RV10-List Digest Archive

Tue 11/06/07


Total Messages Posted: 25



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     1. 03:14 AM - Re: cowl fitting tips. (Jesse Saint)
     2. 05:01 AM - Re: cowl fitting tips. (Dave Leikam)
     3. 06:02 AM - Re: cowl fitting tips. (linn Walters)
     4. 06:34 AM - Re: cowl fitting tips.  (Michael Kraus)
     5. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux (John Cram)
     6. 08:35 AM - Tim Olson (John Gonzalez)
     7. 02:34 PM - FS: Fuel Boost Pump for IO-540 (Kyrilian Dyer)
     8. 03:13 PM - Re: Tim Olson (Tim Olson)
     9. 03:14 PM - Re: Tim Olson (Tim Olson)
    10. 03:35 PM - Re: Tim Olson (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
    11. 03:56 PM - Re: Tim Olson (Marcus Cooper)
    12. 04:11 PM - Stuffed hole help (Chris and Susie McGough)
    13. 05:08 PM - Re: Tim Olson (Pascal)
    14. 05:18 PM - Re: Stuffed hole help (Tim Olson)
    15. 06:12 PM - Re: Tim Olson (Tim Olson)
    16. 06:27 PM - Re: Tim Olson (Bob-tcw)
    17. 06:51 PM - Re: Tim Olson (Rick Sked)
    18. 07:34 PM - Re: cowl fitting tips.  (Bill Schlatterer)
    19. 08:52 PM - Re: cowl fitting tips. (Vernon Smith)
    20. 08:55 PM - Re: cowl fitting tips. (Steven DiNieri)
    21. 09:18 PM - High Oil Temp (Albert Gardner)
    22. 09:33 PM - Re: cowl fitting tips. (Bill Schlatterer)
    23. 10:12 PM - Re: Stuffed hole help (AirMike)
    24. 10:37 PM - Fiberglass/plexiglass cabin top window purgatory (AirMike)
    25. 10:42 PM - Re: High Oil Temp (AirMike)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:14:30 AM PST US
    From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: cowl fitting tips.
    Remember not to drill the spinner front plate that you already have installed in the hub. The orientation of the cylinder on the front of the hub may not be the same on all props. Nice-looking plenum, but how does the air get in there? :-) Do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: Steven DiNieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. here's a quick pic of the prop hub i acquired from a prop shop for 40 bucks shipped. its unairworthy of coarse and he needed to be convinced i wasn't going to try and fly behind it. DUH.. i figured when i was done I'd release it into RV land and let rv10 builders pass it on... steve dinieri iflyrv10.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:23 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. The photos of your 7 are very nice. I wish the 10s spinner mounted the same way. The back plate isn't held in place by the prop bolts but rather by the bolts that hold the constant speed hub together. At least that's how I read the plans. Your posting did give me an idea, I'm headed up to Van's tomorrow and I'll bug them for any ideas. If they have anything new I'll drop an email to the group. Vern Smith (#324 doors and cabin top) Do not archive _____ From: billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. I know this isn't a 10 but I'm not sure why the prop or hub is is really necessary. I had a bulletin from Vans and they gave me the dimensions for a spacer which was 2.25 inches as I remember it. I took three round pieces of 3/4 plywood plus several nickels for spacers in spacers ;-) to make it exactly 2.25 and put the spinner plate on. I have already fit the cowl and sure hope I haven't messed up. See pix. The cowl fits better than the pictures show due to the angles and the prop spinner to cowl gap will have to filled a little to make it perfect but who knows if the engine will sag a little etc, so my plan is to get it close, fly it awhile and then fiberglass to final fit. This is on a 7 but I suspect the same method would work on a 10. I will be glad to scan and send the bulletin if anyone wants to see it. They actually said to fit the cowl without the prop because it makes it so much easier to get on and off what seems like a 1000 times. Hope this helps Bill S 7a Ark _____ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so mdard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews' target='_new'>Try now! href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 05:01:46 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: cowl fitting tips.
    Is it possible that the nickels will press into the wood and cause an alignment error? Dave Leikam 40496 wiring wings ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Schlatterer To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. I know this isn't a 10 but I'm not sure why the prop or hub is is really necessary. I had a bulletin from Vans and they gave me the dimensions for a spacer which was 2.25 inches as I remember it. I took three round pieces of 3/4 plywood plus several nickels for spacers in spacers ;-) to make it exactly 2.25 and put the spinner plate on. I have already fit the cowl and sure hope I haven't messed up. See pix. The cowl fits better than the pictures show due to the angles and the prop spinner to cowl gap will have to filled a little to make it perfect but who knows if the engine will sag a little etc, so my plan is to get it close, fly it awhile and then fiberglass to final fit. This is on a 7 but I suspect the same method would work on a 10. I will be glad to scan and send the bulletin if anyone wants to see it. They actually said to fit the cowl without the prop because it makes it so much easier to get on and off what seems like a 1000 times. Hope this helps Bill S 7a Ark ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:16 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Why didn't I think of that? I'll keep the prop lead time in mind. Thank you all for the suggestions. Vern Smith Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: jesse@saintaviation.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:37:12 -0500 Contact a prop shop and see if you can get a junk prop hub that you can use or have. You can fit the back plate to that and go from there. Just give them the C2YR number and they will know what hub you need. Don't forget the long lead time on the prop, 2-3 months. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Vernon Smith [mailto:planesmith@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:07 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Glad you brought this up. I've been working on the cabin top/doors and was wondering if there is any way to fit the cowl without a prop? Mounting the engine and baffling is not a problem but I would like to hold off on ordering the prop. Any ideas? Vern Smith (#324 cabin top & doors) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: dlm46007@cox.net To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:06:34 -0800 For those who have not fitted the cowl, some advice. The cowl fit is shown in a chapter prior to the firewall forward and baffling. It is not possible to properly fit the cowl without the engine, prop, and spinner in place. The prop and spinner can be there temporarily. The baffling should be in place or there will be difficulty in cutting the baffling (less the silicone) down to size Note that the forward lower ramps have to be cut back substantially so that the lower cowl will fit. We found that the ramps must be cut back to just aft of the starter ring gear.Why Van's did not provide a more accurate set of metal for the standard IO540 is a wonder. Also do not rivet the corner support triangles before fitting the cowl. Riveting the corner triangles fixes the angle of the lower air ramp which must be in a particular orientation for the cowl/silicone/baffling to work. .Also the cowl should be mounted so that the spinner is approximately 1/4 inch above the cowl ring so that after 100 hours , when the motor mount rubber sags the two will be in alignment blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributionget=_blank>http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listp://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today! http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Climb to the top of the charts! 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    Time: 06:02:39 AM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: cowl fitting tips.


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    Time: 06:34:42 AM PST US
    From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Subject: cowl fitting tips.
    Just FYI, we used the Van's recommended spacer to set the cowl on my buddy's RV-7 as we did not have the prop.... When we went to install the prop, the prop backplate had over 1/8'' hard interference with the cowl. We had to take almost 1/4'' off the back of the cowl. Sounds easy, but the cowl tapers forward and the pins became infinitely harder to install and the stress on the side hinges went up dramatically. Not to mention the fit was not nearly as nice as it was. My recommendation would be to have the prop and spinner, or the exact hub and spinner when setting the cowl.... -Mike -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> Sent: 11/05/07 9:48 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. I know this isn't a 10 but I'm not sure why the prop or hub is is really necessary. I had a bulletin from Vans and they gave me the dimensions for a spacer which was 2.25 inches as I remember it. I took three round pieces of 3/4 plywood plus several nickels for spacers in spacers ;-) to make it exactly 2.25 and put the spinner plate on. I have already fit the cowl and sure hope I haven't messed up. See pix. The cowl fits better than the pictures show due to the angles and the prop


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    Time: 07:23:37 AM PST US
    From: "John Cram" <johncram@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
    I just received an email from Owen at Andair. They are resending me my order, this time by UPS. All is good. John Cram 40569 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Olson<mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux <Tim@MyRV10.com<mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>> They aren't the quickest responding company, that's for sure. I actually phoned them a few times as well, using an AT&T calling card. I figured it was worth poking them a bit. They did come through in the end. I get the feeling that they're highly reliant on a few specific individuals. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John Cram wrote: > Back to the Andair valve. I ordered the pricey extension kit from them 2 > months ago and have never received it. we are in the email back and > forth stage now. I asked them to track it for me with no luck so far. > just sent off a new request this am. will keep list informed of the > drama as it unfolds. > > John Cram > 40569- Nick is going to final mount the top this week. (I am out of town > working) > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* orchidman <mailto:gary@wingscc.com<mailto:gary@wingscc.com>> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>> > *Sent:* Monday, November 05, 2007 8:32 AM > *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux > <gary@wingscc.com<mailto:gary@wingscc.com> > <mailto:gary@wingscc.com<mailto:gary@wingscc.com>>> > > Another comment, there are 2 different bolt/nut plate patterns on > the mounting bracket. I was lucky in that the AFS flowscan takes > the alternate mounting pattern and I had just received it when I was > at that point in Section 28. > So if you don't know which you will be using, you might want to > leave the bracket off and then rivet it on when you know what you > are going to do for sure. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Fuselage SB > (N410GB reserved) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143979#143979<http://forums matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143979#143979> > > > http://www.matronics.com/c<http://www.matronics.com/c> Thank you for your generous > ; -Matt Dralle, List nbsp; Navigator > Photoshare, and title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic> > via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com<http://f orums.matronics.com%22%3ehttp//forums.matronics.com> > > > > * > > > * http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List<http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?RV10-List>


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    Time: 08:35:44 AM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Tim Olson
    Hey Tim, Your email link on your webpage isn't working for me. I promise I don't eat spam and I don't think I hang out in the trash. Can you send me a note offline with your phone number where I can reach you. JOhn Gonzalez


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    Time: 02:34:39 PM PST US
    From: Kyrilian Dyer <kyrilian_av@yahoo.com>
    Subject: FS: Fuel Boost Pump for IO-540
    I thought this may be of interest to RV-10 builders installing an IO-540. I have a new/unused Dukes 12-14V fuel boost pump for the Lycoming IO-540. (P/N 5456-00-1) http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=5456-00-1 This is a new, unopened (still sealed in the box) single speed pump I got with my kit. Aerocraft Parts is selling the pump for $825. I'm asking $600 +s/h. I'm building a Lancair Legacy and was initially intending to install a Lycoming IO-540-V4A5. However, I've since decided to install the Continental IO-550N more typically installed in the Legacy, which requires a two-speed pump. I'm not sure what's typically used on the RV-10, but this single speed boost pump is intended for the 260hp IO-540 available for the Legacy. Let me know if you're interested. Regards, - Kyrilian __________________________________________________


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    Time: 03:13:58 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Tim Olson
    You mean the link on my main site page? That's a messed up graphic is all. You can't read that? ;) I'll reply offline with my contact info. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John Gonzalez wrote: > > Hey Tim, > > Your email link on your webpage isn't working for me. I promise I don't > eat spam and I don't think I hang out in the trash. > > Can you send me a note offline with your phone number where I can reach > you. > > JOhn Gonzalez > >


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    Time: 03:14:47 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Tim Olson
    Shoot, the rest of you just forget that number. ;) Darn dna not there when I wanted it most. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John Gonzalez wrote: > > Hey Tim, > > Your email link on your webpage isn't working for me. I promise I don't > eat spam and I don't think I hang out in the trash. > > Can you send me a note offline with your phone number where I can reach > you. > > JOhn Gonzalez >


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    Time: 03:35:37 PM PST US
    From: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
    Subject: Tim Olson
    Well, I already did, but now I have to do it again.... ;-) Matt do not archive >-------------- > >Matt, why don't you delete this from the archives. > >do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:13 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tim Olson > > >John, give me a call at xxx-xxx-xxxx. >Tim >-------------- -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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    Time: 03:56:09 PM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@cableone.net>
    Subject: Tim Olson
    Too late, I already gave the number to the phone solicitors as a better contact number ;) Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tim Olson Well, I already did, but now I have to do it again.... ;-) Matt do not archive >-------------- > >Matt, why don't you delete this from the archives. > >do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:13 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tim Olson > > >John, give me a call at xxx-xxx-xxxx. >Tim >-------------- -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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    Time: 04:11:38 PM PST US
    From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Stuffed hole help
    Guys while finishing the bafling I cross threaded one of the holes in the front cylinder that the bafling is held on with . Its the front Right hole that the front dam is held on with. This is loking from front of engine. I got the corect tap and now the screw does go in but seems very loose until it in all the way in. Any ideas to tighten it up? I was thinking Loctite but the temperature range is to low? regards Chris 388


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    Time: 05:08:17 PM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Tim Olson
    If you weren't so quick to respond to e-mails I would actually see a benefit to having this ph number. Pascal Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tim Olson > > John, give me a call Tim > > > John Gonzalez wrote: >> >> Hey Tim, >> >> Your email link on your webpage isn't working for me. I promise I don't >> eat spam and I don't think I hang out in the trash. >> >> Can you send me a note offline with your phone number where I can reach >> you. >> >> JOhn Gonzalez >> > > >


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    Time: 05:18:18 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Stuffed hole help
    I'm not sure if they'll have the size you need or not, but perhaps a heli-coil insert or something like that would work. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Chris and Susie McGough wrote: > Guys while finishing the bafling I cross threaded one of the holes in > the front cylinder that the bafling is held on with . Its the front > Right hole that the front dam is held on with. This is loking from front > of engine. > I got the corect tap and now the screw does go in but seems very > loose until it in all the way in. Any ideas to tighten it up? I was > thinking Loctite but the temperature range is to low? > > regards Chris 388 >


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    Time: 06:12:19 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Tim Olson
    Ooops, I think my original post was a typo....the real number should be 867-5309....ask for Jenny. ;) (now, try getting that song out of your head) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Too late, I already gave the number to the phone solicitors as a better > contact number ;) > > Marcus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:35 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tim Olson > > > > Well, I already did, but now I have to do it again.... ;-) > > Matt > > do not archive > >> -------------- >> >> Matt, why don't you delete this from the archives. >> >> do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:13 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tim Olson >> >> >> John, give me a call at xxx-xxx-xxxx. >> Tim >> -------------- >


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    Time: 06:27:09 PM PST US
    From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman@tcwtech.com>
    Subject: Re: Tim Olson
    Brilliant !, Thanks a lot. and I was going to go to sleep , back to the shop to drive some more rivets! Bob Newman TCW Technologies do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tim Olson > > Ooops, I think my original post was a typo....the real number > should be 867-5309....ask for Jenny. ;) (now, try getting > that song out of your head) > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Marcus Cooper wrote: >> >> Too late, I already gave the number to the phone solicitors as a better >> contact number ;) >> >> Marcus >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:35 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tim Olson >> >> >> >> Well, I already did, but now I have to do it again.... ;-) >> >> Matt >> >> do not archive >> >>> -------------- >>> >>> Matt, why don't you delete this from the archives. >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:13 PM >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tim Olson >>> >>> >>> John, give me a call at xxx-xxx-xxxx. >>> Tim >>> -------------- >> > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:51:46 PM PST US
    From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tim Olson
    HEY!! That's my Number!! "Ricky" Rick S. 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 9:11:23 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tim Olson Ooops, I think my original post was a typo....the real number should be 867-5309....ask for Jenny. ;) (now, try getting that song out of your head) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Too late, I already gave the number to the phone solicitors as a better > contact number ;) > > Marcus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:35 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tim Olson > > > > Well, I already did, but now I have to do it again.... ;-) > > Matt > > do not archive > >> -------------- >> >> Matt, why don't you delete this from the archives. >> >> do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:13 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tim Olson >> >> >> John, give me a call at xxx-xxx-xxxx. >> Tim >> -------------- >


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    Time: 07:34:07 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: cowl fitting tips.
    Bummer, that's not a pretty thing to look forward to now. Just wondering what caused that since it would look like 2.25 from the flywheel would be the right spacing based on the plans as well as the instructions. Probably should have waited but it's a little late now ;-( . I wonder if Vans might not have understood that I was going CS and sent the instructions for a FP. I really never thought about the hub spacing being different. Dumb! Based on your comments though, I probably should have at least gone out to a friends plane and verified the spacing instead of just going by the instructions and assuming...... Thanks for the wake up Bill S Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. --> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> Just FYI, we used the Van's recommended spacer to set the cowl on my buddy's RV-7 as we did not have the prop.... When we went to install the prop, the prop backplate had over 1/8'' hard interference with the cowl. We had to take almost 1/4'' off the back of the cowl. Sounds easy, but the cowl tapers forward and the pins became infinitely harder to install and the stress on the side hinges went up dramatically. Not to mention the fit was not nearly as nice as it was. My recommendation would be to have the prop and spinner, or the exact hub and spinner when setting the cowl.... -Mike -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> Sent: 11/05/07 9:48 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. I know this isn't a 10 but I'm not sure why the prop or hub is is really necessary. I had a bulletin from Vans and they gave me the dimensions for a spacer which was 2.25 inches as I remember it. I took three round pieces of 3/4 plywood plus several nickels for spacers in spacers ;-) to make it exactly 2.25 and put the spinner plate on. I have already fit the cowl and sure hope I haven't messed up. See pix. The cowl fits better than the pictures show due to the angles and the prop


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    Time: 08:52:17 PM PST US
    From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
    Subject: cowl fitting tips.
    Stopped by and talked to Gus at Van's today about mounting the cowl without a prop. He referred me to the bulletin that Bill mentioned http://www.vans aircraft.com/pdf/Prop_Cowl.pdf and said it will work on any RV including th e RV10. When asked about the constant speed prop versus fix he said the cow l is in the same position for both props this allow people to switch to eit her prop without having to change the cowl (obviously not an option or issu e on the 10.) So are the 2.25" spacer correct for a RV10? That is the question. Can someone who has a Hartzell prop and spinner mounted, accurately measure between the back side of the S 602-1 spinner back plate and the front face of the flywheel? Preferably without the doubler thickness being included. Armed with this information it should be possible to mount the cowl without a prop. However, using a non-airworthy hub would be a good option as well. All bets are off if using other than a Hartzell prop. As a note: the RV10 spinner back plate does look just like the RV 7's. It h as the six hole in the center that line up with the prop bolts hole. In th e plans this center section is cut out by the builder to fit around the con stant speed hub before assembly. Thanks for all the input, Vern (#324) > From: billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject : RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:33:50 -0600> global.net>> > Bummer, that's not a pretty thing to look forward to now. Ju st wondering> what caused that since it would look like 2.25 from the flywh eel would be> the right spacing based on the plans as well as the instructi ons. Probably> should have waited but it's a little late now ;-( . I wonder if Vans might> not have understood that I was going CS and sent the instru ctions for a FP.> I really never thought about the hub spacing being differ ent. Dumb!> > Based on your comments though, I probably should have at leas t gone out to a> friends plane and verified the spacing instead of just goi ng by the> instructions and assuming...... > > Thanks for the wake up> Bill S _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews


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    Time: 08:55:53 PM PST US
    From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
    Subject: cowl fitting tips.
    hey Jessie, are you suggesting not to drill the front plate to the spinner cone? steve dinieri iflyrv10.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Remember not to drill the spinner front plate that you already have installed in the hub. The orientation of the cylinder on the front of the hub may not be the same on all props. Nice-looking plenum, but how does the air get in there? :-) Do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: Steven DiNieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. here's a quick pic of the prop hub i acquired from a prop shop for 40 bucks shipped. its unairworthy of coarse and he needed to be convinced i wasn't going to try and fly behind it. DUH.. i figured when i was done I'd release it into RV land and let rv10 builders pass it on... steve dinieri iflyrv10.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:23 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. The photos of your 7 are very nice. I wish the 10s spinner mounted the same way. The back plate isn't held in place by the prop bolts but rather by the bolts that hold the constant speed hub together. At least that's how I read the plans. Your posting did give me an idea, I'm headed up to Van's tomorrow and I'll bug them for any ideas. If they have anything new I'll drop an email to the group. Vern Smith (#324 doors and cabin top) Do not archive _____ From: billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. I know this isn't a 10 but I'm not sure why the prop or hub is is really necessary. I had a bulletin from Vans and they gave me the dimensions for a spacer which was 2.25 inches as I remember it. I took three round pieces of 3/4 plywood plus several nickels for spacers in spacers ;-) to make it exactly 2.25 and put the spinner plate on. I have already fit the cowl and sure hope I haven't messed up. See pix. The cowl fits better than the pictures show due to the angles and the prop spinner to cowl gap will have to filled a little to make it perfect but who knows if the engine will sag a little etc, so my plan is to get it close, fly it awhile and then fiberglass to final fit. This is on a 7 but I suspect the same method would work on a 10. I will be glad to scan and send the bulletin if anyone wants to see it. They actually said to fit the cowl without the prop because it makes it so much easier to get on and off what seems like a 1000 times. Hope this helps Bill S 7a Ark _____ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so mdard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews' target='_new'>Try now! href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 09:18:50 PM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: High Oil Temp
    Still working on getting oil temp down but a friend told me that the screen on the SCAT tube at the back baffle heading down to the oil cooler might impede the airflow a bit so I cut it out to see. Gives me about 8 or so degrees I think. Now I'm going to look at that area a bit more. For what it's worth went up this morning to see what removing the screen would do and collected these numbers in cruise: OAT 72, 3500', MAP 23", RPM 2300, oil 231F, GPH 16.8, 155kt. I better get those wheel pants on too see what the top speed will be. Climb out from Yuma (180' MSL) was 2200 FPM. Wow! Hit pattern altitude at the end of the runway. Keep building. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 09:33:11 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: cowl fitting tips.
    Wow, I have to tell you that sure makes me feel better now because I was not looking forward to refitting the cowl. Vern, thanks for getting the full scoop and passing it on. Bill S 7a Ark _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Stopped by and talked to Gus at Van's today about mounting the cowl without a prop. He referred me to the bulletin that Bill mentioned http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Prop_Cowl.pdf and said it will work on any RV including the RV10. When asked about the constant speed prop versus fix he said the cowl is in the same position for both props this allow people to switch to either prop without having to change the cowl (obviously not an option or issue on the 10.) So are the 2.25" spacer correct for a RV10? That is the question. Can someone who has a Hartzell prop and spinner mounted, accurately measure between the back side of the S 602-1 spinner back plate and the front face of the flywheel? Preferably without the doubler thickness being included. Armed with this information it should be possible to mount the cowl without a prop. However, using a non-airworthy hub would be a good option as well. All bets are off if using other than a Hartzell prop. As a note: the RV10 spinner back plate does look just like the RV 7's. It has the six hole in the center that line up with the prop bolts hole. In the plans this center section is cut out by the builder to fit around the constant speed hub before assembly. Thanks for all the input, Vern (#324) _____ > From: billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:33:50 -0600 > <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> > > Bummer, that's not a pretty thing to look forward to now. Just wondering > what caused that since it would look like 2.25 from the flywheel would be > the right spacing based on the plans as well as the instructions. Probably > should have waited but it's a little late now ;-( . I wonder if Vans might > not have understood that I was going CS and sent the instructions for a FP. > I really never thought about the hub spacing being different. Dumb! > > Based on your comments though, I probably should have at least gone out to a > friends plane and verified the spacing instead of just going by the > instructions and assuming...... > > Thanks for the wake up > Bill S _____ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Wiase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews' target='_new'>Try now!


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    Time: 10:12:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Stuffed hole help
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    Ouch - I think the heli-coil insert would be #1 as Tim suggested Might look for some high temp epoxy as a reinforcement. But that would make it a one way repair. removal then would be impossible except with a bridge plate. Locktite does not seem to have the lower viscosity taht you need -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144297#144297


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    Time: 10:37:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Fiberglass/plexiglass cabin top window purgatory
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    I am about 80% done with the doors and cabin top ---- and have not attached my cabin top yet. I debated this question for weeks before taking the leap. After looking at all the stuff on the matronics site, I decided to go ahead with the Weld-on for my windows. I also decided that using this awful stuff in a vertical environment is tooo difficult. I removed the cabin top and decided to install both of the rear windows with the cabin top flat for each window. In other words, I laid the cabin top over about 70 degrees to install each rear window giving good access above and under. I have installed the first window. The results are mediocre. I did the installation at about 60 degrees Farenheit. The weld on goes off (solidifys) very quickly. There were no bubbles, but the weld on captured a lot of the 3M fineline masking tape (blue) inside the window so that it can be seen from the outside. For those of you getting to windows, read all of the instructions VERY carefully. Tim's excellent suggestion of using your finger to thin the rims of weld-on inside are really important. My error was sticking with the popsicle stics. The radius is tooooo small you need to thin the filet out with your finger so that you do not capture the masking tape. Also start removing the masking tape almost as soon as the window is in position. Any suggestions for removing or at least mitigating the effect of the weld-on captured blue plastic 3M tape I am still convinced that (even having to protect the window for the next 5-6 months) I made the right choice. Also , I can install the interior cabin top stuff in a less difficult situation for my aging old back. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144301#144301


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    Time: 10:42:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    It might be a pricey remedy, but how about Alex's higher capacity oil cooler? Especially in the Central and souther tier of the country it might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144302#144302




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