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1. 04:15 AM - Fab plans (Chris and Susie McGough)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: RV10s to Copperstate (Tim Olson)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Fab plans (Jesse Saint)
4. 05:48 AM - Maybe useful (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
5. 06:47 AM - Vans Flap positioning system (McGANN, Ron)
6. 07:09 AM - Re: Vans Flap positioning system (Rick Sked)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: Steam Gauges (GRANSCOTT@AOL.COM)
8. 07:28 AM - Re: Vans Flap positioning system (n223rv@wolflakeairport.net)
9. 08:48 AM - Re: RV10s to Copperstate (Jeff Carpenter)
10. 09:38 AM - Re: Vans Flap positioning system (linn Walters)
11. 09:50 AM - Re: Fab plans (Rick Sked)
12. 10:14 AM - Re: WD-1002 / F1001B / F1040 Fuse channel rivet holes (Jae Chang)
13. 02:26 PM - Re: Fab plans (Chris and Susie McGough)
14. 03:13 PM - Re: Steam Gauges (Carl Froehlich)
15. 03:45 PM - Re: Fab plans (Rick Sked)
16. 09:13 PM - Re: RV10s to Copperstate (Robin Marks)
17. 10:34 PM - Re: Steam Gauges (Dave Saylor)
18. 11:11 PM - Re: Steam Gauges (AirMike)
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Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they
can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows
where they are now!
regards Chris
vhmum@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV10s to Copperstate |
At least one of my front wheel bearings also had developed a tear
in it, which didn't surprise me given the amount of looseness that
had developed in the whole assembly with the old style spacers.
I was able to buy them locally for under $25 for the identical
bearings. Sounds like a sweet deal for you though having them on field.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> Not me unfortunately.
> I want to go but I will be on a cruise. Trust me, I would rather be at
> Copperstate. Take lots of pictures.
> I am going to be at Nellis for the airshow if all my paperwork goes
> through without causing them to go to DEFCON 1.
>
> Tonight I finally finished my annual. Had to borrow Mike Howe's front
> bearings from his finishing kit. Both of mine had tears in the rubber.
> Matco is located 300 yards from my hanger and I'm going to talk with
> them this week and see what might have caused this.
>
> Anyone located at Van Nuys? Should be there Wednesday. Hopefully I get
> to land on 16R.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
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I don't have them digitally, but they come in the bag that the FAB parts
come in usually. Have you unpacked those parts recently?
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris and Susie McGough [mailto:VHMUM@bigpond.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans
<VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they
can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows
where they are now!
regards Chris
vhmum@bigpond.com
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I was looking for a way to cover the exhaust ports on the engine, while
it was hanging on the plane as we work our way through the Firewall
Forward section. I didn't have enough of those little custom covers
that bolt on, but I found that a common lid from a can of spray paint
works pretty well. You can flex it to get it over both bolt studs, and
the ensuing tension keeps it in place. I put some desiccant crystals in
the bottom of the lids for good measure.
TDT
40025
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| Subject: | Vans Flap positioning system |
Hey all,
Checked the operation of the flap positioning system tonight. Extend works
fine, but retract does not work. You can hear the relay clicking, but the
flaps do not retract. Connecting power directly to the flap motor drives
the flaps in the required direction. Flap positioner is the standard provi
ded by vans. Any clues?
cheers,
Ron
187 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Vans Flap positioning system |
Ron,
The FPS is controlled by three inputs of power. There is constant power to
the box, and then your switch provides power to two individual inputs, up a
nd down. You are not wired that way unless of course you have a defective u
nit as Deem's pointed out prior. So the unit get a ground, flap power, swit
ched power up and switched power down.
Rick S.
40185
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From: "Ron McGANN" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:46:16 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Vans Flap positioning system
Hey all,
Checked the operation of the flap positioning system tonight.=C2- Extend
works fine, but retract does not work.=C2- You can hear the relay clickin
g, but the flaps do not retract.=C2- Connecting power directly to the fla
p motor drives the flaps in the required direction.=C2- Flap positioner i
s the standard provided by vans.=C2- Any clues?
cheers,
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Steam Gauges |
In a message dated 10/21/2007 11:19:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jeff@westcottpress.com writes:
Who makes the best
compass
While one can do what one wants...I'd put in a Vertical Card Compass rather
than a an old style type if I intended to fly IFR.
P
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| Subject: | Re: Vans Flap positioning system |
If you ever hooked up the power backwards on the FPS, it burns out one
side of the electronics. It will work one way, but not the other.
Ask me how I know.... I got so used to hooking up directly to the motor
then swapping the leads to run it backwards, but you can't do that once
the FPS is installed.
> Hey all,
>
> Checked the operation of the flap positioning system tonight. Extend
> works fine, but retract does not work. You can hear the relay clicking,
> but the flaps do not retract. Connecting power directly to the flap motor
> drives the flaps in the required direction. Flap positioner is the
> standard provided by vans. Any clues?
>
> cheers,
> Ron
> 187 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: RV10s to Copperstate |
Hi Scott,
I've got an empty hangar at WHP you can park in if you want to land a
few miles East.
Jeff Carpenter
626-622-7716
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On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> Not me unfortunately.
> I want to go but I will be on a cruise. Trust me, I would rather
> be at Copperstate. Take lots of pictures.
> I am going to be at Nellis for the airshow if all my paperwork goes
> through without causing them to go to DEFCON 1.
>
> Tonight I finally finished my annual. Had to borrow Mike Howe's
> front bearings from his finishing kit. Both of mine had tears in
> the rubber. Matco is located 300 yards from my hanger and I'm
> going to talk with them this week and see what might have caused this.
>
> Anyone located at Van Nuys? Should be there Wednesday. Hopefully I
> get to land on 16R.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
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> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43:50 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate
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| Subject: | Re: Vans Flap positioning system |
Yup! You have a wiring error. Most likely at the relay contacts.
Linn
McGANN, Ron wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Checked the operation of the flap positioning system tonight. Extend
> works fine, but retract does not work. You can hear the relay
> clicking, but the flaps do not retract. Connecting power directly to
> the flap motor drives the flaps in the required direction. Flap
> positioner is the standard provided by vans. Any clues?
>
> cheers,
> Ron
> 187 finishing
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Chris, look in FAB itself. Mine were inside the package.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
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From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:13:59 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans
Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they
can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows
where they are now!
regards Chris
vhmum@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: WD-1002 / F1001B / F1040 Fuse channel rivet holes |
Les... yes, i would give Vans a call just to put your mind at ease. i
did. the 3/32" edge distance sounds and looks about right. i may even
have some of the furthest aft holes with even less edge distance. from
what i remember, i was told loads are mainly longitudinal and not
lateral here. thus, the rivets would break long before the steel. if you
do a lot of knife-edge maneuvers, then there might be cause for concern. ;)
i think you are referring to this area:
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec29_fuse_side_skins/photos/IMG_4637.html
calling Section 29 "frustrating", is putting it mildly!
jae
40533
floors
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Last night I started match drilling the holes in the WD1002 steel
> weldment that is attached to the firewall. Using the guide holes in
> the F-1001B as a guide and _after_ clamping the top WD-1002 flange to
> get the best edge clearance possible, I still only got a 3/32 edge
> clearance (measured from the edge of the rivet hole) on most of the
> holes.
>
> Given that that the weldments are steel and not aluminium is this edge
> clearance sufficient?
>
> The archives indicate that that these parts have been problematic for
> some. Based on what I read, I knew to be fairly aggressive in clamping
> the parts to get the most clearance possible. Interestingly, I did
> have to shim the side (towards the skin) WD-1002 flanges about a 1/8
> to get reasonable edge clearance. Even so, the maximum edge clearance
> would be just over 1/8 if the rivets were evenly spaced on the
> flange. This suggests that 3/16 spacing might be okay in this
> application.
>
> Personally, I think this is one area where the plans should give the
> builder a bit of a heads up as to what to do and what to expect.
>
> Any comments or should I talk to the Vans order desk yet again.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
>
> #40643 Frustrated in the fuse ..
>
> *
> *
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Yes nothing.
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From: "Rick Sked" <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans
>
> Chris, look in FAB itself. Mine were inside the package.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:13:59 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans
>
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they
> can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows
> where they are now!
>
> regards Chris
> vhmum@bigpond.com
>
>
>
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I bought the Van's catalog airspeed, tach and VSI, they work as advertised.
For the same price as an RC Allen electric DG, you can have a Dynon D10A
EFIS. Same size hole, same price, won't die after 400 or so hours, and
provides all the other indications as a backup bonus.
I pulled my RC Allen electric AI and replaced it with a Dynon D10A. Now I
have a much more reliable AI, plus DG, plus CDI/GS/HSI, etc.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (350 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Steam Gauges
I'll be using a few steam gauges to supplement my EFIS. We don't
seem to talk about these much, but are there preferred makes/models
of air speed indicators, altimeters and the like? Who makes the best
compass, or the best electric DG?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
about to join the forward and mid fuse...
N410CF (now a small light at the end of a very long tunnel)
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Chris,
Check your personal email. I sent them out to you.
Rick S.
40185
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From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:24:57 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans
Yes nothing.
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From: "Rick Sked" <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans
>
> Chris, look in FAB itself. Mine were inside the package.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:13:59 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans
>
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they
> can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows
> where they are now!
>
> regards Chris
> vhmum@bigpond.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV10s to Copperstate |
Scott,
I have a regular commute to Burbank and find flying into BUR much more
enjoyable & relaxing than VNY. Plus the people at Millionair treat us
like family. However can't beat an available hangar.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate
Hi Scott,
I've got an empty hangar at WHP you can park in if you want to land a
few miles East.
Jeff Carpenter
626-622-7716
Do Not Archive
On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
Not me unfortunately.
I want to go but I will be on a cruise. Trust me, I would rather be at
Copperstate. Take lots of pictures.
I am going to be at Nellis for the airshow if all my paperwork goes
through without causing them to go to DEFCON 1.
Tonight I finally finished my annual. Had to borrow Mike Howe's front
bearings from his finishing kit. Both of mine had tears in the rubber.
Matco is located 300 yards from my hanger and I'm going to talk with
them this week and see what might have caused this.
Anyone located at Van Nuys? Should be there Wednesday. Hopefully I get
to land on 16R.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate
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Jeff,
I have a 2.25" mechanical airspeed indicator from Van's. I like the concept
but it is 7-10 knots high. I have had success in the past having them
recalibrated but it has to go back for that. I'll do it during painting.
The only other "real" gauge is a vertical card compass. I think it's almost
as good as a DG, and no precession. They're a little finicky to calibrate
but with some patience the job is doable. Once set they're pretty accurate.
Mine is a PA-700.
OK, one more. I have an old fashioned Hobbs meter, for no other reason than
I can go back to the plane to get the time without powering everything on.
That comes in handier than I would have believed.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
Flying, 28 hrs, almost done with Phase I.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Steam Gauges
I'll be using a few steam gauges to supplement my EFIS. We don't seem to
talk about these much, but are there preferred makes/models of air speed
indicators, altimeters and the like? Who makes the best compass, or the
best electric DG?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
about to join the forward and mid fuse...
N410CF (now a small light at the end of a very long tunnel)
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| Subject: | Re: Steam Gauges |
I am getting my panel together right now. I also heartily endorse the PAI vertical
card compass. It got me out of hot water after a total electrical failure
in my Cessna 182. There is a mount for the cabin support bar and it is really
a great compass
I am going with AFS3500 but probably backing it up with the newer 2.25" gauges
Airspeed, Altimeter and Mid-Continent AI (expensive).
BIG IMPORTANT ADVICE get your panel together early on - I waited tooooooo long
and now I regret it. You need to cut out the sub panel on the fuselage front upper
for the avionics and you have to know early where to do the cut outs. I do
not want to do that job upside down.
I love the CNC and the design of my RV10, but it has four major flaws to my thinking.
1. The sub panel that I referred to above should be nut plated and removable to
easily install future avionics
2. The back floors should be nut plated and removable - check corrosion
3. the windows should be replaceable with an aluminum bezel not permanently affixed
to the airframe - too hard to replace and install
4. A side stick option would add value and sex appeal - making it a direct competitor
to Cirrus at $400K
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