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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers (Sam Marlow)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers (Sam Marlow)
3. 09:27 AM - Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers (Randy Lervold)
4. 10:15 AM - Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers (Jesse Saint)
5. 11:35 AM - Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers (Sam Marlow)
6. 01:21 PM - Re: Trim troubles and mods (Keith Snyder)
7. 01:24 PM - Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks (MauleDriver)
8. 02:56 PM - Re: Trim troubles and mods (Bob-tcw)
9. 03:43 PM - Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers (Jesse Saint)
10. 03:48 PM - Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks (Tim Olson)
11. 04:11 PM - Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers (John Jessen)
12. 05:20 PM - Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks (John Dunne)
13. 05:49 PM - Re: Trim troubles and mods (William Curtis)
14. 06:22 PM - Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers (William Curtis)
15. 06:53 PM - Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks (Rick Sked)
16. 06:57 PM - wheel pants and leg fairings during flight test (David McNeill)
17. 07:12 PM - Re: Trim troubles and mods (William Curtis)
18. 07:15 PM - Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks (MauleDriver)
19. 07:24 PM - Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks (MauleDriver)
20. 08:23 PM - Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks (Tim Olson)
21. 08:37 PM - Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks (Tim Olson)
22. 08:48 PM - Re: wheel pants and leg fairings during flight test (Tim Olson)
23. 09:39 PM - Re: wheel pants and leg fairings during flight test (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers |
Thanks Randy, that's exactly what I was looking for! Nice website.
Randy Lervold wrote:
> I suspect you're describing these...
> http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/IdeasProducts/ideasproducts.htm#AccessDoors
>
> Randy Lervold
> RV-3B, flying
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Sam Marlow <mailto:sam@fr8dog.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:31 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
>
> I've looked and looked on the web for these things. The little
> spring assisted access door to put air in your tires, with wheel
> pants installed. Does anybody remember the part #?
> Thanks,
> Sam Marlow
> #40157 Flying now
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers |
Thanks Bruce, but another member of the list found them. They are
#KM713-16-064, from A/C Spruce.
Sam
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers |
Well, it's not an RV-10, in fact it's at the opposite end of the mission
profile spectrum, but I sure like it!
Those little doors are installed on the outside of the wheel pants, note
how you can't even see them?
Randy
www.rv-3.com
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From: Sam Marlow
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
Thanks Randy, that's exactly what I was looking for! Nice website.
Randy Lervold wrote:
I suspect you're describing these...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/IdeasProducts/ideasproducts.htm#AccessD
oors
Randy Lervold
RV-3B, flying
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Marlow
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
I've looked and looked on the web for these things. The little
spring assisted access door to put air in your tires, with wheel pants
installed. Does anybody remember the part #?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
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| Subject: | Wheel Fairing Air Access covers |
I looks like Spruce only has as high a 1.5" diameter. Cirrus (yes, I know,
a bad word) sells a 2" plastic plug. You should be able to order it through
any Cirrus repair shop.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Patton [mailto:bpattonsoa@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
I believe that Aircraft Spruce has them. They are fragile and will break.
I recommend steel hole plugs, at your hardware store. Paint up a few extra,
they can get lost.
Bruce
Sam Marlow <sam@fr8dog.net> wrote:
I've looked and looked on the web for these things. The little spring
assisted access door to put air in your tires, with wheel pants installed.
Does anybody remember the part #?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
#40157 Flying now
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers |
Do you have a part # Jesse, or has anyone found a Cirrus parts catalog
on line?
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I looks like Spruce only has as high a 1.5" diameter. Cirrus (yes, I know,
> a bad word) sells a 2" plastic plug. You should be able to order it through
> any Cirrus repair shop.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Patton [mailto:bpattonsoa@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
>
> I believe that Aircraft Spruce has them. They are fragile and will break.
> I recommend steel hole plugs, at your hardware store. Paint up a few extra,
> they can get lost.
>
> Bruce
>
> Sam Marlow <sam@fr8dog.net> wrote:
> I've looked and looked on the web for these things. The little spring
> assisted access door to put air in your tires, with wheel pants installed.
> Does anybody remember the part #?
> Thanks,
> Sam Marlow
> #40157 Flying now
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Trim troubles and mods |
Hey William,
Looking at Mr. Newman's website it looks like he is just up the road from you.
Not far from me either.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146475#146475
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| Subject: | Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks |
To those that have done this, any advice? Any concerrns about minimum
bend radius needed to get from the tunnel out? From what I've read in
the archives, several people have done this but haven't found a lot of
detail on the fuel versus the brake lines. (There may be more to see
once Kitlog starts working again).
I was planning to run the aluminum lines but am having a real hard time
getting it in the fuselage after applying (2) 90deg bends. Curving it
doesn't seem to quite work. I can simply force it in by bending and
unbending but it gets scraped up.
So before ordering more tubing, I started to think that flexible lines
might be a good if more expensive solution. Aeroquip hoses seems to be
a popular choice.
Bill Watson
40605
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Trim troubles and mods |
Guys, your welcome to visit, I'd love to have fellow builders stop by.
Your welcome to check out the progress on my RV-10 (deep in the fuse) or
see a Safety-Trim in operation in my Glastar out at 1N9 , Queen City
Airport in Allentown PA.
just send me an email rnewman@tcwtech.com
Bob Newman
www.tcwtech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Snyder" <kmitch51@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List:Trim troubles and mods
>
> Hey William,
> Looking at Mr. Newman's website it looks like he is just up the road from
> you. Not far from me either.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146475#146475
>
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| Subject: | Wheel Fairing Air Access covers |
"Plug, 2.0" Cirrus"
Item # 50498-200
Price $2.60 ea.
DLK Aviation
2601 Cessna Lane
Kennesaw, GA 30144
770-427-4954
www.dlkaviation.com
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Marlow [mailto:sam@fr8dog.net]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
Do you have a part # Jesse, or has anyone found a Cirrus parts catalog
on line?
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I looks like Spruce only has as high a 1.5" diameter. Cirrus (yes, I
know,
> a bad word) sells a 2" plastic plug. You should be able to order it
through
> any Cirrus repair shop.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Patton [mailto:bpattonsoa@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
>
> I believe that Aircraft Spruce has them. They are fragile and will break.
> I recommend steel hole plugs, at your hardware store. Paint up a few
extra,
> they can get lost.
>
> Bruce
>
> Sam Marlow <sam@fr8dog.net> wrote:
> I've looked and looked on the web for these things. The little spring
> assisted access door to put air in your tires, with wheel pants installed.
> Does anybody remember the part #?
> Thanks,
> Sam Marlow
> #40157 Flying now
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks |
Exactly! You CAN'T bend and unbend AL tubing
without worry about stress and work hardening.
Thats what led me to flex lines too. They also spec.
min. bend radius on flex lines too. too will find them
much easier to work with.
Tim - do not archive
>
> To those that have done this, any advice? Any concerrns about minimum
> bend radius needed to get from the tunnel out? From what I've read in
> the archives, several people have done this but haven't found a lot of
> detail on the fuel versus the brake lines. (There may be more to see
> once Kitlog starts working again).
>
> I was planning to run the aluminum lines but am having a real hard time
> getting it in the fuselage after applying (2) 90deg bends. Curving it
> doesn't seem to quite work. I can simply force it in by bending and
> unbending but it gets scraped up.
>
> So before ordering more tubing, I started to think that flexible lines
> might be a good if more expensive solution. Aeroquip hoses seems to be
> a popular choice.
>
> Bill Watson
> 40605
>
>
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| Subject: | Wheel Fairing Air Access covers |
I've seen Randy's plane up close and it's meticulous. A fine, fine example
of the craft that we call RV building. Something of which he should
rightfully be proud. Randy offered me a ride, but the thought of being
strapped to the right wing while Cox got the left, was just too much to
bear, so I declined.
Jessen
do not archive !!!
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
Well, it's not an RV-10, in fact it's at the opposite end of the mission
profile spectrum, but I sure like it!
Those little doors are installed on the outside of the wheel pants, note how
you can't even see them?
Randy
www.rv-3.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Marlow <mailto:sam@fr8dog.net>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
Thanks Randy, that's exactly what I was looking for! Nice website.
Randy Lervold wrote:
I suspect you're describing these...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/IdeasProducts/ideasproducts.htm#AccessDoor
s
Randy Lervold
RV-3B, flying
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Marlow <mailto:sam@fr8dog.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Fairing Air Access covers
I've looked and looked on the web for these things. The little spring
assisted access door to put air in your tires, with wheel pants installed.
Does anybody remember the part #?
Thanks,
Sam Marlow
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks |
Hi Bill, have you got a decent tube bender? The one I bought from Spruce
looks after multiple tubing diameters and can bend 180 deg no problem and no
flat spots. I was so impressed, I started re-doing my lines just for the fun
of it.(not really)
John 40315
----- Original Message -----
From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks
>
> To those that have done this, any advice? Any concerrns about minimum
> bend radius needed to get from the tunnel out? From what I've read in the
> archives, several people have done this but haven't found a lot of detail
> on the fuel versus the brake lines. (There may be more to see once Kitlog
> starts working again).
>
> I was planning to run the aluminum lines but am having a real hard time
> getting it in the fuselage after applying (2) 90deg bends. Curving it
> doesn't seem to quite work. I can simply force it in by bending and
> unbending but it gets scraped up.
> So before ordering more tubing, I started to think that flexible lines
> might be a good if more expensive solution. Aeroquip hoses seems to be a
> popular choice.
>
> Bill Watson
> 40605
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Trim troubles and mods |
Yeah, I was trying to make the drawing simpler so I flipped one of the relays and
then got it all mixed up. I've corrected it and updated the drawing at the
same link. For whoever asked about the timeout circuit, This would more complexity
than I would be comfortable putting together. For that you should probably
go with Bob's controller--or just make sure you have a pull able circuit
breaker on the panel for the Trim motor.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10PitchTrim.pdf
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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>
> I am going to use your circuit for my trim. However, seems that there is a mistake
in the wiring of the relays,that in this configuration shorts the +12 to
ground, unless there is something of which I am not aware.
> Sergio
> RV8 82041, flying
> RV10, finish kit
>
>
>
> wcurtis(at)nerv10.com wrote:
> > When this was last discussed, a few folks ask me for resistor values. I did
a rough calculation and determined that about a 10 ohm resistor would be required
to get it down to ~7 volts (assuming .6 amp draw) but that resistor would
have to be quite large to dissipate nearly 3 watts.
> >
> > I redesigned the speed controller by using the ubiquitous 780x power regulator
instead. In this case a 7806 regulates the input voltage down to 6 volts
for up to 1 amp. The speed controller is activated by a switch on the flap torque
tube where ,when the flaps are up, power to the trim motor is via the 7806
power regulator, any other flap position and trim motor runs at full speed.
Much more efficient and elegant compared to a resistor.
> >
> > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10PitchTrim.pdf
> >
> > I encourage your development of products for the RV-10 and I think your trim
controller is an excellent product. However, we all have the tendency to implement
the "gold plated" solution when the more effective stainless steel would
do.
> >
> > William
> > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
> >
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Wheel Fairing Air Access covers |
You mean these?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/accessdoors.php
Spruce has them for ~$21.30 or you can call up B&B Aircraft supply. I got two
from them at OSH '07 for $7.50 each.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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>
> I've looked and looked on the web for these things. The little spring
> assisted access door to put air in your tires, with wheel pants
> installed. Does anybody remember the part #?
> Thanks,
> Sam Marlow
> #40157 Flying now
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks |
Bill,
I used the flex lines, made them myself, they seek their own radius if you don't
force them out of the tunnel through the same route as the aluminum lines. I
can't see any reason not to use them, although there my be a bogey at my 6 coming
out of the sun to tell me otherwise (NATO name johncox) I terminated them
perfectly at the wing root, allows for flex at every area that may flex. I do
plan on applying a time change to them, just not sure what that is yet but I
suspect a minumum of every other or every third annual. Input for this is appreciated.
They are fairly inexpensive and easy to make once you know the correct
length. One real advanage is when using the andair, I could pull them togehter
and route the rear cabin heat scat right on by the side. Insulated of course.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:26:57 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks
To those that have done this, any advice? Any concerrns about minimum
bend radius needed to get from the tunnel out? From what I've read in
the archives, several people have done this but haven't found a lot of
detail on the fuel versus the brake lines. (There may be more to see
once Kitlog starts working again).
I was planning to run the aluminum lines but am having a real hard time
getting it in the fuselage after applying (2) 90deg bends. Curving it
doesn't seem to quite work. I can simply force it in by bending and
unbending but it gets scraped up.
So before ordering more tubing, I started to think that flexible lines
might be a good if more expensive solution. Aeroquip hoses seems to be
a popular choice.
Bill Watson
40605
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| Subject: | wheel pants and leg fairings during flight test |
Have builders left the aluminium pieces on the nose and main wheels during
initial flight tests? How well do brake lines do when clamped in place
without fairings during testing?.
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Trim troubles and mods |
Bob,
Did you know my Cardinal was based at Queen City (1N9) up until the last week of
October. I just got a hangar at Quakertown. Very nice and reasonable. I was
on the waiting list at Queen City for the past year and a half. Queen City
is a nice utilititarian airport where folks just come, fly, then go home. I
never did get around to getting the permit to drive on the airport. Silly, you
can taxi your aircraft all around the airport but you have to take a test and
get a permit to drive your automobile on the airport grounds. Queen City is
nice but Quakertown is much more personable.
Did you get the note that Queen City was selected one of four airports in PA to
get an ADS-B ground station? Oh well, with the ADS-B, even if I'm not based
there, it's close enough to use as an alternate in lieu of Allentown (ABE) when
required. My old-old airport in NJ (47N) just got a new WAAS RNAV 25 approach
with an MDA down to 480-1. That's only 200 more feet than an ILS would get
you down. That plus the glidescope on RNAV(GPS) approaches and WAAS is WAA(s)
cool.
In the meantime, I'm busy building shelves in the hangar and changing the oil in
the Cardinal. Will have to come and visit you soon though.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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>
> Guys, your welcome to visit, I'd love to have fellow builders stop by.
> Your welcome to check out the progress on my RV-10 (deep in the fuse) or
> see a Safety-Trim in operation in my Glastar out at 1N9 , Queen City
> Airport in Allentown PA.
>
> just send me an email rnewman@tcwtech.com
>
> Bob Newman
> www.tcwtech.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Snyder" <kmitch51@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List:Trim troubles and mods
>
>
> >
> > Hey William,
> > Looking at Mr. Newman's website it looks like he is just up the road from
> > you. Not far from me either.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146475#146475
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks |
Yes I do. I picked up one from Sears (Imperial 370FH) that works great
- 3 sizes, 180deg and anything else - no problem. I also have a cheapy
from Harbour Freight for 1/4" that works well too.
The problem I'm having is that I've managed to make 2 perfect 90deg
bends with perfect dimensions to get from the Andair fuel valve down to
the hole in the tunnel. But I can't fish the remaining straight part
thru the tunnel hole without curving and bending the section that is
supposed to be straight in the end.
John Dunne wrote:
>
> Hi Bill, have you got a decent tube bender? The one I bought from
> Spruce looks after multiple tubing diameters and can bend 180 deg no
> problem and no flat spots. I was so impressed, I started re-doing my
> lines just for the fun of it.(not really)
> John 40315
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> To: "RV10-List Digest Server" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:26 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks
>
>
>>
>> To those that have done this, any advice? Any concerrns about
>> minimum bend radius needed to get from the tunnel out? From what
>> I've read in the archives, several people have done this but haven't
>> found a lot of detail on the fuel versus the brake lines. (There may
>> be more to see once Kitlog starts working again).
>>
>> I was planning to run the aluminum lines but am having a real hard
>> time getting it in the fuselage after applying (2) 90deg bends.
>> Curving it doesn't seem to quite work. I can simply force it in by
>> bending and unbending but it gets scraped up.
>> So before ordering more tubing, I started to think that flexible
>> lines might be a good if more expensive solution. Aeroquip hoses
>> seems to be a popular choice.
>>
>> Bill Watson
>> 40605
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks |
OK, that's what I wanted to hear. I just need to find the right
source. I'm hoping one of the race houses in around Charlotte will be a
good source. I plan to mail order but they are close enough to visit in
person if I want.
Aeroquip, here I come.
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Exactly! You CAN'T bend and unbend AL tubing
> without worry about stress and work hardening.
> Thats what led me to flex lines too. They also spec.
> min. bend radius on flex lines too. too will find them
> much easier to work with.
>
> Tim - do not archive
>
>
>
>>
>> To those that have done this, any advice? Any concerrns about minimum
>> bend radius needed to get from the tunnel out? From what I've read in
>> the archives, several people have done this but haven't found a lot of
>> detail on the fuel versus the brake lines. (There may be more to see
>> once Kitlog starts working again).
>>
>> I was planning to run the aluminum lines but am having a real hard time
>> getting it in the fuselage after applying (2) 90deg bends. Curving it
>> doesn't seem to quite work. I can simply force it in by bending and
>> unbending but it gets scraped up.
>>
>> So before ordering more tubing, I started to think that flexible lines
>> might be a good if more expensive solution. Aeroquip hoses seems to be
>> a popular choice.
>>
>> Bill Watson
>> 40605
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks |
A couple of points...
1) Regarding line changes, if I could have taken the time to get
the exact measurement, there were some great conductive (use conductive
if you use teflon) hoses that I could have used. The only problem
is the ends aren't D.I.Y. so you have to have them made for you.
That would at least give a nice long service life. The Aeroquip
should last a long time but I'll probably replace them before
5-10 years. Probably closer to the latter. They actually hold up
great to all forms of fuel.
2) Regarding insulation, on the trip down and back to Vegas we used
cabin heat a bunch, being in the 25F range a lot. Some may remember
that this year I wrapped the SCAT for rear heat with the same
silver firewall insulation, all the way back to the fuel valve.
Now that I got a good chance to use cabin heat I think I can say
that I'd recommend insulating that SCAT all the way back. I notice
a very big difference in the top of the tunnel temp between the
insulated part and the non-insulated around the spar and aft. The
seat frames even soak in lots of heat when you have the rear heat
turned on far. By just wrapping the SCAT, you should be able to keep
the heat in the SCAT and not put it into the tunnel. Now, this has
nothing to do with the old popular complaint of hot tunnels
with no heat turned on....something that I personally no longer
believe is an issue if the builder takes a few steps to prevent
problems.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I used the flex lines, made them myself, they seek their own radius
> if you don't force them out of the tunnel through the same route as
> the aluminum lines. I can't see any reason not to use them, although
> there my be a bogey at my 6 coming out of the sun to tell me
> otherwise (NATO name johncox) I terminated them perfectly at the wing
> root, allows for flex at every area that may flex. I do plan on
> applying a time change to them, just not sure what that is yet but I
> suspect a minumum of every other or every third annual. Input for
> this is appreciated. They are fairly inexpensive and easy to make
> once you know the correct length. One real advanage is when using the
> andair, I could pull them togehter and route the rear cabin heat scat
> right on by the side. Insulated of course.
>
> Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver"
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> To: "RV10-List Digest Server"
> <rv10-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:26:57 PM
> (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Flexible fuel
> lines from Andair to tanks
>
>
> To those that have done this, any advice? Any concerrns about
> minimum bend radius needed to get from the tunnel out? From what
> I've read in the archives, several people have done this but haven't
> found a lot of detail on the fuel versus the brake lines. (There may
> be more to see once Kitlog starts working again).
>
> I was planning to run the aluminum lines but am having a real hard
> time getting it in the fuselage after applying (2) 90deg bends.
> Curving it doesn't seem to quite work. I can simply force it in by
> bending and unbending but it gets scraped up.
>
> So before ordering more tubing, I started to think that flexible
> lines might be a good if more expensive solution. Aeroquip hoses
> seems to be a popular choice.
>
> Bill Watson 40605
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flexible fuel lines from Andair to tanks |
On my site I think I have a reference....there should be a photo
of the line type I used too. You may find it by searching
"Summit" using the search on the site. I think I ordered my hose
from Summit. I could be way off and bought it locally, but
I can't remember for sure. Other than learning how to put the
hose ends on carefully, it was pretty simple. You just have to
be careful cutting the braid and keeping it taped so it doesn't
come apart as it goes in the fitting.
I think I used Aeroquip and XRP fittings. Seeing them side by
side they look basically identical.
Actually, here's a link:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20051228/index.html
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> OK, that's what I wanted to hear. I just need to find the right
> source. I'm hoping one of the race houses in around Charlotte will be a
> good source. I plan to mail order but they are close enough to visit in
> person if I want.
>
> Aeroquip, here I come.
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Exactly! You CAN'T bend and unbend AL tubing
>> without worry about stress and work hardening.
>> Thats what led me to flex lines too. They also spec.
>> min. bend radius on flex lines too. too will find them
>> much easier to work with.
>>
>> Tim - do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> To those that have done this, any advice? Any concerrns about minimum
>>> bend radius needed to get from the tunnel out? From what I've read in
>>> the archives, several people have done this but haven't found a lot of
>>> detail on the fuel versus the brake lines. (There may be more to see
>>> once Kitlog starts working again).
>>>
>>> I was planning to run the aluminum lines but am having a real hard time
>>> getting it in the fuselage after applying (2) 90deg bends. Curving it
>>> doesn't seem to quite work. I can simply force it in by bending and
>>> unbending but it gets scraped up.
>>>
>>> So before ordering more tubing, I started to think that flexible lines
>>> might be a good if more expensive solution. Aeroquip hoses seems to be
>>> a popular choice.
>>>
>>> Bill Watson
>>> 40605
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wheel pants and leg fairings during flight test |
I think I took the front off but left the rear on for sure. No big
deal. I did use flex teflon lines on the lower end though, so I
needed a way to keep them stationary, so I have adel clamps on
those mains that keep the hoses in nice loops. So, the lines stayed
just great for me.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> Have builders left the aluminium pieces on the nose and main wheels
> during initial flight tests? How well do brake lines do when clamped in
> place without fairings during testing?.
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: wheel pants and leg fairings during flight test |
I left my aluminum pieces on without wheel pants. No ill effect. No ill ef
fect with the brake lines either. I used the tape per plans in three place
s to hold the brake lines against the gear legs.
Anh
N591VU-105hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: wheel pants and leg fairings during flight test
Have builders left the aluminium pieces on the nose and main wheels durin
g initial flight tests? How well do brake lines do when clamped in place wi
thout fairings during testing?.
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