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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Aircraft Designator Code (darnpilot@aol.com)
2. 11:00 AM - Re: Aircraft Designator Code (neil)
3. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (William Curtis)
4. 12:05 PM - Re: Aircraft Designator Code (Jesse Saint)
5. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (Ben Westfall)
6. 12:14 PM - Re: Aircraft Designator Code (Jesse Saint)
7. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (Rick Sked)
8. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (Rick Sked)
9. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (Marcus Cooper)
10. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (William Curtis)
11. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (William Curtis)
12. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (Jesse Saint)
13. 06:56 PM - Re: Question re. Electronic/Digital engine gages (Tim Olson)
14. 06:57 PM - Re: Question re. Electronic/Digital engine gages (Tim Olson)
15. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (Patrick ONeill)
16. 07:23 PM - Extra parts for sale (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
17. 07:24 PM - Re: Question re. Electronic/Digital engine gages (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
18. 08:30 PM - Re: Extra parts for sale (n277dl)
19. 08:38 PM - Re: Extra parts for sale (Chris and Susie McGough)
20. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (Vernon Smith)
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Designator Code |
Jesse:
I'll take you up on that dinner <grin>.? I'm in Jacksonville, FL.
Jeff
PA32RT-300
Glasair III
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:26 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
No no no....not all 3. I just like the cloudy and rainy stuff, but
not when it's cold or windy. I'm not a fan of ice, or turbulence
you can't climb away from.
Well, we had our day at 3 of the parks today, so tomorrow if we
can avoid that glob over iowa we should be home again.
Tim
do not archive
>
> Cold, windy and rainy...Tim, I thought that was the type of weather that
> made you WANT to go flying. I do understand the Disney and In-laws thing,
> of course. I would offer to take you out to dinner myself, but I don't
> think you are coming quite this far south. Normally it's X35, but right
> now
> it's SESM (any takers out there?).
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
>
>
> Well, that was the plan originally but it looks like the weather
> up there will be cold, windy, and rainy...the same junk we
> just lived through in WI a couple days ago. So we started
> out with heading to GA and were then deciding between coming
> up the coast and seeing NC/SC/W.VA, and then home, or going down
> into FL. The kids I think won out so we're now on the run to sqeeze
> in a day of Mickey Mouse and in-laws before we zip back home.
> The RV-ten sorry, my keyboard is losing it's number keys... is
> a great x/c machine that can get you a long way in a days flight,
> but the problem is, if you leave home without a firm plan on where
> to go, you can really get stuck in the "mulling it over" phase.
> Sometimes it's tough to have choices. ;
>
> I appreciate all the invites we get, and we'll probably take some
> of them up sometime, but traveling with the kids usually means
> their votes count more than my vote, so more often than not I'm
> trying to zip on to the destination.
>
> I think we'll have to give Maine another shot in the spring or fall.
>
> If anyone has great suggestions for sights to see in any far eastern
> states .... ones that kids would like, send them to me offline as
> I really need to come up with some eastern vacation plans that aren't
> just visiting beaches, or mom-n-pop museums. I need things that
> kids really would find fun. we're going to spend some time trying to
> hit all forty nine mainland states over the next few years, before they
> get out of H.S.
>
> Thanks for the invite!
> Tim
> do not archive
>
>
>> Tim: Rumor has it that you will be in Maine this coming weekend. If
>> that
>> is true we would love to take you and yours for a lobstah' dinnah'. We
>> are
>> free all weekend. Could fly into either AUG or WVL. Home phone is 207
>> 395
>> 2842 and cell is 207 322 6167. Jay Rowe #40301 (working on the
>> cowling).
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Weird that DUATS doesn't and DUAT does. I didn't have good luck
>> > filing a couple times with Golden Eagle (DUATS), but today I filed
>> > with Voyager (DUAT) and it took it right away and within an hour
>> > I was in air picking up a clearance to Atlanta. I filed as RV10/G.
>> > Pretty nice day. I flew LOP for a while at 9K, and then took a
>> > brief stint at ROP. I gained an easy 10kts over my LOP flight
>> > phase, but it sure changes the range....so a couple minutes I was
>> > kicked back again in the low 160's with flows around 10gph.
>> >
>> > Tim
>> >
>> >> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>> >>
>> >> DUATS still does not accept RV10, I had to use HXB when filing via
>> DUATS
>> >> on my way to 5T6 this past weekend.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank You
>> >> Ray Doerr
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>> Olson
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:24 PM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yup..... RV10 ;)
>> >>
>> >> In the olden days, like last year, we had to use HXB, which
>> >> is homebuilt experimental, with a B speed range. Now
>> >> we can use RV10.
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Roger Standley wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Does anyone remember the RV-10 Aircraft Designator Code (for
>> flight
>> >> plan
>> >>> form)?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> 10/11/2007 9:11 AM
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Designator Code |
It's the "Short flight HOME" bit that stops me from being too serious
about that trip for us.
Neil
ZK-RVT Flying 1.5 hrs (due to weather)
On 13 Oct 2007, at 13:35, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> OK, you=92re killing me now.- I have to talk my dad into going, and
3
> other planes to fit my wife and kids too.
> -
> Do not archive
> -
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> From: ddddsp1@juno.com [mailto:ddddsp1@juno.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:21 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
> -
>
> Deems,
>
> How is this for a plan.................Fly to Osh 08.........then to
> Alaska............return to Portland in time for Van's
> Homecoming............then a short flight HOME.---- Bet we
could get a
> few to bite on that journey!
>
> Dean- 805HL
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
And now for something completely different.
My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder. The Van's
aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised no one has
considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My Cardinal 177RG uses
a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop a similar fully mechanical
spring bias spring system for the RV-10.
In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator that applies
(or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect rudder trim.
The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron trim may be usable
for the rudder trim.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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>
> Deems and I are working on a rudder trim system that will deploy a flush tab
(similar to airline speed brake) into the slip stream on each side of the rudder.
I have a rough sketch not worthy of posting yet but I'm sure we will keep
the list informed as it develops. One thing for sure, it will be a bunch easier
to so during assembly than after the fact but we are working on the after the
fact version. I already have the aircraft and panel wired for it, it's on the
back burner until I can get the canopy top final riveted. Look for for a good
drawing and some pics in about two weeks. It will use the Ray Allen servo. It
works on paper, just need to carefully start the layout and see where and how
to fit it. The plan is for the control to be tray mounted to allow access to
the servo and linkage and the actual control surfaces will be mounted using hinges,
nutplates and screws. The weight should be equivilent to Vic's setup. Of
course there will be a need to balance the rudder af!
> terwards to make sure there isn't a flutter issue with the extra weight built
into the control surface.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Reining" <wreining@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
>
>
> Paul
> I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the attached
pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer. Hope they help.
>
> --------
> Bill (and Jon) Reining
> 40514
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| Subject: | Aircraft Designator Code |
Come on down! You will need to clear immigration and customs in SEGU first,
but then it's just a hop over the mountains and you're here. If you want to
wait until I get back to X35, then that's fine too.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: darnpilot@aol.com [mailto:darnpilot@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
Jesse:
I'll take you up on that dinner <grin>. I'm in Jacksonville, FL.
Jeff
PA32RT-300
Glasair III
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:26 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
No no no....not all 3. I just like the cloudy and rainy stuff, but
not when it's cold or windy. I'm not a fan of ice, or turbulence
you can't climb away from.
Well, we had our day at 3 of the parks today, so tomorrow if we
can avoid that glob over iowa we should be home again.
Tim
do not archive
>
> Cold, windy and rainy...Tim, I thought that was the type of weather that
> made you WANT to go flying. I do understand the Disney and In-laws thing,
> of course. I would offer to take you out to dinner myself, but I don't
> think you are coming quite this far south. Normally it's X35, but right
> now
> it's SESM (any takers out there?).
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com/>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com?> ]
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
>
>
> Well, that was the plan originally but it looks like the weather
> up there will be cold, windy, and rainy...the same junk we
> just lived through in WI a couple days ago. So we started
> out with heading to GA and were then deciding between coming
> up the coast and seeing NC/SC/W.VA, and then home, or going down
> into FL. The kids I think won out so we're now on the run to sqeeze
> in a day of Mickey Mouse and in-laws before we zip back home.
> The RV-ten sorry, my keyboard is losing it's number keys... is
> a great x/c machine that can get you a long way in a days flight,
> but the problem is, if you leave home without a firm plan on where
> to go, you can really get stuck in the "mulling it over" phase.
> Sometimes it's tough to have choices. ;
>
> I appreciate all the invites we get, and we'll probably take some
> of them up sometime, but traveling with the kids usually means
> their votes count more than my vote, so more often than not I'm
> trying to zip on to the destination.
>
> I think we'll have to give Maine another shot in the spring or fall.
>
> If anyone has great suggestions for sights to see in any far eastern
> states .... ones that kids would like, send them to me offline as
> I really need to come up with some eastern vacation plans that aren't
> just visiting beaches, or mom-n-pop museums. I need things that
> kids really would find fun. we're going to spend some time trying to
> hit all forty nine mainland states over the next few years, before they
> get out of H.S.
>
> Thanks for the invite!
> Tim
> do not archive
>
>
>> Tim: Rumor has it that you will be in Maine this coming weekend. If
>> that
>> is true we would love to take you and yours for a lobstah' dinnah'. We
>> are
>> free all weekend. Could fly into either AUG or WVL. Home phone is 207
>> 395
>> 2842 and cell is 207 322 6167. Jay Rowe #40301 (working on the
>> cowling).
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Weird that DUATS doesn't and DUAT does. I didn't have good luck
>> > filing a couple times with Golden Eagle (DUATS), but today I filed
>> > with Voyager (DUAT) and it took it right away and within an hour
>> > I was in air picking up a clearance to Atlanta. I filed as RV10/G.
>> > Pretty nice day. I flew LOP for a while at 9K, and then took a
>> > brief stint at ROP. I gained an easy 10kts over my LOP flight
>> > phase, but it sure changes the range....so a couple minutes I was
>> > kicked back again in the low 160's with flows around 10gph.
>> >
>> > Tim
>> >
>> >> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>> >>
>> >> DUATS still does not accept RV10, I had to use HXB when filing via
>> DUATS
>> >> on my way to 5T6 this past weekend.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank You
>> >> Ray Doerr
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Tim
>> Olson
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:24 PM
>> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yup..... RV10 ;)
>> >>
>> >> In the olden days, like last year, we had to use HXB, which
>> >> is homebuilt experimental, with a B speed range. Now
>> >> we can use RV10.
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Roger Standley wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Does anyone remember the RV-10 Aircraft Designator Code (for
>> flight
>> >> plan
>> >>> form)?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> 10/11/2007 9:11 AM
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
I am curious if anyone has given any thought to a system that applies forces
to the cables without any external tabs? It seems to me the cables could be
cut into two pieces somewhere in the tailcone or tunnel and some sort of
linkage could be created so that the pedals are always neutral but the rear
half of the cables that are attached to the rudder could be offset such that
they make the rudder move a few degrees either direction.
I have a few ideas of some systems but I don't have a clue as to what would
work or where to start. Just curios what other people have thought of?
-Ben
40579
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
Paul
I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the
attached pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer.
Hope they help.
--------
Bill (and Jon) Reining
40514
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| Subject: | Aircraft Designator Code |
Come on down! You will need to clear immigration and customs in SEGU first,
but then it's just a hop over the mountains and you're here. If you want to
wait until I get back to X35, then that's fine too.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: darnpilot@aol.com [mailto:darnpilot@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
Jesse:
I'll take you up on that dinner <grin>. I'm in Jacksonville, FL.
Jeff
PA32RT-300
Glasair III
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:26 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
No no no....not all 3. I just like the cloudy and rainy stuff, but
not when it's cold or windy. I'm not a fan of ice, or turbulence
you can't climb away from.
Well, we had our day at 3 of the parks today, so tomorrow if we
can avoid that glob over iowa we should be home again.
Tim
do not archive
>
> Cold, windy and rainy...Tim, I thought that was the type of weather that
> made you WANT to go flying. I do understand the Disney and In-laws thing,
> of course. I would offer to take you out to dinner myself, but I don't
> think you are coming quite this far south. Normally it's X35, but right
> now
> it's SESM (any takers out there?).
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com/>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com?> ]
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:45 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
>
>
> Well, that was the plan originally but it looks like the weather
> up there will be cold, windy, and rainy...the same junk we
> just lived through in WI a couple days ago. So we started
> out with heading to GA and were then deciding between coming
> up the coast and seeing NC/SC/W.VA, and then home, or going down
> into FL. The kids I think won out so we're now on the run to sqeeze
> in a day of Mickey Mouse and in-laws before we zip back home.
> The RV-ten sorry, my keyboard is losing it's number keys... is
> a great x/c machine that can get you a long way in a days flight,
> but the problem is, if you leave home without a firm plan on where
> to go, you can really get stuck in the "mulling it over" phase.
> Sometimes it's tough to have choices. ;
>
> I appreciate all the invites we get, and we'll probably take some
> of them up sometime, but traveling with the kids usually means
> their votes count more than my vote, so more often than not I'm
> trying to zip on to the destination.
>
> I think we'll have to give Maine another shot in the spring or fall.
>
> If anyone has great suggestions for sights to see in any far eastern
> states .... ones that kids would like, send them to me offline as
> I really need to come up with some eastern vacation plans that aren't
> just visiting beaches, or mom-n-pop museums. I need things that
> kids really would find fun. we're going to spend some time trying to
> hit all forty nine mainland states over the next few years, before they
> get out of H.S.
>
> Thanks for the invite!
> Tim
> do not archive
>
>
>> Tim: Rumor has it that you will be in Maine this coming weekend. If
>> that
>> is true we would love to take you and yours for a lobstah' dinnah'. We
>> are
>> free all weekend. Could fly into either AUG or WVL. Home phone is 207
>> 395
>> 2842 and cell is 207 322 6167. Jay Rowe #40301 (working on the
>> cowling).
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aircraft Designator Code
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Weird that DUATS doesn't and DUAT does. I didn't have good luck
>> > filing a couple times with Golden Eagle (DUATS), but today I filed
>> > with Voyager (DUAT) and it took it right away and within an hour
>> > I was in air picking up a clearance to Atlanta. I filed as RV10/G.
>> > Pretty nice day. I flew LOP for a while at 9K, and then took a
>> > brief stint at ROP. I gained an easy 10kts over my LOP flight
>> > phase, but it sure changes the range....so a couple minutes I was
>> > kicked back again in the low 160's with flows around 10gph.
>> >
>> > Tim
>> >
>> >> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>> >>
>> >> DUATS still does not accept RV10, I had to use HXB when filing via
>> DUATS
>> >> on my way to 5T6 this past weekend.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank You
>> >> Ray Doerr
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Tim
>> Olson
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>> >> Yup..... RV10 ;)
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>> >> In the olden days, like last year, we had to use HXB, which
>> >> is homebuilt experimental, with a B speed range. Now
>> >> we can use RV10.
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>> >> Roger Standley wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
The Rvator had a manual system for the -6 a few years back that involved springs
and pulleys, basically as you turned the knob, it would apply tension to one
or the other spring to move the rudder left or right. It is similar to the RV-10
aileron trim. I drew several different variations but the reason for not doing
it came down to one main reason...adding more potentential failure points
that would or could cause catastrophic rudder failure. Honestly, Vic's system
is very simple, if it fails at any point it shouldn't really be an issue of flight.
I am still sold on that version but will try to reinvent the wheel. The
method we are working on does use springs to keeep the tabs closed, the trim
servo overrides the spring pressure. If it fails it will either keep the trim
at it's last point, or the tab will close. Either way I guesstimate that the forces
will not be significant enough that I can't use my two foot pounds of pressure
to keep it straight.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:01:43 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
I am curious if anyone has given any thought to a system that applies forces
to the cables without any external tabs? It seems to me the cables could be
cut into two pieces somewhere in the tailcone or tunnel and some sort of
linkage could be created so that the pedals are always neutral but the rear
half of the cables that are attached to the rudder could be offset such that
they make the rudder move a few degrees either direction.
I have a few ideas of some systems but I don't have a clue as to what would
work or where to start. Just curios what other people have thought of?
-Ben
40579
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
Paul
I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the
attached pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer.
Hope they help.
--------
Bill (and Jon) Reining
40514
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139849#139849
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
Wish I had read your post first before posting mine William, could have saved me
a few lines in my message. Please share you ideas as they develop. My main concern
was springs that were able to provide enough travel and still maintain
their springyness and not be so strong that they would wear your legs out but
strong enough to hold position on the rudder. I toyed with ways to attach the
system to the cables instead of cutting the cables and installing the aprings
inbetween, what say you?
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:50:27 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
And now for something completely different.
My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder. The Van's
aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised no one has
considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My Cardinal 177RG uses
a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop a similar fully mechanical
spring bias spring system for the RV-10.
In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator that applies
(or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect rudder trim.
The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron trim may be usable
for the rudder trim.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
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> Deems and I are working on a rudder trim system that will deploy a flush tab
(similar to airline speed brake) into the slip stream on each side of the rudder.
I have a rough sketch not worthy of posting yet but I'm sure we will keep
the list informed as it develops. One thing for sure, it will be a bunch easier
to so during assembly than after the fact but we are working on the after the
fact version. I already have the aircraft and panel wired for it, it's on the
back burner until I can get the canopy top final riveted. Look for for a good
drawing and some pics in about two weeks. It will use the Ray Allen servo. It
works on paper, just need to carefully start the layout and see where and how
to fit it. The plan is for the control to be tray mounted to allow access to
the servo and linkage and the actual control surfaces will be mounted using hinges,
nutplates and screws. The weight should be equivilent to Vic's setup. Of
course there will be a need to balance the rudder !
af!
> terwards to make sure there isn't a flutter issue with the extra weight built
into the control surface.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Reining" <wreining@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
>
>
> Paul
> I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the attached
pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer. Hope they help.
>
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> 40514
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
FWIW, I too had considered a spring system for the rudder trim. Part of the
problem is it's not a closed loop system so at first look you'd have to have
a system that works both sides. One thing I considered is that since you
usually only have to hold right rudder in you could just but a spring on
that side to hold some tension pulling on the right side at various amounts.
The amount of throw threw me off though and I finally caved and put a tab on
the rudder that I operate through a push/pull cable to a knob in the
cockpit. Honestly it's not the prettiest setup so I may redo it down the
road, but it cost next to nothing and it works great.
Marcus
Picking it up from the paintshop next weekend!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
Wish I had read your post first before posting mine William, could have
saved me a few lines in my message. Please share you ideas as they develop.
My main concern was springs that were able to provide enough travel and
still maintain their springyness and not be so strong that they would wear
your legs out but strong enough to hold position on the rudder. I toyed with
ways to attach the system to the cables instead of cutting the cables and
installing the aprings inbetween, what say you?
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:50:27 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
And now for something completely different.
My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder. The
Van's aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised no
one has considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My Cardinal
177RG uses a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop a similar
fully mechanical spring bias spring system for the RV-10.
In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator that
applies (or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect rudder
trim. The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron trim may
be usable for the rudder trim.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>
> Deems and I are working on a rudder trim system that will deploy a flush
tab (similar to airline speed brake) into the slip stream on each side of
the rudder. I have a rough sketch not worthy of posting yet but I'm sure we
will keep the list informed as it develops. One thing for sure, it will be a
bunch easier to so during assembly than after the fact but we are working on
the after the fact version. I already have the aircraft and panel wired for
it, it's on the back burner until I can get the canopy top final riveted.
Look for for a good drawing and some pics in about two weeks. It will use
the Ray Allen servo. It works on paper, just need to carefully start the
layout and see where and how to fit it. The plan is for the control to be
tray mounted to allow access to the servo and linkage and the actual control
surfaces will be mounted using hinges, nutplates and screws. The weight
should be equivilent to Vic's setup. Of course there will be a need to
balance the rudder !
af!
> terwards to make sure there isn't a flutter issue with the extra weight
built into the control surface.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Reining" <wreining@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34:28 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
>
>
> Paul
> I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the
attached pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer.
Hope they help.
>
> --------
> Bill (and Jon) Reining
> 40514
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139849#139849
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
Yeah, cutting the cables would be an absolute no-no in my book. In one scenario
I'm attaching the mechanism to the rudder pedal assembly, in the other, to the
rudder cables via a "wire rope clip" that allows attachment of an actuator
arm. The secondary effect of this system would be to provide automatic centering
to the rudder. Since this won't require the constant attention like the
pitch trim, this is the reason I'm strongly favoring a fully mechanical system.
One question for those that are flying with a rudder trim; once set how ofter
do you have to change it?
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
>
> Wish I had read your post first before posting mine William, could have saved
me a few lines in my message. Please share you ideas as they develop. My main
concern was springs that were able to provide enough travel and still maintain
their springyness and not be so strong that they would wear your legs out but
strong enough to hold position on the rudder. I toyed with ways to attach the
system to the cables instead of cutting the cables and installing the aprings
inbetween, what say you?
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:50:27 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
>
>
> And now for something completely different.
>
> My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder. The Van's
aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised no one
has considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My Cardinal 177RG
uses a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop a similar fully
mechanical spring bias spring system for the RV-10.
>
> In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator that
applies (or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect rudder trim.
The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron trim may be usable
for the rudder trim.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
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> >
> > Deems and I are working on a rudder trim system that will deploy a flush tab
(similar to airline speed brake) into the slip stream on each side of the rudder.
I have a rough sketch not worthy of posting yet but I'm sure we will keep
the list informed as it develops. One thing for sure, it will be a bunch easier
to so during assembly than after the fact but we are working on the after
the fact version. I already have the aircraft and panel wired for it, it's on
the back burner until I can get the canopy top final riveted. Look for for a good
drawing and some pics in about two weeks. It will use the Ray Allen servo.
It works on paper, just need to carefully start the layout and see where and
how to fit it. The plan is for the control to be tray mounted to allow access
to the servo and linkage and the actual control surfaces will be mounted using
hinges, nutplates and screws. The weight should be equivilent to Vic's setup.
Of course there will be a need to balance the rudder !
>
> af!
> > terwards to make sure there isn't a flutter issue with the extra weight built
into the control surface.
> >
> > Rick S.
> > 40185
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Reining" <wreining@gmail.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
> >
> >
> > Paul
> > I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the attached
pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer. Hope they
help.
> >
> > --------
> > Bill (and Jon) Reining
> > 40514
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> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
I'm not sure I'd agree that it is not a closed system. Simultaneously pushing
right and left rudder will not give you both right an left deflection--but I think
I know what you mean.
Using springs to hold only one direction would require a somewhat large force,
this would be the case for the aileron trim also. Anyway all that is required
is a bellcrank, two pulleys and two springs attached by cables to the forward
side of the inboard rudder pedals . With the bellcrank centered, the springs
will center the rudder. With the bellcrank to one side or the other, the springs
will bias the rudder to one side or the other. There are various ways that
the actuator moving the bellcrank can achieve the required mechanical advantage.
You could even eliminate the actuator by making it ground adjustable fixing
the bellcrank with the center bolt. Some have already added springs to the
forward side of the rudder pedals to eliminate the "free play" of the rudder
pedals.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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> FWIW, I too had considered a spring system for the rudder trim. Part of the
> problem is it's not a closed loop system so at first look you'd have to have
> a system that works both sides. One thing I considered is that since you
> usually only have to hold right rudder in you could just but a spring on
> that side to hold some tension pulling on the right side at various amounts.
>
>
> The amount of throw threw me off though and I finally caved and put a tab on
> the rudder that I operate through a push/pull cable to a knob in the
> cockpit. Honestly it's not the prettiest setup so I may redo it down the
> road, but it cost next to nothing and it works great.
>
> Marcus
> Picking it up from the paintshop next weekend!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:58 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
>
>
> Wish I had read your post first before posting mine William, could have
> saved me a few lines in my message. Please share you ideas as they develop.
> My main concern was springs that were able to provide enough travel and
> still maintain their springyness and not be so strong that they would wear
> your legs out but strong enough to hold position on the rudder. I toyed with
> ways to attach the system to the cables instead of cutting the cables and
> installing the aprings inbetween, what say you?
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:50:27 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
>
>
> And now for something completely different.
>
> My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder. The
> Van's aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised no
> one has considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My Cardinal
> 177RG uses a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop a similar
> fully mechanical spring bias spring system for the RV-10.
>
> In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator that
> applies (or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect rudder
> trim. The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron trim may
> be usable for the rudder trim.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> >
> >
> > Deems and I are working on a rudder trim system that will deploy a flush
> tab (similar to airline speed brake) into the slip stream on each side of
> the rudder. I have a rough sketch not worthy of posting yet but I'm sure we
> will keep the list informed as it develops. One thing for sure, it will be a
> bunch easier to so during assembly than after the fact but we are working on
> the after the fact version. I already have the aircraft and panel wired for
> it, it's on the back burner until I can get the canopy top final riveted.
> Look for for a good drawing and some pics in about two weeks. It will use
> the Ray Allen servo. It works on paper, just need to carefully start the
> layout and see where and how to fit it. The plan is for the control to be
> tray mounted to allow access to the servo and linkage and the actual control
> surfaces will be mounted using hinges, nutplates and screws. The weight
> should be equivilent to Vic's setup. Of course there will be a need to
> balance the rudder !
>
> af!
> > terwards to make sure there isn't a flutter issue with the extra weight
> built into the control surface.
> >
> > Rick S.
> > 40185
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Reining" <wreining@gmail.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34:28 PM (GMT-0800)
> America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
> >
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> > Paul
> > I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the
> attached pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer.
> Hope they help.
> >
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> > Bill (and Jon) Reining
> > 40514
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
In my experience, the rudder trim is used every flight, set to climb, set to
cruise, and not always the same setting for cruise because of loading. I
haven't measured the amount that is used or whether it is only one side or
not, but I do know it is useful to have. IMHO, if you have it, you will use
it and will be glad you have it. Aileron trim would be easier to do
without, I think, especially if you have an auto pilot, as it somewhat acts
as an aileron trim when engaged, although I would still recommend it so you
are not always holding a load on the servo.
All IMHO.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
Yeah, cutting the cables would be an absolute no-no in my book. In one
scenario I'm attaching the mechanism to the rudder pedal assembly, in the
other, to the rudder cables via a "wire rope clip" that allows attachment of
an actuator arm. The secondary effect of this system would be to provide
automatic centering to the rudder. Since this won't require the constant
attention like the pitch trim, this is the reason I'm strongly favoring a
fully mechanical system. One question for those that are flying with a
rudder trim; once set how ofter do you have to change it?
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
>
> Wish I had read your post first before posting mine William, could have
saved me a few lines in my message. Please share you ideas as they develop.
My main concern was springs that were able to provide enough travel and
still maintain their springyness and not be so strong that they would wear
your legs out but strong enough to hold position on the rudder. I toyed with
ways to attach the system to the cables instead of cutting the cables and
installing the aprings inbetween, what say you?
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:50:27 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
>
>
> And now for something completely different.
>
> My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder.
The Van's aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised
no one has considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My
Cardinal 177RG uses a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop
a similar fully mechanical spring bias spring system for the RV-10.
>
> In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator
that applies (or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect
rudder trim. The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron
trim may be usable for the rudder trim.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
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> >
> > Deems and I are working on a rudder trim system that will deploy a flush
tab (similar to airline speed brake) into the slip stream on each side of
the rudder. I have a rough sketch not worthy of posting yet but I'm sure we
will keep the list informed as it develops. One thing for sure, it will be a
bunch easier to so during assembly than after the fact but we are working on
the after the fact version. I already have the aircraft and panel wired for
it, it's on the back burner until I can get the canopy top final riveted.
Look for for a good drawing and some pics in about two weeks. It will use
the Ray Allen servo. It works on paper, just need to carefully start the
layout and see where and how to fit it. The plan is for the control to be
tray mounted to allow access to the servo and linkage and the actual control
surfaces will be mounted using hinges, nutplates and screws. The weight
should be equivilent to Vic's setup. Of course there will be a need to
balance the rudde!
r !
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> af!
> > terwards to make sure there isn't a flutter issue with the extra weight
built into the control surface.
> >
> > Rick S.
> > 40185
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Reining" <wreining@gmail.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34:28 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
> >
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> > Paul
> > I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the
attached pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer.
Hope they help.
> >
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> > 40514
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| Subject: | Re: Question re. Electronic/Digital engine gages |
PS: Yes though, 220RV really was tough to fly with precision
as far as making the adjustments come out right to the
prop/MP.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> While doing transition training, the plane we flew was equipped with a
> digital EMS. There was a pretty significant delay between the actual
> throttle and prop changes made with the controls and the recording and
> display of the results on the digital/graphic MP and RPM gages. By
> 'significant' I mean enough so that If you were attempting to use the
> gages in real time to go from full throttle /RPM to cruise settings I
> would consistently 'overshoot' the desired setting because of the 'lag'
> in these instruments. For small adjustments the 'lag' was not as big an
> issue. After 8.1 hours, I got a little better as estimating the
> settings and then waiting for the gages to 'catch-up' but I still found
> it annoying and distracting.
> Mike S. said that ALL EFIS, EMS systems he has flown have the same issue
> and it's one of the reasons he prefers steam gages. I'm not flying yet
> so I don't know what I'll get with my OP's but I hadn't anticipated the
> delay/lag that it looks like I'll probably have.
>
> So for those of you flying, with the Cheltons , GRT's, AFS.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question re. Electronic/Digital engine gages |
I notice no such lag with the EIS6000 and Chelton.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> While doing transition training, the plane we flew was equipped with a
> digital EMS. There was a pretty significant delay between the actual
> throttle and prop changes made with the controls and the recording and
> display of the results on the digital/graphic MP and RPM gages. By
> 'significant' I mean enough so that If you were attempting to use the
> gages in real time to go from full throttle /RPM to cruise settings I
> would consistently 'overshoot' the desired setting because of the 'lag'
> in these instruments. For small adjustments the 'lag' was not as big an
> issue. After 8.1 hours, I got a little better as estimating the
> settings and then waiting for the gages to 'catch-up' but I still found
> it annoying and distracting.
> Mike S. said that ALL EFIS, EMS systems he has flown have the same issue
> and it's one of the reasons he prefers steam gages. I'm not flying yet
> so I don't know what I'll get with my OP's but I hadn't anticipated the
> delay/lag that it looks like I'll probably have.
>
> So for those of you flying, with the Cheltons , GRT's, AFS.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
Here's the spring bias rudder trim for the Rv-6:
http://bmnellis.com/BuilderIdeas/ruddertrim.htm
I've been thinking a lot about this during the build. I really would prefer
some form of spring bias system to avoid changing the balance
characteristics and construction of the rudder. I've thought about it a lot
but have been waiting until I have more of the rudder system installed to
get a better idea of function.
I'm very eager to see if others make any progress with a spring bias trim
system.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40716
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
And now for something completely different.
My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder. The
Van's aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised no
one has considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My Cardinal
177RG uses a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop a similar
fully mechanical spring bias spring system for the RV-10.
In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator that
applies (or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect rudder
trim. The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron trim may
be usable for the rudder trim.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
>
> Deems and I are working on a rudder trim system that will deploy a
> flush tab (similar to airline speed brake) into the slip stream on each
side of the rudder. I have a rough sketch not worthy of posting yet but I'm
sure we will keep the list informed as it develops. One thing for sure, it
will be a bunch easier to so during assembly than after the fact but we are
working on the after the fact version. I already have the aircraft and panel
wired for it, it's on the back burner until I can get the canopy top final
riveted. Look for for a good drawing and some pics in about two weeks. It
will use the Ray Allen servo. It works on paper, just need to carefully
start the layout and see where and how to fit it. The plan is for the
control to be tray mounted to allow access to the servo and linkage and the
actual control surfaces will be mounted using hinges, nutplates and screws.
The weight should be equivilent to Vic's setup. Of course there will be a
need to balance the rudder !
af!
> terwards to make sure there isn't a flutter issue with the extra
> weight built into the control surface.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Reining" <wreining@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34:28 PM (GMT-0800)
> America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed
>
>
> Paul
> I am also interested, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the
> attached pictures of the Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this
> summer. Hope they help.
>
> --------
> Bill (and Jon) Reining
> 40514
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139849#139849
>
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| Subject: | Extra parts for sale |
For the list, I have some extra parts available.
1. New Rivet head cable attach bracket (WD-415). Dummy me ordered 2 sets.
$38 plus $5 shipping.
2. New Rivet head door guide and pin set. Can't retrofit to mine at this
point. $86 plus $5 shipping.
Both Rivet head parts same price as Dave offers on the website.
3. 44 each new DensoW24EMR-C spark plugs for Lightspeed ignition. I pulled
my lightspeed off and replaced with conventional magneto. $100 including
shipping.
4. Lightspeed Plasma II+ ignition module with 3 coils for 6 cyl. Maybe 45
hours on it. The module went back to Klaus for checkout, and it checked out
fine. Turns out it was the timing pickup off the prop. Long story here, but
Klaus made me mad, so I pulled the whole lightspeed system and put a reliable
mag there. $225 including shipping.
I don't usually sell things, so don't have a way to take credit or paypal.
Old fashioned check has to do it.
Grumpy
N184JM
John Miller
109 Troon Way
Tullahoma, TN 37388
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Question re. Electronic/Digital engine gages |
I echo Tim.
Have not seen a problem with my GRT EIS nor the display on my Cheltons
either.
Grumpy
N184JM
DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 10/14/2007 9:07:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I notice no such lag with the EIS6000 and Chelton.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> While doing transition training, the plane we flew was equipped with a
> digital EMS. There was a pretty significant delay between the actual
> throttle and prop changes made with the controls and the recording and
> display of the results on the digital/graphic MP and RPM gages. By
> 'significant' I mean enough so that If you were attempting to use the
> gages in real time to go from full throttle /RPM to cruise settings I
> would consistently 'overshoot' the desired setting because of the 'lag'
> in these instruments. For small adjustments the 'lag' was not as big an
> issue. After 8.1 hours, I got a little better as estimating the
> settings and then waiting for the gages to 'catch-up' but I still found
> it annoying and distracting.
> Mike S. said that ALL EFIS, EMS systems he has flown have the same issue
> and it's one of the reasons he prefers steam gages. I'm not flying yet
> so I don't know what I'll get with my OP's but I hadn't anticipated the
> delay/lag that it looks like I'll probably have.
>
> So for those of you flying, with the Cheltons , GRT's, AFS.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Extra parts for sale |
John,
I'll take both the WD-415 and the door guide & pin set if they are still available.
>
> 1. New Rivet head cable attach bracket (WD-415). Dummy me ordered 2 sets. $38
plus $5 shipping.
>
> 2. New Rivet head door guide and pin set. Can't retrofit to mine at this point.
$86 plus $5 shipping.
See you're in Tullahoma, TN. I grew up in Killen, AL, moved to Iowa ~10 years
ago but it's amazing how hearing the names of the small towns in North Alabama
and Southern TN bring back the memories.
Anyway, let me know if these are still available and I'll mail you a check.
Doug
Finishing up the elevator trim.
QB Fuse and QB wings here in about a month.
Hope I can finish out the rest of the tailcone in 2-3 weeks
--------
Doug
RV7A flying ~500hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140009#140009
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| Subject: | Re: Extra parts for sale |
Email sent to your home regards door guides regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: GenGrumpy@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Extra parts for sale
For the list, I have some extra parts available.
1. New Rivet head cable attach bracket (WD-415). Dummy me ordered 2
sets. $38 plus $5 shipping.
2. New Rivet head door guide and pin set. Can't retrofit to mine at
this point. $86 plus $5 shipping.
Both Rivet head parts same price as Dave offers on the website.
3. 44 each new DensoW24EMR-C spark plugs for Lightspeed ignition. I
pulled my lightspeed off and replaced with conventional magneto. $100
including shipping.
4. Lightspeed Plasma II+ ignition module with 3 coils for 6 cyl.
Maybe 45 hours on it. The module went back to Klaus for checkout, and
it checked out fine. Turns out it was the timing pickup off the prop.
Long story here, but Klaus made me mad, so I pulled the whole lightspeed
system and put a reliable mag there. $225 including shipping.
I don't usually sell things, so don't have a way to take credit or
paypal. Old fashioned check has to do it.
Grumpy
N184JM
John Miller
109 Troon Way
Tullahoma, TN 37388
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder trim input needed |
At Van's home coming, there was a 10 builder with a spring bias system usin
g a trim servo motor. It was mounted in the tunnel between the two rear sea
ts, so I didn't get to see the mechanism. The biggest challenge was the inh
erent drag in the rudder system which was too great for the bias springs to
over come. So it was still a work in progress and a very interesting conce
pt.
Vern Smith (#324 cabin top)
> From: rv10@sinkrate.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV10-L
ist: Re: Rudder trim input needed> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:01:43 -0700> >
m curious if anyone has given any thought to a system that applies forces>
to the cables without any external tabs? It seems to me the cables could be
> cut into two pieces somewhere in the tailcone or tunnel and some sort of>
linkage could be created so that the pedals are always neutral but the rea
r> half of the cables that are attached to the rudder could be offset such
that> they make the rudder move a few degrees either direction. > > I have
a few ideas of some systems but I don't have a clue as to what would> work
or where to start. Just curios what other people have thought of?> > -Ben>
40579> > > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Rei
ning> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:34 PM> To: rv10-list@matronics.co
m> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed> > --> RV10-List messag
e posted by: "Bill Reining" <wreining@gmail.com>> > Paul> I am also interes
ted, but haven't done anything yet. I did take the> attached pictures of th
e Ray Allen display while at Oshkosh this summer.> Hope they help.> > -----
---> Bill (and Jon) Reining> 40514> > > > > Read this topic online here:> >
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139849#139849> > > > > Attac
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I'm getting to the point in my construction (about to join the
forward and mid-fuse) where I've got to make considerations for the
best installation of the interior... which will most likely be one
from Flightline. How are the side panel and floor coverings
attached? If an adhesive is used, is it safe to put directly on to
alclad, or do you suggest some kind of a primer to go down first?
To date I've done very little priming, but I am considering putting
something down inside the cabin as it's a likely place for spills
(I've got little ones... and a wife that will not travel without
coffee).
Are there specific areas that will not be covered by the interior
kit that I will need to paint?
Is there anything that those of you who have gone before would like
to have done at an earlier stage when access was easier?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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