---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/07/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:23 AM - What Listers Are Saying... (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:25 AM - Re: cowl fitting tips. (Jesse Saint) 2. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: High Oil Temp (Albert Gardner) 3. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: High Oil Temp (Rick Sked) 4. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: High Oil Temp (Deems Davis) 5. 08:20 AM - Re: High Oil Temp (orchidman) 6. 08:49 AM - -10 project for sale (John Hasbrouck) 7. 10:06 AM - Re: -10 project for sale () 8. 10:37 AM - Re: -10 project for sale (John Hasbrouck) 9. 11:24 AM - Re: -10 project for sale (Jeff Carpenter) 10. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: -10 project for sale () 11. 12:08 PM - Re: -10 project for sale (John Gonzalez) 12. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: High Oil Temp () 13. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: High Oil Temp (Fred Williams, M.D.) 14. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: High Oil Temp (Mark Ritter) 15. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: High Oil Temp (John W. Cox) 16. 11:27 PM - Re: Fiberglass/plexiglass cabin top window purgatory (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:26 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: What Listers Are Saying... 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Albert G. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:13 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. I am suggesting exactly that if prefitting the cowl with a dummy prop hub. If you have your final prop, then you can drill it, of course. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: Steven DiNieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. hey Jessie, are you suggesting not to drill the front plate to the spinner cone? steve dinieri iflyrv10.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Remember not to drill the spinner front plate that you already have installed in the hub. The orientation of the cylinder on the front of the hub may not be the same on all props. Nice-looking plenum, but how does the air get in there? :-) Do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: Steven DiNieri [mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. here's a quick pic of the prop hub i acquired from a prop shop for 40 bucks shipped. its unairworthy of coarse and he needed to be convinced i wasn't going to try and fly behind it. DUH.. i figured when i was done I'd release it into RV land and let rv10 builders pass it on... steve dinieri iflyrv10.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:23 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. The photos of your 7 are very nice. I wish the 10s spinner mounted the same way. The back plate isn't held in place by the prop bolts but rather by the bolts that hold the constant speed hub together. At least that's how I read the plans. Your posting did give me an idea, I'm headed up to Van's tomorrow and I'll bug them for any ideas. If they have anything new I'll drop an email to the group. Vern Smith (#324 doors and cabin top) Do not archive _____ From: billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. I know this isn't a 10 but I'm not sure why the prop or hub is is really necessary. I had a bulletin from Vans and they gave me the dimensions for a spacer which was 2.25 inches as I remember it. I took three round pieces of 3/4 plywood plus several nickels for spacers in spacers ;-) to make it exactly 2.25 and put the spinner plate on. I have already fit the cowl and sure hope I haven't messed up. See pix. The cowl fits better than the pictures show due to the angles and the prop spinner to cowl gap will have to filled a little to make it perfect but who knows if the engine will sag a little etc, so my plan is to get it close, fly it awhile and then fiberglass to final fit. This is on a 7 but I suspect the same method would work on a 10. I will be glad to scan and send the bulletin if anyone wants to see it. They actually said to fit the cowl without the prop because it makes it so much easier to get on and off what seems like a 1000 times. Hope this helps Bill S 7a Ark _____ Boo! 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Especially in the Central and southern tier of the country it might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:24 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp Al, Heres the link. http://www.aviationtechproducts.com/ Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Gardner" Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 10:14:13 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp I'm not familiar with this oil cooler-do you know who carries it? Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- It might be a pricey remedy, but how about Alex's higher capacity oil cooler? Especially in the Central and southern tier of the country it might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:13 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp Al, It's the one made by Airflow Performance. You can buy it direct form them http://www.airflow-systems.com/ or you can buy it from Alex D. Gary Foster put one on his RV-10 in OK. and reported a drop in oil temps vs Van's stock cooler. I ordered and received one, but haven't installed it yet. It's a bolt on replacement, the difference is that it has significantly more cooling vanes (those zig-zag do-higgies). Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Albert Gardner wrote: > > I'm not familiar with this oil cooler-do you know who carries it? > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > It might be a pricey remedy, but how about Alex's higher capacity oil > cooler? Especially in the Central and southern tier of the country it > might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:01 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp From: "orchidman" Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra cooling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma) -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:12 AM PST US From: "John Hasbrouck" Subject: RV10-List: -10 project for sale all, This time I'm sticking to it! My -10 project is for sale. Empennage, wings and fuselage kits done and ready for finish kit. O-540-A1D5 Lycoming with 1634 SFRM included. Changed my mind about this before but have decided that I'd rather be flying than building and don't have time to complete the -10 in a reasonable time. Located at KMGY (Dayton Wright Bros.) jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com John Hasbrouck #40264 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:35 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 project for sale What are you looking for in regards to $$$? > > From: "John Hasbrouck" > Date: 2007/11/07 Wed AM 11:45:51 EST > To: "RV LIST" > Subject: RV10-List: -10 project for sale > > all, > This time I'm sticking to it! My -10 project is for sale. Empennage, wings and fuselage kits done and ready for finish kit. O-540-A1D5 Lycoming with 1634 SFRM included. Changed my mind about this before but have decided that I'd rather be flying than building and don't have time to complete the -10 in a reasonable time. Located at KMGY (Dayton Wright Bros.) jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com > > John Hasbrouck > #40264 > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:26 AM PST US From: "John Hasbrouck" Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 project for sale $35,000.00 takes it all including the engine and extras! Thanks for asking. John Hasbrouck ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:02 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 project for sale I'll take two! You've got to be kidding. Jeff Carpenter 40304 Do Not Archive On Nov 7, 2007, at 10:35 AM, John Hasbrouck wrote: > > > $35,000.00 takes it all including the engine and extras! Thanks > for asking. John Hasbrouck > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:52 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: -10 project for sale What are the extras? > > From: "John Hasbrouck" > Date: 2007/11/07 Wed PM 01:35:26 EST > To: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 project for sale > > > $35,000.00 takes it all including the engine and extras! Thanks for asking. > John Hasbrouck > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:18 PM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 project for sale Was this the one with the shop heads of the rivets on the outside of the skin? What's going on here? JG. #409 >From: Jeff Carpenter >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 project for sale >Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:12:33 -0800 > > >I'll take two! > >You've got to be kidding. > >Jeff Carpenter >40304 >Do Not Archive > > >On Nov 7, 2007, at 10:35 AM, John Hasbrouck wrote: > >> >>$35,000.00 takes it all including the engine and extras! Thanks for >>asking. John Hasbrouck >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:02 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp Unless you've come up with an ingenuous way to mount it I don't think the 2008x will fit. Deems ---- orchidman wrote: > > Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra cooling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma) > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Fuselage SB > (N410GB reserved) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:56 PM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp Gary; I'm just south in Paris, Texas and went for the better cooling oil cooler. Anything to keep the life blood of the engine as cool as possible. Dr Fred orchidman wrote: > > Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra cooling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma) > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Fuselage SB > (N410GB reserved) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:37 PM PST US From: Mark Ritter Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp I ordered the 2008X about two months ago. It's considerably bigger than th e bolt on replacement 2006X and will not mount on the firewall due to engin e mount interference. I sent the 2008X back and installed the 2006X. The o il temps went down about 8 degrees. Also can climb at higher VS with the n ew cooler. They did tell me if and when they figure out how to mount the 2 008X in the RV-10 there would be a good trade-in arrangement. Mark RV-10/N410MR Austin, Texas
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp> From: gary@wingscc.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:17:39 -0800> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10-List me ssage posted by: "orchidman" > > Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra co oling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma)> > --------> Gary Blankenbiller> RV10 - # 40674> Fuselage SB> (N410GB reserved)> > > > > Read this topic online here :> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419> > > > > > ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp From: "John W. Cox" This would be a great time for someone to reach out to James McClow and get him to post an opinion on Static pressure changes in the airflow, both into and out of the stock VANS or 2006X coolers. Restrictions reduce airflow which is not a good thing. A composite duct (replacing SCAT tubing) and some simple mods should produce noticeable improvements to oil heat exchanger efficiencies. It is obvious as to why it is generally mounted where it is, however, the serpentine routing does not lead to efficiencies of operation. Does anyone have his email address? John RV10 - #40600 Aurora, OR ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp I ordered the 2008X about two months ago. It's considerably bigger than the bolt on replacement 2006X and will not mount on the firewall due to engine mount interference. I sent the 2008X back and installed the 2006X. The oil temps went down about 8 degrees. Also can climb at higher VS with the new cooler. They did tell me if and when they figure out how to mount the 2008X in the RV-10 there would be a good trade-in arrangement. Mark RV-10/N410MR Austin, Texas
________________________________ > Subject: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp > From: gary@wingscc.com > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:17:39 -0800 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra cooling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma) > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Fuselage SB > (N410GB reserved) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419 > ======================= > > > ________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:19 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass/plexiglass cabin top window purgatory From: "AirMike" I did window #2 (rear) today with better results. I did two things. I used my fingers and many nitrile gloves to form the filet. Also I used some prior advice and only used about 70% of the weld-on catalyst. Gives much better working time -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144547#144547 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.