---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/22/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:15 AM - Fab plans (Chris and Susie McGough) 2. 04:32 AM - Re: RV10s to Copperstate (Tim Olson) 3. 05:01 AM - Re: Fab plans (Jesse Saint) 4. 05:48 AM - Maybe useful (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 5. 06:47 AM - Vans Flap positioning system (McGANN, Ron) 6. 07:09 AM - Re: Vans Flap positioning system (Rick Sked) 7. 07:26 AM - Re: Steam Gauges (GRANSCOTT@AOL.COM) 8. 07:28 AM - Re: Vans Flap positioning system (n223rv@wolflakeairport.net) 9. 08:48 AM - Re: RV10s to Copperstate (Jeff Carpenter) 10. 09:38 AM - Re: Vans Flap positioning system (linn Walters) 11. 09:50 AM - Re: Fab plans (Rick Sked) 12. 10:14 AM - Re: WD-1002 / F1001B / F1040 Fuse channel rivet holes (Jae Chang) 13. 02:26 PM - Re: Fab plans (Chris and Susie McGough) 14. 03:13 PM - Re: Steam Gauges (Carl Froehlich) 15. 03:45 PM - Re: Fab plans (Rick Sked) 16. 09:13 PM - Re: RV10s to Copperstate (Robin Marks) 17. 10:34 PM - Re: Steam Gauges (Dave Saylor) 18. 11:11 PM - Re: Steam Gauges (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:20 AM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows where they are now! regards Chris vhmum@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:25 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate At least one of my front wheel bearings also had developed a tear in it, which didn't surprise me given the amount of looseness that had developed in the whole assembly with the old style spacers. I was able to buy them locally for under $25 for the identical bearings. Sounds like a sweet deal for you though having them on field. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Scott Schmidt wrote: > Not me unfortunately. > I want to go but I will be on a cruise. Trust me, I would rather be at > Copperstate. Take lots of pictures. > I am going to be at Nellis for the airshow if all my paperwork goes > through without causing them to go to DEFCON 1. > > Tonight I finally finished my annual. Had to borrow Mike Howe's front > bearings from his finishing kit. Both of mine had tears in the rubber. > Matco is located 300 yards from my hanger and I'm going to talk with > them this week and see what might have caused this. > > Anyone located at Van Nuys? Should be there Wednesday. Hopefully I get > to land on 16R. > > Scott Schmidt > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:58 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fab plans I don't have them digitally, but they come in the bag that the FAB parts come in usually. Have you unpacked those parts recently? Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: Chris and Susie McGough [mailto:VHMUM@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows where they are now! regards Chris vhmum@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:35 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Maybe useful From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" I was looking for a way to cover the exhaust ports on the engine, while it was hanging on the plane as we work our way through the Firewall Forward section. I didn't have enough of those little custom covers that bolt on, but I found that a common lid from a can of spray paint works pretty well. You can flex it to get it over both bolt studs, and the ensuing tension keeps it in place. I put some desiccant crystals in the bottom of the lids for good measure. TDT 40025 -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:43 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Vans Flap positioning system From: "McGANN, Ron" Hey all, Checked the operation of the flap positioning system tonight. Extend works fine, but retract does not work. You can hear the relay clicking, but the flaps do not retract. Connecting power directly to the flap motor drives the flaps in the required direction. Flap positioner is the standard provi ded by vans. Any clues? cheers, Ron 187 finishing "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:51 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans Flap positioning system Ron, The FPS is controlled by three inputs of power. There is constant power to the box, and then your switch provides power to two individual inputs, up a nd down. You are not wired that way unless of course you have a defective u nit as Deem's pointed out prior. So the unit get a ground, flap power, swit ched power up and switched power down. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron McGANN" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:46:16 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Vans Flap positioning system Hey all, Checked the operation of the flap positioning system tonight.=C2- Extend works fine, but retract does not work.=C2- You can hear the relay clickin g, but the flaps do not retract.=C2- Connecting power directly to the fla p motor drives the flaps in the required direction.=C2- Flap positioner i s the standard provided by vans.=C2- Any clues? cheers, Ron 187 finishing "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to =============== ==== ======================= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:52 AM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Steam Gauges In a message dated 10/21/2007 11:19:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jeff@westcottpress.com writes: Who makes the best compass While one can do what one wants...I'd put in a Vertical Card Compass rather than a an old style type if I intended to fly IFR. P ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans Flap positioning system From: n223rv@wolflakeairport.net If you ever hooked up the power backwards on the FPS, it burns out one side of the electronics. It will work one way, but not the other. Ask me how I know.... I got so used to hooking up directly to the motor then swapping the leads to run it backwards, but you can't do that once the FPS is installed. > Hey all, > > Checked the operation of the flap positioning system tonight. Extend > works fine, but retract does not work. You can hear the relay clicking, > but the flaps do not retract. Connecting power directly to the flap motor > drives the flaps in the required direction. Flap positioner is the > standard provided by vans. Any clues? > > cheers, > Ron > 187 finishing > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > your computer." > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:07 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate Hi Scott, I've got an empty hangar at WHP you can park in if you want to land a few miles East. Jeff Carpenter 626-622-7716 Do Not Archive On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote: > Not me unfortunately. > I want to go but I will be on a cruise. Trust me, I would rather > be at Copperstate. Take lots of pictures. > I am going to be at Nellis for the airshow if all my paperwork goes > through without causing them to go to DEFCON 1. > > Tonight I finally finished my annual. Had to borrow Mike Howe's > front bearings from his finishing kit. Both of mine had tears in > the rubber. Matco is located 300 yards from my hanger and I'm > going to talk with them this week and see what might have caused this. > > Anyone located at Van Nuys? Should be there Wednesday. Hopefully I > get to land on 16R. > > Scott Schmidt > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: David McNeill > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43:50 PM > Subject: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate > > > Any 10s planning to make Copperstate? > > > RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com="_blank" ========= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:06 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans Flap positioning system Yup! You have a wiring error. Most likely at the relay contacts. Linn McGANN, Ron wrote: > Hey all, > > Checked the operation of the flap positioning system tonight. Extend > works fine, but retract does not work. You can hear the relay > clicking, but the flaps do not retract. Connecting power directly to > the flap motor drives the flaps in the required direction. Flap > positioner is the standard provided by vans. Any clues? > > cheers, > Ron > 187 finishing > >"Warning: >The information contained in this email and any attached files is >confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended >recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any >attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email >in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been >taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, >however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the >sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus >checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to >your computer." > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:56 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans Chris, look in FAB itself. Mine were inside the package. Rick S. 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:13:59 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows where they are now! regards Chris vhmum@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:57 AM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: Re: RV10-List: WD-1002 / F1001B / F1040 Fuse channel rivet holes Les... yes, i would give Vans a call just to put your mind at ease. i did. the 3/32" edge distance sounds and looks about right. i may even have some of the furthest aft holes with even less edge distance. from what i remember, i was told loads are mainly longitudinal and not lateral here. thus, the rivets would break long before the steel. if you do a lot of knife-edge maneuvers, then there might be cause for concern. ;) i think you are referring to this area: http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/sec29_fuse_side_skins/photos/IMG_4637.html calling Section 29 "frustrating", is putting it mildly! jae 40533 floors Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > Last night I started match drilling the holes in the WD1002 steel > weldment that is attached to the firewall. Using the guide holes in > the F-1001B as a guide and _after_ clamping the top WD-1002 flange to > get the best edge clearance possible, I still only got a 3/32 edge > clearance (measured from the edge of the rivet hole) on most of the > holes. > > Given that that the weldments are steel and not aluminium is this edge > clearance sufficient? > > The archives indicate that that these parts have been problematic for > some. Based on what I read, I knew to be fairly aggressive in clamping > the parts to get the most clearance possible. Interestingly, I did > have to shim the side (towards the skin) WD-1002 flanges about a 1/8 > to get reasonable edge clearance. Even so, the maximum edge clearance > would be just over 1/8 if the rivets were evenly spaced on the > flange. This suggests that 3/16 spacing might be okay in this > application. > > Personally, I think this is one area where the plans should give the > builder a bit of a heads up as to what to do and what to expect. > > Any comments or should I talk to the Vans order desk yet again. > > Cheers > > Les Kearney > > #40643 Frustrated in the fuse .. > > * > * ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:21 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans Yes nothing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sked" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:50 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans > > Chris, look in FAB itself. Mine were inside the package. > > Rick S. > 40185 > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris and Susie McGough" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:13:59 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles > Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans > > > > Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they > can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows > where they are now! > > regards Chris > vhmum@bigpond.com > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:14 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Steam Gauges I bought the Van's catalog airspeed, tach and VSI, they work as advertised. For the same price as an RC Allen electric DG, you can have a Dynon D10A EFIS. Same size hole, same price, won't die after 400 or so hours, and provides all the other indications as a backup bonus. I pulled my RC Allen electric AI and replaced it with a Dynon D10A. Now I have a much more reliable AI, plus DG, plus CDI/GS/HSI, etc. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (350 hrs) RV-10 (wings) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: RV10-List: Steam Gauges I'll be using a few steam gauges to supplement my EFIS. We don't seem to talk about these much, but are there preferred makes/models of air speed indicators, altimeters and the like? Who makes the best compass, or the best electric DG? Jeff Carpenter 40304 about to join the forward and mid fuse... N410CF (now a small light at the end of a very long tunnel) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:17 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans Chris, Check your personal email. I sent them out to you. Rick S. 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:24:57 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans Yes nothing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sked" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:50 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fab plans > > Chris, look in FAB itself. Mine were inside the package. > > Rick S. > 40185 > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris and Susie McGough" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:13:59 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles > Subject: RV10-List: Fab plans > > > > Does anyone have a FAB (filtered airbox) plan and the Fab Bypass plan they > can email me . I think it would have come with those parts but who knows > where they are now! > > regards Chris > vhmum@bigpond.com > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate From: "Robin Marks" Scott, I have a regular commute to Burbank and find flying into BUR much more enjoyable & relaxing than VNY. Plus the people at Millionair treat us like family. However can't beat an available hangar. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate Hi Scott, I've got an empty hangar at WHP you can park in if you want to land a few miles East. Jeff Carpenter 626-622-7716 Do Not Archive On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote: Not me unfortunately. I want to go but I will be on a cruise. Trust me, I would rather be at Copperstate. Take lots of pictures. I am going to be at Nellis for the airshow if all my paperwork goes through without causing them to go to DEFCON 1. Tonight I finally finished my annual. Had to borrow Mike Howe's front bearings from his finishing kit. Both of mine had tears in the rubber. Matco is located 300 yards from my hanger and I'm going to talk with them this week and see what might have caused this. Anyone located at Van Nuys? Should be there Wednesday. Hopefully I get to land on 16R. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: David McNeill Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV10s to Copperstate Any 10s planning to make Copperstate? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com= " _blank" ========= - The RV10-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:15 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Steam Gauges Jeff, I have a 2.25" mechanical airspeed indicator from Van's. I like the concept but it is 7-10 knots high. I have had success in the past having them recalibrated but it has to go back for that. I'll do it during painting. The only other "real" gauge is a vertical card compass. I think it's almost as good as a DG, and no precession. They're a little finicky to calibrate but with some patience the job is doable. Once set they're pretty accurate. Mine is a PA-700. OK, one more. I have an old fashioned Hobbs meter, for no other reason than I can go back to the plane to get the time without powering everything on. That comes in handier than I would have believed. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com Flying, 28 hrs, almost done with Phase I. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: RV10-List: Steam Gauges I'll be using a few steam gauges to supplement my EFIS. We don't seem to talk about these much, but are there preferred makes/models of air speed indicators, altimeters and the like? Who makes the best compass, or the best electric DG? Jeff Carpenter 40304 about to join the forward and mid fuse... N410CF (now a small light at the end of a very long tunnel) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:36 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Steam Gauges From: "AirMike" I am getting my panel together right now. I also heartily endorse the PAI vertical card compass. It got me out of hot water after a total electrical failure in my Cessna 182. There is a mount for the cabin support bar and it is really a great compass I am going with AFS3500 but probably backing it up with the newer 2.25" gauges Airspeed, Altimeter and Mid-Continent AI (expensive). BIG IMPORTANT ADVICE get your panel together early on - I waited tooooooo long and now I regret it. You need to cut out the sub panel on the fuselage front upper for the avionics and you have to know early where to do the cut outs. I do not want to do that job upside down. I love the CNC and the design of my RV10, but it has four major flaws to my thinking. 1. The sub panel that I referred to above should be nut plated and removable to easily install future avionics 2. The back floors should be nut plated and removable - check corrosion 3. the windows should be replaceable with an aluminum bezel not permanently affixed to the airframe - too hard to replace and install 4. 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