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1. 03:49 AM - Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? (MauleDriver)
2. 04:06 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Tim Olson)
3. 04:08 AM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? (Tim Olson)
4. 05:08 AM - cabin top trimming (Chris Hukill)
5. 05:46 AM - Re: Static ports (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
6. 06:18 AM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: Stall warning location (Russell Daves)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (John Ackerman)
9. 07:30 AM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? (John Gonzalez)
10. 07:39 AM - Exhaust tips (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
11. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Tim Olson)
12. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Tim Olson)
13. 07:53 AM - Re: Stall warning location (johngoodman)
14. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
15. 08:00 AM - Fuel Valve Problem (Sam Marlow)
16. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
17. 08:11 AM - Re: FPS Lessons Learnt (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
18. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Mile High Aviation)
19. 08:27 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
20. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Tim Olson)
21. 08:31 AM - Re: FPS Lessons Learnt (Sam Marlow)
22. 08:31 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Tim Olson)
23. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Re: Static ports ()
24. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Deems Davis)
25. 08:51 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (William Curtis)
26. 09:05 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Sam Marlow)
27. 09:09 AM - Exhaust Extensions (Mark Ritter)
28. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Sam Marlow)
29. 09:20 AM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? (MauleDriver)
30. 09:31 AM - Re: Exhaust Extensions (Tim Olson)
31. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (William Curtis)
32. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Tim Olson)
33. 09:35 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Sam Marlow)
34. 10:03 AM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? (Tim Olson)
35. 10:04 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Tim Olson)
36. 10:11 AM - Best Prices Offered Anywhere (Mile High Aviation)
37. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Sam Marlow)
38. 10:18 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Sam Marlow)
39. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Static ports & alternate static ports (Chris Johnston)
40. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (James Hein)
41. 11:00 AM - Re: Best Prices Offered Anywhere (Jesse Saint)
42. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Tim Olson)
43. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Mile High Aviation)
44. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Static ports & alternate static ports (Tim Olson)
45. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Tim Olson)
46. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (Tim Olson)
47. 11:21 AM - Re: Best Prices Offered Anywhere (Tim Olson)
48. 11:22 AM - Re: Best Prices Offered Anywhere (Mile High Aviation)
49. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (David McNeill)
50. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Static ports (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
51. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Static ports & alternate static ports (Chris Johnston)
52. 11:41 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (William Curtis)
53. 12:07 PM - Re: Exhaust Extensions (Mark Ritter)
54. 01:34 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Neal George)
55. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Static ports (John Dunne)
56. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Static ports (Dj Merrill)
57. 01:48 PM - Door pins installation pictures needed (Michael Wellenzohn)
58. 02:08 PM - Re: Door pins installation pictures needed (Jesse Saint)
59. 02:34 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (MauleDriver)
60. 02:35 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Marcus Cooper)
61. 03:17 PM - Finger Strainer (Mark Ritter)
62. 03:26 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Chris and Susie McGough)
63. 04:54 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (John W. Cox)
64. 05:44 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? (Neal George)
65. 06:02 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Sam Marlow)
66. 06:06 PM - Re: Finger Strainer (Tim Olson)
67. 06:07 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Sam Marlow)
68. 06:13 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (bob.kaufmann)
69. 06:17 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Sam Marlow)
70. 06:19 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Sam Marlow)
71. 06:28 PM - Re: Finger Strainer (John W. Cox)
72. 06:42 PM - Re: Fuel Valve Problem (Chris and Susie McGough)
73. 06:51 PM - Postings To Matronics Lists (Matt Dralle)
74. 07:00 PM - Re: Postings To Matronics Lists (Matt Dralle)
75. 07:54 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? (MauleDriver)
76. 07:57 PM - Re: Best Prices Offered Anywhere (Patrick ONeill)
77. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Static ports (Kelly McMullen)
78. 08:12 PM - Re: Postings To Matronics Lists (Jesse Saint)
79. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Static ports (David McNeill)
80. 08:55 PM - plexiglass bond to fiberglass (eagerlee)
81. 09:13 PM - Re: plexiglass bond to fiberglass (Tim Olson)
82. 10:18 PM - Alternate static valve - Thanks, folks! (John Ackerman)
83. 10:18 PM - Andair valve (John Dunne)
84. 11:41 PM - Re: plexiglass bond to fiberglass (Michael Wellenzohn)
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? |
I've been reading the archives and otherwise trying to figure out a good
approach to replacing the stock valve. Generally seems like a good
idea. But many options exist and several approaches taken.
Purchasing the valve - direct from the factory I can get exactly what I
want in a few weeks if I only knew for sure
- Vans but with a fuel return and
possibly other options not needed for the IO540
- Neal?
I think I can cobble together an order or select an available valve
after some more research but I'd welcome recommendations. Seems like
everyone learned something after they made their decisions that would
point to some modification if doing it again.
I've seen Tim's and Deem's pages (Thanks again!) and the Aeroquip
hoses sound great. Anyone else have photos.
Bill "switching tasks everyday but with great joy" Watson
Durham NC
#40605
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
line from inside the cockpit.
Tim
AirMike wrote:
>
> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>
> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? |
I'd start with Neal first, and see what he can do. Then, if that
fails, just go straight to Andair and take the pain, but do a web
order for what you need. Order a foot of the valve extension
material. Once you figure what valve you need, and the
fittings on it, and get the extension, the rest isn't really
too bad to figure out on your own with the parts in your
hands.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I've been reading the archives and otherwise trying to figure out a good
> approach to replacing the stock valve. Generally seems like a good
> idea. But many options exist and several approaches taken.
>
> Purchasing the valve - direct from the factory I can get exactly what I
> want in a few weeks if I only knew for sure
> - Vans but with a fuel return and
> possibly other options not needed for the IO540
> - Neal?
> I think I can cobble together an order or select an available valve
> after some more research but I'd welcome recommendations. Seems like
> everyone learned something after they made their decisions that would
> point to some modification if doing it again.
>
> I've seen Tim's and Deem's pages (Thanks again!) and the Aeroquip
> hoses sound great. Anyone else have photos.
>
> Bill "switching tasks everyday but with great joy" Watson
> Durham NC
> #40605
>
>
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| Subject: | cabin top trimming |
Thanks guys for the input. With your advise, I have decided to postpone
any further cabin trimming until I have room to attach the tailcone. (I
already trimmed for the windows, windshield, and bottom flanges, and
that's enough fiberglass work for awhile, anyway!). I had previously
done the wheel pant, gear leg fairing, and intersection fairing work. I
agree totally that these chores are much easier to do with the fuselage
hanging in the air, from my Aerolift, and working while comfortably
sitting. So, instead, I am starting to work on the QB wings, and now
begins the process of researching a whole different set of issues. This
list shall be of great use during this process as well, no doubt.
Chris Hukill
winging it
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I have them and do not see an error, but I also do not have paint yet.
Tim did find that if you have them installed and paint both the plane
and the ports at the same time they still protrude, I think the problem
arises when a thick layer of primer/paint is in place causing the port
to not protrude as much. I made sure there was no primer between the
mating surfaces, and all layers of primer and paint will be applied
evenly on the outside.
After paint I will do more testing and follow up with the results.
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Static ports
I installed the Safeair static ports
(see Pics )
I've read/heard that the ports themselves need to project slightly
beyond the skin of the aircraft in order to function properly. These
project slightly, BUT VERY slightly.
1. Am I going to have a problem w/ accuracy in instruments?
2. Anybody flying with these have any experience?
3. If they are problematic? Is there something that can be done from the
outside of the a/c to remedy/fix or am I going to have to recruit and
elf to crawl into the tailcone for me?
It seems I recall John Cox posting some pics of a Cirus installation
where they actually had afixed a wedge shaped piece of metal just
forward of the port itself. Could a machined metal disc be affixed to
the outside of the skin over the existing port?
4. If replacement is in order what has experience led people
THANKS
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? |
I agree with Tim, this is exactly how I did it, even though I needed a
duplex valve with the return lines. I called Neal and he said to go
direct for the duplex valves and extensions. One caveat though is that
if you want two 90's so you can come in from each wing root without
crossing you will want Andairs new 90 degree elbow built in, they are on
the accessory page and you will have to call to get them rather than
just using the auto configure tool. If you go the auto configure route
you have to use two females and put in two 90 degree elbows and this
makes the valve to wide to fit in the tunnel, but if you use their new
built in fitting they fit with plenty of room left over.
Dan
N289DT RV10E flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources?
I'd start with Neal first, and see what he can do. Then, if that
fails, just go straight to Andair and take the pain, but do a web
order for what you need. Order a foot of the valve extension
material. Once you figure what valve you need, and the
fittings on it, and get the extension, the rest isn't really
too bad to figure out on your own with the parts in your
hands.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I've been reading the archives and otherwise trying to figure out a
good
> approach to replacing the stock valve. Generally seems like a good
> idea. But many options exist and several approaches taken.
>
> Purchasing the valve - direct from the factory I can get exactly what
I
> want in a few weeks if I only knew for sure
> - Vans but with a fuel return and
> possibly other options not needed for the IO540
> - Neal?
> I think I can cobble together an order or select an available valve
> after some more research but I'd welcome recommendations. Seems like
> everyone learned something after they made their decisions that would
> point to some modification if doing it again.
>
> I've seen Tim's and Deem's pages (Thanks again!) and the Aeroquip
> hoses sound great. Anyone else have photos.
>
> Bill "switching tasks everyday but with great joy" Watson
> Durham NC
> #40605
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stall warning location |
I agree with Tim's suggestion on closing up the wrong wing, however if I
had it to do over again I WOULD NOT install the stall warning at all.
Russ Daves
N710RV - 175+ hours and having a ball.
Time: 05:59:21 PM PST US
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Stall warning location
I'm not sure that it would make any difference at all, but if I
were
in your shoes, I'd probably feel just like you do. And, if I were
feeling that way, I'd probably proseal in a patch on the inside of
that slot, and then use filler to fill the slot back up and make
it
smooth again. Then I'd put the slot in the other intended wing.
No big deal.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
plevenda@jvlv.lv wrote:
> <paulevenda@mac.com>
>
> Well, count one for "candle moth syndrome". I pulled out my
first
> quickbuild wing yesterday, which was the right wing. I set it on
the
> table, removed the bottom skin and went to work. In the process,
as I
> got around to the leading edge, I noticed the two pre-drilled
holes
> for the stall warning vane. So I flipped to the page in the
manual
> and went to work cutting out an access hole and the slot for the
> vane. Only AFTER I had all that done did I remember I was
working on
> the right wing. It was also then that I noticed that Van's
pre-driled
> holes for the stall warning on BOTH wings. Oh and yes there is a
> caution note in the manual, but like I said, "Candle Moth"
>
> In all my years of flying I was never given a reason why the
stall
> warning is traditionaly on the left wing. So now do I accept an
extra
> access hole, patch up the slot on the right wing and start all
over
> again on the left wing, or is there any reason why the stall
warning
> would not still work on the right wing even though it is not in
the
> traditional location.
>
> -------- Paul Levenda #40090 N974LV
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be
open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't
seem to track down a suitable valve.
Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
John and Marlys Ackerman
40458 "finishing"
On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
> line from inside the cockpit.
>
> Tim
>
>
> AirMike wrote:
>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>
>
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? |
Dan is correct on the Andair built in 90 degree fittings. If your return
lines from the engine are 5/16" as is the case with the Subie, then you can
also go with a 5/16" straight female and get a standard AN 90 fitting that
is 5/16". This fits in the tunnel also.
JOhn G. 409 Found where I bought my strobe wire and found that socket
wrench. Life is good again!!!!
>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources?
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:16:28 -0400
>
>
>I agree with Tim, this is exactly how I did it, even though I needed a
>duplex valve with the return lines. I called Neal and he said to go
>direct for the duplex valves and extensions. One caveat though is that
>if you want two 90's so you can come in from each wing root without
>crossing you will want Andairs new 90 degree elbow built in, they are on
>the accessory page and you will have to call to get them rather than
>just using the auto configure tool. If you go the auto configure route
>you have to use two females and put in two 90 degree elbows and this
>makes the valve to wide to fit in the tunnel, but if you use their new
>built in fitting they fit with plenty of room left over.
>Dan
>N289DT RV10E flying
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:08 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources?
>
>
>I'd start with Neal first, and see what he can do. Then, if that
>fails, just go straight to Andair and take the pain, but do a web
>order for what you need. Order a foot of the valve extension
>material. Once you figure what valve you need, and the
>fittings on it, and get the extension, the rest isn't really
>too bad to figure out on your own with the parts in your
>hands.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>MauleDriver wrote:
> >
> > I've been reading the archives and otherwise trying to figure out a
>good
> > approach to replacing the stock valve. Generally seems like a good
> > idea. But many options exist and several approaches taken.
> >
> > Purchasing the valve - direct from the factory I can get exactly what
>I
> > want in a few weeks if I only knew for sure
> > - Vans but with a fuel return and
> > possibly other options not needed for the IO540
> > - Neal?
> > I think I can cobble together an order or select an available valve
> > after some more research but I'd welcome recommendations. Seems like
> > everyone learned something after they made their decisions that would
> > point to some modification if doing it again.
> >
> > I've seen Tim's and Deem's pages (Thanks again!) and the Aeroquip
> > hoses sound great. Anyone else have photos.
> >
> > Bill "switching tasks everyday but with great joy" Watson
> > Durham NC
> > #40605
> >
> >
>
>
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I see AIrFlow Performance is selling some stainless exhaust tips. Has
anyone considered or is using stainless tips from the automotive world?
TDT
40025
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
I used something very much like these:
http://www.valinonline.com/product.asp?prodid=2733
You can get them with various fittings, bulkhead mount them,
and they seal well and open with plenty opening to work
well.
My Beech's specified location for it was on the trim panel
by the pilots Left knee, similar to just above where
some Pipers put a fuel valve on the sidewall. I used that
concept for my -10 and mounted it just forward of the air
vents near the top of that trim panel. The lever is mounted
pretty close to the sidewall and it would be hard to snag
it open. I know some people put them in the actual panel,
but there's really no need to be THAT accessible. You
do want it in a place you can easily reach to activate
if your static ports freeze up.
http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_23-1325.html
You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
John Ackerman wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static system
> (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static system
> is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be open to
> the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't seem
> to track down a suitable valve.
> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
> John and Marlys Ackerman
> 40458 "finishing"
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>
>> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
>> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
>> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
>> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
>> line from inside the cockpit.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> AirMike wrote:
>>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
PS, search for "Toggle Valve".
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
John Ackerman wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static system
> (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static system
> is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be open to
> the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't seem
> to track down a suitable valve.
> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
> John and Marlys Ackerman
> 40458 "finishing"
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>
>> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
>> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
>> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
>> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
>> line from inside the cockpit.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> AirMike wrote:
>>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Stall warning location |
Paul,
I wouldn't worry about it. The only reason that I know of for the stall warning
being in the left wing is because of left hand patterns when landing. I'm not
installing the Van's stall warning, I'm going with AOA.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
In a message dated 10/25/2007 9:52:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
Tim,
Hard to break the face plate on the VSI as an alternate static air if you
have all glass!
Patrick
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| Subject: | Fuel Valve Problem |
I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
#40157
Van's standard kit.
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Safeair has a nice add on kit
Dan N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be
open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't
seem to track down a suitable valve.
Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
John and Marlys Ackerman
40458 "finishing"
On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
> line from inside the cockpit.
>
> Tim
>
>
> AirMike wrote:
>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>
>
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| Subject: | FPS Lessons Learnt |
Makes me glad it seemed cheesy so I went with the Aircraft Extras FPS. J
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FPS Lessons Learnt
He makes me glad I returned mine for credit.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FPS Lessons Learnt
Ron, that does indeed help but would be even better if you would recommend
components that us Amateur Radio types should kludge together to make a sup
erior product. Would gladly send you money to offset the professional repo
rt.
John Cox
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FPS Lessons Learnt
G'day all,
Checked the wiring of the Flap Positioning System again last night. As a p
rofessional Electrical Engineer, I confirmed that there was no wiring issue
and was convinced the FPS controller was stuffed. So I removed it and dis
assembled it. Here is what I discovered:
1. the controller consists of 2 relays, 2 diodes and two fusible links
. Cost of the components is about $15. The $225 cost of the unit is extor
tionate.
2. One of the fusible links had opened.
3. A check of the switches on the switch bracket indicated that the re
tract switch was not properly engaged by the positioning rod (ie the switch
was not closed)
So, when the flaps were originally activated, extend worked fine. Because
the retract switch was not properly engaged (probably intermittent), the fl
aps would not retract. If the flaps will not retract using the FPS, the o
nly way to retract them is to apply reverse voltage directly to the flap mo
tor. But if the FPS is connected, this will send power the wrong way throu
gh the control box and cause one of the fusible links to open.
In summary, there was no initial problem with the controller. The problem
was misaligned switches on the switch bracket. Manually retracting the fla
ps while the FPS was connected cooked the controller and rendered retract p
ermanently u/s.
So here are the lessons:
1. The electronics in the FPS are trivial. If you have an FPS problem
it will be very unlikely to be a fault in the controller.
2. If the flaps fail to extend or retract, confirm that the microswitc
hes are being properly opened/closed by the positioning rod along its trave
l.
3. use a molex or equivalent connector at the flap motor/actuator conn
ector so that the flap can be extended/retracted manually with the controll
er installed (but disconnected).
I can't see any really compelling reaon for the fusible links, so replaced
them with #28 wire - be buggered if I was going to spend another US$225 on
a repalcement unit. Checked the switch alignment and bench tested out ok.
Will reinstall the electronics in a new case and remount in the tunnel to
morrow night.
Hope this helps for those yet to install.
Ron
-187 finishing (probably forever!!!)
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
Safeair has a nice add on kit
Dan N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be
open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't
seem to track down a suitable valve.
Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
John and Marlys Ackerman
40458 "finishing"
On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
> line from inside the cockpit.
>
> Tim
>
>
> AirMike wrote:
>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Valve Problem |
If you have the fuel transfer between tanks then you have an issue with
your valve, the tanks are isolated from each other, even if you used the
standard Vans fuel valve it should not parallel the tanks and allow
cross transfer. Search the archives because there has been allot of
discussion about cross feeding the tanks for this very reason, if you
are on an angle/hill fuel will run over board through the low side tank.
I think there is a couple of builders out there that did cross feed
their tanks even though it is not recommended.
Dan
N289DT RV10E Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off
position.
Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
#40157
Van's standard kit.
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Yeah, the EFIS changes things a bit. Not gonna do much good if you
smash your EFIS. ;) Also, for backup instruments, a VSI is not
a commonly installed gauge. Yeah, it's got some useful info, and
as a primary instrument you'd definitely want one, but as a backup
separate instrument it's usually attitude, airspeed, TC, Compass,
and altimeter displayed in any number of ways.
I don't believe though that just because you CAN break the glass
on a VSI that it would be considered as having an appropriate
alternate static source.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/25/2007 9:52:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
>
> You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
> source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
> people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
>
> Tim,
>
> Hard to break the face plate on the VSI as an alternate static air if
> you have all glass!
>
> Patrick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FPS Lessons Learnt |
You can't go wrong with the FPS from Aircraft Extras, service is good!
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Makes me glad it seemed cheesy so I went with the Aircraft Extras FPS. J
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David McNeill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:56 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: FPS Lessons Learnt
>
>
>
> He makes me glad I returned mine for credit.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John W. Cox
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:21 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: FPS Lessons Learnt
>
>
>
> Ron, that does indeed help but would be even better if you would
> recommend components that us Amateur Radio types should kludge
> together to make a superior product. Would gladly send you money to
> offset the professional report.
>
>
>
> John Cox
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *McGANN, Ron
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:02 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: FPS Lessons Learnt
>
>
>
> G'day all,
>
> Checked the wiring of the Flap Positioning System again last night.
> As a professional Electrical Engineer, I confirmed that there was no
> wiring issue and was convinced the FPS controller was stuffed. So I
> removed it and disassembled it. Here is what I discovered:
>
> 1. the controller consists of 2 relays, 2 diodes and two fusible
> links. Cost of the components is about $15. The $225 cost of the
> unit is extortionate.
>
> 2. One of the fusible links had opened.
> 3. A check of the switches on the switch bracket indicated that
> the retract switch was not properly engaged by the positioning rod (ie
> the switch was not closed)
>
> So, when the flaps were originally activated, extend worked fine.
> Because the retract switch was not properly engaged (probably
> intermittent), the flaps would not retract. If the flaps will not
> retract using the FPS, the only way to retract them is to apply
> reverse voltage directly to the flap motor. But if the FPS is
> connected, this will send power the wrong way through the control box
> and cause one of the fusible links to open.
>
> In summary, there was no initial problem with the controller. The
> problem was misaligned switches on the switch bracket. Manually
> retracting the flaps while the FPS was connected cooked the controller
> and rendered retract permanently u/s.
>
> So here are the lessons:
>
> 1. The electronics in the FPS are trivial. If you have an FPS
> problem it will be very unlikely to be a fault in the controller.
>
> 2. If the flaps fail to extend or retract, confirm that the
> microswitches are being properly opened/closed by the positioning rod
> along its travel.
>
> 3. use a molex or equivalent connector at the flap motor/actuator
> connector so that the flap can be extended/retracted manually with the
> controller installed (but disconnected).
>
> I can't see any really compelling reaon for the fusible links, so
> replaced them with #28 wire - be buggered if I was going to spend
> another US$225 on a repalcement unit. Checked the switch alignment
> and bench tested out ok. Will reinstall the electronics in a new case
> and remount in the tunnel tomorrow night.
>
> Hope this helps for those yet to install.
>
> Ron
> -187 finishing (probably forever!!!)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
Which valve do you have....that doesn't sound right or good
at all...not even a little. With the Andair in place, mine
will die in short order once the valve is turned off, and
the wing tanks are always exactly where they were when the
last flight ended.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Sam Marlow wrote:
>
> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
> Thanks,
> Sam Marlow
> #40157
> Van's standard kit.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
SafeAir has a solution that should work.
What's on my Cherokee is the same valve as the fuel drain.
>
> From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
> Date: 2007/10/25 Thu AM 09:07:59 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>
>
> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
> system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
> system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be
> open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't
> seem to track down a suitable valve.
> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
> John and Marlys Ackerman
> 40458 "finishing"
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> >
> > One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
> > the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
> > right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
> > be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
> > line from inside the cockpit.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > AirMike wrote:
> >> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
> >> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
> >> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
> >> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
> >> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
> >> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
John, Safeair sells an alternate static port. It's a pretty simple
system. Just a plug that fits into a quick connect fitting also
available from MSC supply.
http://www.safeair1.com/index.htm
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Ackerman wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
> system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Valve Problem |
Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the standard fuel plumbing
there should be no transfer of fuel from one tank to the other. Also, consider
the length of tubing from the fuel selector to the engine; this should
allow only a few seconds of fuel for the engine to run.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
>
> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
> Thanks,
> Sam Marlow
> #40157
> Van's standard kit.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
I have the Van's standard valve, V407P-4.....
The aircraft is grounded untill I get this sorted out. I have talked to
Gus at Van's, and he said this is the first he's heard of a problem with
the valve. But that's what I here every time I contact them about any
problem!
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Which valve do you have....that doesn't sound right or good
> at all...not even a little. With the Andair in place, mine
> will die in short order once the valve is turned off, and
> the wing tanks are always exactly where they were when the
> last flight ended.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Sam Marlow wrote:
>>
>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
>> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off
>> position.
>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
>> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
>> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
>> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>> Thanks,
>> Sam Marlow
>> #40157
>> Van's standard kit.
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust Extensions |
Tim,
Do you still have the 6" exhaust extensions on your plane? Any update on b
enefits, if any?
Thanks,
Mark
RV-10/N410MR
Kit #40043<html><div></div>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
I have the Cleveland static ports, they have a 6 to 8 kt error, directly
compared to others while formation flying.
Sam
rv@thelefflers.com wrote:
>
> SafeAir has a solution that should work.
>
> What's on my Cherokee is the same valve as the fuel drain.
>
>
>> From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>> Date: 2007/10/25 Thu AM 09:07:59 EST
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>>
>>
>> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
>> system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
>> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
>> system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be
>> open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
>> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't
>> seem to track down a suitable valve.
>> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
>> John and Marlys Ackerman
>> 40458 "finishing"
>>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
>>> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
>>> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
>>> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
>>> line from inside the cockpit.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> AirMike wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>>>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>>>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>>>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>>>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>>>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? |
I've been running the auto-configure tool and it looks like they added
the 90deg elbows to it. So what I end up with is (2) built in 90deg
elbows, exiting the FS20x7 at 45deg angle forward, then with end of the
elbow angling 45 deg rearward. It still sticks out a ways, so I'm
going down to check the clearance now.
I'm thinking that the custom version that ZackRv8 posted pictures of
where the 90deg elbows are pointing downward along with the feed line to
the engine might be optimal from a width perspective. But the depth
issue is not clear to me at all yet. With the extension, I understand
you want it low enough to allow the 2" SCAT to fit on top, and I guess
high enough not to interfere with the elevator pushrod and stuff. Just
not clear on the total picture yet.
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
> I agree with Tim, this is exactly how I did it, even though I needed a
> duplex valve with the return lines. I called Neal and he said to go
> direct for the duplex valves and extensions. One caveat though is that
> if you want two 90's so you can come in from each wing root without
> crossing you will want Andairs new 90 degree elbow built in, they are on
> the accessory page and you will have to call to get them rather than
> just using the auto configure tool. If you go the auto configure route
> you have to use two females and put in two 90 degree elbows and this
> makes the valve to wide to fit in the tunnel, but if you use their new
> built in fitting they fit with plenty of room left over.
> Dan
> N289DT RV10E flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources?
>
>
> I'd start with Neal first, and see what he can do. Then, if that
> fails, just go straight to Andair and take the pain, but do a web
> order for what you need. Order a foot of the valve extension
> material. Once you figure what valve you need, and the
> fittings on it, and get the extension, the rest isn't really
> too bad to figure out on your own with the parts in your
> hands.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> MauleDriver wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been reading the archives and otherwise trying to figure out a
>>
> good
>
>> approach to replacing the stock valve. Generally seems like a good
>> idea. But many options exist and several approaches taken.
>>
>> Purchasing the valve - direct from the factory I can get exactly what
>>
> I
>
>> want in a few weeks if I only knew for sure
>> - Vans but with a fuel return and
>> possibly other options not needed for the IO540
>> - Neal?
>> I think I can cobble together an order or select an available valve
>> after some more research but I'd welcome recommendations. Seems like
>> everyone learned something after they made their decisions that would
>> point to some modification if doing it again.
>>
>> I've seen Tim's and Deem's pages (Thanks again!) and the Aeroquip
>> hoses sound great. Anyone else have photos.
>>
>> Bill "switching tasks everyday but with great joy" Watson
>> Durham NC
>> #40605
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Extensions |
I still have them on. I haven't spent the money and time for
the longer one-piece originals. I think it's nice that they're
longer, but I saw no differences in use. That's why I'm slow
to deal with buying the new pipes...it's more cosmetic
to me than anything else.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Mark Ritter wrote:
>
>
> Tim,
>
> Do you still have the 6" exhaust extensions on your plane? Any update
> on benefits, if any?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
> RV-10/N410MR
> Kit #40043
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
While this is an excellent idea and I try to model as much as I can on Type Certificated
aircraft which fall under FAR Part 23, our experimental RVs fall under
FAR Part 21. Now if this was mentioned under Part 91 (operations) that would
be another story. Experimental OBAM are bound by FAR Parts 21 and 91. So
while I'm sure we would also adhere to part 43 in maintenance of our OBAM, while
43.1 specifically excludes OBAM, it is probably still a good ides to follow
the guidelines in 43.1.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
> source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
> people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Qualify that a bit more though. Do you have the OLD Cleveland
ports with the flat face, or the NEW cleveland ports with the
domed face? The old ones had that amount of error, but I
see more like 2Kts with the new.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Sam Marlow wrote:
>
> I have the Cleveland static ports, they have a 6 to 8 kt error, directly
> compared to others while formation flying.
> Sam
>
> rv@thelefflers.com wrote:
>>
>> SafeAir has a solution that should work.
>>
>> What's on my Cherokee is the same valve as the fuel drain.
>>
>>
>>> From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>>> Date: 2007/10/25 Thu AM 09:07:59 EST
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
>>> system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
>>> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
>>> system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be
>>> open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
>>> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't
>>> seem to track down a suitable valve.
>>> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
>>> John and Marlys Ackerman
>>> 40458 "finishing"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
>>>> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
>>>> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
>>>> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
>>>> line from inside the cockpit.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AirMike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>>>>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>>>>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>>>>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>>>>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>>>>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
RV-10, of course. I'm well aware of the way the system works, I built
it, but I'm trying to get the word out, there's a fuel transfer problem
that's going to get someone hurt if it's not fixed. I've ordered a new
valve from the factory, not Van's, but until it's installed, MY RV10 IS
GROUNDED! There's no way enough fuel can be in the lines, on a stock
built RV10 airframe to run the engine for 10 minuets.
I contacted the factory, talked to Guss, but he just insults me with
redundant silly questions. I'm just the stupid pilot, builder, what do I
know about airplanes.
Sorry to dump on you William, I'm just frustrated with support from
Van's. I feel it's my responsibly to alert the RV10 builders of this
potential lethal problem, even if Van's won't!
Sam
William Curtis wrote:
>
> Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the standard fuel
plumbing there should be no transfer of fuel from one tank to the other. Also,
consider the length of tubing from the fuel selector to the engine; this should
allow only a few seconds of fuel for the engine to run.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>
>>
>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
>> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
>> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
>> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
>> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>> Thanks,
>> Sam Marlow
>> #40157
>> Van's standard kit.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? |
Surprisingly, I didn't find clearance to be an issue with the elevator
pushrod stuff. Having it down low enough for the SCAT tubing is
very nice though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I've been running the auto-configure tool and it looks like they added
> the 90deg elbows to it. So what I end up with is (2) built in 90deg
> elbows, exiting the FS20x7 at 45deg angle forward, then with end of the
> elbow angling 45 deg rearward. It still sticks out a ways, so I'm
> going down to check the clearance now.
>
> I'm thinking that the custom version that ZackRv8 posted pictures of
> where the 90deg elbows are pointing downward along with the feed line to
> the engine might be optimal from a width perspective. But the depth
> issue is not clear to me at all yet. With the extension, I understand
> you want it low enough to allow the 2" SCAT to fit on top, and I guess
> high enough not to interfere with the elevator pushrod and stuff. Just
> not clear on the total picture yet.
>
>
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>
>> I agree with Tim, this is exactly how I did it, even though I needed a
>> duplex valve with the return lines. I called Neal and he said to go
>> direct for the duplex valves and extensions. One caveat though is that
>> if you want two 90's so you can come in from each wing root without
>> crossing you will want Andairs new 90 degree elbow built in, they are on
>> the accessory page and you will have to call to get them rather than
>> just using the auto configure tool. If you go the auto configure route
>> you have to use two females and put in two 90 degree elbows and this
>> makes the valve to wide to fit in the tunnel, but if you use their new
>> built in fitting they fit with plenty of room left over.
>> Dan
>> N289DT RV10E flying
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:08 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources?
>>
>>
>> I'd start with Neal first, and see what he can do. Then, if that
>> fails, just go straight to Andair and take the pain, but do a web
>> order for what you need. Order a foot of the valve extension
>> material. Once you figure what valve you need, and the
>> fittings on it, and get the extension, the rest isn't really
>> too bad to figure out on your own with the parts in your
>> hands.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> MauleDriver wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've been reading the archives and otherwise trying to figure out a
>>>
>> good
>>> approach to replacing the stock valve. Generally seems like a good
>>> idea. But many options exist and several approaches taken.
>>>
>>> Purchasing the valve - direct from the factory I can get exactly what
>>>
>> I
>>> want in a few weeks if I only knew for sure
>>> - Vans but with a fuel return and
>>> possibly other options not needed for the IO540
>>> - Neal?
>>> I think I can cobble together an order or select an available valve
>>> after some more research but I'd welcome recommendations. Seems like
>>> everyone learned something after they made their decisions that would
>>> point to some modification if doing it again.
>>>
>>> I've seen Tim's and Deem's pages (Thanks again!) and the Aeroquip
>>> hoses sound great. Anyone else have photos.
>>>
>>> Bill "switching tasks everyday but with great joy" Watson
>>> Durham NC
>>> #40605
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
Once you get a new valve in there, disect the old one and
let us know what you find. It'll be interesting if it's
a valve-related issue with a seal or something like that.
Could prove valuable knowledge for maintenance later for
some people.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Sam Marlow wrote:
> RV-10, of course. I'm well aware of the way the system works, I built
> it, but I'm trying to get the word out, there's a fuel transfer problem
> that's going to get someone hurt if it's not fixed. I've ordered a new
> valve from the factory, not Van's, but until it's installed, MY RV10 IS
> GROUNDED! There's no way enough fuel can be in the lines, on a stock
> built RV10 airframe to run the engine for 10 minuets.
> I contacted the factory, talked to Guss, but he just insults me with
> redundant silly questions. I'm just the stupid pilot, builder, what do I
> know about airplanes.
> Sorry to dump on you William, I'm just frustrated with support from
> Van's. I feel it's my responsibly to alert the RV10 builders of this
> potential lethal problem, even if Van's won't!
> Sam
>
> William Curtis wrote:
>>
>> Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the standard fuel
plumbing there should be no transfer of fuel from one tank to the other. Also,
consider the length of tubing from the fuel selector to the engine; this should
allow only a few seconds of fuel for the engine to run.
>>
>> William
>> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>>> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
>>> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
>>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
>>> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
>>> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
>>> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam Marlow
>>> #40157
>>> Van's standard kit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
I have the new domed set. It helped, from the original flat units, they
were about 15 to 20 kts off. So newer is better, but still not very
close to accurate.
I saw Richard at OSH this year, and ask him about the error, he said the
positioning was just a best guess, and you can put them anywhere if it
works. He didn't have a problem on his 10, he though his was right on
the money. Richard is the kind of guy you can talk to, to bad the people
that answer the support line don't share this attribute.
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Qualify that a bit more though. Do you have the OLD Cleveland
> ports with the flat face, or the NEW cleveland ports with the
> domed face? The old ones had that amount of error, but I
> see more like 2Kts with the new.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Sam Marlow wrote:
>>
>> I have the Cleveland static ports, they have a 6 to 8 kt error,
>> directly compared to others while formation flying.
>> Sam
>>
>> rv@thelefflers.com wrote:
>>>
>>> SafeAir has a solution that should work.
>>>
>>> What's on my Cherokee is the same valve as the fuel drain.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>>>> Date: 2007/10/25 Thu AM 09:07:59 EST
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
>>>> system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
>>>> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
>>>> system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would
>>>> be open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
>>>> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but
>>>> can't seem to track down a suitable valve.
>>>> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
>>>> John and Marlys Ackerman
>>>> 40458 "finishing"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
>>>>> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
>>>>> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
>>>>> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
>>>>> line from inside the cockpit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AirMike wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>>>>>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told
>>>>>> me to
>>>>>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>>>>>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>>>>>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>>>>>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
I'll do that, thanks Tim.
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Once you get a new valve in there, disect the old one and
> let us know what you find. It'll be interesting if it's
> a valve-related issue with a seal or something like that.
> Could prove valuable knowledge for maintenance later for
> some people.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Sam Marlow wrote:
>> RV-10, of course. I'm well aware of the way the system works, I built
>> it, but I'm trying to get the word out, there's a fuel transfer
>> problem that's going to get someone hurt if it's not fixed. I've
>> ordered a new valve from the factory, not Van's, but until it's
>> installed, MY RV10 IS GROUNDED! There's no way enough fuel can be in
>> the lines, on a stock built RV10 airframe to run the engine for 10
>> minuets.
>> I contacted the factory, talked to Guss, but he just insults me with
>> redundant silly questions. I'm just the stupid pilot, builder, what
>> do I know about airplanes.
>> Sorry to dump on you William, I'm just frustrated with support from
>> Van's. I feel it's my responsibly to alert the RV10 builders of this
>> potential lethal problem, even if Van's won't!
>> Sam
>>
>> William Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>> Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the
>>> standard fuel plumbing there should be no transfer of fuel from one
>>> tank to the other. Also, consider the length of tubing from the fuel
>>> selector to the engine; this should allow only a few seconds of fuel
>>> for the engine to run.
>>>
>>> William
>>> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>>> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be
>>>> started taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the
>>>> off position.
>>>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped
>>>> off, fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump
>>>> precious fuel overboard through the vent line, but only on the
>>>> ground, I think, at least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sam Marlow
>>>> #40157
>>>> Van's standard kit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports & alternate static ports |
I was thinking about something along these lines:
http://www.asapmachineryrepair.com/airvalves2.htm
I couldn't remember where I had seen it, but this conversation had me
looking again. Found it in the archives searching "static". Seems
pretty sweet to me!
cj
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Curtis
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
While this is an excellent idea and I try to model as much as I can on
Type Certificated aircraft which fall under FAR Part 23, our
experimental RVs fall under FAR Part 21. Now if this was mentioned
under Part 91 (operations) that would be another story. Experimental
OBAM are bound by FAR Parts 21 and 91. So while I'm sure we would also
adhere to part 43 in maintenance of our OBAM, while 43.1 specifically
excludes OBAM, it is probably still a good ides to follow the guidelines
in 43.1.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
> source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
> people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Joe,
I think your CAPS LOCK is stuck on. Perhaps you might want to list a
new keyboard?
Humor intended. :)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>
>
> Safeair has a nice add on kit
> Dan N289DT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>
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> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
> system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
> system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be
> open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't
> seem to track down a suitable valve.
> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
> John and Marlys Ackerman
> 40458 "finishing"
>
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> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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>> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
>> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
>> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
>> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
>> line from inside the cockpit.
>>
>> Tim
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>> AirMike wrote:
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>>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
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As some have mentioned about other e-mails, I believe this is the type that
does not need to be on the list. Adding a list like this to a bulk mail out
is not right. Anybody agree that we should "unsubscribe" the RV10-List?
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: Mile High Aviation [mailto:joe@mile-high-aviation.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Best Prices Offered Anywhere
Mile High Aviation
We Will Not Be Undersold!
ASA Pathfinder CX-2 Electronic Flight Computer
CX-2 Flight Computer
Price $61.95
Retail Price $80.00
To Order Call: 401-228-6677
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
To me then it sounds as if you have something else wrong in
the system. First, your flat ports had lots more error
than other people with those ports. And now, your domed
ports have a similar amount of further error of of
domed ports. It sounds like there's something else inherent
to your airframe or static system that's causing the problem
right now. Have you thoroughly leak checked it?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Sam Marlow wrote:
> I have the new domed set. It helped, from the original flat units, they
> were about 15 to 20 kts off. So newer is better, but still not very
> close to accurate.
> I saw Richard at OSH this year, and ask him about the error, he said the
> positioning was just a best guess, and you can put them anywhere if it
> works. He didn't have a problem on his 10, he though his was right on
> the money. Richard is the kind of guy you can talk to, to bad the people
> that answer the support line don't share this attribute.
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> Tim Olson wrote:
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>> Qualify that a bit more though. Do you have the OLD Cleveland
>> ports with the flat face, or the NEW cleveland ports with the
>> domed face? The old ones had that amount of error, but I
>> see more like 2Kts with the new.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
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>> Sam Marlow wrote:
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>>> I have the Cleveland static ports, they have a 6 to 8 kt error,
>>> directly compared to others while formation flying.
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> rv@thelefflers.com wrote:
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>>>> SafeAir has a solution that should work.
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>>>> What's on my Cherokee is the same valve as the fuel drain.
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>>>>> From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>>>>> Date: 2007/10/25 Thu AM 09:07:59 EST
>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
>>>>> system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
>>>>> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
>>>>> system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would
>>>>> be open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
>>>>> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but
>>>>> can't seem to track down a suitable valve.
>>>>> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
>>>>> John and Marlys Ackerman
>>>>> 40458 "finishing"
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
>>>>>> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
>>>>>> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
>>>>>> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
>>>>>> line from inside the cockpit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AirMike wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>>>>>>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told
>>>>>>> me to
>>>>>>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>>>>>>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>>>>>>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>>>>>>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
LMAO.. Thanks for the information.. I will list one today. :) If any of you
need ANY product please give me an email or call I will gladly help.. and my
prices are not to be beaten.
Joe AT mile-high-aviation.com 401-228-6677
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
Joe,
I think your CAPS LOCK is stuck on. Perhaps you might want to list a
new keyboard?
Humor intended. :)
Mile High Aviation wrote:
<joe@mile-high-aviation.com>
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> PLEASE CHECK OUT WWW.MILE-HIGH-AVIATION.COM FOR ALL YOUR PILOT AND
AIRCRAFT
> SUPPLY NEEDS. IF IT IS NOT LISTED I CAN ORDER IT.. NEW PRODUCTS LISTED
EVERY
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>
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> Safeair has a nice add on kit
> Dan N289DT
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>
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> Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static
> system (1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
> normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static
> system is only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be
> open to the cabin OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
> I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't
> seem to track down a suitable valve.
> Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
> John and Marlys Ackerman
> 40458 "finishing"
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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>> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in
>> the cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is
>> right about the tubing routing, however. An alternate static can
>> be installed many ways, but it's just a way of opening the static
>> line from inside the cockpit.
>>
>> Tim
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>> AirMike wrote:
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>>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports & alternate static ports |
Yeah, it would work. The hardest part is that you'll have to
find one that's easy to adapt to your tubing type. But the
size of the opening required isn't very large, and that concept
would work nicely.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Chris Johnston wrote:
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> I was thinking about something along these lines:
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> http://www.asapmachineryrepair.com/airvalves2.htm
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> I couldn't remember where I had seen it, but this conversation had me
> looking again. Found it in the archives searching "static". Seems
> pretty sweet to me!
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> cj
> do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
> Curtis
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:40 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
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> While this is an excellent idea and I try to model as much as I can on
> Type Certificated aircraft which fall under FAR Part 23, our
> experimental RVs fall under FAR Part 21. Now if this was mentioned
> under Part 91 (operations) that would be another story. Experimental
> OBAM are bound by FAR Parts 21 and 91. So while I'm sure we would also
> adhere to part 43 in maintenance of our OBAM, while 43.1 specifically
> excludes OBAM, it is probably still a good ides to follow the guidelines
> in 43.1.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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> -------- Original Message --------
>> You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
>> source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
>> people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Looks like we're going to be blasted by a spammer here.
I see not only do we get the all-caps post, but now we
get more unrequested product info, and I got a personal
email of the same, obviously a harvested address.
When will people learn that this is a sure-fire way
to lose chances at business?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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James Hein wrote:
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> Joe,
> I think your CAPS LOCK is stuck on. Perhaps you might want to list a
> new keyboard?
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> Humor intended. :)
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> Mile High Aviation wrote:
>> <joe@mile-high-aviation.com>
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>> PLEASE CHECK OUT WWW.MILE-HIGH-AVIATION.COM FOR ALL YOUR PILOT AND
>> AIRCRAFT
>> SUPPLY NEEDS. IF IT IS NOT LISTED I CAN ORDER IT.. NEW PRODUCTS LISTED
>> EVERY
>> HOUR.
>> 401-228-6677
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Joe, if you're legit, why spam everyone one every list and everyone to
their personal emails as well, AND, at the bottom of the email, you
don't even have a valid and legitimate Unsubscribe link.
This is the kind of thing that will bring you a very bad name.
Also, nice that you know enough to be "Joe AT mile-high-aviation.com"
to try to keep YOUR name off the spammer's lists, but when YOU'RE
the spammer, you'll harvest them all. Joe@mile-high-aviation.com
This kind of business posting isn't the kind people are looking for.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Mile High Aviation wrote:
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> LMAO.. Thanks for the information.. I will list one today. :) If any of you
> need ANY product please give me an email or call I will gladly help.. and my
> prices are not to be beaten.
>
> Joe AT mile-high-aviation.com 401-228-6677
>
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Too bad the unsubscribe link isn't real.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> As some have mentioned about other e-mails, I believe this is the type
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> mail out is not right. Anybody agree that we should unsubscribe the
> RV10-List?
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> Jesse Saint
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> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
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> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com>
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> Cell: 352-427-0285
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> Fax: 815-377-3694
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> *From:* Mile High Aviation [mailto:joe@mile-high-aviation.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:16 PM
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Please do remove.. Not sure how this address got into my addy book.. Thanks
for your help.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Best Prices Offered Anywhere
As some have mentioned about other e-mails, I believe this is the type that
does not need to be on the list. Adding a list like this to a bulk mail out
is not right. Anybody agree that we should "unsubscribe" the RV10-List?
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: Mile High Aviation [mailto:joe@mile-high-aviation.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Best Prices Offered Anywhere
Mile High Aviation
We Will Not Be Undersold!
ASA Pathfinder CX-2 Electronic Flight Computer
CX-2 Flight Computer
Price $61.95
Retail Price $80.00
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Try a curtiss valve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
Does anybody have a source for a valve that will open the static system
(1/4" Tygothane plastic tubing in our case) to cabin air?
normal position would be "closed" of course, so that the static system is
only open to the static ports. Alternate position would be open to the cabin
OR to both the cabin and the static ports.
I'd like to mount one on the far right side of the panel, but can't seem to
track down a suitable valve.
Any leads will be greatly appreciated.
John and Marlys Ackerman
40458 "finishing"
On Oct 25, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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> One pair works fine. What you really want is ALTERNATE static in the
> cockpit, as a pilot-controllable item. Your friend is right about the
> tubing routing, however. An alternate static can be installed many
> ways, but it's just a way of opening the static line from inside the
> cockpit.
>
> Tim
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> AirMike wrote:
>> I was told that I should put an extra set (making 4) static ports
>> with two dedicated to the TruTrak autopilot. My A&P friend told me to
>> rig each set with the ports on each side of the tail cone and the
>> connection fittings arching over the top of the tail cone. this arch
>> prevents water from accumulating in the fittings.
>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141648#141648
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Yep, I'll never use them. I shot an email to Matt and I suggest others do also
so he get's banned before we get much more. I also submitted the domain to my
blacklist providers.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
Looks like we're going to be blasted by a spammer here.
I see not only do we get the all-caps post, but now we
get more unrequested product info, and I got a personal
email of the same, obviously a harvested address.
When will people learn that this is a sure-fire way
to lose chances at business?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
James Hein wrote:
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> Joe,
> I think your CAPS LOCK is stuck on. Perhaps you might want to list a
> new keyboard?
>
> Humor intended. :)
>
> Mile High Aviation wrote:
>> <joe@mile-high-aviation.com>
>>
>> PLEASE CHECK OUT WWW.MILE-HIGH-AVIATION.COM FOR ALL YOUR PILOT AND
>> AIRCRAFT
>> SUPPLY NEEDS. IF IT IS NOT LISTED I CAN ORDER IT.. NEW PRODUCTS LISTED
>> EVERY
>> HOUR.
>> 401-228-6677
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports & alternate static ports |
http://www.clippard.com/store/display_details.asp?sku=MTV-3P#
I ordered this one, and I think what I'll do is use the safeair
pitot/static kit, which I think has a female 1/8 npt connector in there
(I'll have to check) to hook up to the inlet of the switch and just
block off one of the outlets with a plug. If my pitot/static kit from
safeair doesn't have the female NPT connection, I know they have them,
so I'll just order one extra. I checked their website, and see them on
there. then I'll finally have an excuse to use one of those cool toggle
switch protector thingys with that awesome 1960's NASA style! Hooray!
cj
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports & alternate static ports
Yeah, it would work. The hardest part is that you'll have to
find one that's easy to adapt to your tubing type. But the
size of the opening required isn't very large, and that concept
would work nicely.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Chris Johnston wrote:
<CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
> I was thinking about something along these lines:
>
> http://www.asapmachineryrepair.com/airvalves2.htm
>
> I couldn't remember where I had seen it, but this conversation had me
> looking again. Found it in the archives searching "static". Seems
> pretty sweet to me!
>
> cj
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
> Curtis
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:40 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>
>
> While this is an excellent idea and I try to model as much as I can on
> Type Certificated aircraft which fall under FAR Part 23, our
> experimental RVs fall under FAR Part 21. Now if this was mentioned
> under Part 91 (operations) that would be another story. Experimental
> OBAM are bound by FAR Parts 21 and 91. So while I'm sure we would
also
> adhere to part 43 in maintenance of our OBAM, while 43.1 specifically
> excludes OBAM, it is probably still a good ides to follow the
guidelines
> in 43.1.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>> You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
>> source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
>> people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
Sam,
Not a problem, that question was posed with tongue planted firmly in cheek:-)
Do not archive.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> RV-10, of course. I'm well aware of the way the system works, I built
> it, but I'm trying to get the word out, there's a fuel transfer problem
> that's going to get someone hurt if it's not fixed. I've ordered a new
> valve from the factory, not Van's, but until it's installed, MY RV10 IS
> GROUNDED! There's no way enough fuel can be in the lines, on a stock
> built RV10 airframe to run the engine for 10 minuets.
> I contacted the factory, talked to Guss, but he just insults me with
> redundant silly questions. I'm just the stupid pilot, builder, what do I
> know about airplanes.
> Sorry to dump on you William, I'm just frustrated with support from
> Van's. I feel it's my responsibly to alert the RV10 builders of this
> potential lethal problem, even if Van's won't!
> Sam
>
> William Curtis wrote:
> >
> > Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the standard fuel
plumbing there should be no transfer of fuel from one tank to the other. Also,
consider the length of tubing from the fuel selector to the engine; this should
allow only a few seconds of fuel for the engine to run.
> >
> > William
> > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> >
> >> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
> >> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
> >> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
> >> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
> >> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
> >> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Sam Marlow
> >> #40157
> >> Van's standard kit.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Exhaust Extensions |
Just heard from Larry Vetterman and he believes the pipes should extend abo
ut 5". He also told if there was no exhaust stains directly behind the pip
es they were the right length and adding length would only increase drag.
Mark
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t message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>> > I still have them on. I
haven't spent the money and time for> the longer one-piece originals. I thi
nk it's nice that they're> longer, but I saw no differences in use. That's
why I'm slow> to deal with buying the new pipes...it's more cosmetic> to me
than anything else.> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> do not archive>
> > Mark Ritter wrote:> > > > > > Tim,> > > > Do you still have the 6" exha
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| Subject: | Fuel Valve Problem |
Sam -
Yank that valve and throw it under your bench.
It will make a very nice spider habitat.
Get yourself an Andair FS20X7-T.
Neal
=================
I have the Van's standard valve, V407P-4.....
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
In Australia, Tc'd or otherwise a set of balanced static ports satisfies the
requirement for alternate air ( IFR). It would surprise me if we didn't copy
that info from the FAR's somewhere.
John 40315
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
>
> While this is an excellent idea and I try to model as much as I can on
> Type Certificated aircraft which fall under FAR Part 23, our experimental
> RVs fall under FAR Part 21. Now if this was mentioned under Part 91
> (operations) that would be another story. Experimental OBAM are bound by
> FAR Parts 21 and 91. So while I'm sure we would also adhere to part 43 in
> maintenance of our OBAM, while 43.1 specifically excludes OBAM, it is
> probably still a good ides to follow the guidelines in 43.1.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
>> source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
>> people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Also, nice that you know enough to be "Joe AT mile-high-aviation.com"
> to try to keep YOUR name off the spammer's lists, but when YOU'RE
> the spammer, you'll harvest them all. Joe@mile-high-aviation.com
>
> This kind of business posting isn't the kind people are looking for.
>
Tim, I couldn't agree more. When I saw the first posting, I was a bit
annoyed. When I saw that a few other mailing lists that I am on also
got spammed by the same message, I got downright ticked off. Joe, or
whomever you might really be, this is definitely one way to ensure you
won't get any business from the people on these mailing lists. SPAM =
EVIL. Please stop.
-Dj
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| Subject: | Door pins installation pictures needed |
Hello,
since I didn't give up on the Rivethead door-pin set I want to proceed with my
door installation. could some one post pictures of the installed door pins and
what changes are required to the original setup.
I am currently installing Steve DiNieris door handles and want to make sure that
I don't do something irreversible for the Rivethead door-pin set up.
Best Regards
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (fuselage)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141801#141801
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| Subject: | Door pins installation pictures needed |
An overall suggestion:
When building the doors and installing the pins, if you put a shim under the
nylon block on the door, that will put the pin further in on the door frame,
making it less necessary to trim the nylon block on the door frame. Also, I
suggest putting the door seal on the door, even if temporarily, before doing
this. Many have seen how hard it is to close the doors with the seals on if
they were originally fit without the seals. If the seals hold the door out
a little, then that can be made to fit when doing the filling and prepping
for paint.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wellenzohn [mailto:rv-10@wellenzohn.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door pins installation pictures needed
Hello,
since I didn't give up on the Rivethead door-pin set I want to proceed with
my door installation. could some one post pictures of the installed door
pins and what changes are required to the original setup.
I am currently installing Steve DiNieris door handles and want to make sure
that I don't do something irreversible for the Rivethead door-pin set up.
Best Regards
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (fuselage)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141801#141801
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
For reference, minutes ago, I placed an order for an Andair EFS20B7-T.
It has the 2 90deg elbows oriented downwards so the valve fits within
the width of the tunnel and an extension so the SCAT can go over the
valve.
Thanks to all for the help.
Neal George wrote:
>
> Sam -
>
> Yank that valve and throw it under your bench.
> It will make a very nice spider habitat.
>
> Get yourself an Andair FS20X7-T.
>
> Neal
>
> =================
>
> I have the Van's standard valve, V407P-4.....
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Valve Problem |
That brings up a good question. Has anyone done the standard to Andair fuel
valve conversion with a finished airplane? I've thought about doing it but
wonder what might be involved in changing the plumbing around.
Different note for Sam, I found if my machine is topped off I'll vent some
fuel so I always stop about 1" from a full top-off. Fuel transferring from
one side to another is the sign of a big problem in my opinion.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
Sam -
Yank that valve and throw it under your bench.
It will make a very nice spider habitat.
Get yourself an Andair FS20X7-T.
Neal
=================
I have the Van's standard valve, V407P-4.....
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After 150 hours the finger strainer in the right tank sprung a leak. Remov
ed the fitting, cleaned the threads, applied fuelube and reinstalled. Stil
l leaked. Put in new fitting and the leaked stopped. Go figure.
I was getting a faint wiff of avgas in the cabin that caused me to investig
ate. Found fuel stains on the bottom right wing fairing. After draining t
he right tank we place a balloon on the fuel vent line and put air in the t
ank via the fuel drain fitting. We then put liquid soap where we believed
the leak was and found bubbles around the finger strainer.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
Sam just wondering did all the basic tests , did you test your fuel selecter
for correct fuel flows etc. I mean fill one tank then time the fuel flow
switch to the other nothing shoud come out? Off position , nothing comes
out.Empty the tank repeat other side?
Time the fuel flows. Just wondering if its just your valve only. I didnt
want to go a spend more money if not needed. I am not at the point were I
can test the valve.
I am probably missing something as usual so feel free to point me in the
right direction
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Marlow" <sam@fr8dog.net>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
>
> I have the Van's standard valve, V407P-4.....
> The aircraft is grounded untill I get this sorted out. I have talked to
> Gus at Van's, and he said this is the first he's heard of a problem with
> the valve. But that's what I here every time I contact them about any
> problem!
> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Which valve do you have....that doesn't sound right or good
>> at all...not even a little. With the Andair in place, mine
>> will die in short order once the valve is turned off, and
>> the wing tanks are always exactly where they were when the
>> last flight ended.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam Marlow wrote:
>>>
>>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
>>> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off
>>> position.
>>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
>>> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
>>> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
>>> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam Marlow
>>> #40157
>>> Van's standard kit.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Valve Problem |
Sam, you are the kind of pilot we should all strive to emulate. Fuel
Shutoff is exactly that. Good luck returning safely to the air soon.
John Cox
#40600
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
RV-10, of course. I'm well aware of the way the system works, I built
it, but I'm trying to get the word out, there's a fuel transfer problem
that's going to get someone hurt if it's not fixed. I've ordered a new
valve from the factory, not Van's, but until it's installed, MY RV10 IS
GROUNDED! There's no way enough fuel can be in the lines, on a stock
built RV10 airframe to run the engine for 10 minuets.
I contacted the factory, talked to Guss, but he just insults me with
redundant silly questions. I'm just the stupid pilot, builder, what do I
know about airplanes.
Sorry to dump on you William, I'm just frustrated with support from
Van's. I feel it's my responsibly to alert the RV10 builders of this
potential lethal problem, even if Van's won't!
Sam
William Curtis wrote:
<mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the standard
fuel plumbing there should be no transfer of fuel from one tank to the
other. Also, consider the length of tubing from the fuel selector to the
engine; this should allow only a few seconds of fuel for the engine to
run.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com> <mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com>
<mailto:sam@fr8dog.net>
I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be
started
taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off
position.
Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped
off,
fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious
fuel
overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I
think, at
least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
#40157
Van's standard kit.
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? |
Weeeell...dernit....what's a feller to do.
For the record - I was selling valves at my cost as a service to our
community. I quit handling Andair products because Van's started selling
valves cheaper than I could buy them, and I had to eat a case of $225
valves.
I'd like nothing more than to renew my relationship with Andair. In the
last week I've had enough inquiries to warrant consideration. Ultimately,
it's up to y'all. I haven't checked lately, but given the current exchange
rate, I expect base valves are going to run upwards of $240. Extensions add
about $75. Tack on international shipping (not cheap) and USPS ($6) - last
time I ordered, it cost me over $100 to ship a shoe box full of valves from
England to Alabama.
I'll need to place orders of AT LEAST 12 units at a time to make it worth
Andy's trouble.
If y'all are willing:
I'll handle ONE valve style - FS20X7-T.
I'll try to keep a few extension kits and extra inlet fittings on hand.
If our rotary or Sube friends want duplex valves, we'll work that out, too.
IT WILL NOT BE FAST - but you WILL get what you asked for.
The price WILL fluctuate with the exchange rate.
I have no intention or interest in making a buck off of this offer. Valves
will cost you a few pennies more that it costs me to drop one at the Post
Office. (Meaning, that if it costs me $200 to buy the valve, $120 to ship a
dozen from England, and $6.50 to put a stamp on it, I'll ask for $220.
Insurance costs a little more, UPS costs a lot more.)
I'll contact Andair in the next few days and see what we can work out.
In the mean time, if you'd like an Andair FS20X7-T valve, send a note direct
to ( neal at appaero.com ). If you want an extension, say so. Be prepared
to write a check - I simply don't have the cash on hand to front a $3000+
order.
Neal E. George
2023 Everglades Drive
Navarre, FL 32566
Home - 850-515-0640
Cell - 850-218-4838
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources?
I'd start with Neal first, and see what he can do. Then, if that fails,
just go straight to Andair and take the pain, but do a web order for what
you need. Order a foot of the valve extension material. Once you figure
what valve you need, and the fittings on it, and get the extension, the rest
isn't really too bad to figure out on your own with the parts in your hands.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I've been reading the archives and otherwise trying to figure out a
> good approach to replacing the stock valve. Generally seems like a
> good idea. But many options exist and several approaches taken.
>
> Purchasing the valve - direct from the factory I can get exactly what
> I want in a few weeks if I only knew for sure
> - Vans but with a fuel return and
> possibly other options not needed for the IO540
> - Neal?
> I think I can cobble together an order or select an available valve
> after some more research but I'd welcome recommendations. Seems like
> everyone learned something after they made their decisions that would
> point to some modification if doing it again.
>
> I've seen Tim's and Deem's pages (Thanks again!) and the Aeroquip
> hoses sound great. Anyone else have photos.
>
> Bill "switching tasks everyday but with great joy" Watson Durham NC
> #40605
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
Thanks again, this list has been very gracious.
Sam
William Curtis wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> Not a problem, that question was posed with tongue planted firmly in cheek:-)
> Do not archive.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>> RV-10, of course. I'm well aware of the way the system works, I built
>> it, but I'm trying to get the word out, there's a fuel transfer problem
>> that's going to get someone hurt if it's not fixed. I've ordered a new
>> valve from the factory, not Van's, but until it's installed, MY RV10 IS
>> GROUNDED! There's no way enough fuel can be in the lines, on a stock
>> built RV10 airframe to run the engine for 10 minuets.
>> I contacted the factory, talked to Guss, but he just insults me with
>> redundant silly questions. I'm just the stupid pilot, builder, what do I
>> know about airplanes.
>> Sorry to dump on you William, I'm just frustrated with support from
>> Van's. I feel it's my responsibly to alert the RV10 builders of this
>> potential lethal problem, even if Van's won't!
>> Sam
>>
>> William Curtis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the standard fuel
plumbing there should be no transfer of fuel from one tank to the other. Also,
consider the length of tubing from the fuel selector to the engine; this should
allow only a few seconds of fuel for the engine to run.
>>>
>>> William
>>> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>>
>>>> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
>>>> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
>>>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
>>>> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
>>>> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
>>>> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sam Marlow
>>>> #40157
>>>> Van's standard kit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Strainer |
I've seen brass valves and NPT fittings fail getting hairline
cracks in them pretty easily before. Probably was caused
just during torquing initially, as I know those finger strainers
can be a pain to tighten...then finally with the tension
on it, it finally made a hairline crack. That's great that you
found it and did all the right things diagnosing. You probably
won't have an issue again I'd bet.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Mark Ritter wrote:
> After 150 hours the finger strainer in the right tank sprung a leak.
> Removed the fitting, cleaned the threads, applied fuelube
> and reinstalled. Still leaked. Put in new fitting and the leaked
> stopped. Go figure.
>
> I was getting a faint wiff of avgas in the cabin that caused me to
> investigate. Found fuel stains on the bottom right wing fairing. After
> draining the right tank we place a balloon on the fuel vent line and put
> air in the tank via the fuel drain fitting. We then put liquid
> soap where we believed the leak was and found bubbles around the finger
> strainer.
>
> Mark
> RV-10/N410MR
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
I may end up doing just that, but in all fairness, I have to give Van's
a chance to make it right.
Neal George wrote:
>
> Sam -
>
> Yank that valve and throw it under your bench.
> It will make a very nice spider habitat.
>
> Get yourself an Andair FS20X7-T.
>
> Neal
>
> =================
>
> I have the Van's standard valve, V407P-4.....
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Valve Problem |
Not that far along but did you expect anything less from Van's. It's not a
Lycoming so no help from the factory, and wish that I was that far along.
Bob K
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
Thanks again, this list has been very gracious.
Sam
William Curtis wrote:
<mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sam,
Not a problem, that question was posed with tongue planted firmly in
cheek:-)
Do not archive.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
RV-10, of course. I'm well aware of the way the system works, I built
it, but I'm trying to get the word out, there's a fuel transfer problem
that's going to get someone hurt if it's not fixed. I've ordered a new
valve from the factory, not Van's, but until it's installed, MY RV10 IS
GROUNDED! There's no way enough fuel can be in the lines, on a stock
built RV10 airframe to run the engine for 10 minuets.
I contacted the factory, talked to Guss, but he just insults me with
redundant silly questions. I'm just the stupid pilot, builder, what do I
know about airplanes.
Sorry to dump on you William, I'm just frustrated with support from
Van's. I feel it's my responsibly to alert the RV10 builders of this
potential lethal problem, even if Van's won't!
Sam
William Curtis wrote:
<mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the standard fuel
plumbing there should be no transfer of fuel from one tank to the other.
Also, consider the length of tubing from the fuel selector to the engine;
this should allow only a few seconds of fuel for the engine to run.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
X-Rcpt-To: <mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
<sam@fr8dog.net>
I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
#40157
Van's standard kit.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
Not exactly to that extent, but I did use compressed air to verify
integrity of the valve.
Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Sam just wondering did all the basic tests , did you test your fuel
> selecter for correct fuel flows etc. I mean fill one tank then time
> the fuel flow switch to the other nothing shoud come out? Off
> position , nothing comes out.Empty the tank repeat other side?
> Time the fuel flows. Just wondering if its just your valve only. I
> didnt want to go a spend more money if not needed. I am not at the
> point were I can test the valve.
> I am probably missing something as usual so feel free to point me in
> the right direction
>
> regards Chris
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Marlow" <sam@fr8dog.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:04 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
>
>
>>
>> I have the Van's standard valve, V407P-4.....
>> The aircraft is grounded untill I get this sorted out. I have talked
>> to Gus at Van's, and he said this is the first he's heard of a
>> problem with the valve. But that's what I here every time I contact
>> them about any problem!
>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> Which valve do you have....that doesn't sound right or good
>>> at all...not even a little. With the Andair in place, mine
>>> will die in short order once the valve is turned off, and
>>> the wing tanks are always exactly where they were when the
>>> last flight ended.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Marlow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be
>>>> started taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the
>>>> off position.
>>>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped
>>>> off, fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump
>>>> precious fuel overboard through the vent line, but only on the
>>>> ground, I think, at least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sam Marlow
>>>> #40157
>>>> Van's standard kit.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
Thank's John, I'll get to the bottom of of it yet.
You guy's are great, that's the reason I'm on this fourm, so we all can
learn and stay safe!
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> Sam, you are the kind of pilot we should all strive to emulate. Fuel
> Shutoff is exactly that. Good luck returning safely to the air soon.
>
>
>
> John Cox
>
> #40600
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Marlow
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:35 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
>
>
>
> RV-10, of course. I'm well aware of the way the system works, I built
> it, but I'm trying to get the word out, there's a fuel transfer
> problem that's going to get someone hurt if it's not fixed. I've
> ordered a new valve from the factory, not Van's, but until it's
> installed, MY RV10 IS GROUNDED! There's no way enough fuel can be in
> the lines, on a stock built RV10 airframe to run the engine for 10
> minuets.
> I contacted the factory, talked to Guss, but he just insults me with
> redundant silly questions. I'm just the stupid pilot, builder, what do
> I know about airplanes.
> Sorry to dump on you William, I'm just frustrated with support from
> Van's. I feel it's my responsibly to alert the RV10 builders of this
> potential lethal problem, even if Van's won't!
> Sam
>
> William Curtis wrote:
>
>
> Are we talking about a high wing Cessna or an RV-10? With the standard fuel
plumbing there should be no transfer of fuel from one tank to the other. Also,
consider the length of tubing from the fuel selector to the engine; this should
allow only a few seconds of fuel for the engine to run.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com> <mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>
>>
>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
>> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off position.
>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
>> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
>> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
>> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>> Thanks,
>> Sam Marlow
>> #40157
>> Van's standard kit.
>>
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Incorrect Torque values and improper torqueing techniques contribute to
more problems than you can imagine. Good N' Tight sure has a price in
terms of damage in an aircraft environment. All of this is often
glossed over when reading the AC43.13 until a problem becomes apparent
after the damage was done on initial torqueing.
Be sure to use installation techniques which allow for regular and easy
inspection. Use materials which do not contribute to toxic fumes or
dissolve in the presence of AVGAS staining. Know the materials you are
using help the solution and don't amplify a potential problem.
John Cox - N49CX - Dreaming of flying like the Olson Clan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Finger Strainer
I've seen brass valves and NPT fittings fail getting hairline
cracks in them pretty easily before. Probably was caused
just during torquing initially, as I know those finger strainers
can be a pain to tighten...then finally with the tension
on it, it finally made a hairline crack. That's great that you
found it and did all the right things diagnosing. You probably
won't have an issue again I'd bet.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Mark Ritter wrote:
> After 150 hours the finger strainer in the right tank sprung a leak.
> Removed the fitting, cleaned the threads, applied fuelube
> and reinstalled. Still leaked. Put in new fitting and the leaked
> stopped. Go figure.
>
> I was getting a faint wiff of avgas in the cabin that caused me to
> investigate. Found fuel stains on the bottom right wing fairing.
After
> draining the right tank we place a balloon on the fuel vent line and
put
> air in the tank via the fuel drain fitting. We then put liquid
> soap where we believed the leak was and found bubbles around the
finger
> strainer.
>
> Mark
> RV-10/N410MR
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Valve Problem |
Sam would you think this might help to verify the source of the problem if
you did it.
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Marlow" <sam@fr8dog.net>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
>
> Not exactly to that extent, but I did use compressed air to verify
> integrity of the valve.
>
> Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
>> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>>
>> Sam just wondering did all the basic tests , did you test your fuel
>> selecter for correct fuel flows etc. I mean fill one tank then time the
>> fuel flow switch to the other nothing shoud come out? Off position ,
>> nothing comes out.Empty the tank repeat other side?
>> Time the fuel flows. Just wondering if its just your valve only. I didnt
>> want to go a spend more money if not needed. I am not at the point were I
>> can test the valve.
>> I am probably missing something as usual so feel free to point me in the
>> right direction
>>
>> regards Chris
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Marlow" <sam@fr8dog.net>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Problem
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have the Van's standard valve, V407P-4.....
>>> The aircraft is grounded untill I get this sorted out. I have talked to
>>> Gus at Van's, and he said this is the first he's heard of a problem with
>>> the valve. But that's what I here every time I contact them about any
>>> problem!
>>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Which valve do you have....that doesn't sound right or good
>>>> at all...not even a little. With the Andair in place, mine
>>>> will die in short order once the valve is turned off, and
>>>> the wing tanks are always exactly where they were when the
>>>> last flight ended.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam Marlow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've discovered that when the fuel is off, the engine can be started
>>>>> taxied and a runup completed, with the fuel selector in the off
>>>>> position.
>>>>> Another nice surprise I discovered, is when the tanks are topped off,
>>>>> fuel will transfer from one wing to the other, and pump precious fuel
>>>>> overboard through the vent line, but only on the ground, I think, at
>>>>> least so far. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Sam Marlow
>>>>> #40157
>>>>> Van's standard kit.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Postings To Matronics Lists |
Dear Joe of Mile High Aviation (joe@mile-high-aviation.com),
While I do permit occasional commercial posts to the Matronics Email Lists, I ask that these posts not be of a "spam" nature. The following is from the Matronics List Usage Guidelines found here: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
"Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are
regularly subscribed to a given List are considered
acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their
respective products or items for sale should be of
a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about
commercialism, but is about sharing information and
knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those
who provide products to the entire community.
Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists."
Your post to the List today was considered by many Listers to cross the line into
spam even though it was aviation related and I agree. Please refrain from
this type of posting in the future or I will need to block your email address
from further postings to the Matronics Lists.
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: Postings To Matronics Lists |
RV-10 Listers,
Looks like I cut this guy too much slack. I just noticed that he actually only
subscribed to the Lists long enough to post his spam messages then unsubscribed.
I have just blocked his domain from posting to Matronics.
Sorry for the hassle.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
At 06:50 PM 10/25/2007 Thursday, you wrote:
>
>
>Dear Joe of Mile High Aviation (joe@mile-high-aviation.com),
>
>While I do permit occasional commercial posts to the Matronics Email Lists, I ask that these posts not be of a "spam" nature. The following is from the Matronics List Usage Guidelines found here: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
>
> "Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are
> regularly subscribed to a given List are considered
> acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their
> respective products or items for sale should be of
> a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
> a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about
> commercialism, but is about sharing information and
> knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those
> who provide products to the entire community.
> Informal presentation and moderation should be the
> operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists."
>
>Your post to the List today was considered by many Listers to cross the line into
spam even though it was aviation related and I agree. Please refrain from
this type of posting in the future or I will need to block your email address
from further postings to the Matronics Lists.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources? |
Well Neal, if you do it, we will come.
However, I think the critical element is a well documented installation
diagram using the specific valve configuration (FS20X7-T) you would be
selling.
As you know, I'm one of the people fishing around for an Andair valve.
I just configured and ordered a:
EFS20b7T,3/8 Type 7 Extension Fuel Selector :,6 Inch Ext. Tube @ gbp
195.99 = gbp 195.99
My order is based on the best solution I could come up with based on
input from several people on the site (sort of including you). The
input made it clear that several people have used different
configurations to support different installations with varying degrees
of, but eventual success. If someone had a well documented successful
installation with a specific valve configuration and you offered it, I
would be all over it. And I would guess that many of those builders
coming behind me would do the same.
Philosophy switch on: Homebuilding gives so many things to so many
people. You can design an aircraft from scratch, you can build one
from plans and create your own, personal version of someone's dream you
can build from a materials kit and learn in-depth building skills, you
can do a quick build kit and ..... etc. I consider my RV10 project to
be an effort to build a build a $500K aircraft for $150K and a lot of
sweat equity. The final result will be a state of the art 4 place
personal transportation machine that will be so satisfying to operate
that I pinching myself while writing this. But in building this dream
machine, I'm trying to take maximum advantage of the QB offeriing,
standard powerplant, and off-the-shelf avionics. And in the same vein,
I'm looking for every bit of help I can get in solving all of the
little design and fabrication challenges inherent in this, perhaps the
most evolved homebuilt design available. There's pride in solving some
of these problems personally. But the greatest pride is in just
completing the project with all personal transportation goals achieved.
Give me a good solution and a product to go with it, I'm buying it.
Philosophy switch off.
In the meantime, I'm puttering around in the Maule doing just fine while
dreaming of doing so much better. Nice writeup Tim!
Neal George wrote:
>
> Weeeell...dernit....what's a feller to do.
>
> For the record - I was selling valves at my cost as a service to our
> community. I quit handling Andair products because Van's started selling
> valves cheaper than I could buy them, and I had to eat a case of $225
> valves.
>
> I'd like nothing more than to renew my relationship with Andair. In the
> last week I've had enough inquiries to warrant consideration. Ultimately,
> it's up to y'all. I haven't checked lately, but given the current exchange
> rate, I expect base valves are going to run upwards of $240. Extensions add
> about $75. Tack on international shipping (not cheap) and USPS ($6) - last
> time I ordered, it cost me over $100 to ship a shoe box full of valves from
> England to Alabama.
>
> I'll need to place orders of AT LEAST 12 units at a time to make it worth
> Andy's trouble.
>
> If y'all are willing:
> I'll handle ONE valve style - FS20X7-T.
> I'll try to keep a few extension kits and extra inlet fittings on hand.
> If our rotary or Sube friends want duplex valves, we'll work that out, too.
> IT WILL NOT BE FAST - but you WILL get what you asked for.
> The price WILL fluctuate with the exchange rate.
>
> I have no intention or interest in making a buck off of this offer. Valves
> will cost you a few pennies more that it costs me to drop one at the Post
> Office. (Meaning, that if it costs me $200 to buy the valve, $120 to ship a
> dozen from England, and $6.50 to put a stamp on it, I'll ask for $220.
> Insurance costs a little more, UPS costs a lot more.)
>
> I'll contact Andair in the next few days and see what we can work out.
>
> In the mean time, if you'd like an Andair FS20X7-T valve, send a note direct
> to ( neal at appaero.com ). If you want an extension, say so. Be prepared
> to write a check - I simply don't have the cash on hand to front a $3000+
> order.
>
>
> Neal E. George
> 2023 Everglades Drive
> Navarre, FL 32566
> Home - 850-515-0640
> Cell - 850-218-4838
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:08 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve - current sources?
>
>
> I'd start with Neal first, and see what he can do. Then, if that fails,
> just go straight to Andair and take the pain, but do a web order for what
> you need. Order a foot of the valve extension material. Once you figure
> what valve you need, and the fittings on it, and get the extension, the rest
> isn't really too bad to figure out on your own with the parts in your hands.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> MauleDriver wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been reading the archives and otherwise trying to figure out a
>> good approach to replacing the stock valve. Generally seems like a
>> good idea. But many options exist and several approaches taken.
>>
>> Purchasing the valve - direct from the factory I can get exactly what
>> I want in a few weeks if I only knew for sure
>> - Vans but with a fuel return and
>> possibly other options not needed for the IO540
>> - Neal?
>> I think I can cobble together an order or select an available valve
>> after some more research but I'd welcome recommendations. Seems like
>> everyone learned something after they made their decisions that would
>> point to some modification if doing it again.
>>
>> I've seen Tim's and Deem's pages (Thanks again!) and the Aeroquip
>> hoses sound great. Anyone else have photos.
>>
>> Bill "switching tasks everyday but with great joy" Watson Durham NC
>> #40605
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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to a non-commercial mailing list spamvertizing that web site. (Which should
generally be done when the spamvertizing vendor is known, to at least
discourage further such behavior.)
As there was no working opt-out method, the email was in violation of the US
CAN-SPAM act enacted in 2004 (
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Below is their hosting provider's contact information obtained from the
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Also, nice that you know enough to be "Joe AT mile-high-aviation.com"
> to try to keep YOUR name off the spammer's lists, but when YOU'RE
> the spammer, you'll harvest them all. Joe@mile-high-aviation.com
>
> This kind of business posting isn't the kind people are looking for.
>
Tim, I couldn't agree more. When I saw the first posting, I was a bit
annoyed. When I saw that a few other mailing lists that I am on also
got spammed by the same message, I got downright ticked off. Joe, or
whomever you might really be, this is definitely one way to ensure you
won't get any business from the people on these mailing lists. SPAM =
EVIL. Please stop.
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Who says you have to build to part 23 requirements? CAR3 didn't require
either one, and neither does Part 91. From what I see, as long as you
meet Part 91 requirements you are good to go. I flew a CAR3 plane IFR
for years without alt static and with plain old copper tube pitot . My
Mooney has heated pitot, but no alternate static, and is IFR certified.
As long as the static source is as called for on the RV-10 with a port
on each side and connecting tube arching up to top of fuselage, it will
take an awful lot to block both ports.
GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/25/2007 9:52:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
>
> You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
> source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
> people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
>
> Tim,
>
> Hard to break the face plate on the VSI as an alternate static air if
> you have all glass!
>
> Patrick
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> See what's ne
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Postings To Matronics Lists |
In all fairness to Joe at Mile-High, I wrote him off list and told him that
he had subscribed the list to his mailing list and that the list was not for
that. I wasn't bothered by the first posting he made, just when I realized
that he had put us on his mailing list. He replied very quickly,
apologizing, saying that a "member of his staff" had done that accidentally
and that he had taken us off his mailing list. Maybe he thought that e-mail
was to the whole list, so he thought the reply would go to the same. I
don't know him, but I don't think he is dumb enough to think he could get
away with doing what he did without making people mad.
Just for the record since he cannot explain for himself since he has been
banned.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle [mailto:dralle@matronics.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Postings To Matronics Lists
RV-10 Listers,
Looks like I cut this guy too much slack. I just noticed that he actually
only subscribed to the Lists long enough to post his spam messages then
unsubscribed.
I have just blocked his domain from posting to Matronics.
Sorry for the hassle.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
At 06:50 PM 10/25/2007 Thursday, you wrote:
>
>
>Dear Joe of Mile High Aviation (joe@mile-high-aviation.com),
>
>While I do permit occasional commercial posts to the Matronics Email Lists,
I ask that these posts not be of a "spam" nature. The following is from the
Matronics List Usage Guidelines found here:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
>
> "Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are
> regularly subscribed to a given List are considered
> acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their
> respective products or items for sale should be of
> a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
> a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about
> commercialism, but is about sharing information and
> knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those
> who provide products to the entire community.
> Informal presentation and moderation should be the
> operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists."
>
>Your post to the List today was considered by many Listers to cross the
line into spam even though it was aviation related and I agree. Please
refrain from this type of posting in the future or I will need to block your
email address from further postings to the Matronics Lists.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
If you want alternate static air and have an EFIS, use a curtiss valve on
the panel into an AN female pipe thread T fitting. This will allow nylon
pipe thread to standard nylon lines into the static system. See attached
picture. See the valve to the left of the Chelton PFD.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Static ports
Who says you have to build to part 23 requirements? CAR3 didn't require
either one, and neither does Part 91. From what I see, as long as you meet
Part 91 requirements you are good to go. I flew a CAR3 plane IFR for years
without alt static and with plain old copper tube pitot . My Mooney has
heated pitot, but no alternate static, and is IFR certified.
As long as the static source is as called for on the RV-10 with a port on
each side and connecting tube arching up to top of fuselage, it will take an
awful lot to block both ports.
GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/25/2007 9:52:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
>
> You need a heated pitot tube (FAR 23.1323d) and an alternate static
> source (FAR 23.1325 (b)(3)) for IFR flight. Wonder how many
> people building an IFR aircraft are taking this into consideration...
>
> Tim,
>
> Hard to break the face plate on the VSI as an alternate static air if
> you have all glass!
>
> Patrick
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> See what's ne
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | plexiglass bond to fiberglass |
I got some Weld On - 10 and replicated my previous experiment with structural epoxy
as a bonding agent for the RV-10 windows. Again i scuffed a test block of
plexi and fiberglass, wiped clean with alcohol, glued and clamped the pieces,
let the glue cure for 24 hours. The difference was day and night. When I hit
the epoxy test piece with a ball peen hammer to provide a sheer force, the bond
between the Plexiglas and epoxy failed by a clean separation with a moderate
blow of the hammer. I could not get the bond between the plexiglas and the
Weld On to fail using severe blows from the same hammer: the plexiglas itself
failed first. I'm going to use the weld on to fasten my windows and then fill
the edge gaps with a structural epoxy and do an overlay of glass fiber mat to
prevent the paint from cracking. One last comment: the Weld On was mixed by
an eyeball estimate of 13 to 1 ratio and had a date stamped on the carton Jul
'06. I assume that precision ratio and current material would yield a stronger
bond.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141889#141889
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| Subject: | Re: plexiglass bond to fiberglass |
Thanks for taking the time to actually do the testing. Data points
are hard to come by sometimes, and when builders like you go out
of their way to test something, it helps us all learn. Glad to
hear I won't have to worry about the bond failing. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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eagerlee wrote:
>
> I got some Weld On - 10 and replicated my previous experiment with
> structural epoxy as a bonding agent for the RV-10 windows. Again i
> scuffed a test block of plexi and fiberglass, wiped clean with
> alcohol, glued and clamped the pieces, let the glue cure for 24
> hours. The difference was day and night. When I hit the epoxy test
> piece with a ball peen hammer to provide a sheer force, the bond
> between the Plexiglas and epoxy failed by a clean separation with a
> moderate blow of the hammer. I could not get the bond between the
> plexiglas and the Weld On to fail using severe blows from the same
> hammer: the plexiglas itself failed first. I'm going to use the weld
> on to fasten my windows and then fill the edge gaps with a structural
> epoxy and do an overlay of glass fiber mat to prevent the paint from
> cracking. One last comment: the Weld On was mixed by an eyeball
> estimate of 13 to 1 ratio and had a date stamped on the carton Jul
> '06. I assume that precision ratio and current mat! erial would
> yield a stronger bond.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141889#141889
>
>
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| Subject: | Alternate static valve - Thanks, folks! |
Thanks to all who replied with excellent suggestions for an
alternate static panel mount valve.
Several suggestions looked good to me.
However, I've been looking for one that will toggle between normal
and alternate, and my panel is made to accommodate that. I'll look
first at the Clippard MTV-3P as suggested by Chris Johnson.
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Just a point for those considering Andair valves. Make sure you get the
right version and best orientation.
I've seen plenty of discussion about the extension handle creating room for
the scat hose, but an even better reason for lowering the assembly has a lot
to do with some of the initial problems with the early edition valves,
location and the orientation.
In the photo attached, when the valve is centrally located, it has the
potential for the rudder cable to saw through the fuel line.
John 40315
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| Subject: | Re: plexiglass bond to fiberglass |
Thanks, that clarifies my initial question now all I'll need is to get some Weld-On
10 to Europe somehow.
Michael
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RV-10 builder (fuselage)
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