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0. 12:06 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec 1! (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:04 AM - Re: Re: Rivethead Aero (Chris and Susie McGough)
2. 05:48 AM - Re: Good flying over vacation (John W. Cox)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Tim Olson)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: paint prices (tintopranch)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: paint prices (Jesse Saint)
6. 07:47 AM - Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak (jayb)
7. 09:55 AM - Re: Good flying over vacation (gary)
8. 10:05 AM - Securing main tank drain valves (Nick Gautier)
9. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak (Chuck Weyant)
10. 10:05 AM - Re: Landing Light Question (Perry, Phil)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: Landing Light Question (William Curtis)
12. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Rivethead Aero (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 10:45 AM - Re: Good flying over vacation (Tim Olson)
14. 11:05 AM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (John W. Cox)
15. 11:46 AM - Landing Light Question (don wentz)
16. 12:19 PM - Re: Landing Light Question (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 01:05 PM - Re: Landing Light Question (John Gonzalez)
18. 02:36 PM - Re: Securing main tank drain valves (DejaVu)
19. 03:05 PM - Re: Landing Light Question (Tim Olson)
20. 03:33 PM - Re: Radio Static Help (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
21. 04:21 PM - Re: Painting and corrosion proofing the steps (Jesse Saint)
22. 04:35 PM - Re: Radio Static Help (James Hein)
23. 05:07 PM - Re: Good flying over vacation (Deems Davis)
24. 08:09 PM - Grand Rapids Technologies (Russell Lassetter)
25. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Rivethead - Aero (Les Kearney)
26. 08:36 PM - Re: Good flying over vacation (John W. Cox)
27. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: paint prices (Sam Marlow)
28. 09:00 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Kelly McMullen)
29. 09:06 PM - Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours (Sam Marlow)
30. 09:07 PM - Stick grips (Dave Leikam)
31. 09:08 PM - Re: Grand Rapids Technologies (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec |
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Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead Aero |
All I can say is check the archives
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero
>
> Hi Again
>
> Does anyone have a phone # for Rivethead. I was planning to order a door
> pin
> set.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
> Sent: November-25-07 8:25 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero
>
>
> He's slow but I am pretty sure he's always delivered. I recently got my
> door pin set after about a 3 month wait.
>
> -Ben Westfall
> #40579
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero
>
> Yea - he has my money - I hope that I get my door pins. I think that I
> sent
> the money in early October. It is concerning that his web site is down
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148488#148488
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Good flying over vacation |
Deems - Tim did not say Love deflected, it's just implied your was
delayed, so think of all that excitement around the corner like dating
in high school.
Most of us are waiting for your report of the first few dates.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good flying over vacation
Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> I'm pretty darn impressed with the climb in the RV-10. When
> you're alone, if you keep that nose up and climb at 105-110 kts,
> you're going up a pretty steep escalator. I found myself
> level at 8500' (ground is about 900 here) at 5 minutes 20 seconds
> today, and that wasn't climbing at either Vx or Vy...just
> doing a normal non-precision relaxed climb.
>
> You guys, you're really gonna love your airplanes!
>
You're killing me! ;-)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
Ok, we let this one run a few days and got some totals
together for the aircraft. Note that these numbers do
not include the 2 factory -10's that would sway the
numbers greatly.
In looking below, I totaled up the number of hours
reported, and that was from 26 respondents, so I then
projected that out to 112 flying and you can see that
an estimate for the fleet is about 20,000 hours of
time on various RV-10's of the customer built planes.
Now, that is just an estimate based on the reported
numbers, so it could be off a bit. But, I tried adding
5 more respondents with 5 hours each, or chopping down
Vic's number significantly, and you still end up
with something around 20,000, so we're probably
at least pretty close to that as a general figure.
These numbers should not imply that fatigue related
issues couldn't show up later in an RV-10's lifetime,
but at least for today it looks like lots of people
are putting some good successful time on their RV-10's
which is very nice to see.
We should do this little number exercise a couple times
a year. It will be pretty neat to see how fast the
fleet total grows!
Tim
do not archive
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RV-10 Operating hours
11/22-25/07
4786 Responding Fleet 26 Number of respondents
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
155 K203JJ
85 N372RV
175 N728DD
20 ZK-RVT
86 N331DJ
290 N104XP
20 C-FMHP
340 N519RV
160 N410MR
85 N602WT
225 N610RV
70 C-FXCS
65 N184JM
185 N710RV
95 N611TT
100 N312JE
291 N2733K
194 N415EC
40 N817DM
228 N585MR
435 N256H
340 N416EC
90 N110GS
110 N591VU
12 N991RV
Estimations:
20617 Total Fleet 112 Van's Listed Total RV-10's Flying
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| Subject: | Re: paint prices |
I got my RV10 painted at Texas Aerocolor (www.texasaerocolor.com) in Brady, TX. They did a great job, he has painted 3 RV10s. I paided $8,500 plus $600 for some fiberglass work around the windows.
--------
MARK SUTHERLAND
RV-10 40292
Flying since June 07
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148603#148603
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| Subject: | Re: paint prices |
Our shop will paint it for $5,500 including all final prep work using
Sikkens paint, but you will have to fly or ship it to Ecuador for that.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Nov 26, 2007, at 9:26 AM, tintopranch wrote:
> >
>
> I got my RV10 painted at Texas Aerocolor (www.texasaerocolor.com) in
> Brady, TX. They did a great job, he has painted 3 RV10s. I paided
> $8,500 plus $600 for some fiberglass work around the windows.
>
> --------
> MARK SUTHERLAND
> RV-10 40292
> Flying since June 07
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148603#148603
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak |
Search the RV10 archives for "TT Pitch Servo Install Directions". I posted the
hole location in a follow up email after talking to a TT engineer. The hole location
isn't too critical, but don't forget to safety wire the bolts together
(thanks Bob). I didn't even see the holes until they were pointed out to me...
Regards,
Jay
fiberglass purgatory
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148618#148618
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| Subject: | Good flying over vacation |
Good work, the next data point that would be interesting would be ROP at 164
Knots of speed, what is the fuel flow. In other words how much fuel do you
save at the same speed going from ROP to LOP?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Good flying over vacation
I had a good couple of flights while off for the Thanksgiving
holidays. I did something I don't do too often...spent some
time alone in the cockpit. I decided to get some good
comparisons between ROP and LOP and see how it shook out again.
Here's a link:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071125/index.html
I'm pretty darn impressed with the climb in the RV-10. When
you're alone, if you keep that nose up and climb at 105-110 kts,
you're going up a pretty steep escalator. I found myself
level at 8500' (ground is about 900 here) at 5 minutes 20 seconds
today, and that wasn't climbing at either Vx or Vy...just
doing a normal non-precision relaxed climb.
You guys, you're really gonna love your airplanes!
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Securing main tank drain valves |
All,
I'm coming, at last, to the end of the wings and I'm looking at
a final installation of the CAV-110 drain valve for the fuel tanks.
I ask myself "How do I make sure this little sucker never loosens
up and falls out in flight, leaving me high and dry?"
Of course I always drain a bit from the tanks on the first flight
of the day and after refueling, etc., so you would think any problem
would easy to spot before real trouble. But, a tank draining in flight
is sort of catastrophic and any loosening with fuel drips, etc. that
you fix on the ground is, at best, annoying.
So, what's the wisdom of the group? Jesse tells me to use fuel
lube and, presumably, then depend on the tapered pipe thread for
security. I thought I heard something about using some kind of
Loctite here. It's also easy enough to rivet a little tab on the skin
behind the drain valve and drill the valve hex for a safety wire.
Does anyone EVER have a problem with just tightening against
the tapered thread? Also, I'd like to hear what the pros like
John Cox think.
Regards,
Nick Gautier
#40363
end of the wings
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| Subject: | Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak |
Thanks all who responded. The bellcrank hole position of 2.25" up and .5"
aft was all I needed I guess. I did however, already remove the pulley
without paying any attention to the location of the brass screw. Now, any
ideas on how I'm to get the pulley back into the right/correct position on
the shaft?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lack of Install Instructions TruTrak
>
> Search the RV10 archives for "TT Pitch Servo Install Directions". I posted
> the hole location in a follow up email after talking to a TT engineer. The
> hole location isn't too critical, but don't forget to safety wire the
> bolts together (thanks Bob). I didn't even see the holes until they were
> pointed out to me...
>
> Regards,
> Jay
> fiberglass purgatory
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| Subject: | Landing Light Question |
I have seen Bill's AeroLED's and (even though I'm still a ways away) I
plan on using the AeroLED 1600's too. They're insanely bright, simple
to install, and they only pull 2amps. I'm looking forward to the saving
a little bit of weight on smaller wiring.
But even with those benefits, the primary selling point for me is the
wig-wag functionality. The wig-wag controller is built into the lights
and you only need to run 1 extra wire from the lights to the cockpit
switch. When you close the switch, the lights begin running in wig-wag
mode. No extra boxes, or anything.
They're just really bright, simple to install, and very functional.
Phil
________________________________
From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
Are there any RV's that are flying with the AeroLEDs installed?
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gipson
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
Check out the Aerosun LED landing lights. I've installed in my 10, yet
to fly.
www.aeroleds.com
________________________________
From: rv@thelefflers.com
Subject: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
I'm just getting ready to order my wings.
For those of you that are flying, would you make a different decision on
what lighting you installed or would you do the same thing in your next
aircraft?
I'm debating between the Duckworks HID in the leading edge or a HID in
the wingtip.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Landing Light Question |
So LED are cool but why pay $325 for one 1600 lumens LED when the standard H3 bulb
in the $100 dual kit from Vans puts out 1550 lumens? I'm sure they will last
a lot longer however, that's a lot of H3 bulbs to get up to the cost of those
LED. Unless you reeeeally need low power consumption or low heat, LED landing
and taxi light just don't make sense at those prices and light levels--IMHO.
Me, I'll have two standard H3s in the wingtips that can wing-wag and a single HID
in the cowl, ala Cirrus. Actually, the recognition lights in the Cirrus wingtips
are also LED, but these are recognition, not flood like the HID in the
cowling.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
> Are there any RV's that are flying with the AeroLEDs installed?
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gipson
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
>
>
>
> Check out the Aerosun LED landing lights. I've installed in my 10, yet to
> fly.
> www.aeroleds.com
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: rv@thelefflers.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:22:49 -0500
>
> I'm just getting ready to order my wings.
>
>
>
> For those of you that are flying, would you make a different decision on
> what lighting you installed or would you do the same thing in your next
> aircraft?
>
>
>
> I'm debating between the Duckworks HID in the leading edge or a HID in the
> wingtip.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead Aero |
Approach it like ordering your panel, order it at least 9 months before you need
it and cross your fingers. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero
Hi Again
Does anyone have a phone # for Rivethead. I was planning to order a door pin
set.
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: November-25-07 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero
He's slow but I am pretty sure he's always delivered. I recently got my
door pin set after about a 3 month wait.
-Ben Westfall
#40579
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Aero
Yea - he has my money - I hope that I get my door pins. I think that I sent
the money in early October. It is concerning that his web site is down
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148488#148488
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| Subject: | Re: Good flying over vacation |
Good point...I'll try to remember to grab that stat
for ya'll.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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gary wrote:
>
> Good work, the next data point that would be interesting would be ROP at 164
> Knots of speed, what is the fuel flow. In other words how much fuel do you
> save at the same speed going from ROP to LOP?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Gary
> 40274
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Good flying over vacation
>
>
> I had a good couple of flights while off for the Thanksgiving
> holidays. I did something I don't do too often...spent some
> time alone in the cockpit. I decided to get some good
> comparisons between ROP and LOP and see how it shook out again.
> Here's a link:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071125/index.html
>
> I'm pretty darn impressed with the climb in the RV-10. When
> you're alone, if you keep that nose up and climb at 105-110 kts,
> you're going up a pretty steep escalator. I found myself
> level at 8500' (ground is about 900 here) at 5 minutes 20 seconds
> today, and that wasn't climbing at either Vx or Vy...just
> doing a normal non-precision relaxed climb.
>
> You guys, you're really gonna love your airplanes!
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
Tim - Can you tag those from your list using Alternate powerplants for
those watching? I will check N410RV and N220RV this afternoon on Hobbs
time. If you extrapolate the number of months each aircraft have flown
into the posted numbers, and apply it to the total fleet of 112, I think
the cumulative comes down with those added in the last 12 months.
I am skeptical of the 186 hour average for each of those 112 RV-10's.
I am wondering what percentage are going with Alternate Powerplant
choices?
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
Ok, we let this one run a few days and got some totals
together for the aircraft. Note that these numbers do
not include the 2 factory -10's that would sway the
numbers greatly.
In looking below, I totaled up the number of hours
reported, and that was from 26 respondents, so I then
projected that out to 112 flying and you can see that
an estimate for the fleet is about 20,000 hours of
time on various RV-10's of the customer built planes.
Now, that is just an estimate based on the reported
numbers, so it could be off a bit. But, I tried adding
5 more respondents with 5 hours each, or chopping down
Vic's number significantly, and you still end up
with something around 20,000, so we're probably
at least pretty close to that as a general figure.
These numbers should not imply that fatigue related
issues couldn't show up later in an RV-10's lifetime,
but at least for today it looks like lots of people
are putting some good successful time on their RV-10's
which is very nice to see.
We should do this little number exercise a couple times
a year. It will be pretty neat to see how fast the
fleet total grows!
Tim
do not archive
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RV-10 Operating hours
11/22-25/07
4786 Responding Fleet 26 Number of respondents
310 N104CD
580 N64VC
155 K203JJ
85 N372RV
175 N728DD
20 ZK-RVT
86 N331DJ
290 N104XP
20 C-FMHP
340 N519RV
160 N410MR
85 N602WT
225 N610RV
70 C-FXCS
65 N184JM
185 N710RV
95 N611TT
100 N312JE
291 N2733K
194 N415EC
40 N817DM
228 N585MR
435 N256H
340 N416EC
90 N110GS
110 N591VU
12 N991RV
Estimations:
20617 Total Fleet 112 Van's Listed Total RV-10's Flying
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| Subject: | Landing Light Question |
Bob,
I have heard from many RV pilots that they wished they would have used my
Leading Edge lights instead of the tip lights, especially due to the
'blanking' issue.
This ranges from long-time RV guys with the big tip lights, to the newer 2"
tip lights, both guys I know and strangers that I meet at Oshkosh.
The LE location prevents light from going where you don't want it (like up)
and the shape of the cutout allows it to spread down, to the front and to
the sides, where you do want the light.
Another benefit to my kits is the great diversity in lamps that can be used.
You can start with any one of the kits and be assured of a simple upgrade to
newer lamps as they come available or as your needs change.
At some point in the future, LED lamps will be a great solution. While they
are very bright to 'look at' (making them a good solution for running lights
and brake lights, especially with their low power draw), they still don't
project enough light over a long distance (as compared to HID).
Dollar per Lumen, the HID lights are currently the brightest, they last
long, and have a low draw.
I understand that the newer tip with the cutout is a very tempting place to
put lights, and for some pilot's needs that option is acceptable.
For those that want a complete, flexible solution, you may want to take
another look at the Duckworks lights.
Please feel free to contact me if you have questions.
Don
Duckworks Aviation LLC
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
Albert,
Are you using the standard Van's OP36 kit?
Although I would suspect if there are shadowing issues, they would be
present in all the other wing tip vendors solutions too.
Thanks,
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
I'm not happy with the wingtip lights myself. If I try to get them to
converge toward the center so that the center stripe shows up, the wingtip
blocks a lot of the light. I think I will add an additional light either in
the cowl or in the leading edge of one wing. The light themselves are bright
enough I think but leave a very dark area right in front of the plane.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
I'm just getting ready to order my wings.
For those of you that are flying, would you make a different decision on
what lighting you installed or would you do the same thing in your next
aircraft?
I'm debating between the Duckworks HID in the leading edge or a HID in the
wingtip.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Landing Light Question |
This comment is geared more to the DIY crowd out there, hey we are building experimental
aircraft aren't we. If you look around the net a little you can make
comparable setups to the Aerosun's for probably $50 in change. If you break
down the Aerosun product into individual LED's you end up with 200 lumens per
LED for the 1600 and 100 lumens per LED for the 800. A quick check on eBay
shows Luxeon 95 Lumen LED's for about $2.95 each plus shipping. So for 8 of
these you are looking at about $29.55 + another $15 or so for 10 lenses for them.
Again, I spent maybe 5 minutes looking around for current LED prices so I'm sure
you can do better if you really hunt a bit. I'm also fairly certain Luxeon
is selling LED's up above 150 Lumens each. Not knocking the Aerosuns product,
they actually seem reasonably priced given development and the whole packaging.
LED's are going to continue to get cheaper and brighter.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
So LED are cool but why pay $325 for one 1600 lumens LED when the standard H3 bulb
in the $100 dual kit from Vans puts out 1550 lumens? I'm sure they will last
a lot longer however, that's a lot of H3 bulbs to get up to the cost of those
LED. Unless you reeeeally need low power consumption or low heat, LED landing
and taxi light just don't make sense at those prices and light levels--IMHO.
Me, I'll have two standard H3s in the wingtips that can wing-wag and a single HID
in the cowl, ala Cirrus. Actually, the recognition lights in the Cirrus wingtips
are also LED, but these are recognition, not flood like the HID in the
cowling.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
> Are there any RV's that are flying with the AeroLEDs installed?
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gipson
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
>
>
> Check out the Aerosun LED landing lights. I've installed in my 10, yet to
> fly.
> www.aeroleds.com
>
>
> _____
>
> From: rv@thelefflers.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:22:49 -0500
>
> I'm just getting ready to order my wings.
>
>
> For those of you that are flying, would you make a different decision on
> what lighting you installed or would you do the same thing in your next
> aircraft?
>
>
> I'm debating between the Duckworks HID in the leading edge or a HID in the
> wingtip.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
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| Subject: | Landing Light Question |
Don,
For the most part I really like your product. The were some contradictions
in you installation instructions that
need to be cleared up as the pictures show one thing but the, directions sa
y another, (distances from rivet lines.) Also the distances between
the ribs were quite different from what the manual stated and I needed to m
ake my own alterations to the lamp trays. I used the
second bay between ribs and not the last bay as I wanted more access to the
AOA installation in the last bay. The last bay on the 10
also has quite a long span between ribs which would also allow much more of
a harmonic to develop with engine and flight vibration.
For the most part, nice kit and thanks.
John G. 409
From: dasduck@comcast.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Lan
ding Light QuestionDate: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:05:56 -0800
Bob,
I have heard from many RV pilots that they wished they would have used my L
eading Edge lights instead of the tip lights, especially due to the 'blanki
ng' issue.
This ranges from long-time RV guys with the big tip lights, to the newer 2"
tip lights, both guys I know and strangers that I meet at Oshkosh.
The LE location prevents light from going where you don't want it (like up)
and the shape of the cutout allows it to spread down, to the front and to
the sides, where you do want the light.
Another benefit to my kits is the great diversity in lamps that can be used
.
You can start with any one of the kits and be assured of a simple upgrade t
o newer lamps as they come available or as your needs change.
At some point in the future, LED lamps will be a great solution. While the
y are very bright to 'look at' (making them a good solution for running lig
hts and brake lights, especially with their low power draw), they still don
't project enough light over a long distance (as compared to HID).
Dollar per Lumen, the HID lights are currently the brightest, they last lon
g, and have a low draw.
I understand that the newer tip with the cutout is a very tempting place to
put lights, and for some pilot's needs that option is acceptable.
For those that want a complete, flexible solution, you may want to take ano
ther look at the Duckworks lights.
Please feel free to contact me if you have questions.
Don
Duckworks Aviation LLC
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob LefflerSent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:47
AMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Question
Albert,
Are you using the standard Van=92s OP36 kit?
Although I would suspect if there are shadowing issues, they would be prese
nt in all the other wing tip vendors solutions too.
Thanks,
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert GardnerSent: Saturday, November 24, 2007
9:41 PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: Landing Light Que
stion
I=92m not happy with the wingtip lights myself. If I try to get them to con
verge toward the center so that the center stripe shows up, the wingtip blo
cks a lot of the light. I think I will add an additional light either in th
e cowl or in the leading edge of one wing. The light themselves are bright
enough I think but leave a very dark area right in front of the plane.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----I=92m just getting ready to order my wings.
For those of you that are flying, would you make a different decision on wh
at lighting you installed or would you do the same thing in your next airc
raft?
I=92m debating between the Duckworks HID in the leading edge or a HID in th
e wingtip.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Securing main tank drain valves |
The only problem I ever had with the drain valves was that they were
excessively tight, to the point that I could not move the valves to drain
fuel from the tanks. Try installing your first drain valve. I think the
number of threads and the torque required will give you a better feel that
they won't be going anywhere soon.
Anh
N591VU-115hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Gautier" <Thomas.N.Gautier@jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Securing main tank drain valves
>
>
> <Thomas.N.Gautier@jpl.nasa.gov>
>
> All,
>
> I'm coming, at last, to the end of the wings and I'm looking at
> a final installation of the CAV-110 drain valve for the fuel tanks.
> I ask myself "How do I make sure this little sucker never loosens
> up and falls out in flight, leaving me high and dry?"
>
> Of course I always drain a bit from the tanks on the first flight
> of the day and after refueling, etc., so you would think any problem
> would easy to spot before real trouble. But, a tank draining in flight
> is sort of catastrophic and any loosening with fuel drips, etc. that
> you fix on the ground is, at best, annoying.
>
> So, what's the wisdom of the group? Jesse tells me to use fuel
> lube and, presumably, then depend on the tapered pipe thread for
> security. I thought I heard something about using some kind of
> Loctite here. It's also easy enough to rivet a little tab on the skin
> behind the drain valve and drill the valve hex for a safety wire.
> Does anyone EVER have a problem with just tightening against
> the tapered thread? Also, I'd like to hear what the pros like
> John Cox think.
>
> Regards,
> Nick Gautier
> #40363
> end of the wings
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Question |
You know, Don touched on something I hadn't actually pondered
much in all of this....the fact that you don't want the light
to go UP. Having used my lights in clouds and at night in
haze, in past planes I've found the light a bit distracting
if it lights up the stuff next to me. You now are flying
in a brighter bubble of air that makes it a little harder
to see out the windshield where the traffic is. With the
lights I have now, I don't really even know they're on, on
a clear night, unless there's some haze to see, and at least
then it's lighting it up below the horizon a bit.
I do think that for recognition lights though, if you're
going to wig-wag and just display them for recognition,
LED's are about as ideal as you could get. I think even
for taxi lights, if you feel you need them, LED's would
be a fair option. The sad part about the wingtip cutouts
is that the same thing that gives the Nav lights good
utility (the large field of view to the sides, top,
bottom, and somewhat of the front) is one of the
problems with using that location for landing lights. Not
that you absolutely can't put landing lights there and
see some of the runway, but it's much harder to mount
them there and get anything but runway edges lit up.
My old plane had a single 250W landing light. Man, that
sucker was 20A!! I did the best I could on that plane and
added another light bay since it had 2 holes in one wing.
I went with 2 lamps, 100W Halogen....saved some current
draw. The problem with the halogens was that the actual
beam width was about 1/2 of what the 250W standard was.
So I had to be careful to aim one across the plane and
one forward. I had enough brightness, but the coverage
wasn't as nice as the 250W was. So that's why I mentioned
before that you should watch the actual beam width
projected by whatever bulb you choose, for whatever
location you use.
Regarding Aerosun's...as I walked by them at OSH they
commented to me and tried to lure me in. I stopped
and looked and they actually look pretty nice compared
to some options. The guy started pushing me on how
much brighter they would be then too.....but that
stopped the second I told him I had dual HID's. They
aren't bad lights, but they don't hold a candle(power)
to HID's, and HID's also are pretty competitive in
their current draw. My dual 35W HID's draw about 6A
on my Ammeter.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
don wentz wrote:
> Bob,
> I have heard from many RV pilots that they wished they would have used
> my Leading Edge lights instead of the tip lights, especially due to the
> 'blanking' issue.
> This ranges from long-time RV guys with the big tip lights, to the newer
> 2" tip lights, both guys I know and strangers that I meet at Oshkosh.
>
> The LE location prevents light from going where you don't want it (like
> up) and the shape of the cutout allows it to spread down, to the front
> and to the sides, where you do want the light.
> Another benefit to my kits is the great diversity in lamps that can be used.
> You can start with any one of the kits and be assured of a simple
> upgrade to newer lamps as they come available or as your needs change.
>
> At some point in the future, LED lamps will be a great solution. While
> they are very bright to 'look at' (making them a good solution for
> running lights and brake lights, especially with their low power draw),
> they still don't project enough light over a long distance (as compared
> to HID).
>
> Dollar per Lumen, the HID lights are currently the brightest, they last
> long, and have a low draw.
>
> I understand that the newer tip with the cutout is a very tempting place
> to put lights, and for some pilot's needs that option is acceptable.
> For those that want a complete, flexible solution, you may want to take
> another look at the Duckworks lights.
>
> Please feel free to contact me if you have questions.
> Don
> Duckworks Aviation LLC
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Static Help |
Hi,
I appreciate all the suggestions regarding my radio static problems. I
finally got my hands on another SL-30 unit and slid it into the tray... problem
solved. Turns out my brand new SL-30 radio was the culprit. I just got word from
Garmin that there was a bad solder joint inside my radio.
-Jim
40134
In a message dated 10/29/2007 3:37:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
JSMcGrew@aol.com writes:
4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a birthday
present to
myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it was a
pretty nice gift
and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked out yet:
I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with radio
static on my
Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio panel.
The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I would
expect from an ignition
system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle setting. The
static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle
increases.
On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received transmissions.
During cruise it appears
to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle setting, not
RPM). It makes
listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be affecting
my radio
transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time comprehending ATC,
they
also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be only
affecting
the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have a belly
mounted
bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM VHF radio
does not have any static when used inside the cockpit.
I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this problem, but
I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse). Any
suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome. Below is a list
of some things I have tried with no luck.
General
-Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems (not both at
the same time)
--So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics
Antenna/Coaxial cable
-Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax.
-Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of RG-400 (tried
various routings to antennas)
-Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static)
--So it doesn't appear to be antenna related
Power/ground
-Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends
-Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do not need a
filter
-Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce potential
interference from other wires
-Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery
-Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator
-Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of aircraft,
disconnected power/ground
to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30
completely isolated
from aircraft)-reception still has static
-Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray
-Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground.
-Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow sensor wires
I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear any
suggestions.
Thanks.
-Jim
N312JE
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| Subject: | Painting and corrosion proofing the steps |
You can put the bolt in from the bottom without having to remove the
sidewalls. You just need a little bit bigger hole in the belly skin so
the bolt head will fit through.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> Have you tried to put the bold in the receiver when the side wall panels
> are on. I can't remember, but I think the bolt was too long to fit without
> either making an additional hole in the floor(Behind those side panels) or
> also having the side panels removable with screws and nutplates.
>
> John G. 409
>
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:49:07 -0800From: scottmschmidt@yahoo.comSubject:
> Re: RV10-List: Painting and corrosion proofing the stepsTo:
> rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> What I did for the step was to simply cut access holes in my baggage
> compartment so I could take the steps on and off. I just manufactured a
> simple cover with nutplates. Then you don't have to worry about the step
> right now. You can do this at anytime as well. The carpet kit covers
> this area and you never even know. Plus, when I take the plane to Reno I
> can remove the steps and hope for 200 knots more speed to compete with the
> NXT's. I had my steps ceramic coated when I did my exhaust. They aren't
> real shiny but it has really held up nicely. They informed me that the
> ceramic coating had a tensile strength of 30ksi which should prevent any
> cracking as they bend when people get on and off them.
> http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/400885/1/15988904/MediumScott
> Schmidt
>
> ----- Original Message ----From: Chris Johnston
> <CJohnston@popsound.com>To: rv10-list@matronics.comSent: Tuesday, November
> 20, 2007 9:42:22 AMSubject: RE: RV10-List: Painting and corrosion proofing
> <CJohnston@popsound.com>Hey there - I actually had the steps zinc coated,
> then powdercoated. Thepowdercoating guys said that the zinc coating does
> well to preventcorrosion, and also helps the powdercoating to stick. The
> zinc coatingis over the whole part, and the powdercoating is only done to
> the partthat hangs in the breeze. I had them mask off the tube that
> slides intothe fuse. The zinc coating didn't add any (perceivable)
> thickness, anddidn't hamper the install of the step. Worked pretty well.
> time willtell!cj#40410airplaningwww.perfectlygoodairplane.net-----Original
> Message-----From:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of MauleDriverSent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:37 AMTo:
> RV10-List Digest ServerSubject: RV10-List: Painting and corrosion proofing
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>As I prepare to seal up the baggage area floor, I
> keep looking at the steps and trying to figure out the best way to handle
> prepping them before permanently installing them. As far as installation,
> my current plan is to drill small guide holes in the fuselage skin and the
> baggage floor so that if I ever have to remove the step, I can drill holes
> to access the bolts. I decided against installing access hatches in the
> baggage floor.I've seen the 'perfectly good airplane' treatment with
> nickel plating and powder coating as I recall. Very nice but I wonder if
> how much was powder coated and how it still fit in the hole if it was
> entirely coated. Vans just has you mount it and presumably paint it with
> the fuselage. I worry about the steel on steel contact in light of
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Static Help |
Great news!
Is your SL-30 RoHS compliant? I ask because the lead-free solder tends
to be much more brittle than the regular lead-based solder (and tin
whiskers are a problem). where I work, in the medical field, we have an
exemption (as does the military) - but with everyone EOLing (End Of
Life) their components we're being taken along for the ride and have had
these problems as well.
Its really funny.... lead-free solder was a big problem in the early
1900's. The solder would grow 'tin whiskers
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_whiskers>' and short out connections.
In the 1940's, it was discovered that you could avoid problems by adding
some lead to the tin. Now, in the lead-free craze, brittle connections
and tin whiskers are back! The most public result of this problem
(documented in "Engineering Disasters 20" (I think its #20, possibly 18
or 19) was the loss of the G4 satellite in 1998
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_IV>
-Jim 40384
JSMcGrew@aol.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I appreciate all the suggestions regarding my radio static problems. I
> finally got my hands on another SL-30 unit and slid it into the
> tray... problem solved. Turns out my brand new SL-30 radio was the
> culprit. I just got word from Garmin that there was a bad solder joint
> inside my radio.
>
> -Jim
> 40134
>
> In a message dated 10/29/2007 3:37:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> JSMcGrew@aol.com writes:
>
> 4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a
> birthday present to
> myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say
> it was a pretty nice gift
> and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs
> worked out yet:
>
> I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with
> radio static on my
> Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340
> Audio panel.
> The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I
> would expect from an ignition
> system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle
> setting. The
> static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as
> throttle increases.
> On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received
> transmissions. During cruise it appears
> to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle
> setting, not RPM). It makes
> listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be
> affecting my radio
> transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time
> comprehending ATC, they
> also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be
> only affecting
> the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have
> a belly mounted
> bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM
> VHF radio
> does not have any static when used inside the cockpit.
>
> I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this
> problem, but
> I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse).
> Any
> suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome.
> Below is a list
> of some things I have tried with no luck.
>
>
> General
> -Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems
> (not both at the same time)
> --So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics
>
> Antenna/Coaxial cable
> -Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax.
> -Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of
> RG-400 (tried
> various routings to antennas)
> -Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static)
> --So it doesn't appear to be antenna related
>
> Power/ground
> -Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends
> -Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do
> not need a filter
> -Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce
> potential interference from other wires
> -Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery
> -Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator
> -Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of
> aircraft, disconnected power/ground
> to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30
> completely isolated
> from aircraft)-reception still has static
> -Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray
> -Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground.
> -Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow
> sensor wires
>
>
> I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear
> any suggestions.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Jim
> N312JE
>
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> http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew <http://www.mit.edu/%7Ejsmcgrew>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Good flying over vacation |
I AM thinking of it and ITS KILLING ME!!!!! :-D
Deems
do not archive
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> Deems - Tim did not say Love deflected, it's just implied your was
> delayed, so think of all that excitement around the corner like dating
> in high school.
>
> Most of us are waiting for your report of the first few dates.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good flying over vacation
>
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty darn impressed with the climb in the RV-10. When
>> you're alone, if you keep that nose up and climb at 105-110 kts,
>> you're going up a pretty steep escalator. I found myself
>> level at 8500' (ground is about 900 here) at 5 minutes 20 seconds
>> today, and that wasn't climbing at either Vx or Vy...just
>> doing a normal non-precision relaxed climb.
>>
>> You guys, you're really gonna love your airplanes!
>>
>>
>
>
> You're killing me! ;-)
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Grand Rapids Technologies |
Hello All,
I just had a positive experience with Grand Rapids Technologies that I
thought was worth mentioning. I am helping a fellow with his electrical
system in a project aircraft he bought that came with an older model engine
monitoring system from Grand Rapids Technologies. An email to the company
(after checking their website) got a quick response from Sandy and she is
sending an installation/operators manual tomorrow.
Excellent customer service in my opinion even though I am kind of a "second
hand" customer.
Russ Lassetter
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead - Aero |
HI
I send Dave at Rivethead an email and he responded within 2 hours. My door
pin order has been placed. He is not sure why his website is down but he
will look into it.
Cheers
Les
#40643
C-GCWZ reserved
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: October-05-07 8:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead - Aero
Grumpy,
I had the same problem last year. He'll eventually get to you and they are
beautiful. I keep the old ones right next to my plans to remind me that
there are alternatives.
John
--------
#40572 Empennage done, starting QB Wings
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138427#138427
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| Subject: | Good flying over vacation |
Oh dear, Unrequited love.... and during the holiday season yet.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good flying over vacation
I AM thinking of it and ITS KILLING ME!!!!! :-D
Deems
do not archive
John W. Cox wrote:
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Deems - Tim did not say Love deflected, it's just implied your was
> delayed, so think of all that excitement around the corner like dating
> in high school.
>
> Most of us are waiting for your report of the first few dates.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good flying over vacation
>
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty darn impressed with the climb in the RV-10. When
>> you're alone, if you keep that nose up and climb at 105-110 kts,
>> you're going up a pretty steep escalator. I found myself
>> level at 8500' (ground is about 900 here) at 5 minutes 20 seconds
>> today, and that wasn't climbing at either Vx or Vy...just
>> doing a normal non-precision relaxed climb.
>>
>> You guys, you're really gonna love your airplanes!
>>
>>
>
>
> You're killing me! ;-)
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: paint prices |
You east coast guys might want to check out "aircraftpainting.com" they
painted my RV10.
tintopranch wrote:
>
> I got my RV10 painted at Texas Aerocolor (www.texasaerocolor.com) in Brady, TX. They did a great job, he has painted 3 RV10s. I paided $8,500 plus $600 for some fiberglass work around the windows.
>
> --------
> MARK SUTHERLAND
> RV-10 40292
> Flying since June 07
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148603#148603
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
When I was at the factory in Aug, 410RV was right at 1000 hours. Don't
recall if they gave a number for 220RV
On Nov 26, 2007 9:46 AM, John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
> Tim - Can you tag those from your list using Alternate powerplants for
> those watching? I will check N410RV and N220RV this afternoon on Hobbs
> time. If you extrapolate the number of months each aircraft have flown
> into the posted numbers, and apply it to the total fleet of 112, I think
> the cumulative comes down with those added in the last 12 months.
>
> I am skeptical of the 186 hour average for each of those 112 RV-10's.
>
> I am wondering what percentage are going with Alternate Powerplant
> choices?
>
> John C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours
>
>
> Ok, we let this one run a few days and got some totals
> together for the aircraft. Note that these numbers do
> not include the 2 factory -10's that would sway the
> numbers greatly.
>
> In looking below, I totaled up the number of hours
> reported, and that was from 26 respondents, so I then
> projected that out to 112 flying and you can see that
> an estimate for the fleet is about 20,000 hours of
> time on various RV-10's of the customer built planes.
> Now, that is just an estimate based on the reported
> numbers, so it could be off a bit. But, I tried adding
> 5 more respondents with 5 hours each, or chopping down
> Vic's number significantly, and you still end up
> with something around 20,000, so we're probably
> at least pretty close to that as a general figure.
> These numbers should not imply that fatigue related
> issues couldn't show up later in an RV-10's lifetime,
> but at least for today it looks like lots of people
> are putting some good successful time on their RV-10's
> which is very nice to see.
> We should do this little number exercise a couple times
> a year. It will be pretty neat to see how fast the
> fleet total grows!
>
> Tim
> do not archive
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> RV-10 Operating hours
> 11/22-25/07
>
> 4786 Responding Fleet 26 Number of respondents
>
> 310 N104CD
> 580 N64VC
> 155 K203JJ
> 85 N372RV
> 175 N728DD
> 20 ZK-RVT
> 86 N331DJ
> 290 N104XP
> 20 C-FMHP
> 340 N519RV
> 160 N410MR
> 85 N602WT
> 225 N610RV
> 70 C-FXCS
> 65 N184JM
> 185 N710RV
> 95 N611TT
> 100 N312JE
> 291 N2733K
> 194 N415EC
> 40 N817DM
> 228 N585MR
> 435 N256H
> 340 N416EC
> 90 N110GS
> 110 N591VU
> 12 N991RV
>
> Estimations:
> 20617 Total Fleet 112 Van's Listed Total RV-10's Flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Total Flight Time - Submit yours |
************************************
**** RV-10 total flying hours 55.0
**** (as of approx. 11/22-23/07 ****
************************************
Sam & Dan
N540MR
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Anyone using CH Products grips? How do you like them?
Dave Leikam
40496
closing wings
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Rapids Technologies |
I echo Russ. I usually give them a call first. Mark, Jeff, and Luke know
their products well. My emails to them are usually answered within 24 hrs.
Anh
N591VU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Lassetter" <rblassett@alltel.net>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Grand Rapids Technologies
>
>
> <rblassett@alltel.net>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I just had a positive experience with Grand Rapids Technologies that I
> thought was worth mentioning. I am helping a fellow with his electrical
> system in a project aircraft he bought that came with an older model
> engine
> monitoring system from Grand Rapids Technologies. An email to the company
> (after checking their website) got a quick response from Sandy and she is
> sending an installation/operators manual tomorrow.
>
> Excellent customer service in my opinion even though I am kind of a
> "second
> hand" customer.
>
> Russ Lassetter
>
>
>
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