---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/25/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: Trutrak AP (Eric Ekberg) 2. 04:39 AM - Re: Landing Light Question (Bob Leffler) 3. 04:47 AM - Re: Landing Light Question (Bob Leffler) 4. 04:55 AM - Re: Landing Light Question (Jim & Julie Wade) 5. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: Landing Light Question (Bob Leffler) 6. 06:26 AM - Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak (johngoodman) 7. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Landing Light Question (David Maib) 8. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Landing Light Question (Robin Marks) 9. 04:36 PM - Good flying over vacation (Tim Olson) 10. 05:25 PM - Rivethead Aero (Les Kearney) 11. 05:43 PM - Re: Good flying over vacation (Deems Davis) 12. 05:57 PM - Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak (AirMike) 13. 06:00 PM - Re: Rivethead Aero (AirMike) 14. 06:13 PM - Re: Landing Light Question (Albert Gardner) 15. 06:19 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Albert Gardner) 16. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Landing Light Question (David Maib) 17. 07:14 PM - Re: paint prices (AirMike) 18. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Rivethead Aero (Ben Westfall) 19. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak (Larry Rosen) 20. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: paint prices (Kelly McMullen) 21. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: Rivethead Aero (Les Kearney) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:21 AM PST US From: "Eric Ekberg" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trutrak AP Just as another datapoint, my alt hold won't turn off either on my VS (or VSG - I don't recall). I read through the manual several times and eventually reached the conclusion that the problem wasn't with me. I've been meaning to investigate further, but haven't gotten around to it. On Nov 22, 2007 7:54 AM, Perry Casson - Home wrote: > Pretty darn sure pressing "Alt" a 2nd time would turn off Alt Hold on my > unit. Not sure what version I'm running but will check later today. > > > Perry > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David McNeill > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:29 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Trutrak AP > > > I have have the Digiflite II V2.20. The aircraft is not flying; roll servo > harness is in dsub for wing connection. pitch servo harness is connected to > the elevator control horn. When testing the controller, I find that the > units turns on and properly indicates when receiving the GPS signal. The > Problem is that the *ALT Hold* function can not be disengaged without > going into setup mode and and turning off the pitch servo altogether. Is > something wrong with the harness? the unit? or are these strange results in > response to a system only partially connected? TT has updated the software > once already and the aircraft has not left the garage. > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:21 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question Are there any RV's that are flying with the AeroLEDs installed? From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gipson Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question Check out the Aerosun LED landing lights. I've installed in my 10, yet to fly. www.aeroleds.com _____ From: rv@thelefflers.com Subject: RV10-List: Landing Light Question I'm just getting ready to order my wings. For those of you that are flying, would you make a different decision on what lighting you installed or would you do the same thing in your next aircraft? I'm debating between the Duckworks HID in the leading edge or a HID in the wingtip. Thanks, Bob ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:39 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question Albert, Are you using the standard Van's OP36 kit? Although I would suspect if there are shadowing issues, they would be present in all the other wing tip vendors solutions too. Thanks, bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question I'm not happy with the wingtip lights myself. If I try to get them to converge toward the center so that the center stripe shows up, the wingtip blocks a lot of the light. I think I will add an additional light either in the cowl or in the leading edge of one wing. The light themselves are bright enough I think but leave a very dark area right in front of the plane. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- I'm just getting ready to order my wings. For those of you that are flying, would you make a different decision on what lighting you installed or would you do the same thing in your next aircraft? I'm debating between the Duckworks HID in the leading edge or a HID in the wingtip. Thanks, Bob __________ NOD32 2684 (20071125) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:36 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Landing Light Question From: "Jim & Julie Wade" Lopesti has a kit for the RV10. Fits right in the tip. 1000000 lumins. I fly in and out of an unlit grass strip and the lights are the only reason I can the old lights were useless. The Loprestis light the runway from end to end. Also you can run them all the time, because power draw is minimal and the bulb has a 5000 hour life. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148368#148368 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:42 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Landing Light Question Hmmm...... I can't seem to find these on their web site. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Julie Wade Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Landing Light Question Lopesti has a kit for the RV10. Fits right in the tip. 1000000 lumins. I fly in and out of an unlit grass strip and the lights are the only reason I can the old lights were useless. The Loprestis light the runway from end to end. Also you can run them all the time, because power draw is minimal and the bulb has a 5000 hour life. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148368#148368 __________ NOD32 2684 (20071125) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:18 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak From: "johngoodman" The Trio servos are the same way. They had a few general suggestions and some photos of RV-6s, but you're on your own. They also gave a pretty good idea on where it fits to the bellcrank. While we are on the subject, I plan on creating a mounting plate that takes advantage of the two outboard bolts that attach the bellcrank bracket to the spar. The problem is the outboard end of the mounting plate needs support as well. I'm reluctant to drill the spar for a pull rivet - any comments? John -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148376#148376 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:25 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Landing Light Question The lights are not on the LoPresti web site. Give them a call and they will direct you to them. I tried to install them on my airplane and they would not fit with the SafeAir1 ER tip tanks. They would have been fine without the tip tanks. I know Jim Wade has tip tanks and the LoPresti lights. His was the prototype installation done by LoPresti and I suspect the brackets may be slightly different. The brackets that came with my kit did not match the dimensions of the brackets in the scale drawings, and I am pretty sure that caused my problem. The folks at LoPresti are very good to work with and provide good customer service. David Maib 40559 On Nov 25, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: Hmmm...... I can't seem to find these on their web site. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Julie Wade Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Landing Light Question Lopesti has a kit for the RV10. Fits right in the tip. 1000000 lumins. I fly in and out of an unlit grass strip and the lights are the only reason I can the old lights were useless. The Loprestis light the runway from end to end. Also you can run them all the time, because power draw is minimal and the bulb has a 5000 hour life. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148368#148368 __________ NOD32 2684 (20071125) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Landing Light Question From: "Robin Marks" I don't see pricing for the Boom Beam system on their site. Do anyone know about what they cost? Robin 40570 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:20 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Good flying over vacation I had a good couple of flights while off for the Thanksgiving holidays. I did something I don't do too often...spent some time alone in the cockpit. I decided to get some good comparisons between ROP and LOP and see how it shook out again. Here's a link: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071125/index.html I'm pretty darn impressed with the climb in the RV-10. When you're alone, if you keep that nose up and climb at 105-110 kts, you're going up a pretty steep escalator. I found myself level at 8500' (ground is about 900 here) at 5 minutes 20 seconds today, and that wasn't climbing at either Vx or Vy...just doing a normal non-precision relaxed climb. You guys, you're really gonna love your airplanes! -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:08 PM PST US From: Les Kearney Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead Aero Hi I was trying to access the Rivet Head website and was unable to connect. Does anyone know if there is a problem with Rivethead (aside from there legendary slow response time?) Cheers Les Kearney #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues (but on the last few bars) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:35 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good flying over vacation Tim Olson wrote: > > > I'm pretty darn impressed with the climb in the RV-10. When > you're alone, if you keep that nose up and climb at 105-110 kts, > you're going up a pretty steep escalator. I found myself > level at 8500' (ground is about 900 here) at 5 minutes 20 seconds > today, and that wasn't climbing at either Vx or Vy...just > doing a normal non-precision relaxed climb. > > You guys, you're really gonna love your airplanes! > You're killing me! ;-) Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:51 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak From: "AirMike" Pitch Servo Installation RV10 As supplied with torque enhancement rail 1. Confirm that a .20 hole has been drilled in the proper position on the bellcrank per the plans for the RV10. Placement and sizing of this hole is of the utmost importance. 2. If it came with your kit, remove (discard or use for another function) the pitch servo bracket supplied by Vans Aircraft. Use only the pitch servo bracket supplied with the autopilot servo by TruTrak. 3. Place the servo unit on a stable surface and remove the stainless steel screw and nylon washer holding the drive wheel and torque rail to the drive shaft. Carefully set the screw and nylon washer aside. Note the small brass screw on the drive wheel so that you can reposition it in the same position as it is when removed. Carefully pry or lift the drive wheel and torque rail off of the drive shaft. 4. Take the drive wheel rail and torque rail. On the forward edge take the eyebolt and screw the Rod end bearing #MM-3-300 into the torque rail approximately half way, using the supplied standard nut as a locking device. Tighten the nut against the aluminum torque rail. 5. Attach the servo bracket to the airframe per the photo supplied by TruTrak. Please note that bracket is attached to the inside right line of bolts adjacent to the bellcrank. Secure the (3) AN3 bolts and the (1) single AN515-8R8 screw and torque to the proper value. Mark the torqued bolts with security paint or colored nail polish. 6. Position the servo motor on the outside of the bracket in such a way as the drive wheel protrudes thru the bracket and the four bolt holes on the bracket line up with the four bolt holes on the servo motor. When you look at the servo unit, the electric motor will be aft and the Connector plug part of the servo will be forward with the connector plug facing outward (away from the bellcrank) 7. Attach the servo motor to the bracket using the four supplied AN3 bolts and the rough washers. Secure the AN3 bolts and torque to the proper value. Mark the torqued bolts with security paint or colored nail polish. Safety wire the four bolts at your option. 8. Reposition the drive wheel in the same position as it is when removed. Reattach the stainless steel screw and nylon washer to the drive shaft (now with the attached eyebolt). 9. Secure the rod end to the bellcrank as follows: Insert supplied AN3 bolt through the bellcrank from the pilot side insert aluminum spacer insert rod end bearing insert large cadmium plated washer and secure these pieces with 10-32 lock nut. Torque to the proper value and mark the torqued bolts as before. 10. Check that , when moved, the toque rail clears the two retaining bolts on the upper side of the servo motor. 11. This is a good time to be sure that you have made provision to install/secure the static lines and install any needed security fittings for the wire/s that operate the pitch servo unit. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148485#148485 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:25 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero From: "AirMike" Yea - he has my money - I hope that I get my door pins. I think that I sent the money in early October. It is concerning that his web site is down -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148488#148488 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:03 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question Yes, my wingtips are totally stock. I don't think brighter lights are the answer because of the shadowing issue. I really like to get the center stripe up even at a familiar field. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Albert, Are you using the standard Van's OP36 kit? Although I would suspect if there are shadowing issues, they would be present in all the other wing tip vendors solutions too. Thanks, bob ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:41 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours -----Original Message----- N591VU 110hours N991RV 12 hours ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:41 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Landing Light Question I think the normal price is about $800 for the complete kit. David 40559 On Nov 25, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Robin Marks wrote: I don't see pricing for the Boom Beam system on their site. Do anyone know about what they cost? Robin 40570 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: paint prices From: "AirMike" I was quoted ( over the phone) 7K-9K by Kracon in Lincoln, CA They are a respected shop, but it was sight unseen, and a few details in the quote showed that they were unfamiliar with the RV10. Quote required removal and reinstall of control surfaces -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148503#148503 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:45 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero He's slow but I am pretty sure he's always delivered. I recently got my door pin set after about a 3 month wait. -Ben Westfall #40579 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero Yea - he has my money - I hope that I get my door pins. I think that I sent the money in early October. It is concerning that his web site is down -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148488#148488 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:26 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak step 8: Use loctite on the stainless steel screw. Larry Rosen #356 AirMike wrote: > > Pitch Servo Installation RV10 > As supplied with torque enhancement rail > 1. Confirm that a .20 hole has been drilled in the proper position on the bellcrank per the plans for the RV10. Placement and sizing of this hole is of the utmost importance. > 2. If it came with your kit, remove (discard or use for another function) the pitch servo bracket supplied by Vans Aircraft. Use only the pitch servo bracket supplied with the autopilot servo by TruTrak. > 3. Place the servo unit on a stable surface and remove the stainless steel screw and nylon washer holding the drive wheel and torque rail to the drive shaft. Carefully set the screw and nylon washer aside. Note the small brass screw on the drive wheel so that you can reposition it in the same position as it is when removed. Carefully pry or lift the drive wheel and torque rail off of the drive shaft. > 4. Take the drive wheel rail and torque rail. On the forward edge take the eyebolt and screw the Rod end bearing #MM-3-300 into the torque rail approximately half way, using the supplied standard nut as a locking device. Tighten the nut against the aluminum torque rail. > 5. Attach the servo bracket to the airframe per the photo supplied by TruTrak. Please note that bracket is attached to the inside right line of bolts adjacent to the bellcrank. Secure the (3) AN3 bolts and the (1) single AN515-8R8 screw and torque to the proper value. Mark the torqued bolts with security paint or colored nail polish. > 6. Position the servo motor on the outside of the bracket in such a way as the drive wheel protrudes thru the bracket and the four bolt holes on the bracket line up with the four bolt holes on the servo motor. When you look at the servo unit, the electric motor will be aft and the Connector plug part of the servo will be forward with the connector plug facing outward (away from the bellcrank) > 7. Attach the servo motor to the bracket using the four supplied AN3 bolts and the rough washers. Secure the AN3 bolts and torque to the proper value. Mark the torqued bolts with security paint or colored nail polish. Safety wire the four bolts at your option. > 8. Reposition the drive wheel in the same position as it is when removed. Reattach the stainless steel screw and nylon washer to the drive shaft (now with the attached eyebolt). > 9. Secure the rod end to the bellcrank as follows: Insert supplied AN3 bolt through the bellcrank from the pilot side insert aluminum spacer insert rod end bearing insert large cadmium plated washer and secure these pieces with 10-32 lock nut. Torque to the proper value and mark the torqued bolts as before. > 10. Check that , when moved, the toque rail clears the two retaining bolts on the upper side of the servo motor. > 11. This is a good time to be sure that you have made provision to install/secure the static lines and install any needed security fittings for the wire/s that operate the pitch servo unit. > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust > Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148485#148485 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:09 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: paint prices As it should. Control surfaces should be painted off the plane and re-balanced before install. Paint does change the balance. On Nov 25, 2007 8:14 PM, AirMike wrote: > - > Quote required removal and reinstall of control surfaces > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust > Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:45 PM PST US From: Les Kearney Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero Hi Again Does anyone have a phone # for Rivethead. I was planning to order a door pin set. Cheers Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: November-25-07 8:25 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero He's slow but I am pretty sure he's always delivered. I recently got my door pin set after about a 3 month wait. -Ben Westfall #40579 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero Yea - he has my money - I hope that I get my door pins. I think that I sent the money in early October. 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