---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/18/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:11 AM - Re: Baffling Question (Michael Wellenzohn) 2. 12:33 AM - Re: Re: Baffling Question (Werner Schneider) 3. 12:43 AM - Re: Baffling Question (Michael Wellenzohn) 4. 12:52 AM - Re: Re: Baffling Question (Chris and Susie McGough) 5. 05:31 AM - Re: Finish kit (johngoodman) 6. 05:58 AM - Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) (johngoodman) 7. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) (Tim Olson) 8. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) (Jesse Saint) 9. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh (Mr Luther Strickland) 10. 09:19 AM - Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) (dherring10) 11. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (MauleDriver) 12. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Rudder trim input needed (Ralph E. Capen) 13. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) (Tim Olson) 14. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh (Deems Davis) 15. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: Finish kit (Fred Williams, M.D.) 16. 10:42 PM - Re: Finish kit (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:46 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Baffling Question From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Thanks Tim & Jesse, I'll make it fit fat against the gasket. Michael BTW: does anyone have a picture of the Vetterman exhaust hanging? -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140586#140586 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:57 AM PST US From: Werner Schneider Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Baffling Question Michael, just make sure you hagd a silencer behind the Vetterman otherwise I'm afraid you will not pass the ICAO chapter 10 noise test requiered for Europe. br Werner Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > Thanks Tim & Jesse, > > I'll make it fit fat against the gasket. > > Michael > > BTW: does anyone have a picture of the Vetterman exhaust hanging? > > -------- > RV-10 builder (fuselage) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140586#140586 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Baffling Question From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Werner, thats one of my big unknowns since there are no noise measurments arount. I talked to Liese and they offer a system. But I don't have any data about noise emission. Thanks for the advice! Michael -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140589#140589 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:50 AM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Baffling Question Michael I will take a pic of exhaust and send in the morning if that is not to late? My bafling is against the metal not the gasket also. regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Baffling Question > > > Werner, > > thats one of my big unknowns since there are no noise measurments arount. > I talked to Liese and they offer a system. But I don't have any data about > noise emission. > > Thanks for the advice! > > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (fuselage) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140589#140589 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:07 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Finish kit From: "johngoodman" The canopy top comes with the QB Fuselage, as well. John -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse coming N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140601#140601 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:41 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) From: "johngoodman" Tim, Good data. By chance have you ever done any cruise numbers without wheel pants? Since I know I want to take mine to some unimproved strips for some fly fishing, I would probably be removing the pants. John -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140606#140606 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:33 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) As best I can remember it seems that the speeds went up about 12-15kts when I added wheel and leg fairings. I don't think you can easily use the leg fairings without some mods if you don't use wheel fairings, so you may lose that much if you have to take them all off. From what I understand though, you lose more on the legs than the wheels. Thanks for the reminder on the cabin top coming with the fuse today. I always forget that....since I got my fuse and finishing kit at the same time. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive johngoodman wrote: > > > Tim, Good data. By chance have you ever done any cruise numbers > without wheel pants? Since I know I want to take mine to some > unimproved strips for some fly fishing, I would probably be removing > the pants. John > > -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140606#140606 > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:59 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) In our testing, you lose about 12-18kts by removing the wheel pants and gear leg fairings. The higher number still had the brackets for the wheel pants on, since they cause a lot of drag out there in the wind. This was not very scientific testing, but those are the numbers that stick in my mind. Oh, and I don't think we had the axle nut extenders in (if that's what you call that thing that holds the main wheel pants on the outboard side). Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: johngoodman [mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:58 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) Tim, Good data. By chance have you ever done any cruise numbers without wheel pants? Since I know I want to take mine to some unimproved strips for some fly fishing, I would probably be removing the pants. John -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140606#140606 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:57 AM PST US From: Mr Luther Strickland Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh All... Per Deems request!! ...L. Jearl Strickland #214 --- Deems Davis wrote: > > > Don't be bashful Luther, post it here so we can all > drool! > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > Mr Luther Strickland wrote: > Strickland > > > > I've also opted for OP technologies. I've been > > working with Accuracy Avionics for about 8 months > now. > > The panel should be ready for me to pick up in > the > > next few weeks. If anyone is interested in a copy > of > > the drawings for the panel shoot me a note off > line to > > LJS2@pge.com. > > > > Jearl Strickland #214 > > > > --- Deems Davis wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> Patrick O'Neil has also ordered his OP Tech > systems. > >> > >> __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) From: "dherring10" Tim, Another great, motivating, trip write-up. You need to keep them coming mainly to help Lana realize why I am spending all that money! Thanks, Dwayne Herring 40506 Cabin top & doors (Yuck!) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140634#140634 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:06 AM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed Yes, a spring bias system. I've been thinking along the same lines for several reasons - but haven't even attempted to sketch anything out yet. I like the idea of not have an extra control surface whether a vane, brake, or tab. A mechanical setup suggest simplicity but that is not necessarily the case. My Maule uses a spring with a T handle on the panel to adjust it. At some point I'm going to get under the covers and look at that. It has worked well for me. The Vans rudder control design seems to present challenges for a bias spring because of the lack of tension on the system. I'll be installing that soon and will have a better sense of how that works. Good dialog - Thanks. Bill "went fly fishing off Montauk but anxious to get back to it" Watson Durham #40605 William Curtis wrote: > > And now for something completely different. > > My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder. The Van's aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised no one has considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My Cardinal 177RG uses a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop a similar fully mechanical spring bias spring system for the RV-10. > > In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator that applies (or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect rudder trim. The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron trim may be usable for the rudder trim. > > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:47 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed The RV6 manual aileron trim is a spring bias - I modified that design with the same servo as the elevator trim and put it in the hole where the aileron bellcrank hides. I'm thinking of a similar system with a couple of cables going forward, pulleyed up to a joining point for the springs with a pushrod from the servo to set the spring bias. My .02 Ralph Capen -----Original Message----- >From: MauleDriver >Sent: Oct 18, 2007 1:53 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rudder trim input needed > > >Yes, a spring bias system. I've been thinking along the same lines for >several reasons - but haven't even attempted to sketch anything out yet. > >I like the idea of not have an extra control surface whether a vane, >brake, or tab. A mechanical setup suggest simplicity but that is not >necessarily the case. > >My Maule uses a spring with a T handle on the panel to adjust it. At >some point I'm going to get under the covers and look at that. It has >worked well for me. > >The Vans rudder control design seems to present challenges for a bias >spring because of the lack of tension on the system. I'll be installing >that soon and will have a better sense of how that works. > >Good dialog - Thanks. >Bill "went fly fishing off Montauk but anxious to get back to it" Watson >Durham #40605 > >William Curtis wrote: >> >> And now for something completely different. >> >> My rudder trim will require absolutely NO modifications to the rudder. The Van's aileron trim system uses a spring bias mechanism and I'm surprised no one has considered using a similar system for the rudder trim. My Cardinal 177RG uses a mechanical spring bias system and I intend to develop a similar fully mechanical spring bias spring system for the RV-10. >> >> In the Cardinal, the mechanical trim wheel is turned moving an actuator that applies (or removes) pressure to the rudder pedal assembly to effect rudder trim. The same spring bias mechanism that is used for the aileron trim may be usable for the rudder trim. >> >> William >> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:39 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Latest Trip Write-up Complete (Atlanta/Orlando) Thanks everyone for all the on and offline comments. It was fun to take the trip and it's fun to tell the story. I completely know what Dwayne means, as keeping the wife and kids understanding that it's some day going to not just be a pain-in-the-butt-garage- space-waster can be tough. There are great rewards to be had for those who finish their -10! Next scheduled trips are Nellis, probably Florida again with different activities, and then perhaps something else this winter. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive dherring10 wrote: > > > Tim, Another great, motivating, trip write-up. You need to keep them > coming mainly to help Lana realize why I am spending all that money! > > Thanks, > > Dwayne Herring 40506 Cabin top & doors (Yuck!) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140634#140634 > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:16 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Op Tech panel at Oshkosh Swwweeeeeeeet! Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ do not arhive Mr Luther Strickland wrote: > All... > > Per Deems request!! > > ...L. Jearl Strickland #214 > > --- Deems Davis wrote: > > >> >> >> Don't be bashful Luther, post it here so we can all >> drool! >> >> Deems Davis # 406 >> 'Its all done....Its just not put together' >> http://deemsrv10.com/ >> >> Mr Luther Strickland wrote: >> >>> >> Strickland >> >>> I've also opted for OP technologies. I've been >>> working with Accuracy Avionics for about 8 months >>> >> now. >> >>> The panel should be ready for me to pick up in >>> >> the >> >>> next few weeks. If anyone is interested in a copy >>> >> of >> >>> the drawings for the panel shoot me a note off >>> >> line to >> >>> LJS2@pge.com. >>> >>> Jearl Strickland #214 >>> >>> --- Deems Davis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Patrick O'Neil has also ordered his OP Tech >>>> >> systems. >> >>>> > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:04 PM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Finish kit Everybody, thanks for the replies. Web site listed the finish kit at 48 inches wide. The actual box was 49" Just fit inside wheel wells. Saved hauling the trailer to Dallas and back (200 mi round trip). Now I need to get all this stuff attached and free up some room in the shop!. Fred Williams 40515. Is osh 08 a dream?? tAirMike wrote: > > I picked up mine in my Toyota Sequoia. It was very tight and the dog had to share the front seats with my wife and I, but we did it without anything on the roof rack. We could have strapped the motor mount up there if necessary. We packed very carefully and mercifully it was not raining in Aurora. The big gorillas are the seats, the motor mounts and the cowling. Everything else is manageable. The new fashionable pink cowling is a bit flimsy for the roof rack and was my big concern. But it all went inside. On a truck get good tarps to protect from wind and rain > > We also got the FWF kit at the same time > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140578#140578 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:40 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Finish kit From: "AirMike" I set a goal when I started 10 months ago to fly to OSH 08. It looks like it is getting harder to achieve. Engine coming in 60 days. Avionics seems to be the real bitch of this whole project. 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