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1. 04:55 AM - Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:13 AM - Wing root Fairing (Tad Sargent)
3. 06:44 AM - Re: Wing root Fairing (Ted French)
4. 07:28 AM - Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) (James K Hovis)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Wing root Fairing (Jesse Saint)
6. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Static Line Routing (MauleDriver)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
8. 08:49 AM - Re: Wing root Fairing (William Curtis)
9. 10:04 AM - Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) (James K Hovis)
10. 10:21 AM - Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
11. 10:37 AM - Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing (Scott Schmidt)
12. 10:37 AM - Re: Wing root Fairing (Jesse Saint)
13. 10:37 AM - Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) (Jesse Saint)
14. 10:38 AM - unused F-1003A instrument panel blank (William Curtis)
15. 10:52 AM - Re: unused F-1003A instrument panel blank (David McNeill)
16. 11:16 AM - Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing (Jesse Saint)
17. 11:34 AM - Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing (Randy DeBauw)
18. 12:19 PM - Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing (Scott Schmidt)
19. 12:45 PM - Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing (Randy DeBauw)
20. 01:32 PM - Re: Slick Start (Bill DeRouchey)
21. 01:43 PM - Re: Slick Start (McGANN, Ron)
22. 02:21 PM - Re: Slick Start (Dave Saylor)
23. 03:16 PM - Re: unused F-1003A instrument panel blank (David Boone)
24. 04:47 PM - What is connected to your always on battery bus? (MauleDriver)
25. 04:55 PM - Re: Wing root Fairing (Marcus Cooper)
26. 05:06 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (Neal George)
27. 05:06 PM - Re: Slick Start (Bill DeRouchey)
28. 05:43 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (John Testement)
29. 06:03 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (Jerry Calvert)
30. 06:32 PM - Re: Slick Start (Tim Olson)
31. 06:35 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (Tim Olson)
32. 06:36 PM - Weight and Balance (Rene)
33. 06:37 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (William Curtis)
34. 06:40 PM - Re: Slick Start (rv10builder)
35. 06:45 PM - Re: Weight and Balance (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
36. 06:56 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (William Curtis)
37. 07:11 PM - Re: Weight and Balance (Tim Olson)
38. 07:12 PM - Re: unused F-1003A instrument panel blank (William Curtis)
39. 07:19 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (Les Kearney)
40. 08:01 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (Richard Sipp)
41. 08:05 PM - Re: Weight and Balance (DejaVu)
42. 08:22 PM - Re: Slick Start (DejaVu)
43. 08:31 PM - Annual Price increase? (Kelly McMullen)
44. 08:33 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (John Testement)
45. 08:34 PM - Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) (Kelly McMullen)
46. 10:42 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (MauleDriver)
47. 11:25 PM - Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? (Steven DiNieri)
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| Subject: | Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing |
We are in the process of making a wing root fairing (fillet) that will
reach aft beyond the step. We should be doing testing in the next 2
weeks. I will post the results if there is an improvement.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> <saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
> What's the best way to turn an "outie" dent to an "innie" that is
> easily fillable?
>
>
> Has anyone tried to do a fairing around the the step as it protrudes
> from the fuselage? If so, was it worth the effort?
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> 40080
> facing sanding and finishing hell
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing root Fairing |
Hey guys I am in the final assembly stages of a 10. My questions has to do
with the gap between the fuse and the wing root fairing. My 7 has a rubber
seal to make up the gap, I cannot find this pictured or a gap specified for
the 10. Is the fairing trimmed to a 32nd and that it or did I miss the
rubber piece somewhter.
Thanks,
Tad Sargent
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| Subject: | Wing root Fairing |
Yup, the fairing is trimmed to a close fit to the fuselage. There is no
rubber filler.
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 Flying
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Sent: December 4, 2007 5:13 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing root Fairing
Hey guys I am in the final assembly stages of a 10. My questions has to do
with the gap between the fuse and the wing root fairing. My 7 has a rubber
seal to make up the gap, I cannot find this pictured or a gap specified for
the 10. Is the fairing trimmed to a 32nd and that it or did I miss the
rubber piece somewhter.
Thanks,
Tad Sargent
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) |
In Missouri, we have a mandate that ALL gasoline sold must contain at
least 10% ethanol beginning Jan. 1, 2009. However, at least it looks
like someone had good sense to exempt aircraft from the bill, see:
http://www.house.mo.gov/bills061/bilsum/commit/sHB1270C.htm
Then again, if the fuel trucks are carrying blended fuel, won't that
contaminate straight MOGAS destined for the local airports? Or are the
fuel vendors going to have to use separate trucks to deliver MOGAS to
airports same as they do now for Avgas? I don't think so. The supply
of "clean" MOGAS at Missouri airports will dry up. My local airport
has a pump and tank for 87 MOGAS.
Kevin Hovis.
On 12/3/07, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> John, I saw on another list that the OR ethanol mandate was ONLY for Mogas,
> not Avgas. Of course that still leaves all the STC'd folks and LSA folks in
> trouble, as well as the marine folks. I'll have to ask what folks around my
> home drome do, since we have 10% for all the winter months, mandatory, but
> optional in the summer.
>
> On 12/3/07, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I doubt that ethanol will be mandated nationwide, simply because
> > there isn't a viable production capacity at least until they solve
> > cellulosic ethanol, as there isn't enough corn and much of the
> environmental
> > community recognizes that corn derived ethanol at any higher than
> production
> > levels is an environmental disaster. Not to mention that it does very
> little
> > to increase overall fuel supplies.
> > Hmm, can we spell serious problems for LSA if Rotax really has a problem
> > with Avgas?
> > Where is the boating community on this? Can't imagine it causing anything
> > but trouble for fuel tanks and engines next to water.
> >
> > On 12/3/07, John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's take it the next step Kelly to mandate MOGAS has 10% + Ethanol in
> > > all 50 states. Now all of those Peterson and EAA STCed aircraft
> refueling
> > > in Orygun will pass Ethanol through the lines, seals and over the
> gaskets.
> > > Rotax requires not more than 50% Avgas to be added to Mogas or
> extensive
> > > additional repair work is required.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Martin (EAA 78011) representing the EAA will make the plea tomorrow
> > > before this panel of idiots. These are politicians I have not voted
> for, do
> > > not endorse and know little of the consequence of their action to
> revenue
> > > collection reductions, negative mpact to tourism and economic develop
> and
> > > aviation safety. We will soon be the Western Appalachia of the US of A.
> > > There is a distinct possibility that one of the politicians is the son
> of
> > > the acting Director of Aviation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Greenies are everywhere. Be vigilant out there. It is soon to be
> > > an election year.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John (EAA 565497)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root Fairing |
The -10 does not have the gap. There is an angle that rivets onto the
side of the fuse that the fairing screws onto, so it is a flush fit
with no gap for a seal.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 4, 2007, at 9:44 AM, Ted French wrote:
>
>
> Yup, the fairing is trimmed to a close fit to the fuselage. There is
> no
> rubber filler.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Ted French C-FXCS
> RV-10 Flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tad Sargent
> Sent: December 4, 2007 5:13 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Wing root Fairing
>
>
> >
>
> Hey guys I am in the final assembly stages of a 10. My questions
> has to do
> with the gap between the fuse and the wing root fairing. My 7 has a
> rubber
> seal to make up the gap, I cannot find this pictured or a gap
> specified for
> the 10. Is the fairing trimmed to a 32nd and that it or did I miss
> the
> rubber piece somewhter.
> Thanks,
> Tad Sargent
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static Line Routing |
Thanks for the insight.
I've taken a similar yet slightly different route. I agree that the
Van's pre-wiring kit is great. I took the approach of getting the plans
for it without the kit so I could adapt it to a dual batt, dual
alternator, split bus design. Then ordering the parts I needed
separately. Some parts I didn't use - some I ordered multiples of. I
used that basic left side run of wires from the batteries to the
firewall and duplicated the clamps, brackets and routing on the left
side tool. Having to make so many electrical decisions before closing
the floor seems like a pain but I bit the bullet and tried to put a plan
in place for all systems that require front to back wire runs. I've now
filled both left and right cable paths with cable. I've added 2
conduits to enable future wire runs be for now they are empty.
It now dawns on me that while it would be nice to wait a while before
being forced to run cables, there is a benefit to getting the bulk of
that done before added the fiberglass top and stuff. But nut plates
would be great.
AirMike wrote:
>
> Myself and several other West Coast builders are running it along the right (co-pilot)
side. From what I have seen, most of us are running either 4 or 5 conduits
from the rear to the front. Two or three along each side with the static
line along the right side. The plans really force you to do this "pre-wiring"
work before you are really ready. You will probably need to cut a few holes.
I went and bought the Van's pre-wiring kit which is really a pretty good deal.
The wiring is all pre-measured and is really a good value for the electronic
micro-cephalic.
>
> I find that one of my three complaints about the great RV10 plans are :
>
> 1. the baggage and rear seat floors should be nut plated for work, electrical
installation, and inspections
> 2. the finish quality of the fiberglass cabin top/ doors - the quality of the
product is poor
> 3. The inner (fwd) sub instrument panel makes for a difficult avionics installation
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) |
In a message dated 12/4/2007 9:30:02 AM Central Standard Time,
james.k.hovis@gmail.com writes:
Then again, if the fuel trucks are carrying blended fuel, won't that
contaminate straight MOGAS destined for the local airports? Or are the
fuel vendors going to have to use separate trucks to deliver MOGAS to
airports same as they do now for Avgas? I don't think so. The supply
of "clean" MOGAS at Missouri airports will dry up. My local airport
has a pump and tank for 87 MOGAS.
Kevin don't know how your gas is delivered but generally because the tankers
are carrying leaded gas for 100LL they cannot use those tanks for any other
product, thus it's my understanding that these tank wagons are dedicated
tanks...that's another reason we pay extra for aviation fuel.
P
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| Subject: | Wing root Fairing |
I was thinking of using the rubber F-1094C gap seal used under the horizontal stab
to provide a tighter fit and add some flexibility. Should also provide a
nice clean look and a ~small gap fairing benefit. F-1094C is not on "the list"
however so will have to call Van's for pricing on required length.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
>
>
> Yup, the fairing is trimmed to a close fit to the fuselage. There is no
> rubber filler.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Ted French C-FXCS
> RV-10 Flying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tad Sargent
> Sent: December 4, 2007 5:13 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Wing root Fairing
>
>
>
> Hey guys I am in the final assembly stages of a 10. My questions has to do
> with the gap between the fuse and the wing root fairing. My 7 has a rubber
> seal to make up the gap, I cannot find this pictured or a gap specified for
> the 10. Is the fairing trimmed to a 32nd and that it or did I miss the
> rubber piece somewhter.
> Thanks,
> Tad Sargent
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) |
You're right. I'm afraid delivering straight MOGAS (no ethanol) will
end up in the same boat, only a few suppliers willing to dedicate a
truck or two to deliver to the few airports who sell MOGAS (as
compared to the ethanol-gas delivered to the thousands of filling
stations). The price could end up the same as Avgas. But at least
premium gasoline in Missouri won't be required to have ethanol. You'll
probably have to ask to see if the premium in the tanks at the filling
station does or doesn't have ethanol. Think the $5 an hour clerk will
know???
Kevin H.
On 12/4/07, GRANSCOTT@aol.com <GRANSCOTT@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/4/2007 9:30:02 AM Central Standard Time,
> james.k.hovis@gmail.com writes:
>
> Then again, if the fuel trucks are carrying blended fuel, won't that
> contaminate straight MOGAS destined for the local airports? Or are the
> fuel vendors going to have to use separate trucks to deliver MOGAS to
> airports same as they do now for Avgas? I don't think so. The supply
> of "clean" MOGAS at Missouri airports will dry up. My local airport
> has a pump and tank for 87 MOGAS.
>
>
> Kevin don't know how your gas is delivered but generally because the
> tankers
> are carrying leaded gas for 100LL they cannot use those tanks for any other
> product, thus it's my understanding that these tank wagons are dedicated
> tanks...that's another reason we pay extra for aviation fuel.
>
> P
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) |
In a message dated 12/4/2007 12:08:29 PM Central Standard Time,
james.k.hovis@gmail.com writes:
Think the $5 an hour clerk will
know???
That's why you should test it yourself if you're using staight MoGas sans
alcohol...
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| Subject: | Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing |
That will be interesting. I wish Van would have made the flap 1 foot shorter and
then made the wing extend all the way back to the step.
I hate watching people either narrowly missing or just hitting the flap as they
typically are getting off the plane. The Cirrus is setup this way.
That sounds interesting.
Do not archive
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:54:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
We are in the process of making a wing root fairing (fillet) that will
reach aft beyond the step. We should be doing testing in the next 2
weeks. I will post the results if there is an improvement.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> <saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
> What's the best way to turn an "outie" dent to an "innie" that is
> easily fillable?
>
>
> Has anyone tried to do a fairing around the the step as it protrudes
> from the fuselage? If so, was it worth the effort?
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> 40080
> facing sanding and finishing hell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root Fairing |
I think it's called "Rubber Channel" in Van's catalog.
do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:56 AM, William Curtis wrote:
>
> I was thinking of using the rubber F-1094C gap seal used under the
> horizontal stab to provide a tighter fit and add some flexibility.
> Should also provide a nice clean look and a ~small gap fairing
> benefit. F-1094C is not on "the list" however so will have to call
> Van's for pricing on required length.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>>
>>
>> Yup, the fairing is trimmed to a close fit to the fuselage. There
>> is no
>> rubber filler.
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> Ted French C-FXCS
>> RV-10 Flying
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tad Sargent
>> Sent: December 4, 2007 5:13 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Wing root Fairing
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> Hey guys I am in the final assembly stages of a 10. My questions
>> has to do
>> with the gap between the fuse and the wing root fairing. My 7 has
>> a rubber
>> seal to make up the gap, I cannot find this pictured or a gap
>> specified for
>> the 10. Is the fairing trimmed to a 32nd and that it or did I miss
>> the
>> rubber piece somewhter.
>> Thanks,
>> Tad Sargent
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) |
If you wait for the right time (filling time), the guy driving the
truck should know.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 4, 2007, at 1:02 PM, James K Hovis wrote:
> >
>
> You're right. I'm afraid delivering straight MOGAS (no ethanol) will
> end up in the same boat, only a few suppliers willing to dedicate a
> truck or two to deliver to the few airports who sell MOGAS (as
> compared to the ethanol-gas delivered to the thousands of filling
> stations). The price could end up the same as Avgas. But at least
> premium gasoline in Missouri won't be required to have ethanol. You'll
> probably have to ask to see if the premium in the tanks at the filling
> station does or doesn't have ethanol. Think the $5 an hour clerk will
> know???
>
> Kevin H.
>
> On 12/4/07, GRANSCOTT@aol.com <GRANSCOTT@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 12/4/2007 9:30:02 AM Central Standard Time,
>> james.k.hovis@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Then again, if the fuel trucks are carrying blended fuel, won't that
>> contaminate straight MOGAS destined for the local airports? Or are
>> the
>> fuel vendors going to have to use separate trucks to deliver MOGAS
>> to
>> airports same as they do now for Avgas? I don't think so. The supply
>> of "clean" MOGAS at Missouri airports will dry up. My local airport
>> has a pump and tank for 87 MOGAS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevin don't know how your gas is delivered but generally because the
>> tankers
>> are carrying leaded gas for 100LL they cannot use those tanks for
>> any other
>> product, thus it's my understanding that these tank wagons are
>> dedicated
>> tanks...that's another reason we pay extra for aviation fuel.
>>
>> P
>>
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| Subject: | unused F-1003A instrument panel blank |
Anyone have an F-1003A instrument panel that they will not be using that they would like to sell? I'm looking to have the stock panel waterjet cut by the folks at experimental air (http://www.experimentalair.com/) and would like an extra panel to experiment on. Van's seems to have raised the price of the F-1003A panel to $55. I can get a 2' X 4' X 0.063 sheet of 6061-T6 from Spruce for about $36, but I know some builders are opting for fiberglass or the oversized panel from Stein in place of the stock panel. I can give a home to that leftover stock panel.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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> Another source is McMaster-Carr, easiest way to find it is to simply search on
"3M Silicone" and it comes up at the bottom of the page. The 10.3 oz cartridge
is 3M part number 8663, McMaster-Carr part number 74955A68 and it's $11.85.
You can also get the 3 oz tube for $8.00...
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| Subject: | unused F-1003A instrument panel blank |
You might consider using your original panel for the experiment and making
the final panel out of .090. It provides a stiffer panel for big EFIS
cutouts.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: unused F-1003A instrument panel blank
Anyone have an F-1003A instrument panel that they will not be using that
they would like to sell? I'm looking to have the stock panel waterjet cut
by the folks at experimental air (http://www.experimentalair.com/) and would
like an extra panel to experiment on. Van's seems to have raised the price
of the F-1003A panel to $55. I can get a 2' X 4' X 0.063 sheet of 6061-T6
from Spruce for about $36, but I know some builders are opting for
fiberglass or the oversized panel from Stein in place of the stock panel. I
can give a home to that leftover stock panel.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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>
> Another source is McMaster-Carr, easiest way to find it is to simply
search on "3M Silicone" and it comes up at the bottom of the page. The 10.3
oz cartridge is 3M part number 8663, McMaster-Carr part number 74955A68 and
it's $11.85. You can also get the 3 oz tube for $8.00...
>
> Bob #40105
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing |
This is a preliminary look at them. We have the molds made and will
be pulling our first parts off this week, probably. No promises, but
we will test carefully and thoroughly for improved performance.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 4, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> That will be interesting. I wish Van would have made the flap 1
> foot shorter and then made the wing extend all the way back to the
> step.
> I hate watching people either narrowly missing or just hitting the
> flap as they typically are getting off the plane. The Cirrus is
> setup this way.
> That sounds interesting.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Scott Schmidt
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:54:44 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
>
>
> We are in the process of making a wing root fairing (fillet) that will
> reach aft beyond the step. We should be doing testing in the next 2
> weeks. I will post the results if there is an improvement.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
>
> > <saolesen@sirentel.net>
> >
> > What's the best way to turn an "outie" dent to an "innie" that is
> > easily fillable?
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried to do a fairing around the the step as it protrudes
>
>
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| Subject: | "Innies" and "outies", step fairing |
Scott do you have the flaps all they way down when you are entering and
exiting the plane? Randy 40006
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
That will be interesting. I wish Van would have made the flap 1 foot
shorter and then made the wing extend all the way back to the step.
I hate watching people either narrowly missing or just hitting the flap
as they typically are getting off the plane. The Cirrus is setup this
way.
That sounds interesting.
Do not archive
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:54:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
We are in the process of making a wing root fairing (fillet) that will
reach aft beyond the step. We should be doing testing in the next 2
weeks. I will post the results if there is an improvement.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> <saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
> What's the best way to turn an "outie" dent to an "innie" that is
> easily fillable?
>
>
> Has anyone tried to do a fairing around the the step as it protrudes
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| Subject: | Re: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing |
I do have the flaps all the way down when people get in and out. The problem is
some people walk straight off the plane and if they put the front of their foot
on the step, then their heals are either close of sometimes catch the flap.
I have tried it with the flaps up and then people catch their foot on the way up
and sometimes even getting off. The biggest problem is the average (non-aviation)
person thinks that the plane is the same as car. You can slam doors, step
anywhere and not be very cautious. I must say that 90% of the people I give
rides too are very courteous and over cautious, it is that 10% you have to
watch for. You know how it is, sometimes you give them the big speech but they
still do it quickly.
I don't worry about it too much but alot of these problems would be taken care
of if the wing was solid all the way to the step.
Flap inspection is something I look at extra close. You never know what happens
if you have your plane parked at an airport and someone jumps up and steps on
the flap.
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 12:26:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
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Scott do you have the flaps all they way
down when you are entering and exiting the plane? Randy 40006
From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007
10:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List:
"Innies" and "outies", step fairing
That will be interesting. I wish Van would have made the flap 1
foot shorter and then made the wing extend all the way back to the step.
I hate watching people either narrowly missing or just hitting the flap as they
typically are getting off the plane. The Cirrus is setup this way.
That sounds interesting.
Do not archive
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:54:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
We are in the process of making a wing root fairing (fillet) that will
reach aft beyond the step. We should be doing testing in the next 2
weeks. I will post the results if there is an improvement.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> <saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
> What's the best way to turn an "outie" dent to an
"innie" that is
> easily fillable?
>
>
> Has anyone tried to do a fairing around the the step as it protrudes
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| Subject: | "Innies" and "outies", step fairing |
I hear you. Just a reminder to all of those who are not flying yet.
There is a preferred way to get on and off of the wing. This was told to
me by Bruce at Vans about 1 month before my first flight. Always have
the person face forward "towards the prop" both getting on the wing and
getting off of the wing. Getting on the wing is a no brainier but
getting off is the real dangerous time for the flap. If they are facing
aft and have a flat soled shoe and there foot slips off of the step
their butt lands on the flap. If the flap is in the down position you
might have a chance of it taking a glancing blow. Also the weight
transfer is much higher if you face aft. You have a good step down and
with their full weight. Randy 40006
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
I do have the flaps all the way down when people get in and out. The
problem is some people walk straight off the plane and if they put the
front of their foot on the step, then their heals are either close of
sometimes catch the flap.
I have tried it with the flaps up and then people catch their foot on
the way up and sometimes even getting off. The biggest problem is the
average (non-aviation) person thinks that the plane is the same as car.
You can slam doors, step anywhere and not be very cautious. I must say
that 90% of the people I give rides too are very courteous and over
cautious, it is that 10% you have to watch for. You know how it is,
sometimes you give them the big speech but they still do it quickly.
I don't worry about it too much but alot of these problems would be
taken care of if the wing was solid all the way to the step.
Flap inspection is something I look at extra close. You never know what
happens if you have your plane parked at an airport and someone jumps up
and steps on the flap.
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 12:26:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
Scott do you have the flaps all they way down when you are entering and
exiting the plane? Randy 40006
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
That will be interesting. I wish Van would have made the flap 1 foot
shorter and then made the wing extend all the way back to the step.
I hate watching people either narrowly missing or just hitting the flap
as they typically are getting off the plane. The Cirrus is setup this
way.
That sounds interesting.
Do not archive
Scott Schmidt
----- Original Message ----
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:54:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Innies" and "outies", step fairing
We are in the process of making a wing root fairing (fillet) that will
reach aft beyond the step. We should be doing testing in the next 2
weeks. I will post the results if there is an improvement.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
> <saolesen@sirentel.net>
>
> What's the best way to turn an "outie" dent to an "innie" that is
> easily fillable?
>
>
> Has anyone tried to do a fairing around the the step as it protrudes
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I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto. Works well. Only
problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to have caused a ringing on the P-lead
that interfered with my GRT EIS 6000 counting ticks. Solved the problem
by moving the tach sensor to the other mag.
I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder if the delivery
problems were a result of this engineering/manufacturing effort. You may have
the new design. Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB, flying
"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> wrote:
G'day all,
Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick Start systems. Was
curious as to how many are going with this option and whether anyone has a wiring
diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the installation.
Cheers,
Ron
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Thanks Bill,
On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add a tacho
source select switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000. Is this
something that others have done/recommend? How effective is a mag check
at run-up without this switch?
TIA
Ron
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
DeRouchey
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Start
I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto.
Works well. Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to have
caused a ringing on the P-lead that interfered with my GRT EIS 6000
counting ticks. Solved the problem by moving the tach sensor to the
other mag.
I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder
if the delivery problems were a result of this engineering/manufacturing
effort. You may have the new design. Anyway, I will look for a wiring
diagram.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB, flying
"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> wrote:
G'day all,
Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison
Slick Start systems. Was curious as to how many are going with this
option and whether anyone has a wiring diagram/installation manual so I
can prepare for the installation.
Cheers,
Ron
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Here's what you need for the tach signal, assuming you're using two tach
switches and not a key switch.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Slick Start
Thanks Bill,
On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add a tacho source
select switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000. Is this something that
others have done/recommend? How effective is a mag check at run-up without
this switch?
TIA
Ron
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Start
I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto. Works well.
Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to have caused a ringing on
the P-lead that interfered with my GRT EIS 6000 counting ticks. Solved the
problem by moving the tach sensor to the other mag.
I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder if the
delivery problems were a result of this engineering/manufacturing effort.
You may have the new design. Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB, flying
"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> wrote:
G'day all,
Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick Start systems.
Was curious as to how many are going with this option and whether anyone has
a wiring diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the installation.
Cheers,
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: unused F-1003A instrument panel blank |
I have one you can have. E-mail me @ david555@cox.net. David O Boone
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: unused F-1003A instrument panel blank
>
> Anyone have an F-1003A instrument panel that they will not be using that
they would like to sell? I'm looking to have the stock panel waterjet cut
by the folks at experimental air (http://www.experimentalair.com/) and would
like an extra panel to experiment on. Van's seems to have raised the price
of the F-1003A panel to $55. I can get a 2' X 4' X 0.063 sheet of 6061-T6
from Spruce for about $36, but I know some builders are opting for
fiberglass or the oversized panel from Stein in place of the stock panel. I
can give a home to that leftover stock panel.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> >
> > Another source is McMaster-Carr, easiest way to find it is to simply
search on "3M Silicone" and it comes up at the bottom of the page. The 10.3
oz cartridge is 3M part number 8663, McMaster-Carr part number 74955A68 and
it's $11.85. You can also get the 3 oz tube for $8.00...
> >
> > Bob #40105
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150165#150165
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
12/1/2007 12:05 PM
>
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| Subject: | What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At
least other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular
for you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to
future flyers
My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
Bill Watson
Durham NC
40605
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| Subject: | Wing root Fairing |
I suspect the gap seal used on the horizontal stab might force you to trim a
fairly large gap in the fairing. Not necessarily a big deal, but I just
used narrow U channel to help seal the gap and make up for any
irregularities.
Marcus
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing root Fairing
I was thinking of using the rubber F-1094C gap seal used under the
horizontal stab to provide a tighter fit and add some flexibility. Should
also provide a nice clean look and a ~small gap fairing benefit. F-1094C is
not on "the list" however so will have to call Van's for pricing on required
length.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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> Yup, the fairing is trimmed to a close fit to the fuselage. There is no
> rubber filler.
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> Ted French C-FXCS
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tad Sargent
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> Subject: RV10-List: Wing root Fairing
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>
>
> Hey guys I am in the final assembly stages of a 10. My questions has to
do
> with the gap between the fuse and the wing root fairing. My 7 has a
rubber
> seal to make up the gap, I cannot find this pictured or a gap specified
for
> the 10. Is the fairing trimmed to a 32nd and that it or did I miss the
> rubber piece somewhter.
> Thanks,
> Tad Sargent
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| Subject: | What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
Bill -
I'm not flying yet, but I put the panel flood (LED strips from Stein), Map
spot (LED from Stein), PMags, and a cigar receptacle on the battery bus.
Baggage bay lights will be the dry-cell powered stick-on LED lights from
Lowe's.
Neal E. George
2023 Everglades Drive
Navarre, FL 32566
Home - 850-515-0640
Cell - 850-218-4838
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At least
other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular for
you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to future
flyers
My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
Bill Watson
Durham NC
40605
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Ron-
From only my own experience .... I simply listen to the engine for smoothness
and a small rpm drop and ignore the fact that the rpm reads zero. My sub-conscious
can spot a miss within 10 milliseconds of the event and awake me from the
dead in another 10 milliseconds. But thats just me.
If you feel more comfortable with the switch then do it. I was seeing a problem
with the EIS reporting (with an alert) the engine running at 3000, 3200, 3550
rpm. Usually I saw this in a decent and believed I was decending too fast
or something was wrong with my governor. Then I saw the alert flying the pattern
when the engine could not have possibly been overrevving. Looked at the P-leads
with an oscilloscope and the two P-leads had vastly different patterns. With
the Slick Start it looked like ringing and the other mag looked more like
I expected to see. Recently changed the sensor to the mag without the Slick Start
and I have not seen the over rev since, but I would feel more comfortable
with this fix if I had another 10 hours, or so, on the aircraft since it happened
randomly.
So, go ahead and add the switch but if you see an overrev and it is pointing
to the Slick Start mag then change it to the other mag to verify the problem.
It would be good to get more input on this problem and the switch could be a great
debugging tool.
Bill
"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> wrote:
Thanks Bill,
On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add a tacho source select
switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000. Is this something that others
have done/recommend? How effective is a mag check at run-up without this switch?
TIA
Ron
187 finishing
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Start
I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto. Works well. Only
problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to have caused a ringing on the
P-lead that interfered with my GRT EIS 6000 counting ticks. Solved the problem
by moving the tach sensor to the other mag.
I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder if the delivery
problems were a result of this engineering/manufacturing effort. You may have
the new design. Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB, flying
"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> wrote:
G'day all,
Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick Start systems. Was
curious as to how many are going with this option and whether anyone has a wiring
diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the installation.
Cheers,
Ron
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| Subject: | What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
Bill,
I just have my Ebus alternate feed and my Lightspeed ignition on the battery
bus.
I attached my schematic if that is of help. I also have a lot of electrical
system files - wire lists, load analysis, etc - if you are interested.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At least
other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular for
you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to future
flyers
My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
Bill Watson
Durham NC
40605
10:56 PM
10:56 PM
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| Subject: | Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
I have flaps and electronic igniton on the battery bus.
Jerry Calvert
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From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
>
> I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At
> least other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
>
> Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular
> for you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to
> future flyers
>
> My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
> don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
>
> Bill Watson
> Durham NC
> 40605
>
>
>
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I feel the same way as Bill. The mag and the Lightspeed have
different pulse counts for RPM, so I set my EIS up for the
lightspeed. It works great, but I don't get to see what
my mag drop is when running on just the mag. Even with a switch,
one would read different than actual, due to the pulse count
difference. To me, I see it as no big deal. When you run on
just the lightspeed, you only drop 10-20 RPM. When you run on
just the mag, you can tell pretty easily if it's running smooth
or dropping a big drop. The most important thing is that the
rpm doesn't drop a ton and it runs smooth, and you can hear that
by ear easily. Besides that, with a lightspeed I haven't had
a single iota of problems with my top plugs, and with fine wire
plugs, my bottoms are staying very clean too...so fouling
hasn't been an issue.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> Ron-
> From only my own experience .... I simply listen to the engine for
> smoothness and a small rpm drop and ignore the fact that the rpm reads
> zero. My sub-conscious can spot a miss within 10 milliseconds of the
> event and awake me from the dead in another 10 milliseconds. But thats
> just me.
>
> If you feel more comfortable with the switch then do it. I was seeing a
> problem with the EIS reporting (with an alert) the engine running at
> 3000, 3200, 3550 rpm. Usually I saw this in a decent and believed I was
> decending too fast or something was wrong with my governor. Then I saw
> the alert flying the pattern when the engine could not have possibly
> been overrevving. Looked at the P-leads with an oscilloscope and the two
> P-leads had vastly different patterns. With the Slick Start it looked
> like ringing and the other mag looked more like I expected to see.
> Recently changed the sensor to the mag without the Slick Start and I
> have not seen the over rev since, but I would feel more comfortable with
> this fix if I had another 10 hours, or so, on the aircraft since it
> happened randomly.
>
> So, go ahead and add the switch but if you see an overrev and it is
> pointing to the Slick Start mag then change it to the other mag to
> verify the problem. It would be good to get more input on this
> problem and the switch could be a great debugging tool.
>
> Bill
>
>
> */"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>/* wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill,
>
> On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add a tacho
> source select switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000. Is this
> something that others have done/recommend? How effective is a mag
> check at run-up without this switch?
>
> TIA
> Ron
> 187 finishing
>
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Bill DeRouchey
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Slick Start
>
> I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto.
> Works well. Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to
> have caused a ringing on the P-lead that interfered with my GRT
> EIS 6000 counting ticks. Solved the problem by moving the tach
> sensor to the other mag.
>
> I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder
> if the delivery problems were a result of this
> engineering/manufacturing effort. You may have the new design.
> Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> billderou@yahoo.com <mailto:billderou@yahoo.com>
> N939SB, flying
>
> */"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>/* wrote:
>
> G'day all,
> Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick
> Start systems. Was curious as to how many are going with
> this option and whether anyone has a wiring
> diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the
> installation.
> Cheers,
> Ron
>
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| Subject: | Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
I just have my lightspeed as switchable from the aux battery's
battery bus, to the main bus. That's the only item I put on
that battery bus. You can land fine with no flaps, so if you're
going to put anything else on it, the trim might be the one thing
worth doing. If you put lights on it, you may find yourself with
a dead battery from forgetting to turn off the lights. For me,
I don't mind only having lights with the master on...especially
since I have those electrical system independent click-lights
for the rear seats and baggage area that I can always turn on.
I know there are some people that love the idea of a battery
bus, but I love the idea of only super mission critical stuff
on it...and being able to turn it positively off. That's why
for me, it's just the lightspeed and nothing else...and even
one I start the engine, I switch that to the Main bus so that
when I power the airplane off and turn off the key, there's
now power to any ignition system.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At
> least other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
>
> Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular
> for you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to
> future flyers
>
> My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
> don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
>
> Bill Watson
> Durham NC
> 40605
>
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| Subject: | Weight and Balance |
I got my empty weight and it is 1641 at 108.74 inches. How does that
compare to the ones flying? Seems a little aft to me considering what
happens when put some weight in the back seat. The only things I did not
have on/in the plane were the wheel fairings.
Any opinions?
Rene'
N423CF
40322
finish..or something like that
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
items on the battery buss:
-the Battery relay itself
-Electronic ignition -if installed
-clock if separate of efis
-EFIS Keepalive if any
-hobbs meter
-and oh yeah, the dome and baggage light; but what do you tie it to to keep it
from accidentaly killing your dual battery? Baggage door and cabin door?
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
>
> I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At
> least other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
>
> Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular
> for you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to
> future flyers
>
> My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
> don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
>
> Bill Watson
> Durham NC
> 40605
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I needed to wrap up the engine installation so I gave up on SS since I
was hearing several more months. I swapped out my retard breaker mag for
a impulse coupled mag. Too bad...
AeroElectric Connection article on wiring attached.
Brian Sutherland
Nashville, TN 40308
(still finishing!)
McGANN, Ron wrote:
>
> G'day all,
>
> Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick Start
> systems. Was curious as to how many are going with this option and
> whether anyone has a wiring diagram/installation manual so I can
> prepare for the installation.
>
> Cheers,
> Ron
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
Rene,
Mine was 1576 lbs and 109.24 inches empty, but no interior and no paint yet
.
60+ hours on it at these numbers, with absolutely no adverse handling
qualities either 1 pilot or 4 pax and full fuel.
grumpy
N184JM and still waiting on Picasso to finish my paint job!!
In a message dated 12/4/2007 8:39:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
rene@felker.com writes:
I got my empty weight and it is 1641 at 108.74 inches. How does that
compare to the ones flying? Seems a little aft to me considering what happ
ens when
put some weight in the back seat. The only things I did not have on/in the
plane were the wheel fairings.
Any opinions?
Rene'
N423CF
40322
finish.or something like that
801-721-6080
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(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List)
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| Subject: | Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
Can you share the rationale for the flaps?
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I have flaps and electronic igniton on the battery bus.
> Jerry Calvert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> To: "RV10-List Digest Server" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:46 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
>
>
> >
> > I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At
> > least other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
> >
> > Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular
> > for you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to
> > future flyers
> >
> > My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
> > don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
> >
> > Bill Watson
> > Durham NC
> > 40605
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
1685 and 108.67 I think you'll fly just fine. Just do all your
W&B's and get a feel for loading senarios.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rene wrote:
> I got my empty weight and it is 1641 at 108.74 inches. How does that
> compare to the ones flying? Seems a little aft to me considering what
> happens when put some weight in the back seat. The only things I did
> not have on/in the plane were the wheel fairings.
>
>
>
> Any opinions?
>
>
>
>
>
> Rene'
>
> N423CF
>
> 40322
>
> finish.or something like that
>
> 801-721-6080
>
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| Subject: | Re: unused F-1003A instrument panel blank |
Thanks to all who responded and offered me their "left over" F-1003A instrument panel blank. Local builder Bob Newman (http://www.tcwtech.com/RV-10%20construction%20project.htm) has graciously offered me his since he will be going with a composite panel similar to his Glastar (http://www.tcwtech.com/New%20Panel%20N99RN.JPG). While I'm there to pick up the panel, I'll take the opportunity to closely examine his Safety-Trim (http://www.tcwtech.com/Aviation%20Products.htm).
Seems quite a few folks have left over instrument panels. One year at OSH we should
have all builders bring their left over parts (panels, crotch strap clip,
primer pump mount, door handles, etc) put it in a pile and raffle it all off
with the proceeds going to charity. I bet that would be one big pile of parts.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:42 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: unused F-1003A instrument panel blank
>
>
> >
> > Anyone have an F-1003A instrument panel that they will not be using that
> they would like to sell? I'm looking to have the stock panel waterjet cut
> by the folks at experimental air (http://www.experimentalair.com/) and would
> like an extra panel to experiment on. Van's seems to have raised the price
> of the F-1003A panel to $55. I can get a 2' X 4' X 0.063 sheet of 6061-T6
> from Spruce for about $36, but I know some builders are opting for
> fiberglass or the oversized panel from Stein in place of the stock panel. I
> can give a home to that leftover stock panel.
> >
> > William
> > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > >
> > > Another source is McMaster-Carr, easiest way to find it is to simply
> search on "3M Silicone" and it comes up at the bottom of the page. The 10.3
> oz cartridge is 3M part number 8663, McMaster-Carr part number 74955A68 and
> it's $11.85. You can also get the 3 oz tube for $8.00...
> > >
> > > Bob #40105
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150165#150165
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > --
> 12/1/2007 12:05 PM
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| Subject: | What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
John
What software did you use to draw your schematic? I would like to do
something similar ....
Cheers
Les Kearney
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: December-04-07 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
Bill,
I just have my Ebus alternate feed and my Lightspeed ignition on the battery
bus.
I attached my schematic if that is of help. I also have a lot of electrical
system files - wire lists, load analysis, etc - if you are interested.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At least
other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular for
you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to future
flyers
My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
Bill Watson
Durham NC
40605
10:56 PM
10:56 PM
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From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
If you are planning on some form of electronic ignition, that might be a
good choice for battery bus power.
Ignition power then works just like a mag, as long as the switch is on and
the breaker or fuse is good the ignition is powered regardless of any other
failures.
Dick Sipp
40065 N110DV
buttoning up at the airport
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
1625lbs at 106.99".
Anh
N591VU
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From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weight and Balance
>
>
>
> 1685 and 108.67 I think you'll fly just fine. Just do all your
> W&B's and get a feel for loading senarios.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Rene wrote:
>> I got my empty weight and it is 1641 at 108.74 inches. How does that
>> compare to the ones flying? Seems a little aft to me considering what
>> happens when put some weight in the back seat. The only things I did not
>> have on/in the plane were the wheel fairings.
>>
>> Any opinions? Rene'
>>
>> N423CF
>>
>> 40322
>>
>> finish.or something like that
>>
>> 801-721-6080
>>
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I have dual Slicks, both have couplers. No Slick Start. EIS tach is
connected to only the left mag. I listen for mag drop on the other. No
issues so far.
Anh
N591VU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Start
>
>
>
> I feel the same way as Bill. The mag and the Lightspeed have
> different pulse counts for RPM, so I set my EIS up for the
> lightspeed. It works great, but I don't get to see what
> my mag drop is when running on just the mag. Even with a switch,
> one would read different than actual, due to the pulse count
> difference. To me, I see it as no big deal. When you run on
> just the lightspeed, you only drop 10-20 RPM. When you run on
> just the mag, you can tell pretty easily if it's running smooth
> or dropping a big drop. The most important thing is that the
> rpm doesn't drop a ton and it runs smooth, and you can hear that
> by ear easily. Besides that, with a lightspeed I haven't had
> a single iota of problems with my top plugs, and with fine wire
> plugs, my bottoms are staying very clean too...so fouling
> hasn't been an issue.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bill DeRouchey wrote:
>> Ron-
>> From only my own experience .... I simply listen to the engine for
>> smoothness and a small rpm drop and ignore the fact that the rpm reads
>> zero. My sub-conscious can spot a miss within 10 milliseconds of the
>> event and awake me from the dead in another 10 milliseconds. But thats
>> just me.
>> If you feel more comfortable with the switch then do it. I was seeing a
>> problem with the EIS reporting (with an alert) the engine running at
>> 3000, 3200, 3550 rpm. Usually I saw this in a decent and believed I was
>> decending too fast or something was wrong with my governor. Then I saw
>> the alert flying the pattern when the engine could not have possibly been
>> overrevving. Looked at the P-leads with an oscilloscope and the two
>> P-leads had vastly different patterns. With the Slick Start it looked
>> like ringing and the other mag looked more like I expected to see.
>> Recently changed the sensor to the mag without the Slick Start and I have
>> not seen the over rev since, but I would feel more comfortable with this
>> fix if I had another 10 hours, or so, on the aircraft since it happened
>> randomly.
>> So, go ahead and add the switch but if you see an overrev and it is
>> pointing to the Slick Start mag then change it to the other mag to verify
>> the problem. It would be good to get more input on this problem and the
>> switch could be a great debugging tool.
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> */"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>/* wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bill,
>> On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add a tacho
>> source select switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000. Is this
>> something that others have done/recommend? How effective is a mag
>> check at run-up without this switch?
>> TIA
>> Ron
>> 187 finishing
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *Bill DeRouchey
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Slick Start
>>
>> I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto.
>> Works well. Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to
>> have caused a ringing on the P-lead that interfered with my GRT
>> EIS 6000 counting ticks. Solved the problem by moving the tach
>> sensor to the other mag.
>> I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder
>> if the delivery problems were a result of this
>> engineering/manufacturing effort. You may have the new design.
>> Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.
>> Bill DeRouchey
>> billderou@yahoo.com <mailto:billderou@yahoo.com>
>> N939SB, flying
>>
>> */"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>/* wrote:
>>
>> G'day all,
>> Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick
>> Start systems. Was curious as to how many are going with
>> this option and whether anyone has a wiring
>> diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the
>> installation.
>> Cheers,
>> Ron
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| Subject: | Annual Price increase? |
Has anyone heard any rumblings about any increase this year? Is it time to
figure how much can order before New Years? Does Vans usually shut down for
some part of the Holidays? How early does one have to order?
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I used TurboCad v12
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
John
What software did you use to draw your schematic? I would like to do
something similar ....
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
C-GCWZ reserved
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: December-04-07 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
Bill,
I just have my Ebus alternate feed and my Lightspeed ignition on the battery
bus.
I attached my schematic if that is of help. I also have a lot of electrical
system files - wire lists, load analysis, etc - if you are interested.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus. At least
other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps not.
Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in particular for
you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you recommend to future
flyers
My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies but I
don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
Bill Watson
Durham NC
40605
10:56 PM
10:56 PM
10:56 PM
10:56 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choices (Taxi Testing New Engine) |
Ethanol isn't like lead. If a tank truck took a load of gasahol, then a load
of straight mogas, the contamination wouldn't be enough to worry about.
Also, it doesn't matter where you are, your nearest bulk plant has mogas
without any ethanol, because they can't put ethanol in the pipelines, it has
to come by rail or tank truck. Whether they would sell you any, for your
"yacht", I don't know.
That was what used to do in Alaska...just use somebody's boat registration
number, go to bulk plant with a 100 gal tank in back of pickup, and fill it
with straight mogas.
On 12/4/07, James K Hovis <james.k.hovis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> You're right. I'm afraid delivering straight MOGAS (no ethanol) will
> end up in the same boat, only a few suppliers willing to dedicate a
> truck or two to deliver to the few airports who sell MOGAS (as
> compared to the ethanol-gas delivered to the thousands of filling
> stations). The price could end up the same as Avgas. But at least
> premium gasoline in Missouri won't be required to have ethanol. You'll
> probably have to ask to see if the premium in the tanks at the filling
> station does or doesn't have ethanol. Think the $5 an hour clerk will
> know???
>
> Kevin H.
>
> On 12/4/07, GRANSCOTT@aol.com <GRANSCOTT@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 12/4/2007 9:30:02 AM Central Standard Time,
> > james.k.hovis@gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Then again, if the fuel trucks are carrying blended fuel, won't that
> > contaminate straight MOGAS destined for the local airports? Or are the
> > fuel vendors going to have to use separate trucks to deliver MOGAS to
> > airports same as they do now for Avgas? I don't think so. The supply
> > of "clean" MOGAS at Missouri airports will dry up. My local airport
> > has a pump and tank for 87 MOGAS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin don't know how your gas is delivered but generally because the
> > tankers
> > are carrying leaded gas for 100LL they cannot use those tanks for
> any other
> > product, thus it's my understanding that these tank wagons are dedicated
> > tanks...that's another reason we pay extra for aviation fuel.
> >
> > P
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
Thanks Tim - that was an answer I was looking for. With a dual
batt/alt/bus design and no electronic ignition, I just can't figure out
why I need one. Except for the glaring omission of the battery
contactor trigger. And a clock.
Bill
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I just have my lightspeed as switchable from the aux battery's
> battery bus, to the main bus. That's the only item I put on
> that battery bus. You can land fine with no flaps, so if you're
> going to put anything else on it, the trim might be the one thing
> worth doing. If you put lights on it, you may find yourself with
> a dead battery from forgetting to turn off the lights. For me,
> I don't mind only having lights with the master on...especially
> since I have those electrical system independent click-lights
> for the rear seats and baggage area that I can always turn on.
> I know there are some people that love the idea of a battery
> bus, but I love the idea of only super mission critical stuff
> on it...and being able to turn it positively off. That's why
> for me, it's just the lightspeed and nothing else...and even
> one I start the engine, I switch that to the Main bus so that
> when I power the airplane off and turn off the key, there's
> now power to any ignition system.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> MauleDriver wrote:
>>
>> I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus.
>> At least other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps
>> not.
>>
>> Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in
>> particular for you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you
>> recommend to future flyers
>>
>> My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies
>> but I don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
>>
>> Bill Watson
>> Durham NC
>> 40605
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | What is connected to your always on battery bus? |
you might also consider a power outlet or cig lighter outlet of some sort
for that cell charger or pda that's running low. might allow for flight
planning or cell call on the ramp without having the master on. I've waited
out weather in the cockpit listening to a handheld plugged into constant
power. its definitely not required but sometimes handy.
steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: What is connected to your always on battery bus?
Thanks Tim - that was an answer I was looking for. With a dual
batt/alt/bus design and no electronic ignition, I just can't figure out why
I need one. Except for the glaring omission of the battery contactor
trigger. And a clock.
Bill
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I just have my lightspeed as switchable from the aux battery's battery
> bus, to the main bus. That's the only item I put on that battery bus.
> You can land fine with no flaps, so if you're going to put anything
> else on it, the trim might be the one thing worth doing. If you put
> lights on it, you may find yourself with a dead battery from
> forgetting to turn off the lights. For me, I don't mind only having
> lights with the master on...especially since I have those electrical
> system independent click-lights for the rear seats and baggage area
> that I can always turn on.
> I know there are some people that love the idea of a battery bus, but
> I love the idea of only super mission critical stuff on it...and being
> able to turn it positively off. That's why for me, it's just the
> lightspeed and nothing else...and even one I start the engine, I
> switch that to the Main bus so that when I power the airplane off and
> turn off the key, there's now power to any ignition system.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> MauleDriver wrote:
>>
>> I can't quite figure out what will end up going on my battery bus.
>> At least other than a dome light or baggage light.. and then perhaps
>> not.
>>
>> Please share what you are putting on your battery bus and in
>> particular for you flyers, what did you put on yours and what do you
>> recommend to future flyers
>>
>> My panel will probably be a dual Chelton with the standard goodies
>> but I don't beleive the battery bus gets involved much there.
>>
>> Bill Watson
>> Durham NC
>> 40605
>>
>
>
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