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1. 05:34 AM - Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly (MauleDriver)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly (Jesse Saint)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly (MauleDriver)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly (Tim Olson)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly (MauleDriver)
6. 07:26 AM - RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Tim Olson)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (scbt@comcast.net)
8. 07:52 AM - Re: Firewall penetrations (AirMike)
9. 08:26 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Tim Olson)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (pilotdds@aol.com)
11. 09:04 AM - Re: Painting and corrosion proofing the steps (Michael Kraus)
12. 09:13 AM - Re: Firewall penetrations (Scott Schmidt)
13. 09:23 AM - [Fw: NTSB prelim report on N289DT] (Jae Chang)
14. 09:39 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (neil)
15. 09:50 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Scott Schmidt)
16. 09:55 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
17. 10:15 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (David Jones)
18. 10:22 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Scott Schmidt)
19. 10:23 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Perry Casson - Home)
20. 10:25 AM - NTSB report is out on 289DT (Tim Olson)
21. 10:40 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Tim Olson)
22. 10:45 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Tim Olson)
23. 10:50 AM - thanksgiving (gommone7@bellsouth.net)
24. 11:15 AM - RV-10 report on line (Pascal)
25. 11:22 AM - [Fw: NTSB prelim report on N289DT] (Jae Chang)
26. 11:23 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
27. 12:10 PM - RV-10 Door Incidents (Tim Olson)
28. 12:22 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Mark Ritter)
29. 01:34 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Mark Ritter)
30. 02:39 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (dherring10)
31. 02:50 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Randy DeBauw)
32. 03:38 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Ted French)
33. 04:36 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Bill DeRouchey)
34. 06:02 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Wayne Edgerton)
35. 06:12 PM - V-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
36. 09:35 PM - Trutrak AP (David McNeill)
37. 10:21 PM - Re: Trutrak AP (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly |
It seems that the plans specify a 7/16" thick rod end bearing and a 1/2"
thick rod end bearing to both be fastened to the Idler arm clevis. But
the clevis is 7/16" wide.
I find it odd they the design would call for two rod end bearings of
different thicknesses to share a single clevis.
Did anyone else run into this or can you otherwise tell me where I'm
going wrong?
I've gone back and double checked the plans and the manual to find that:
The forward pushrod has rod end bearing MD3614M on its aft end, which
according to the builders manual is 7/16" thick
The rear pushrod has rod end bearing MD3616M on both ends which
according to the builders manual is 1/2" thick
I think I can force the idler arm clevis to accept both but that just
doesn't seem like good design or practice.
Bill Watson
40605
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly |
The smaller of the two gets washers to make up the space.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> It seems that the plans specify a 7/16" thick rod end bearing and a 1/2"
> thick rod end bearing to both be fastened to the Idler arm clevis. But
> the clevis is 7/16" wide.
>
> I find it odd they the design would call for two rod end bearings of
> different thicknesses to share a single clevis.
>
> Did anyone else run into this or can you otherwise tell me where I'm
> going wrong?
>
> I've gone back and double checked the plans and the manual to find that:
> The forward pushrod has rod end bearing MD3614M on its aft end, which
> according to the builders manual is 7/16" thick
> The rear pushrod has rod end bearing MD3616M on both ends which
> according to the builders manual is 1/2" thick
>
> I think I can force the idler arm clevis to accept both but that just
> doesn't seem like good design or practice.
>
> Bill Watson
> 40605
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly |
Duh.... Nevermind. The walk back from the hangar in the crisp morning
air provided some insight. I went back and once again looked at the
plans focusing on the washer configuration. Looking carefully, I see
that to 10L washers are used inside the clevis to build up the thinner
rod end. With a push and a squeeze, that should work.
Bill "more coffee" Watson
40605
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> It seems that the plans specify a 7/16" thick rod end bearing and a
> 1/2" thick rod end bearing to both be fastened to the Idler arm
> clevis. But the clevis is 7/16" wide.
>
> I find it odd they the design would call for two rod end bearings of
> different thicknesses to share a single clevis.
>
> Did anyone else run into this or can you otherwise tell me where I'm
> going wrong?
>
> I've gone back and double checked the plans and the manual to find that:
> The forward pushrod has rod end bearing MD3614M on its aft end, which
> according to the builders manual is 7/16" thick
> The rear pushrod has rod end bearing MD3616M on both ends which
> according to the builders manual is 1/2" thick
>
> I think I can force the idler arm clevis to accept both but that just
> doesn't seem like good design or practice.
>
> Bill Watson
> 40605
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly |
Bill, what page and control arm number are you talking about?
I see page 39-3 with a F-1089 that uses a GMM-4M-675 on the
forward end, and a MD3614M on the aft. Then on page 39-4
there's a F-1090 that uses 2 of the MD3616M's. And, then
on page 39-6 it shows th attachment of the aft end of F-1089
with it's MD3614M connecting to the idler arm with the
F-1090's MD3616M, but you can see washers inserted on that
forward part of the idler arm for the smaller one. That bracket
should be big enough for both of those, not small so you have
to stuff the larger one in.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> It seems that the plans specify a 7/16" thick rod end bearing and a 1/2"
> thick rod end bearing to both be fastened to the Idler arm clevis. But
> the clevis is 7/16" wide.
>
> I find it odd they the design would call for two rod end bearings of
> different thicknesses to share a single clevis.
>
> Did anyone else run into this or can you otherwise tell me where I'm
> going wrong?
>
> I've gone back and double checked the plans and the manual to find that:
> The forward pushrod has rod end bearing MD3614M on its aft end, which
> according to the builders manual is 7/16" thick
> The rear pushrod has rod end bearing MD3616M on both ends which
> according to the builders manual is 1/2" thick
>
> I think I can force the idler arm clevis to accept both but that just
> doesn't seem like good design or practice.
>
> Bill Watson
> 40605
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator pushrod idler arm assembly |
I missed the washers. I just didn't focus in on where they were to be
inserted. Too early in the morning and not enough caffeine.
However, the idler arm 'clevis' measures 7/16" rather than the 1/2"
needed but after a little coaxing it shouldn't be a problem.
Thanks.
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Bill, what page and control arm number are you talking about?
>
> I see page 39-3 with a F-1089 that uses a GMM-4M-675 on the
> forward end, and a MD3614M on the aft. Then on page 39-4
> there's a F-1090 that uses 2 of the MD3616M's. And, then
> on page 39-6 it shows th attachment of the aft end of F-1089
> with it's MD3614M connecting to the idler arm with the
> F-1090's MD3616M, but you can see washers inserted on that
> forward part of the idler arm for the smaller one. That bracket
> should be big enough for both of those, not small so you have
> to stuff the larger one in.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> MauleDriver wrote:
>>
>> It seems that the plans specify a 7/16" thick rod end bearing and a
>> 1/2" thick rod end bearing to both be fastened to the Idler arm
>> clevis. But the clevis is 7/16" wide.
>>
>> I find it odd they the design would call for two rod end bearings of
>> different thicknesses to share a single clevis.
>>
>> Did anyone else run into this or can you otherwise tell me where I'm
>> going wrong?
>>
>> I've gone back and double checked the plans and the manual to find that:
>> The forward pushrod has rod end bearing MD3614M on its aft end, which
>> according to the builders manual is 7/16" thick
>> The rear pushrod has rod end bearing MD3616M on both ends which
>> according to the builders manual is 1/2" thick
>>
>> I think I can force the idler arm clevis to accept both but that just
>> doesn't seem like good design or practice.
>>
>> Bill Watson
>> 40605
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
(**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
K203JJ - 155 hrs
>
>
>
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<DIV>K203JJ - 155 hrs</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall penetrations |
Every RV builder should check out EPM-AVCORP.com before they start working on their
FIREwall. Regardless of which way you go, you should have the information.
This guy has done the research.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147698#147698
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
> days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
> gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
> post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
> (**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
> THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
> and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
> we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
> we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
> based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
> seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
> may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
> I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
>
************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
Hours N-Number
----- --------
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
155 K203JJ
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
728DD--175
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 7:25 am
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
?
I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple?
days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're?
gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this?
post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,?
(**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK?
THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean?
and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total?
we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,?
we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet?
based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it?
seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that?
may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.?
I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.?
?
-- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying?
?
************************************?
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****?
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****?
************************************?
?
310 N104CD?
580 N64VC?
?
?
?
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Painting and corrosion proofing the steps |
I installed the bolts upside down for this very reason, and drilled a 1/2'' hole
in the bottom of the fuse and filled it with a hole plug. In the baggage floor
I installed two of the same access panels used on the wings for the stall
mechanism.
I ended up chrome plating my steps, the sure do look purdy and hopefully will be
durable. If not, at least it won't be too hard to swap them out.
-Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: 11/20/07 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Painting and corrosion proofing the steps
Scott,
Have you tried to put the bold in the receiver when the side wall panels are on.
I can't remember, but I think the bolt was too long to fit without either making
an additional hole in the floor(Behind those side panels) or also having
the side panels removable with screws and nutplates.
John G. 409
What I did for the step was to simply cut access holes in my baggage compartment
so I could take the steps on and off. I just manufactured a simple cover with
nutplates. Then you don't have to worry about the step right now
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall penetrations |
http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html
I really liked these for all my wires. Just order the biggest one if you go this
route. The smaller ones are much more difficult to work with. I used the
eyeball style for my throttle, prop and mixture and for my three cables that power
the electronic ignition.
http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/518426/1/53556340/Medium
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:37:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall penetrations
Firewall penetrations
G'day all,
I am about to work the firewall for wire and cable pass throughs. What penetration
techniques have people found the best - eyeballs, s/s grommet covers, tube/firesleeve
etc?
Are there any specific locations to avoid when making the penetrations? Is there
a 'best spot'?
What is the best way to cut 'largish' holes (ie >1/2") into the stainless??
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
Ron
187 finishing
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| Subject: | [Fwd: NTSB prelim report on N289DT] |
Looks like the NTSB prelim report is released...
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NTSB prelim report on N289DT
From: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
Has anyone posted this link to the RV-10 matronics list ?
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 071120X01821&key=1
g
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
20 ZK-RVT
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
Is there anyone at the factory right now monitoring this thread?
Do you know what their two planes have on them?
Scott Schmidt
Do not archive
----- Original Message ----
From: "pilotdds@aol.com" <pilotdds@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:28:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
728DD--175
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 7:25 am
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
(**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
-- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
YA'LL HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING
DP
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 9:25 am
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
?
I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple?
days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're?
gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this?
post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,?
(**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK?
THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean?
and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total?
we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,?
we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet?
based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it?
seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that?
may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.?
I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.?
?
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying?
?
************************************?
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****?
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****?
************************************?
?
310 N104CD?
580 N64VC
85?? N372RV
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>Sent: Nov 21, 2007 11:09 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
>
>
>
>Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
>> days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
>> gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
>> post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
>> (**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
>> THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
>> and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
>> we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
>> we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
>> based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
>> seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
>> may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
>> I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
>>
>
>************************************
>**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
>**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
>************************************
>Hours N-Number
>----- --------
>310 N104CD
>580 N64VC
>155 K203JJ
086 N331DJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
> days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
> gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
> post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
> (**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
> THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
> and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
> we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
> we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
> based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
> seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
> may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
> I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
>
************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
Hours N-Number
----- --------
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
155 K203JJ
290 N104XP
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**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
155 K203JJ
20 C-FMHP
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| Subject: | NTSB report is out on 289DT |
The following just came out of the NTSB.
NTSB Identification: NYC08LA023
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, November 02, 2007 in Greenville, PA
Aircraft: Vans Aircraft RV-10, registration: N289DT
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
report has been completed.
On November 2, 2007, at 0830 eastern daylight time, an amateur built
Vans RV-10, N289DT, was substantially damaged when it impacted terrain
near Greenville, Pennsylvania. The certificated private pilot was
fatally injured. Day visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the
local flight that departed Greenville Municipal Airport (4G1),
Greenville, Pennsylvania. No flight plan was filed for the personal
flight conducted under 14 CFR Part 91.
According to a family member, the pilot had driven to the airport to
practice "touch and go's" and to make sure everything was functioning
properly, prior to a planned afternoon trip in the airplane with his
family to Boston, Massachusetts.
Witness interviews were conducted by the Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA) and the Safety Board, and while no one saw the airplane depart
4G1, the airplane was observed by a witness at approximately 0800
traveling in a northwesterly direction at low altitude, moving "fast,"
and sounding like it was "running strong like a Ford Mustang
(turbocharged) Cobra that the witness once owned." At approximately
0825, the airplane was again observed but, this time by multiple
witnesses. Descriptions varied between witness statements as to the
altitude, direction of flight, and velocity of the airplane; however,
the preponderance of witness statements were that the airplane was
flying north on the east side of Pennsylvania State Route 58, and seemed
to make a circle to the left at approximately 500 feet above ground
level (agl). It was next observed to travel in a westerly direction, fly
across Route 58 and make another turn to the left with the engine
"revving up and down," and losing altitude. When it reached
approximately 50-feet agl and was heading east, the airplane rolled
wings level and impacted a cornfield in a 35 to 60 degree nose down
attitude. A fireball erupted, and the airplane slid approximately
100-feet. It then impacted the shoulder of Route 58, nosed over, and
came to rest inverted on the roadway.
The amateur built airplane, was a four place, low wing monoplane. It was
equipped with a non-certificated Eggenfellner E6T/220, which was a water
cooled, fuel injected, turbo-charged, six cylinder engine. The
airplane's special airworthiness certificate was issued on July 10, 2007.
The pilot held a private pilot certificate, with a rating for airplane
single engine land. His most recent FAA third class medical certificate
was issued on March 14, 2006. According to his pilot logbook, he had
accrued 221.4 total hours of flight experience.
A weather observation taken about 23 minutes after the accident at Port
Meadville Airport (GKJ), Meadville, Pennsylvania, located about 14
nautical miles northeast of the accident site, recorded the winds as 090
degrees at 4 knots, visibility 10 miles, sky clear, temperature 1 degree
Celsius, dew point -2 degrees Celsius, and an altimeter setting of 30.36
inches of mercury.
The wreckage was retained by the Safety Board for further examination.
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To all:
I guess, don't worry about cleaning up the message as
you go and adding yours to the bottom. Since 2 or more
people can reply at the same time, that could mean someones
gets left out. I'll just watch all of them come in
and make a list and then repost the list so far
a couple times for the next couple days. That way you
can just delete all of the emails in the thread coming
in and you'll be left with a cleaned up one now and then.
I guess my foresight was a little lacking here. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Scott Schmidt wrote:
>
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
> >
> > I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
> > days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
> > gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
> > post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
> > (**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
> > THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
> > and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
> > we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
> > we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
> > based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
> > seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
> > may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
> > I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
> >
>
> ************************************
> **** RV-10 total flying hours ****
> **** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
> ************************************
> Hours N-Number
> ----- --------
> 310 N104CD
> 580 N64VC
> 155 K203JJ
> 290 N104XP
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Just re-cleaning the thread....
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
> days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
> gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
> post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
> (**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
> THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
> and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
> we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
> we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
> based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
> seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
> may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
> I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
>
************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
Hours N-Number
----- --------
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
155 K203JJ
85 N372RV
175 N728DD
20 ZK-RVT
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Happy thanksgiving to everybody ,and safe fly.
Hugo 40456
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| Subject: | RV-10 report on line |
NTSB Preliminary Report is online.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 071120X01821&key=1
..."the preponderance of witness statements were that the airplane was
flying north on the east side of Pennsylvania State Route 58, and
seemed to make a circle to the left at approximately 500 feet above
ground level (agl). It was next observed to travel in a westerly
direction, fly across Route 58 and make another turn to the left with
the engine "revving up and down," and losing altitude. When it reached
approximately 50-feet agl and was heading east, the airplane rolled
wings level and impacted a cornfield in a 35 to 60 degree nose down
attitude. A fireball erupted, and the airplane slid approximately 100-
feet. It then impacted the shoulder of Route 58, nosed over, and came
to rest inverted on the roadway."...
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| Subject: | [Fwd: NTSB prelim report on N289DT] |
oops. i meant to only forward the link. i didn't mean to post anyone's
email addresses out to the world, including my own. sorry Gerry!
Jae
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************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
340 N519RV
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| Subject: | RV-10 Door Incidents |
Sorry to not post just all good cheer before a holiday, but
a safety message well received should be cheery, right?
A former RV-10 owner saw the write up I did from early this
week and that prompted him to call me today. He's a
professional pilot, with many many thousand hours of experience,
and is a CFI (and more). He said he hadn't posted anything
previously because it is indeed embarrassing to tell a story
of poor preparation...things like missing something on a
checklist and then having an incident. But reading the
write up he felt compelled to share his story. He's not
involved in our online community any more, but asked me
if I'd mind telling it for him. (And no, to make sure this
isn't mis-attributed, it was not the famous red/white
plane of Vic's)
The basic story is simple. A passenger was along, and as
they taxied along, they were less "sterile cockpit" than
what you may prefer. This caused them to overlook the
checklist item of verifying the doors closed and latched.
They got their VFR takeoff clearance, and as they rotated,
the door came up. His headset was twisted sideways, as
your body's edge is a little in the air stream when this
happen, so he quickly moved to put his headset back on,
and as he looked up at the door, it departed the aircraft.
With 8000' of runway, there was room to do a gentle
landing, and taxi back to grab the door. The issue is,
he said it was an extremely rattling event...much like
an "explosion" to use his words, when that door opened.
He believed that it was startling enough that some day,
a door opening event would cause a bad accident....not
because the plane flew poorly (he said it flew just
great without the door), but because the pilot will
be too startled and may react inappropriately.
Now, although not much has been written on forums about
RV-10's and doors, it's pretty well known to some that
there have indeed been a handful of RV-10 door incidents
where the door was either torn off or nearly torn off,
due to improper latching. I'm not sure how many...probably
under 10, but over 5. This is just a guess, but I'd
have to say that I believe this is about the only mechanical
type issue we've seen that has caused damage to a plane.
So, it's something to absolutely take seriously with your
checklist. Does the RV-10 need a door redesign? Well,
it would be a lie to say you couldn't design a better door
system, but, it is what it is. In reality, although
the doors have this potential, if the pilot is diligent
you'll very likely never see an incident, and this pilot
knows that. He knew he screwed up. Van's also knew their
design wasn't perhaps as ideal as a Cirrus, for instance,
but it is a simple design that a homebuilder can handle
easily. Van's has known this for a long time, and they
came out with their door latch warning system just to
combat this problem with inattentive pilots. It monitors
the door pins and there are lights and a buzzer to let
you know if the pins aren't secured properly. Given
that addition, there's no reason you should have to
have as much worry. This pilot did not have that system
installed because he felt he may become too reliant on
the sensing hardware, rather than a good checklist
procedure....and hardware fails too. Well, as is easy
to guess...pilots probably fail more often than hardware
does, and that's what happened here. It's something
that could happen to any of us.
I write this all here as a reminder from him to pay
attention to this item very closely in your piloting.
It is the one known issue that you really have to
watch for. But once those doors are latched and the
roll pin is seated tightly in the latch mechanism,
it is also true that there is no reason you should
have a door come off, so you should not be overly
alarmed at the mere potential.
Please, as you flying RV-10 owners take to the skies both
this Holiday season and beyond, check the doors, and
instill it in your families to all participate in the
door pin check. Install the latch warning system and
use it. Admittedly, since the system came out after I
was flying I have not yet installed my kit, but this is
quickly helping me to move it higher on the to-do list,
and I need to be extra cautious. Also, thanks to our
former RV-10 pal who was willing to share his story
and a learning experience with you all.
Happy Thanksgiving!
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:25:06 -0600> From: Tim@MyRV10.com> To: rv10-lis
t@matronics.com> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple> days and see if we ca
n find out what kind of hours we're> gathering as a fleet. If you have a fl
ying RV-10, take this> post, add your N-number and total hours to the botto
m of the list,> (**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK> TH
AT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean> and lean email), and
lets see what kind of running total> we can come up with in the next couple
days. From there,> we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions abou
t the fleet> based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but
it> seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that> may
not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.> I'll add w
hat I know was Vic's before he sold it.> > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD -
Flying> > > ************************************> **** RV-10 total flying h
ours ****> **** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****> **************************
===============> > >
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> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:36:47 -0600> From: Tim@MyRV10.com> To: rv10-lis
t@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit y
ll:> > I guess, don't worry about cleaning up the message as> you go and ad
ding yours to the bottom. Since 2 or more> people can reply at the same tim
e, that could mean someones> gets left out. I'll just watch all of them com
e in> and make a list and then repost the list so far> a couple times for t
he next couple days. That way you> can just delete all of the emails in the
thread coming> in and you'll be left with a cleaned up one now and then.>
I guess my foresight was a little lacking here. ;)> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N10
4CD - Flying> do not archive> > > Scott Schmidt wrote:> > > > > > > > Tim O
> > <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>> > >> > > I'd like to kind of get a quick inf
ormal survey for a couple> > > days and see if we can find out what kind of
hours we're> > > gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take th
is> > > post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,>
> > (**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK> > > THAT GETS
ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean> > > and lean email), and let
s see what kind of running total> > > we can come up with in the next coupl
e days. From there,> > > we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions
about the fleet> > > based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for t
his, but it> > > seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10
's that> > > may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go a
head.> > > I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.> > >> > > > **
**********************************> > **** RV-10 total flying hours ****> >
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****> > **********************************
**> > Hours N-Number> > ----- --------> > 310 N104CD> > 580 N64VC> > 155 K2
==============> > >
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I think all of you guys are just bragging, trying to make us non-flyers feel bad!
[Laughing]
Dwayne Herring
40506
fighting with canopy & doors
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147778#147778
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
(**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
225 N610RV
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C-FXCS - 70 hrs
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 Flying
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N939SB 155hrs
N504LB 150hrs
Ted French <ted_french@telus.net> wrote:
C-FXCS - 70 hrs
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 Flying
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N602WT 85hrs
Wayne Edgerton
do not archive
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| Subject: | V-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
In a message dated 11/21/2007 10:28:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I'd like to kind of get a quick informal survey for a couple
> days and see if we can find out what kind of hours we're
> gathering as a fleet. If you have a flying RV-10, take this
> post, add your N-number and total hours to the bottom of the list,
> (**Round it to the nearest 5) and TRIM OUT ALL THE JUNK
> THAT GETS ADDED BELOW IT (We'll try to keep it a clean
> and lean email), and lets see what kind of running total
> we can come up with in the next couple days. From there,
> we can expand on it and make some wild assumptions about the fleet
> based on about 110-115 flying. No major purpose for this, but it
> seemed like a cool thing to do. If you know of other RV-10's that
> may not post to the list, and want to post their numbers, go ahead.
> I'll add what I know was Vic's before he sold it.
>
************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours ****
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
Hours N-Number
----- --------
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
155 K203JJ
65 N184JM
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I have have the Digiflite II V2.20. The aircraft is not flying; roll servo
harness is in dsub for wing connection. pitch servo harness is connected to
the elevator control horn. When testing the controller, I find that the
units turns on and properly indicates when receiving the GPS signal. The
Problem is that the ALT Hold function can not be disengaged without going
into setup mode and and turning off the pitch servo altogether. Is something
wrong with the harness? the unit? or are these strange results in response
to a system only partially connected? TT has updated the software once
already and the aircraft has not left the garage.
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David,
I've got good news, and bad news. The bad news is that yes, that's
the way it works. If you want no ALT hold, then you have to
hold the ALT button down until you're in the config menu
and just set it to not be on. I'm not sure why they
didn't make it able to be a wing leveler only, but other than
that method, there isn't a way that I've found.
There's more bad news... Version 2.20 is not going to be what
you'll want to fly with considering you have a good vertically
integrated system. 2.20 contains the rounding bug that will
cause pitch oscillations. So, perhaps before you get too far
along and into that pre-first-flight crunch, you may want to
get it up to at least 2.24, which does work well.
Now, for the good news... I haven't found that there's really
been much for times that I care about the seemingly goofy
step of turning the ALT hold off. Once you hook that AP to
the EFIS for doing your flights, you'll be able to set
altitude preselects on your Chelton, it will climb to altitude,
do your descents, both lateral and vertical controlling, heading
mode, and pretty much anything you would want. The only time
it would be at all handy to have the ALT hold off is if you
for some reason really want to hand fly the altitude only, but
let the EFIS or AP take care of the lateral steering....which
would kind of be strange since you HAVE the functionality to
make life easy. Plus, for those few times when you really
just want to get the climb going right away, the EFIS makes
hand flying so easy that you can just disengage the AP and
it's still easy. I know, you probably think the whole
situation sucks right now....but just wait until you fly
it...it works very well.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> I have have the Digiflite II V2.20. The aircraft is not flying; roll
> servo harness is in dsub for wing connection. pitch servo harness is
> connected to the elevator control horn. When testing the controller, I
> find that the units turns on and properly indicates when receiving the
> GPS signal. The Problem is that the *ALT Hold* function can not be
> disengaged without going into setup mode and and turning off the pitch
> servo altogether. Is something wrong with the harness? the unit? or are
> these strange results in response to a system only partially
> connected? TT has updated the software once already and the aircraft has
> not left the garage.
>
> *
>
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