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1. 03:38 AM - Re: Riveting Question (Bob Leffler)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Dan's H6Turbo numbers (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Dan's H6Turbo numbers (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Aileron deflection (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
6. 06:21 AM - Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? (Tim Olson)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: Dan's H6Turbo numbers (Bobby J. Hughes)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? (Jesse Saint)
9. 07:43 AM - Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? (Tim Olson)
10. 08:08 AM - Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? (Scott Schmidt)
11. 08:47 AM - Re: Aircraft Paint scheme (Vernon Smith)
12. 09:48 AM - Re: Riveting Question (johngoodman)
13. 09:52 AM - Aircraft Designator Code (Roger Standley)
14. 10:27 AM - Re: Aircraft Paint scheme (John Gonzalez)
15. 10:28 AM - Re: Aircraft Designator Code (Tim Olson)
16. 10:46 AM - Re: Aircraft Designator Code (Bob Newman)
17. 11:01 AM - Re: Aircraft Paint scheme (Fred Williams, M.D.)
18. 11:53 AM - wheel pants (David McNeill)
19. 12:21 PM - Re: wheel pants (Deems Davis)
20. 12:24 PM - Re: Remaining questions for routing stuff under the floors (MauleDriver)
21. 12:25 PM - Re: wheel pants (Rene Felker)
22. 12:36 PM - Re: wheel pants (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
23. 01:00 PM - Antenna Selection & Location (Robin Marks)
24. 01:20 PM - Re: Antenna Selection & Location (Rene Felker)
25. 01:21 PM - Re: Antenna Selection & Location (orchidman)
26. 01:25 PM - Re: Aileron deflection (John Dunne)
27. 02:21 PM - Re: Antenna Selection & Location (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
28. 04:14 PM - Re: Aircraft Designator Code (Marcus Cooper)
29. 04:15 PM - Re: Antenna Selection & Location (RobHickman@aol.com)
30. 05:40 PM - Re: Antenna Selection & Location (Jesse Saint)
31. 05:43 PM - Re: Antenna Selection & Location (MauleDriver)
32. 05:44 PM - Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane (RobHickman@aol.com)
33. 05:50 PM - Re: Antenna Selection & Location (RobHickman@aol.com)
34. 06:32 PM - Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
35. 07:27 PM - Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? (Jesse Saint)
36. 10:03 PM - Re: Aircraft Designator Code (Werner Schneider)
37. 10:03 PM - test patch - plexiglas glued to cabin top (eagerlee)
38. 10:11 PM - First Flight N921AC (Dave Saylor)
39. 11:17 PM - spinner /cowl drop (Chris and Susie McGough)
40. 11:36 PM - Re: spinner /cowl drop (Chris and Susie McGough)
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| Subject: | Riveting Question |
Thanks for your comments.
I was starting to come to the same conclusion, since there are a couple of
these already on the bottom.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting Question
pop rivet with the MK-319-BS - it will be fine structurally.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Leffler <mailto:rvmail@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Riveting Question
On page 9-14, when attaching the skins to the E-903 counter balance, I'm
having problems figuring out (my complete lack of creativity) how to set the
last rivet towards the trailing edge. The rivet on the top skin is set
first, but there isn't ample room to get my no hole in between to the two
rivets (top and bottom) to squeeze and clearly any bucking bar is too big.
I'm sure there must be an obvious solution, I'm just not seeing it at the
moment.
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Chelton Cable Lengths? |
The answer to this is it would depend, based on where you choose to
install them, my GADHRS is only a couple of feet from the displays and
Tim's are behind his baggage bulkhead.
I think Stein would be better to ask on this as he probably has a
default trim to length he makes for his harness
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
Tim and any others who have installed Cheltons, can you tell me the
wiring lengths from the PFD to GADAHRS, OAT Probe, MSU, etc.?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Dan's H6Turbo numbers |
Mine is the one Jan is using to do the testing. I have not gotten to fly
it since the turbo and intercooler have been installed because it was
completed last weekend, but I have commercial tickets in hand to be
there on Friday, then I can report from an end user experience.
My RV10 is still the only customer built flying with an alternative
engine, but I know there are several getting close with Rotary's and
V-8's
Dan
N289DT RV10E flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie McGough
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
Ok hows yours going Dan? speed that is. Sounds a great plane indeed!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R. <mailto:LloydDR@wernerco.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
Just so everyone knows Jan Eggenfellner post turbo testing
results on his news page and this is what Bobby is referring to.
Dan
N289DT RV10E
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:31 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
without gear leg fairings or intersection fairings and we all
know it is not painted....
Dan
N289DT RV10E flying higher and faster now that the turbo is
installed
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Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:06 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
Dan,
Those are some impressive numbers from your H6 turbo testing.
Good fuel burn and speed at altitude.
Bobby
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| Subject: | Dan's H6Turbo numbers |
To the best of my knowledge he got the numbers from your performance
page, there is a link at the bottom of the chart but there are only two
listed on there so it is not a complete comparison in my opinion. That
is why I was so long in saying anything because I want to get it done
and then come up to your neck of the woods so we can get unbiased
numbers from both of our planes together.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
Dan,
Do you know if the IO-540 numbers they're posting are without fairings
as well? They should really be 10-15 Ktas faster at 14K if they're
with fairings, and that would be a cruise performance number, not a
top speed.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> without gear leg fairings or intersection fairings and we all know it
is
> not painted....
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E flying higher and faster now that the turbo is installed
>
>
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bobby J.
Hughes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:06 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
>
> Dan,
>
> Those are some impressive numbers from your H6 turbo testing. Good
fuel
> burn and speed at altitude.
>
> Bobby
> 40116
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| Subject: | Aileron deflection |
There is also a table of min/max travels in the first few chapters of
the construction manual, you know the ones that also tell you how to do
your weight and balance, and test flights? I do not remember the chapter
number, but the FAA inspector wanted to see this table and then measure
travel on the control surfaces to make sure they met but did not exceed
the recommended values.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron deflection
John,
This is from memory... Seems about 3" up, 1.5" down.
Anh
N591VU-flying
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dunne <mailto:acs@acspropeller.com.au>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Aileron deflection
Can someone please tell me ( I need approximate only) what is
the measurement between the wingtip trailing edge and the aileron
trailing edge when it is fully deflected upwards after complete assembly
of control linkages? Is it 1", 2" or so?
Thanks
John 40315
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? |
Read with a humorous intent, but Jesse, you should know better than
that! Like Dan said...it all just depends on where you mount
Everything. You can mount the GADAHRS behind the panel or in the
tail, you can mount the MSU (magnetometer) in the wing or in the
tail or any other magnetically ideal spot. The OAT can go where
you want it (I prefer near a wing access panel at least 3 or 4' outboard
from the root. So, you need to determine where you want the components.
The good news is, it's just shielded pairs and triplets so there's
nothing too fancy about the wiring. I don't think there is any
"standard" harness to be had.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> The answer to this is it would depend, based on where you choose to
> install them, my GADHRS is only a couple of feet from the displays and
> Tim's are behind his baggage bulkhead.
> I think Stein would be better to ask on this as he probably has a
> default trim to length he makes for his harness
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E Flying
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:44 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
>
> Tim and any others who have installed Cheltons, can you tell me the
> wiring lengths from the PFD to GADAHRS, OAT Probe, MSU, etc.?
>
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| Subject: | Dan's H6Turbo numbers |
Dan,
Here is a quick comparison with BSFC data points and reported fuel burn.
IO540
260hp - 109.2 hp loss at 14K = 150.8 possible HP.
Fuel burn 10 gph or 60 pounds / .43 BSFC = 139.5 hp. Lean cruise
estimate.
H6Turbo
Max HP? Does not matter since you are running 30in at altitude.
Fuel burn 12 gph or 72 pounds / .43 BSFC = 167hp
or
72# / .5 BSFC = 144 hp
or
72#/ .6 BSFC = 120 hp.
Great numbers regardless of your actual BSFC. You can always pull the
throttle back or dial down the prop :)
Bobby
40116
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
--> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
To the best of my knowledge he got the numbers from your performance
page, there is a link at the bottom of the chart but there are only two
listed on there so it is not a complete comparison in my opinion. That
is why I was so long in saying anything because I want to get it done
and then come up to your neck of the woods so we can get unbiased
numbers from both of our planes together.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
Dan,
Do you know if the IO-540 numbers they're posting are without fairings
as well? They should really be 10-15 Ktas faster at 14K if they're with
fairings, and that would be a cruise performance number, not a top
speed.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> without gear leg fairings or intersection fairings and we all know it
is
> not painted....
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E flying higher and faster now that the turbo is installed
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bobby J.
Hughes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:06 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Dan's H6Turbo numbers
>
> Dan,
>
> Those are some impressive numbers from your H6 turbo testing. Good
fuel
> burn and speed at altitude.
>
> Bobby
> 40116
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| Subject: | Chelton Cable Lengths? |
Read with a humorous intent, but Tim, you should know better than that! I
didn't mean what is the standard because I know there is no standard, but
for those who have done it, where did you mount your stuff and how long were
the wires you used? If I can get some ideas of where things were installed,
then I could measure for wiring runs, but if you also know your lengths,
that would help too.
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
Read with a humorous intent, but Jesse, you should know better than
that! Like Dan said...it all just depends on where you mount
Everything. You can mount the GADAHRS behind the panel or in the
tail, you can mount the MSU (magnetometer) in the wing or in the
tail or any other magnetically ideal spot. The OAT can go where
you want it (I prefer near a wing access panel at least 3 or 4' outboard
from the root. So, you need to determine where you want the components.
The good news is, it's just shielded pairs and triplets so there's
nothing too fancy about the wiring. I don't think there is any
"standard" harness to be had.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> The answer to this is it would depend, based on where you choose to
> install them, my GADHRS is only a couple of feet from the displays and
> Tim's are behind his baggage bulkhead.
> I think Stein would be better to ask on this as he probably has a
> default trim to length he makes for his harness
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E Flying
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:44 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
>
> Tim and any others who have installed Cheltons, can you tell me the
> wiring lengths from the PFD to GADAHRS, OAT Probe, MSU, etc.?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? |
I don't have any specific wire lengths because I pretty much
just pulled a piece of string-trimmer line from a grass trimmer,
cut to slightly excess length, and then pulled that out to use
as a length template. Then re-pulled the bundle, with the
string trimmer length to use as a future puller. So lengths
I don't have. But, what I do have is an install write-up.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20060531/index.html
I went with the tail installation because behind the panel
I just don't want to take up more room, and I think it's
got to be a pretty electrically noisy place already. So the
AHRS is behind the baggage wall on a shelf. The MSU I could
have put in the wing, which is great if you put it away from
the servos and stuff, but when I put mine in, I figured
it would be easier to wire the MSU to the GADAHRS if they
were somewhat close, and the further aft area of the tail
has worked well magnetically and electrically. It's pretty
cool how when you calibrate the AHRS you can see to extreme
detail the magnetics with all the various live data that
is provided on the diagnostics screen. (This is the
pinpoint, of course) so for me, the majority of wire was
panel to tail, and then OAT was wing to tail. I doubt
you'd find a problem with mounting the MSU in the wing.
The hardest part might be getting everything level...but the
calibration procedure actually allows you to calibrate out
mis-leveling fore and aft too.
Sorry I don't have specific lengths.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> Read with a humorous intent, but Tim, you should know better than that! I
> didn't mean what is the standard because I know there is no standard, but
> for those who have done it, where did you mount your stuff and how long were
> the wires you used? If I can get some ideas of where things were installed,
> then I could measure for wiring runs, but if you also know your lengths,
> that would help too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:21 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
>
>
> Read with a humorous intent, but Jesse, you should know better than
> that! Like Dan said...it all just depends on where you mount
> Everything. You can mount the GADAHRS behind the panel or in the
> tail, you can mount the MSU (magnetometer) in the wing or in the
> tail or any other magnetically ideal spot. The OAT can go where
> you want it (I prefer near a wing access panel at least 3 or 4' outboard
> from the root. So, you need to determine where you want the components.
> The good news is, it's just shielded pairs and triplets so there's
> nothing too fancy about the wiring. I don't think there is any
> "standard" harness to be had.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>> The answer to this is it would depend, based on where you choose to
>> install them, my GADHRS is only a couple of feet from the displays and
>> Tim's are behind his baggage bulkhead.
>> I think Stein would be better to ask on this as he probably has a
>> default trim to length he makes for his harness
>> Dan
>> N289DT RV10E Flying
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:44 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
>>
>> Tim and any others who have installed Cheltons, can you tell me the
>> wiring lengths from the PFD to GADAHRS, OAT Probe, MSU, etc.?
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton Cable Lengths? |
I have my AHRS mounted on rails directly behind the baggage bulkhead. My w
ires run up the right side of the aircraft behind the baggage compartment c
over. I have the Crossbow and therefore don't have to worry about the magna
tometer. My OAT is in the bottom left wing root cover. =0A=0AI just pulle
d a bunch of wire that was too long when I did it. I also pulled enough wi
re for the PinPoint upgrade but that didn't happen for me. =0A=0AAfter wat
ching this past weeks episode of "The Office", I'm starting to worry about
all this high end Chelton type technology. If Michael Scott won't trust it
, who can? (I realize only a few will understand that one, I've become a bi
g fan)=0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A=0A----- Original Me
ssage ----=0AFrom: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@ma
tronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:03:11 AM=0ASubject: RE: R
se Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>=0A=0ARead with a humorous intent, but T
im, you should know better than that! I=0Adidn't mean what is the standard
because I know there is no standard, but=0Afor those who have done it, whe
re did you mount your stuff and how long were=0Athe wires you used? If I c
an get some ideas of where things were installed,=0Athen I could measure fo
r wiring runs, but if you also know your lengths,=0Athat would help too.=0A
=0AThanks.=0A=0AJesse Saint=0ASaint Aviation, Inc.=0Ajesse@saintaviation.co
m=0Awww.saintaviation.com=0ACell: 352-427-0285=0AFax: 815-377-3694=0A-----O
riginal Message-----=0AFrom: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com] =0ASent: Wed
nesday, October 10, 2007 9:21 AM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: R
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0A=0ARead with a humorous intent, but Jesse, you
should know better than=0Athat! Like Dan said...it all just depends on wh
ere you mount=0AEverything. You can mount the GADAHRS behind the panel or
in the=0Atail, you can mount the MSU (magnetometer) in the wing or in the
=0Atail or any other magnetically ideal spot. The OAT can go where=0Ayou w
ant it (I prefer near a wing access panel at least 3 or 4' outboard=0Afrom
the root. So, you need to determine where you want the components.=0AThe g
ood news is, it's just shielded pairs and triplets so there's=0Anothing too
fancy about the wiring. I don't think there is any=0A"standard" harness t
o be had.=0A=0ATim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AL
loyd, Daniel R. wrote:=0A> The answer to this is it would depend, based on
where you choose to =0A> install them, my GADHRS is only a couple of feet f
rom the displays and =0A> Tim's are behind his baggage bulkhead.=0A> I thin
k Stein would be better to ask on this as he probably has a =0A> default tr
im to length he makes for his harness=0A> Dan=0A> N289DT RV10E Flying =0A>
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--=0A> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com =0A> [mailto:owner-rv10
-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint=0A> *Sent:* Tuesday,
October 09, 2007 5:44 PM=0A> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com=0A> *Subject:*
RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?=0A> =0A> Tim and any others who have inst
alled Cheltons, can you tell me the =0A> wiring lengths from the PFD to GAD
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| Subject: | Aircraft Paint scheme |
Very nice paint scheme. My guess is Paris, Texas.
Been using your door frame jig idea for fitting the cabin top and it is wor
king great.
Thanks for the tip,
Vern Smith (#324 fitting cabin top)
"Fiberglass is our friend, Fiberglass is our friend..."
do not archive
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:07:16 -0500> From: drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> To
: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft Paint scheme> > I w
anted to share with the list a way that I found to work on the paint > sche
me for your aircraft. Some of the services that I could find when I > googl
ed aircraft paint schemes were pretty expensive ($600). I went out > and fo
und a website that catered to freelance artists. There, I had > people subm
it bids to help me with my paint scheme. I found a young man > over in Paki
stan who did the artwork for less than 10% of that price. I > used the line
drawings from Tim's site and sent them for him to color. > Then had him do
some artwork on the tail design. Attached is the final > drawing. > > The
young man's name is Moshin Kahn and his email address is: > mohsinfk@yahoo.
com> > The web site to set up the account (paypal type secured funds > tran
sfer) Guru.com> > Fred Williams> 40515> guess where I live>
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting Question |
I see you already have an answer, but I gave up and used a blind rivet (pop).
John
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#40572 Empennage done, starting QB Wings
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Aircraft Designator Code |
=0ADoes anyone remember the RV-10 Aircraft Designator Code (for fli
ght plan form)?=0A
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| Subject: | Aircraft Paint scheme |
I like the lines and the color.
I guess one might guess that you live in Texas, but certainly not in Austin.
A cowboy hat on top of the Eiffel tower, humm?
That's not like freedom fries, is it??
JOhn
>From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>To: RV 10 <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft Paint scheme
>Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:07:16 -0500
>
>I wanted to share with the list a way that I found to work on the paint
>scheme for your aircraft. Some of the services that I could find when I
>googled aircraft paint schemes were pretty expensive ($600). I went out
>and found a website that catered to freelance artists. There, I had people
>submit bids to help me with my paint scheme. I found a young man over in
>Pakistan who did the artwork for less than 10% of that price. I used the
>line drawings from Tim's site and sent them for him to color. Then had him
>do some artwork on the tail design. Attached is the final drawing.
>
>The young man's name is Moshin Kahn and his email address is:
>mohsinfk@yahoo.com
>
>The web site to set up the account (paypal type secured funds transfer)
>Guru.com
>
>Fred Williams
>40515
>guess where I live
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Designator Code |
Yup..... RV10 ;)
In the olden days, like last year, we had to use HXB, which
is homebuilt experimental, with a B speed range. Now
we can use RV10.
Tim
Roger Standley wrote:
>
> Does anyone remember the RV-10 Aircraft Designator Code (for flight plan
> form)?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Designator Code |
I believe it will be either -hxa or -hxb where the a or b is the
catagory approach speed. I know my slow Glastar is -hxa
>>> taildragon@msn.com 10/10/2007 12:48 PM >>>
Does anyone remember the RV-10 Aircraft Designator Code (for flight
plan form)?
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Paint scheme |
We have a winner. Don't know what you won, but you won anyway. :-)
Dr Fred
Vernon Smith wrote:
> Very nice paint scheme. My guess is Paris, Texas.
> Been using your door frame jig idea for fitting the cabin top and it
> is working great.
> Thanks for the tip,
>
> Vern Smith (#324 fitting cabin top)
> "Fiberglass is our friend, Fiberglass is our friend..."
> do not archive
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:07:16 -0500
> > From: drfred@suddenlinkmail.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft Paint scheme
> >
> > I wanted to share with the list a way that I found to work on the paint
> > scheme for your aircraft. Some of the services that I could find when I
> > googled aircraft paint schemes were pretty expensive ($600). I went out
> > and found a website that catered to freelance artists. There, I had
> > people submit bids to help me with my paint scheme. I found a young man
> > over in Pakistan who did the artwork for less than 10% of that price. I
> > used the line drawings from Tim's site and sent them for him to color.
> > Then had him do some artwork on the tail design. Attached is the final
> > drawing.
> >
> > The young man's name is Moshin Kahn and his email address is:
> > mohsinfk@yahoo.com
> >
> > The web site to set up the account (paypal type secured funds
> > transfer) Guru.com
> >
> > Fred Williams
> > 40515
> > guess where I live
> >
>
>
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Is there an advantage to having the aircraft on jacks to install/mount
the wheel pants? It appears that Van's recommends that approach.
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My reasoning on this is that the weight of the plane sitting on the gear
could/will change the geometry of the wheels (i.e it would move them
outward and potentially induce a twist). Since the installation is aimed
at installing the pants parallel to to the line of thrust. that's a
potential issue. with all of that said after installing the pants and
following the plans as closely as possible, I'm of the opinion that
getting the pants aligned is NOT as precise an activity as you would
hope it to be. The reference marks that the plans have you use are
somewhat arbitrary. And the quality and dimensions of the fiberglass
parts vary. I believe it was Bob Condrey that said 'getting the
pants/fairings aligned is more a crap shoot than a test of skills'.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
David McNeill wrote:
> Is there an advantage to having the aircraft on jacks to install/mount
> the wheel pants? It appears that Van's recommends that approach.
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Remaining questions for routing stuff under the floors |
Thanks Larry... Perfect! That helps a lot.
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> How about:
> Pitch trim for autopilot. TT uses (1) 20AWG power, (1) 20AWG ground,
> (6) 22AWG control. (use Stein's pre-twisted bundle
> <http://www.steinair.com/wire.htm>
>
> Run an RG-400 for a gps or some other antenna that you may want to add
> to the rear of the canopy
>
> Run the static line along with the wire.
>
> Consider pulling some spare twisted pairs. I added a 3 and a 4
> conductor. Who knows what I will use them for.
>
> Consider 1 larger wire for the battery feed to a fuse block forward.
>
> Will there be rudder trim in the future? (there's another 7 wires)
>
> For the Chelton MSU (I will mount the GHARDS up front) you need (1) 3
> conductor 22AWG shielded, (2) 22AWG power, (4) 22AWG ground
>
> Strobe ground or ground local.
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
>
>
> MauleDriver wrote:
>>
>> At this point I think I have most of the electrical wiring in place:
>> - (2) Main power lines 2AWG and 8AWG for dual R14 dual batt/dual alt
>> scheme
>> - (3) solenoid control lines for main power and crossfeed solenoids
>> - (2) shielded lines for left and right wing strobes
>> - (1) power line for strobe power supply
>> - (1) power for tail light
>> - (1) 7 multi conductor bundle for elevator trim
>> Yet to go are:
>> - (1) antenna coax for 1 comm anttenna (the other will go in wing tip
>> or upper fuse
>> - (2) Van's conduit for future revisions
>> - (1) for activation of projected new generation ELT (??)
>>
>> Remaining questions are:
>> - What do I run for AHRS for projected dual Chelton panel
>> - Battery Bus - I'm thinking 3 lines for things like clock(?), dome
>> light and (??)
>> - Where does the static line run - can't find in plans or in archives
>> but I'm sure I've seen it before. Does it go thru center or along
>> one of the sides?
>>
>> I'm assuming:
>> - That GPS and transponder anttennas will be forward of seats and/or
>> in cabin top
>> - Nav and Marker antennas will be in tips
>> - Nothing else can be run down the accessible center channel to avoid
>> interference with control system
>>
>> All comments welcome.
>>
>> Bill "filling up the fuselage bottom with systems" Watson
>> Durham NC #40605
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Yes, the gear legs flex when the airplane is on the ground. You want them
in the in-flight position.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: wheel pants
Is there an advantage to having the aircraft on jacks to install/mount the
wheel pants? It appears that Van's recommends that approach.
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Yes, you have to align them to airflow, and the wheel angel will change
while they are on the ground. Follow the directions or you will have 5
rudders fighting for control of the yaw axis (Two wheelpants, two
gearleg fairings and a rudder)
Dan
N289DT RV10E
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: wheel pants
Is there an advantage to having the aircraft on jacks to install/mount
the wheel pants? It appears that Van's recommends that approach.
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection & Location |
Dear 10-List,
It's time to select my antennas and place them on the plane. Here is my minimum
list of antenna:
Recap ~$Location
CI-122 Comm $140.00 Belly
CI-122 Comm $140.00 Belly
CI-105 Transp. $100.00 Belly
CI-102Marker $100.00 Belly
Archer #1VOR $85.00 Internal Win Tip
Archer #1VOR $85.00 Internal Win Tip
GPS GA-35GPS $350.00 Canopy Top
GPS GA-35GPS $350.00 Canopy Top
XM Antenna Included Canopy Top
Geeez, Can you hear me now?
The XM Antenna is included with the purchase of my Garmin GDL-69a receiver.
I am thinking of replacing 1 GA-35 GPS antenna and the XM antenna and buying a combo GPS/XM antenna from Comant (CI 401-460 http://www.comant.com/pdfs/CI_401-460.pdf ) They offer a couple of different models so when Tech Support calls me back I can get their best recommendation. This will eliminate one bump/penetration on my canopy.
Regarding location I reviewed the archives and Tim's Antenna page including Comant's suggested antenna location: http://www.myrv10.com/files/antennas/comant/Comant_Suggested_Antenna_Locations.pdf
My current plan is to place the antennas in these locations:
Shark Blade just aft of the exhaust outlet
Marker Beacon basically between the main gear or aft of the rear bulkhead
2 Comm side by side aft of the main gear but forward of the step
Archer VOR in each wing tip
2 GPS plus 1 XM in tandem on top of canopy around where the rear window ends OR
1 GPS & 1 GPS/XM antenna in tandem on top of canopy around where the rear window
ends
I see Tim has one GPS antenna near the rear bulkhead and one just behind the windscreen.
Tim also has his marker antenna aft of the bulkhead and the Comm antenna
side by side in the location I am proposing.
Other than seeing if I can get Tim to finish my plane...Can I get any comments
on my antenna selection and placement?
Thanks in advance,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 400 hours
RV-10 BPE engine Ships next week
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection & Location |
My configuration is similar to yours except I went with the Bob Archer
Marker Antenna.......40" piece of wire out in the wing tip. I am not flying
yet, so can not tell you how they work.
Put my 1 GA-35 on the top right behind the baggage bulkhead. When I rolled
my A/C out in front of the hanger, the Garmin came alive within about 30
seconds......
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Selection & Location
Dear 10-List,
It's time to select my antennas and place them on the plane. Here is
my minimum list of antenna:
Recap
~$Location
CI-122 Comm $140.00 Belly
CI-122 Comm $140.00 Belly
CI-105 Transp. $100.00 Belly
CI-102Marker $100.00 Belly
Archer #1VOR
$85.00 Internal Win Tip
Archer #1VOR $85.00
Internal Win Tip
GPS GA-35GPS $350.00 Canopy
Top
GPS GA-35GPS $350.00 Canopy
Top
XM Antenna Included Canopy
Top
Geeez, Can you hear me now?
The XM Antenna is included with the purchase of my Garmin GDL-69a
receiver.
I am thinking of replacing 1 GA-35 GPS antenna and the XM antenna
and buying a combo GPS/XM antenna from Comant (CI 401-460
http://www.comant.com/pdfs/CI_401-460.pdf ) They offer a couple of different
models so when Tech Support calls me back I can get their best
recommendation. This will eliminate one bump/penetration on my canopy.
Regarding location I reviewed the archives and Tim's Antenna page
including Comant's suggested antenna location:
http://www.myrv10.com/files/antennas/comant/Comant_Suggested_Antenna_Locatio
ns.pdf
My current plan is to place the antennas in these locations:
Shark Blade just aft of the exhaust outlet
Marker Beacon basically between the main gear or aft of the rear bulkhead
2 Comm side by side aft of the main gear but forward of the step
Archer VOR in each wing tip
2 GPS plus 1 XM in tandem on top of canopy around where the rear window ends
OR
1 GPS & 1 GPS/XM antenna in tandem on top of canopy around where the rear
window ends
I see Tim has one GPS antenna near the rear bulkhead and one just behind the
windscreen. Tim also has his marker antenna aft of the bulkhead and the Comm
antenna side by side in the location I am proposing.
Other than seeing if I can get Tim to finish my plane...Can I get any
comments on my antenna selection and placement?
Thanks in advance,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 400 hours
RV-10 BPE engine Ships next week
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection & Location |
robin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote:
>
> Other than seeing if I can get Tim to finish my plane...Can I get any comments
on my antenna selection and placement?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Robin
> RV-4 Sold
> RV-6A 400 hours
> RV-10 BPE engine Ships next week
Hay Hay Hay, hold your horses. Get in line. I got my request in first. [Mr.
Green]
His plane is finished so what does he have to do now?
About the antenna placement, I am about 2 months behind you so I am listening also.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron deflection |
Thanks Dan, I'll look this up. I was just curious as to what looks
normal in the total deflection, up versus down and also what this
translated to, given aileron rod clearances as has been discussed
numerous times. I'm trying to determine if/when requiring maximum
control deflection, what is the chances of any foulups and any
possibility of ending up over centre on the auto pilot servo linkage.
Also what this means to the control stick clearances in the cockpit.
John 40315
----- Original Message -----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R.
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron deflection
There is also a table of min/max travels in the first few chapters of
the construction manual, you know the ones that also tell you how to do
your weight and balance, and test flights? I do not remember the chapter
number, but the FAA inspector wanted to see this table and then measure
travel on the control surfaces to make sure they met but did not exceed
the recommended values.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:45 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron deflection
John,
This is from memory... Seems about 3" up, 1.5" down.
Anh
N591VU-flying
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dunne
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Aileron deflection
Can someone please tell me ( I need approximate only) what is the
measurement between the wingtip trailing edge and the aileron trailing
edge when it is fully deflected upwards after complete assembly of
control linkages? Is it 1", 2" or so?
Thanks
John 40315
p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
ics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection & Location |
I did the two comms on the belly, transponder in the center forward, Archer VOR's
in each wing tip, and per Checkoways site used 40" of stripped coax for the
marker beacon glassed into a wing tip. I use the GPS antenna that came with the
pinpoint mounted just aft of the cabin top and the portable GPS ant is on the
glare shield to aid in removal. All works well with testing, and am happy.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Selection & Location
Dear 10-List,
It's time to select my antennas and place them on the plane. Here is my minimum
list of antenna:
Recap ~$Location
CI-122 Comm $140.00 Belly
CI-122 Comm $140.00 Belly
CI-105 Transp. $100.00 Belly
CI-102Marker $100.00 Belly
Archer #1VOR $85.00 Internal Win Tip
Archer #1VOR $85.00 Internal Win Tip
GPS GA-35GPS $350.00 Canopy Top
GPS GA-35GPS $350.00 Canopy Top
XM Antenna Included Canopy Top
Geeez, Can you hear me now?
The XM Antenna is included with the purchase of my Garmin GDL-69a receiver.
I am thinking of replacing 1 GA-35 GPS antenna and the XM antenna and buying a combo GPS/XM antenna from Comant (CI 401-460 http://www.comant.com/pdfs/CI_401-460.pdf ) They offer a couple of different models so when Tech Support calls me back I can get their best recommendation. This will eliminate one bump/penetration on my canopy.
Regarding location I reviewed the archives and Tim's Antenna page including Comant's suggested antenna location: http://www.myrv10.com/files/antennas/comant/Comant_Suggested_Antenna_Locations.pdf
My current plan is to place the antennas in these locations:
Shark Blade just aft of the exhaust outlet
Marker Beacon basically between the main gear or aft of the rear bulkhead
2 Comm side by side aft of the main gear but forward of the step
Archer VOR in each wing tip
2 GPS plus 1 XM in tandem on top of canopy around where the rear window ends OR
1 GPS & 1 GPS/XM antenna in tandem on top of canopy around where the rear window
ends
I see Tim has one GPS antenna near the rear bulkhead and one just behind the windscreen.
Tim also has his marker antenna aft of the bulkhead and the Comm antenna
side by side in the location I am proposing.
Other than seeing if I can get Tim to finish my plane...Can I get any comments
on my antenna selection and placement?
Thanks in advance,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 400 hours
RV-10 BPE engine Ships next week
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| Subject: | Aircraft Designator Code |
Unless you are using DUATS. For some reason they still haven't incorporated
the RV10??? I use HXB and then put RV10 in the remarks.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
Yup..... RV10 ;)
In the olden days, like last year, we had to use HXB, which
is homebuilt experimental, with a B speed range. Now
we can use RV10.
Tim
Roger Standley wrote:
>
> Does anyone remember the RV-10 Aircraft Designator Code (for flight plan
> form)?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection & Location |
I just received my Garmin 430W and the GA-35 is included with it.
This is perfect timing, I was just getting ready to install all the
antenna's and you have exactly what I do.
I attached the latest panel drawing. It is being laser cut and I should
have it later this week. The only change I am going to make is that I no longer
need the three dimmer knobs. We are about to release a smart dimmer module
that will enable the AF-3500 EFIS to control external lighting circuits from
the EFIS.
Rob Hickman Advanced Flight Systems
N401RH RV-4 (500+ hours)
N402RH RV-10 Mounting Antenna's and trying to get the doors to fit.
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| Subject: | Antenna Selection & Location |
Nice panel layout, Rob. What are those big screens you are using in your
panel? :-)
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: RobHickman@aol.com [mailto:RobHickman@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna Selection & Location
I just received my Garmin 430W and the GA-35 is included with it.
This is perfect timing, I was just getting ready to install all the
antenna's and you have exactly what I do.
I attached the latest panel drawing. It is being laser cut and I should
have it later this week. The only change I am going to make is that I no
longer need the three dimmer knobs. We are about to release a smart dimmer
module that will enable the AF-3500 EFIS to control external lighting
circuits from the EFIS.
Rob Hickman Advanced Flight Systems
N401RH RV-4 (500+ hours)
N402RH RV-10 Mounting Antenna's and trying to get the doors to fit.
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection & Location |
Thanks for the antenna plan - very useful for this builder.
I'm trying to do with less antenna on my ship but with equivalent
function. I'd appreciate thoughts from the list on the following thoughts:
- Most of my flight guidance, including precision approaches, will be
using GPS. At least that's what the autopilot will be using.
- So, I'm planning on a single Nav and that Nav antenna is going in a
wing tip
- Marker beacon use barely fogs a mirror. Even when flying an ILS in
the Maule, the GPS info just trumps it. But I will have the capability
driven by the cheapest, lowest profile antenna I can fabricate -
stripped coax I guess
- I want dual comm but my experience is that I'll use only one for all
flight ops. Sometimes it's nice to use the other one for Clearance
Delivery or something but the more function in the primary comm, the
less the secondary comm is used. Backup is nice and handhelds have
limitations as a backup (management of batteries, anttena setup, and it
has to be on the checklist)
So my minimum has only one assymetrically mounted comm on the belly,
single Nav, secondary Comm and marker in wingtips. Whatever the GPS
units require on the top. And a transponder poking out of the belly in
front somewhere. I haven't gotten much further yet. I think that
will work.
Bill "installing empty conduit" Watson
Durham NC #40605
Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Dear 10-List,
> It's time to select my antennas and place them on the plane. Here is my minimum
list of antenna:
>
> Recap ~$ Location
> CI-122 Comm $140.00 Belly
> CI-122 Comm $140.00 Belly
> CI-105 Transp. $100.00 Belly
> CI-102 Marker $100.00 Belly
> Archer #1 VOR $85.00 Internal Win
Tip
> Archer #1 VOR $85.00 Internal Win
Tip
> GPS GA-35 GPS $350.00 Canopy Top
> GPS GA-35 GPS $350.00 Canopy Top
> XM Antenna Included Canopy Top
>
> Geeez, Can you hear me now?
> The XM Antenna is included with the purchase of my Garmin GDL-69a receiver.
> I am thinking of replacing 1 GA-35 GPS antenna and the XM antenna and buying a combo GPS/XM antenna from Comant (CI 401-460 http://www.comant.com/pdfs/CI_401-460.pdf ) They offer a couple of different models so when Tech Support calls me back I can get their best recommendation. This will eliminate one bump/penetration on my canopy.
>
> Regarding location I reviewed the archives and Tim's Antenna page including Comant's suggested antenna location: http://www.myrv10.com/files/antennas/comant/Comant_Suggested_Antenna_Locations.pdf
>
> My current plan is to place the antennas in these locations:
>
> Shark Blade just aft of the exhaust outlet
> Marker Beacon basically between the main gear or aft of the rear bulkhead
> 2 Comm side by side aft of the main gear but forward of the step
> Archer VOR in each wing tip
> 2 GPS plus 1 XM in tandem on top of canopy around where the rear window ends
OR
> 1 GPS & 1 GPS/XM antenna in tandem on top of canopy around where the rear window
ends
>
> I see Tim has one GPS antenna near the rear bulkhead and one just behind the
windscreen. Tim also has his marker antenna aft of the bulkhead and the Comm antenna
side by side in the location I am proposing.
>
> Other than seeing if I can get Tim to finish my plane...Can I get any comments
on my antenna selection and placement?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Robin
> RV-4 Sold
> RV-6A 400 hours
> RV-10 BPE engine Ships next week
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane |
In a message dated 10/7/2007 7:30:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JSMcGrew@aol.com writes:
The AOA, on the other hand, can be used for more than just stall detection,
but I have had trouble with mine. I get error messages which have required
recalibration every few flights, so I've learned not to count on it working.
Recalibration has never failed to clear the errors, but I've gotten tired of
taking the 10 minutes out of my flight to perform the calibration procedure
and stopped using it. (Nothing against AFS, as I haven't taken the time to
report this to them, so I haven't given them a chance to help me fix it yet
).
This is not the norm, I have had my AOA Pro for the last 400 hours (long
before we purchased the AOA company) and have not had to recalibrate it. T
he
most common issue with what you are describing is leaking plumbing. You
should verify the wing ports, static, and pitot. To check the wing ports
do the
following:
1. Disconnect the tubing from the CPU
2. Suck through the Green and Blue tubes, are they clear?
3. Tape over the top wing port hole and suck the blue tube, you
should not get any air.
4. Tape over the bottom wing port hole and suck the green tube, you
should not get any air.
Next thing is to make sure you have a good connection on the red hose to th
e
pitot and the clear tube to the static. We have had some people push the
=C2=BC=9D
tubes in to far on the Tee=99s and block the cross drilled holes for t
he small
tubes.
Rarely is there ever a problem with the CPU and they do work really well.
The last major problem we had was with a customers Lancair 4P, we had the
CPU twice, he checked the plumbing multiple times and it still acted like y
ou
are describing. Finally after assuring me he had checked the plumbing he
flew the plane to Oregon so I could look at it. Guess what? The clear tub
e to
the static system was pinched with a tie strap.
Call me if you need any help any time.
Sincerley,
Rob Hickman cell (503) 701-5042
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Selection & Location |
Nice panel layout, Rob. What are those big screens you are using in your
panel? J
You should see them with Terrain and weather :)
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Attack Probe Vs Stall Warning Vane |
Thanks. I'll take a look at those things.
-Jim
In a message dated 10/10/2007 8:46:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
RobHickman@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 10/7/2007 7:30:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JSMcGrew@aol.com writes:
The AOA, on the other hand, can be used for more than just stall detection,
but I have had trouble with mine. I get error messages which have required
recalibration every few flights, so I've learned not to count on it working
.
Recalibration has never failed to clear the errors, but I've gotten tired o
f
taking the 10 minutes out of my flight to perform the calibration procedure
and stopped using it. (Nothing against AFS, as I haven't taken the time to
report this to them, so I haven't given them a chance to help me fix it yet
).
This is not the norm, I have had my AOA Pro for the last 400 hours (long
before we purchased the AOA company) and have not had to recalibrate it. T
he
most common issue with what you are describing is leaking plumbing. You
should verify the wing ports, static, and pitot. To check the wing ports
do the
following:
1. Disconnect the tubing from the CPU
2. Suck through the Green and Blue tubes, are they clear?
3. Tape over the top wing port hole and suck the blue tube, you
should not get any air.
4. Tape over the bottom wing port hole and suck the green tube, you
should not get any air.
Next thing is to make sure you have a good connection on the red hose to th
e
pitot and the clear tube to the static. We have had some people push the
=C2=BC=9D
tubes in to far on the Tee=99s and block the cross drilled holes for t
he small
tubes.
Rarely is there ever a problem with the CPU and they do work really well.
The last major problem we had was with a customers Lancair 4P, we had the
CPU twice, he checked the plumbing multiple times and it still acted like y
ou
are describing. Finally after assuring me he had checked the plumbing he
flew the plane to Oregon so I could look at it. Guess what? The clear tub
e to
the static system was pinched with a tie strap.
Call me if you need any help any time.
Sincerley,
Rob Hickman cell (503) 701-5042
Advanced Flight Systems
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
_http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew)
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| Subject: | Chelton Cable Lengths? |
Thanks both to Tim and Scott for the help.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
I don't have any specific wire lengths because I pretty much
just pulled a piece of string-trimmer line from a grass trimmer,
cut to slightly excess length, and then pulled that out to use
as a length template. Then re-pulled the bundle, with the
string trimmer length to use as a future puller. So lengths
I don't have. But, what I do have is an install write-up.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20060531/index.html
I went with the tail installation because behind the panel
I just don't want to take up more room, and I think it's
got to be a pretty electrically noisy place already. So the
AHRS is behind the baggage wall on a shelf. The MSU I could
have put in the wing, which is great if you put it away from
the servos and stuff, but when I put mine in, I figured
it would be easier to wire the MSU to the GADAHRS if they
were somewhat close, and the further aft area of the tail
has worked well magnetically and electrically. It's pretty
cool how when you calibrate the AHRS you can see to extreme
detail the magnetics with all the various live data that
is provided on the diagnostics screen. (This is the
pinpoint, of course) so for me, the majority of wire was
panel to tail, and then OAT was wing to tail. I doubt
you'd find a problem with mounting the MSU in the wing.
The hardest part might be getting everything level...but the
calibration procedure actually allows you to calibrate out
mis-leveling fore and aft too.
Sorry I don't have specific lengths.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> Read with a humorous intent, but Tim, you should know better than that! I
> didn't mean what is the standard because I know there is no standard, but
> for those who have done it, where did you mount your stuff and how long
were
> the wires you used? If I can get some ideas of where things were
installed,
> then I could measure for wiring runs, but if you also know your lengths,
> that would help too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:21 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
>
>
> Read with a humorous intent, but Jesse, you should know better than
> that! Like Dan said...it all just depends on where you mount
> Everything. You can mount the GADAHRS behind the panel or in the
> tail, you can mount the MSU (magnetometer) in the wing or in the
> tail or any other magnetically ideal spot. The OAT can go where
> you want it (I prefer near a wing access panel at least 3 or 4' outboard
> from the root. So, you need to determine where you want the components.
> The good news is, it's just shielded pairs and triplets so there's
> nothing too fancy about the wiring. I don't think there is any
> "standard" harness to be had.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>> The answer to this is it would depend, based on where you choose to
>> install them, my GADHRS is only a couple of feet from the displays and
>> Tim's are behind his baggage bulkhead.
>> I think Stein would be better to ask on this as he probably has a
>> default trim to length he makes for his harness
>> Dan
>> N289DT RV10E Flying
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:44 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton Cable Lengths?
>>
>> Tim and any others who have installed Cheltons, can you tell me the
>> wiring lengths from the PFD to GADAHRS, OAT Probe, MSU, etc.?
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Designator Code |
Hello Bob,
according ICAO your Glastar should be GLST (at least that is what I'm
using since 4 years).
and yes RV10 is in the database, to check
<http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/index.cfm>
br Werner
Bob Newman wrote:
>
> I believe it will be either -hxa or -hxb where the a or b is the
> catagory approach speed. I know my slow Glastar is -hxa
>
>
>
>>>> taildragon@msn.com 10/10/2007 12:48 PM >>>
>>>>
>
> Does anyone remember the RV-10 Aircraft Designator Code (for flight
> plan form)?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | test patch - plexiglas glued to cabin top |
I sent an email request to the Van's builder support asking about the use of epoxy
resin to glue the windows to the cabin. Ken Scott replied that they simply
do not know if it will work or not , but that they do know that Weld-On 10 does
work. I built a test sample by mixing west system epoxy and adding chopped
fibers to get a texture that didn't sag under its own weight. I alcohol cleaned
a strip of cabin top (it was trimmed away for the door) and a surplus strip
of side window Plexiglas. Both strips had been scuffed thoroughly with 120 grit
aluminum oxide. I used a liberal amount of epoxy to bond the 1 inch wide
strips for a 6 inch overlap. Light pressure was applied with three clothespin
type clamps. The piece cured for 24 hours at 70 degrees F and today I performed
a test of the sheer strength of the joint. The junction of the epoxy and the
Plexiglas failed when I applied some sharp raps with a light weight ball peen
hammer. I don't have subjective quantitative values for the amount of force
needed to break the joint, but the pieces came apart way too easily for me.
The junction of the epoxy and cabin top didn't fail under extreme chisel torture.
I'll do a similar test when i get my Plexiglas glue.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139344#139344
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| Subject: | First Flight N921AC |
Yesterday I flew our RV-10, N921AC, on it's maiden flight. Everything went
well. It was really a thrill. RV grin firmly affixed.
The only problems were an inaccurate fuel measurement (one of three methods)
and the usual rudder trim. Both easy fixes.
My wife flew a plane load of observers in Larry Baker's RV-10. It was nice
to have eight more eyes looking things over.
I'll post videos and details on our web site soon. Right now Phase I
testing takes priority!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
40394 Flying!!
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| Subject: | spinner /cowl drop |
Congrats to first flights great stuff.
Those with flying RV10 's with 100 or more hours on there machines have they
noticed any drop of the spinner .
I didnt allow for any movement in our 6 and after 350 hour it didnt move
however the 10 is diferent so any movement guys and gals?
regards Chris 388
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| Subject: | Re: spinner /cowl drop |
Should have looked under engine sag eh.....looks like 3/16 is the average.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: spinner /cowl drop
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Congrats to first flights great stuff.
>
> Those with flying RV10 's with 100 or more hours on there machines have
> they noticed any drop of the spinner .
>
> I didnt allow for any movement in our 6 and after 350 hour it didnt move
> however the 10 is diferent so any movement guys and gals?
>
> regards Chris 388
>
>
>
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