoying. And besides, it came with the kit and I would hate to let
Van know he sold something to me and I didn't install and use it, that
would be like selling someone something they didn't need!! :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Drillbit extensions |
I'm planning to enlarge the wiring run holes in the QB wings in the next
week or two and I am trying to locate a source for a drill bit extension
that will accommodate the unibit's 3/8" shank. I can find many 1/4" and
7/16" shank extensions, but so far I have found none for a bit with 3/8"
shank.
The ones I have been looking at are the 12" or 18" extensions (planned on
using several as required) with Allen head screws to secure the bit in the
extension. I don't believe an extension for a 7/16" shank would work
because of the difficulties centering the bit. The last thing I want is a
crazed unibit wreaking havoc inside the wings.
I know some homegrown solutions were discussed here not long ago, but does
anyone have a good recommendation or online source for such extensions?
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715
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| Subject: | QB fuse riveting goodies |
With all the talk about pulling floor pans this last week, I was motivated
to spray some primer on the inside floor skins this weekend. While
inspecting I noticed these dubious rivets tucked away in the fuse side:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=1948
There are several barely driven rivets (for which the photo does not do
justice) and one driven completely flush with the skin. There were several
remains in the compartment of drilled out shop heads and no skin separation
to account for the rest of the rivet, so I'm thinking the flat shop head
rivet was already drilled out several times and the hole is significantly
enlarged. This might be a candidate for my first ever oops rivet.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715
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| Subject: | Rivethead Aero Staic Ports |
I installed the Rivethead static ports a few weeks ago and was wondering
about the issue regarding degree of protrusion and accuracy.
Photo here:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=1870
Has anyone had accuracy issues with the Rivethead static ports? They
protrude out approximately 1mm from the skins. I don't remember the
specifics of the Cleveland flush static port issues and just wondered if
this is satisfactory or not before I rivet up the tailcone top skins.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715
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| Subject: | Re: Drillbit extensions |
I just went through this on my 10 QB wings. The other issue is that any head that
holds a 3/8 shank is bigger than the max 3/4" recommended hole.
Avery tools makes a 12" extension where the size of the head has been cut down
to just fit through the 3/4" hole yet it holds a 3/8" shank. Works great. Plus,
although not necessary for this portion of the project, you can easily extend
the 12" extension with standard 1/4 " extenders since the shank of the Avery
tool is 1/4".
Of course, if you live in South Florida, you're welcome to borrow mine :^)
Tom Hanaway
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead Aero Staic Ports |
I think they will be fine. Paint them with the plane and they'll
keep that distance from the rest of the skin, and I think you'll
have good luck.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Patrick ONeill wrote:
>
> I installed the Rivethead static ports a few weeks ago and was wondering
> about the issue regarding degree of protrusion and accuracy.
>
> Photo here:
>
> http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=1870
>
> Has anyone had accuracy issues with the Rivethead static ports? They
> protrude out approximately 1mm from the skins. I don't remember the
> specifics of the Cleveland flush static port issues and just wondered if
> this is satisfactory or not before I rivet up the tailcone top skins.
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick #40715
>
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| Subject: | Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane |
I have installed the AOA Pro from AFS and left out the stall vane from
vans. I figured the AOA will let me know when I am getting close and the
seat of my pants will tell me when I am falling off the edge.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane
<patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
Could anyone please indicate their thoughts regarding the deletion of
the Vans stall warning vane and micro-switch in favour of installing
only an angle of attack device.
I have purchased the Advanced Flight Systems Angle of Attack Pro and the
features of this device seem to negate the need to install the Vans
stall warning vane and buzzer.
If anyone out there has adopted this configuration I would very much
like to hear from you, with a view to gauging your thoughts regarding
the success or otherwise of this approach.
Thanks in advance from downunder.
PATRICK PULIS
RV-10 #40299
Adelaide, South Australia
Email: patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au
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| Subject: | Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane |
Does this mean the buffet from approaching stall, coupled with the
visual indication and audible warning from the AOA will meet the
requirement? This worked for the FAA on my plane, but as we know in the
US it is entirely dependant on which inspector you get.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane
Pat, also check this out in Part 101 Australian CAO 's for Amateur Built
category, Airworthiness Certification requirements( probably similar
existence in the FARs ).
If any Aussies need the full Part 101 copy contact me off-list.
Make of it what you will.
John 40315
"3.11 Stall warning
There must be a clear and distinctive stall warning with wing flaps and
landing gear in any normal position, in both straight and turning
flight,
sufficiently in advance of the stall to provide the pilot with adequate
warning.
Note: The warning may be furnished either through inherent aerodynamic
qualities of the aeroplane or by a device that will give clearly
distinguishable indications under expected conditions of flight.
However, a
visual stall warning device that requires the attention of the crew
within
the cockpit is not acceptable by itself".
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane
<patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
Thanks for all your great responses guys.
Regards
Pat
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From: Rick Sked [mailto:ricksked@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane
Patrick,
I have a light, the horn and the AOA on the 3500, I figure if one or the
other fails, there is still a backup. I was not planning on using the
AOA as a primary stall indicator but for a more stabilized approach.
Anyone who has flow the RV-10 can tell you it has plenty of stall
warning through the seat of your pants let alone all the other goodies
we can put in it. I can pull the CB on the stall vane system if it gets
too annoying. And besides, it came with the kit and I would hate to let
Van know he sold something to me and I didn't install and use it, that
would be like selling someone something they didn't need!! :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Drillbit extensions |
Patrick,
I just finished that step. Instead of enlarging, I put in another set of holes.
Here's how I did it. First, made a template so they would line up. In the open
bays, I used a #30 to start a pilot hole, then followed up with a unibit to
3/8". This size is perfect for a #4 snap bushing. Instead of the unibit I got
from Avery, I went to the Home Depot Aviation Supply Store and bought a #1 unibit,
which has a 1/4" shank. It was easier to use in my smaller Sioux drill (it
fits in a bay).
For the areas that have been skinned, I started a pilot hole in the wing root rib
using the same template with a #30. I marked the next rib with the template
and then pulled out the 12 inch long #30 I got from Avery. Once the second rib
is drilled, the two holes acted as a guide for the rest. You do need to pull
the inspection port a little further in, but you get the picture.
Next, I went to the Ace Hardware Aviation Supply Store and bought a metal cutting
12 inch long 3/8" drill bit. After using the unibit on the wing root pilot
hole, I switched over to the long 3/8" bit and it went like a dream. Used my hand
held cordless set to a high speed because the shank is 3/8".
If you have already skinned everything in, the outer bays could still be done with
the shank extensions you talked about. Using the smaller #1 unibit, you could
assemble it in place between each rib. Drill the hole, disassemble, and repeat.
Hope this helps.
John
poneill(at)irealms.com wrote:
> I'm planning to enlarge the wiring run holes in the QB wings in the next
> week or two and I am trying to locate a source for a drill bit extension
> that will accommodate the unibit's 3/8" shank. I can find many 1/4" and
> 7/16" shank extensions, but so far I have found none for a bit with 3/8"
> shank.
>
> The ones I have been looking at are the 12" or 18" extensions (planned on
> using several as required) with Allen head screws to secure the bit in the
> extension. I don't believe an extension for a 7/16" shank would work
> because of the difficulties centering the bit. The last thing I want is a
> crazed unibit wreaking havoc inside the wings.
>
> I know some homegrown solutions were discussed here not long ago, but does
> anyone have a good recommendation or online source for such extensions?
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick #40715
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane |
Patrick,
I am not installing Van's stall warning system. Instead, I am installing two AOA
systems. What can I say, I'm a Navy Carrier guy.
The first one is the Dynon heated pitot/AoA tube in place of Van's pitot. This
connects to a Dynon EFIS, which will give a visual indication on the screen and
will also give an audible alarm at stall.
The second one is the AOA from InAir. They call it the "Lift Reserve Indicator"
or LRI. I'm putting it in the right wing. It's purely mechanical and uses a round
gauge. I plan on mounting that one where the Navy puts theirs - the upper
left corner of the windscreen.
Both systems work on the same principle - one tube of air is more affected than
the other due to a change in angle of attack. I've seen other systems that use
a small vane on the wingtip that is electric. Any of them should work.
The real advantage of AOA is that it can tell you, stall, approach, L over D max
(best lift over drag), best climb, best glide, etc. As the builder you will
have to calibrate and calculate that stuff yourself.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Drillbit extensions |
Patrick,
I used an extension I got from Avery tools and but a metric Unibit in. I drilled
the holes to the perfect size so that the Vans conduits fitted nicely once you
got it in.
http://www.averytools.com/p-533-6-12-step-drill-extensions.aspx
check out my website
www.wellenzohn.net
Michael
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall & bottom skin Pro-Seal |
Hi Gary,
I just asked Vans this same question. Their response: "We used tank
sealant until we learned there was something better. Now we use the
high temp sealant."
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Oct 7, 2007, at 8:11 PM, orchidman wrote:
>
> On Page 28-13 Step 2: It is recommended to use a thin layer of Pro-
> Seal between the firewall flanges and the fuselage skins. Apply
> Pro-Seal to the lower flange of the F-1000A Firewall Bulkhead then
> cleco the Firewall Assembly to the F-1072 Fwd Fuse Bottom Skin as
> shown in Figure 1.
>
> With all the discussion in the past week about aluminum heat boxes
> in front of the firewall, as I read this step it got me to
> wondering, are they talking about the regular Pro-Seal or the high
> heat Firewall Sealant available from Vans? In the steps, it
> doesnt say or I dont see any implication as to why they are
> suggesting the sealant. Is it to hold the structure solid like the
> trailing edges of the wings, or is it to try to seal any engine
> fumes from making it into the cabin or ????
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> Fuselage SB
> (N410GB reserved)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
>
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Just back from LOE 2007.......13 RV10's made it to NM for the weekend.
Nice to see the family continuing to grow. Wayne Edgerton had his ther
e fresh from the paint shop and two others were there for their first fl
y-in. Gray Bridwell and I went out Saturday AM for some plane to plane
shots but it was a little bumpy for good photo shots. There are several
posts on VAF from the event worth viewing. Van even had two representa
tives at LOE this year!!!! It was a great weekend meeting more new RVer
s and enjoying RUDY's BBQ in El Paso.............DO NOT go to El Paso wi
thout a few visits to RUDY'S BBQ!
The best was the 50-60 MPH 201 degree tailwind on the return flight home
. The air-to-air chatter was busy with people reporting 220-260 MPH grou
nd speeds especially at 12-15K.
We left 5T6 at 8:10 GMT and landed at KGRI at 1:00 CST.....(including 75
mile weather diversion.....763 NM!!!
Burned 38.1 Gals. Definitely a trip we will long remember. Looking forwa
rd to next year.
Dean
805HL 110.4 hours RV10 4 Sale
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| Subject: | Re: instrument selection |
During my last cross country I had time to think with thoughts similar to David
McNeill. Owned an IFR certified 1977 Piper for 14 years and believed I was flying
safe. From an instrument capability it was a factory equipped aircraft, but
had very little instrumentation compared to my RV-10.
Now I enjoy a fuel management system, wind calculations, GPS navigation, TIS
traffic, Terrain, real time weather, and robust backup capability. On seperate
occasions two MD-11 pilots said my aircraft was better equipped than theirs.
We enjoy this new capability at an affordable price because the FAA carved out
space for an experimental movement. Very ballsey for a group of government folks.
All of us need to protect the "educational" nature of the FAA's intent,
and fly very, very safely. If we are not actively supporting both of these goals
then we are undermining ourselves and those that follow.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net> wrote:
On soapbox I even feel the Chelton is a good VFR unit if you're prone to scud
running because it not only calls out terrain, but obstructions as well,
so you'd be aware before you turned into a radio tower if you're flying around
at 800AGL in 1 mile vis clear of clouds. [emphasis mine, not Tim's]
Perhaps better than nothing for scud running, perhaps actually worse. There are
just too many towers uncharted and new ones going up all the time, even in
the flattish midwest. In the intermountain west, scud running is just insane.
Same for the East, I'd think.
IMO, the best use of terrain avoidance is to keep us WELL away from terrain
and obstacles, and that means IFR or on the ground when conditions tempt us to
scud run.
Been there, done that, (scud running) and have resolved never to do so again.
Ever. GOK what it would be like in a fast plane like the 10, even throttled
back.
Off soapbox
The point you consistently make about integration, Tim, is well taken, indeed.
Nonetheless, In the name of more complete redundancy and to achieve legality
for lowest GPS approaches, our plane will have two systems: (1) The Cheltons fed
by their own GPS plus an SL-30, and (2) an AFS 3500 + GI-106 fed by a 430.
The plan is that for single pilot operation, the pilot will use the Chelton as
primary. Traffic and terrain will normally be on the Cheltons; WX and engine
data on the 3500. The 3500 system would be available as backup in event of failure,
and as time and workload allow.
Two pilots are preferred for IFR, in which case the 3500/ 430 system belongs
to the FO. Two pilot operation may be possible because this is to be a family
airplane, but it remains to be seen how well we will be able to implement it.
In any event, this complex system will require discipline, training, and well
though out procedures, especially for IFR.
John Ackerman 40458 beginning finishing kit
On Oct 6, 2007, at 6:33 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
Just make sure you integrate the audio into the system's unswitched
input so that you actually get "Terrain - Terrain" callouts in your
headset. If you're operating IFR on a less-integrated system, it can
sometimes be a handful to monitor a multitude of systems and you
don't want to miss an important warning like Terrain. I even feel
the Chelton is a good VFR unit if you're prone to scud running because
it not only calls out terrain, but obstructions as well, so you'd
be aware before you turned into a radio tower if you're flying around
at 800AGL in 1 mile vis clear of clouds. (Not something I recommend, but perfectly
legal in class G airspace)
I agree with David....I read a multitude of flying magazines each month
and my favorite parts are some of the "aftermath" type articles ,but
since flying behind the Chelton I've started to wonder "why the heck
did the guy who can afford that King Air (or Bonanza, Malibu, etc...)
not put in a nice TAWS EFIS system...they'd be alive today if the did."
Yes, these systems are THAT much different that really believe that
the vast majority of CFIT accidents would never happen if the entire
IFR fleet was suddenly "upgraded" today.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/6/2007 12:51:17 AM Central Daylight Time, dlm46007@cox.net
writes:
Arent we glad that there are experimental EFISs out there that have
TAWS or terrain warnings (Chelton, GRT, etc)? Last night a medical
flight hit a ridge below the MSA in the vicinity of Alamosa CO. One could
also use a portable device such as a Garmin 496 or 396 or the Aspen as situational
awareness equipment for terrain besides the Chelton, GRT, Garmin etc...
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In a message dated 10/8/2007 1:06:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
billderou@yahoo.com writes:
We enjoy this new capability at an affordable price because the FAA carved
out space for an experimental movement. Very ballsey for a group of government
folks.
Bill, I'm glad you feel this way but the FAA did not carve out
experimental...it was faught for by what became the EAA and its members etc over
the
objections of many in the FAA as we know it today...the FAA did not exist as we
know
it today when experimental became a reality...so please reserve you credit to
the people that made this happen and not to those whom objected to your
rights...
P
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In preparing for an upcoming Iraq deployment I am trying to make my panel decisions
so it can be built while I am gone and ready to be installed by the time
I get home. I was really leaning towards OP tech, especially after having a conversation
with Deems. Now with the sale to Aerosonic I have some concerns about
future experimental support.
I am looking at a solid IFR system with:
Dual screen EFIS
Tru Track Sorcerer/RV10 AP
WAAS capable GPS capable of GPSS and approach
Dual Nav
Dual Com
Traffic and weather capable
Terrain
One of the coms and the standby instruments I intend on tying to an essential buss
tied to the battery.
BMA has promise except they have a fairly basic autopilot and I have heard that
it doesn't integrate well with other autopilots. however this is not confirmed
so don't take my word.
I have been looking at Aspen avionics as well, anyone have any experience with
them or any information not provided on their website.
I am all ears and looking for individual experiences about your panels and why
you chose your systems so that I can make my own informed decision...without starting
a newer version of primer wars!
Also...anyone know of a place to get locks for the baggage door and fuse doors
(3 locks instead of the 2 offered by Vans and Aircraft Spruce) that are also keyed
to the starter switch?
Eric Kallio
40518
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall & bottom skin Pro-Seal |
Thanks for the comments. I suspected it was to seal the cabin from gases and that
the normal pro-seal would work. I hate opening a full High Temp Pro-Seal
just for this.
Tomorrow evening is our EAA local chapter meeting and I am going to ask this of
the 2 tech councilors that normally attend. I need to confirm something one
of them said some time ago about RED RTV. I am going to ask about using the
RED RTV as the sealant in this case. It is cheaper, no mixing and no waist. :D
Any one see a problem with this in this specific use?
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Panel choices |
Eric,
You pretty much described my panel, dual AFS-3500, MX-20, GTX330, SL-30, GNS-480,
RV-10 AP, PMA 8000, MC 2.25 CDI, Backup AS & ALT, GDL-69A. Accuracy built mine,
I am very happy with them. I get no perks for recommending them. They did
what they said they would do for the costthey quoted me and delivered it when
they said.
FWIW, I was on the fence with OP tech also, from all the correspondence they seem
to still planning on supporting the Experimental market.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 1:38:54 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Panel choices
In preparing for an upcoming Iraq deployment I am trying to make my panel decisions
so it can be built while I am gone and ready to be installed by the time
I get home. I was really leaning towards OP tech, especially after having a conversation
with Deems. Now with the sale to Aerosonic I have some concerns about
future experimental support.
I am looking at a solid IFR system with:
Dual screen EFIS
Tru Track Sorcerer/RV10 AP
WAAS capable GPS capable of GPSS and approach
Dual Nav
Dual Com
Traffic and weather capable
Terrain
One of the coms and the standby instruments I intend on tying to an essential buss
tied to the battery.
BMA has promise except they have a fairly basic autopilot and I have heard that
it doesn't integrate well with other autopilots. however this is not confirmed
so don't take my word.
I have been looking at Aspen avionics as well, anyone have any experience with
them or any information not provided on their website.
I am all ears and looking for individual experiences about your panels and why
you chose your systems so that I can make my own informed decision...without starting
a newer version of primer wars!
Also...anyone know of a place to get locks for the baggage door and fuse doors
(3 locks instead of the 2 offered by Vans and Aircraft Spruce) that are also keyed
to the starter switch?
Eric Kallio
40518
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Rick got any pictures?
Ben
40579
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel choices
Eric,
You pretty much described my panel, dual AFS-3500, MX-20, GTX330, SL-30,
GNS-480, RV-10 AP, PMA 8000, MC 2.25 CDI, Backup AS & ALT, GDL-69A. Accuracy
built mine, I am very happy with them. I get no perks for recommending them.
They did what they said they would do for the costthey quoted me and
delivered it when they said.
FWIW, I was on the fence with OP tech also, from all the correspondence they
seem to still planning on supporting the Experimental market.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 1:38:54 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Panel choices
In preparing for an upcoming Iraq deployment I am trying to make my panel
decisions so it can be built while I am gone and ready to be installed by
the time I get home. I was really leaning towards OP tech, especially after
having a conversation with Deems. Now with the sale to Aerosonic I have some
concerns about future experimental support.
I am looking at a solid IFR system with:
Dual screen EFIS
Tru Track Sorcerer/RV10 AP
WAAS capable GPS capable of GPSS and approach
Dual Nav
Dual Com
Traffic and weather capable
Terrain
One of the coms and the standby instruments I intend on tying to an
essential buss tied to the battery.
BMA has promise except they have a fairly basic autopilot and I have heard
that it doesn't integrate well with other autopilots. however this is not
confirmed so don't take my word.
I have been looking at Aspen avionics as well, anyone have any experience
with them or any information not provided on their website.
I am all ears and looking for individual experiences about your panels and
why you chose your systems so that I can make my own informed
decision...without starting a newer version of primer wars!
Also...anyone know of a place to get locks for the baggage door and fuse
doors (3 locks instead of the 2 offered by Vans and Aircraft Spruce) that
are also keyed to the starter switch?
Eric Kallio
40518
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| Subject: | Re: Panel choices |
See below, but it sounds like you want Cheltons. They do everything you men
tioned. If you haven't flown behind them yet. Find someone that has them
and get a ride. =0AWhere are you located? The only thing I would add would
be some small backup gauges. airspeed, altimeter, and trutrack AH/turn co
ordinator. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A=0A----- Origin
al Message ----=0AFrom: Eric_Kallio <scout019@msn.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Monday, October 8, 2007 2:38:54 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List:
@msn.com>=0A=0AIn preparing for an upcoming Iraq deployment I am trying to
make my panel decisions so it can be built while I am gone and ready to be
installed by the time I get home. I was really leaning towards OP tech, esp
ecially after having a conversation with Deems. Now with the sale to Aeroso
nic I have some concerns about future experimental support. =0A=0AI am look
ing at a solid IFR system with:=0ADual screen EFIS - Cheltons=0ATru Tra
ck Sorcerer/RV10 AP - Works perfect with it. =0AWAAS capable GPS capabl
e of GPSS and approach - Chelton can do this. =0ADual Nav - Buy the WAAS 43
0 and SL-30. Links with Chelton and the autopilot=0ADual Com=0ATraffic and
weather capable - 330 transponder and the Chelton's have weather, or just
add a 496. =0ATerrain =0A=0AOne of the coms and the standby instruments I
intend on tying to an essential buss tied to the battery.=0A=0ABMA has prom
ise except they have a fairly basic autopilot and I have heard that it does
n't integrate well with other autopilots. however this is not confirmed so
don't take my word.=0A=0AI have been looking at Aspen avionics as well, any
one have any experience with them or any information not provided on their
website.=0A=0AI am all ears and looking for individual experiences about yo
ur panels and why you chose your systems so that I can make my own informed
decision...without starting a newer version of primer wars!=0A=0AAlso...an
yone know of a place to get locks for the baggage door and fuse doors (3 lo
cks instead of the 2 offered by Vans and Aircraft Spruce) that are also key
ed to the starter switch? =0A=0AEric Kallio=0A40518=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead thi
s topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138
==========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 in the air |
Hi All,
Very pleased to report RV-10 C-FMHP flew it's first flight this afternoon.
Couple snags including a light turn to the left at cruise and a transponder not
reporting altitude
but overall seems to be a great airplane.
Keep smashing those rivets, it's well worth it!
Perry Casson
RV-10 C-FMHP - TTSN 42 min.
Regina, Canada
http://casson.2y.net/rv-10
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 in the air |
Perry,
Congratulations!!! I know you are elated over your accomplishment.
On the left turn, before you get too excited about tweaking anything, if
it's very light it could be that it's you causing it and not the airplane if
you have equal fuel in both tanks. If I'm not using the autopilot I am very
sensitive to which tank I burn out of for roll trim and I start with the
left side if solo. Just a consideration of course it could be something
else.
On the transponder, if you have a Garmin 327 I had some issues as well and
was told by the folks at Stein where I bought it the pin in the back that
transfers the altitude data to the XPDR is finicky to say the least. Others
haven't had an issue but getting the pins seated properly might help.
Best of luck with the test hours,
Marcus
40286 - 200 hrs and the bird is finally getting painted.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry Casson -
Home
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 in the air
Hi All,
Very pleased to report RV-10 C-FMHP flew it's first flight this afternoon.
Couple snags including a light turn to the left at cruise and a transponder
not reporting altitude but overall seems to be a great airplane.
Keep smashing those rivets, it's well worth it!
Perry Casson
RV-10 C-FMHP - TTSN 42 min.
Regina, Canada
http://casson.2y.net/rv-10
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 in the air |
Congrats..where are the pictures? I want to see the smile.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry Casson -
Home
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 in the air
Hi All,
Very pleased to report RV-10 C-FMHP flew it's first flight this afternoon.
Couple snags including a light turn to the left at cruise and a transponder
not reporting altitude but overall seems to be a great airplane.
Keep smashing those rivets, it's well worth it!
Perry Casson
RV-10 C-FMHP - TTSN 42 min.
Regina, Canada
http://casson.2y.net/rv-10
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| Subject: | Re: Panel choices |
Heres one prior to install, installed ones were too blurry, need a better camera,
can't afford one now ;)
Rick S.
40185
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From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 3:18:08 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel choices
Rick got any pictures?
Ben
40579
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel choices
Eric,
You pretty much described my panel, dual AFS-3500, MX-20, GTX330, SL-30,
GNS-480, RV-10 AP, PMA 8000, MC 2.25 CDI, Backup AS & ALT, GDL-69A. Accuracy
built mine, I am very happy with them. I get no perks for recommending them.
They did what they said they would do for the costthey quoted me and
delivered it when they said.
FWIW, I was on the fence with OP tech also, from all the correspondence they
seem to still planning on supporting the Experimental market.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 1:38:54 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Panel choices
In preparing for an upcoming Iraq deployment I am trying to make my panel
decisions so it can be built while I am gone and ready to be installed by
the time I get home. I was really leaning towards OP tech, especially after
having a conversation with Deems. Now with the sale to Aerosonic I have some
concerns about future experimental support.
I am looking at a solid IFR system with:
Dual screen EFIS
Tru Track Sorcerer/RV10 AP
WAAS capable GPS capable of GPSS and approach
Dual Nav
Dual Com
Traffic and weather capable
Terrain
One of the coms and the standby instruments I intend on tying to an
essential buss tied to the battery.
BMA has promise except they have a fairly basic autopilot and I have heard
that it doesn't integrate well with other autopilots. however this is not
confirmed so don't take my word.
I have been looking at Aspen avionics as well, anyone have any experience
with them or any information not provided on their website.
I am all ears and looking for individual experiences about your panels and
why you chose your systems so that I can make my own informed
decision...without starting a newer version of primer wars!
Also...anyone know of a place to get locks for the baggage door and fuse
doors (3 locks instead of the 2 offered by Vans and Aircraft Spruce) that
are also keyed to the starter switch?
Eric Kallio
40518
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| Subject: | Angle of Attach Indicator |
I would like comments from current users of any AOA system.
The Dynon has a indicator on the screen.
The AOA Pro has a large LCD indicator on the panel.
The AOA Sport has a LED indicator on the panel.
The LRI has a needle indicator on the Gauge.
I have used the LRI and find the needle difficult to see in the last 20' before
touchdown ( altitude, drift, gusts and center line come first). It works as
advertised in flight, but I, for one, am focused outside during landing and never
on the LRI. My old Stall vane with the red light works with peripheral vision.
Do the other Brands work with your peripheral vision and allow an awarness of the
indicated AOA during flare? Where did you locate the indicator?
Thanks for any input.
--------
whd721
RV9A
Beaverton, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Attack Indicator |
I placed my AOA Sport LED indicator on top of the glareshield. It is in my
field of view while I'm on final. This is a similar setup to the T-38, which I
found worked very well.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 10/8/2007 8:07:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
whd721@msn.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "whd721" <whd721@msn.com>
I would like comments from current users of any AOA system.
The Dynon has a indicator on the screen.
The AOA Pro has a large LCD indicator on the panel.
The AOA Sport has a LED indicator on the panel.
The LRI has a needle indicator on the Gauge.
I have used the LRI and find the needle difficult to see in the last 20'
before touchdown ( altitude, drift, gusts and center line come first). It works
as advertised in flight, but I, for one, am focused outside during landing
and never on the LRI. My old Stall vane with the red light works with
peripheral vision.
Do the other Brands work with your peripheral vision and allow an awarness
of the indicated AOA during flare? Where did you locate the indicator?
Thanks for any input.
--------
whd721
RV9A
Beaverton, OR
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
_http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew)
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| Subject: | Horizon 1 to SL wiring |
For those with GRTs and SL-30 installed, I discovered this during my
final wiring check:
Reference "EFIS Horizon Cable Description (Triple Display Unit EFIS
Single AHRS)" Display Unit 1 - Connector A Description
Pin 2 definition states "Serial Out 1 - Spare - Also connects to
expansion port for ARINC 429 or internal GPS (Available if expansion
port NOT used)"
Pin 20 definition for Serial In 1 is the same.
I have the ARINC 429 Module connected. The pins 2 and 20 definitions
above imply that Serial In/Out 1 are therefore NOT available to me -
they are used to interface to the ARINC Module.
WD-1001-05 specifies the wiring interconnect to the SL30 and indicates
that Pins 2 and 20 connect to the SL-30 WITH the ARINC module installed.
Can't imagine that Serial port 1 drives BOTH the ARINC Module and SL30.
Where is the error, or what am I missing?
Cheers,
Ron
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 in the air |
CONGRATULATIONS! I would also like to see pictures, as would most of the
other people on the list I'm sure. Enjoy it.
On the slight turn at cruise, does it happen when you raise your flaps from
climb setting to cruise setting? I have seen that before and it could
either be cause by a very slight twist in the flaps or one being a little
higher than the other. The best way to see that you don't have a twist in
the flaps is to raise them all the way up and compare the spar rivet line
with the top skin on the wing. It is a very easy way to see how straight
your flaps are (ask me how I know).
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: Perry Casson - Home [mailto:pcasson@sasktel.net]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 in the air
Hi All,
Very pleased to report RV-10 C-FMHP flew it's first flight this afternoon.
Couple snags including a light turn to the left at cruise and a transponder
not reporting altitude but overall seems to be a great airplane.
Keep smashing those rivets, it's well worth it!
Perry Casson
RV-10 C-FMHP - TTSN 42 min.
Regina, Canada
http://casson.2y.net/rv-10
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 in the air |
>CONGRATULATIONS! I would also like to see pictures, as would most of the other
people on the list
I'm sure. Enjoy it.
[Perry Casson]
Didn't want to waste bandwidth attaching a photo, the following link takes you
to a little web site
that has about 150 of them
http://casson.2y.net/rv-10
>Congrats..where are the pictures? I want to see the smile.
Sorry no rv grin shot, the ground crew got bored waiting for me to land and went
flying themselves
it was such a perfect fall day.
Perry
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| Subject: | Flap Angler was Another RV-10 in the air |
Perry tell us about the flap angle sticker. How did you make it?
see it here:
<http://casson.2y.net/yappa-ng/index.php?album=%2FRV-10%2F&image=Pictures_028.jpg>
Larry Rosen
RV10 #356
Perry Casson - Home wrote:
>
> >CONGRATULATIONS! I would also like to see pictures, as would most of
> the other people on the list Im sure. Enjoy it.
>
> */ /*
>
> */[Perry Casson]/*
>
> */Didnt want to waste bandwidth attaching a photo, the following link
> takes you to a little web site that has about 150 of them /*
>
> */http://casson.2y.net/rv-10/*
>
> */ /*
>
> */>/*Congratswhere are the pictures? I want to see the smile
>
> */ /*
>
> */Sorry no rv grin shot, the ground crew got bored waiting for me to
> land and went flying themselves it was such a perfect fall day./*
>
> */ /*
>
> */Perry/*
>
> */ /*
>
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| Subject: | Flap Angler was Another RV-10 in the air |
Perry tell us about the flap angle sticker. How did you make it?
see it here:
<http://casson.2y.net/yappa-ng/index.php?album=%2FRV-10%2F&image=Pictures_028.jpg>
Larry Rosen
RV10 #356
[Perry Casson]
I can take no credit for it, a buddy of mine and I had discussed some kind of marks
on the flaps to
see the angle and he took it from there. He got a protractor out took some measurements
and took it
to a local stripe shop to cut stickers. I'll probably hook up a Mac position sensor
to a Dynon D120
input so I'll have something that will be readable at night but for day use this
is a great
solution.
Perry
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| Subject: | Flap Positioning System Problems |
I hooked up my FPS today and did the final rigging of the flaps.....but,
when I lower the flaps, once I take my finger off the momentary down switch,
the flaps run slowly for about 2/3 seconds and then the breaker trips. If I
keep my finger on the switch the flaps run faster and the breaker does not
trip. The breaker does not trip when I bring the flaps up.
Anybody have any ideas?
Rene'
40322
N423CF
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Positioning System Problems |
Rene,
Sounds like your wired wrong. I know, no sh*t. The FPS is gounded with the flap
motor gets constant power from the buss then switched power from the switch to
either up, which will continue to raise until the limit is reached and the motor
will stop or down, where the motor will stop at the three predetermined points.
Double check to make sure your not feeding constant power into the up or
down leads. Isolate each power lead and check for a short to ground, make sure
your getting infinity readings on your grounds and not grounding back through
the system somewhere which might show up as a high resistance vs. a good ground.
Other than that remove the FPS altogther does the flap work OK through the
full range? If so it's working OK. Verify the schematic is the correct one,
If I recall and don't hold me to it I believe you use the RV-8 wiring diagram
from FPS to correctly hook up the module for the RV-10.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 9:08:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Flap Positioning System Problems
I hooked up my FPS today and did the final rigging of the flaps.....but,
when I lower the flaps, once I take my finger off the momentary down switch,
the flaps run slowly for about 2/3 seconds and then the breaker trips. If I
keep my finger on the switch the flaps run faster and the breaker does not
trip. The breaker does not trip when I bring the flaps up.
Anybody have any ideas?
Rene'
40322
N423CF
801-721-6080
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