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1. 06:22 AM - My Electric Rudder Trim. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
2. 07:04 AM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (Bob Leffler)
3. 07:35 AM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (Michael Schipper)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
5. 08:09 AM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
6. 10:07 AM - Re: Cost/labor saving ideas (John Testement)
7. 10:19 AM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (ddddsp1@juno.com)
8. 10:23 AM - Vans aluminum tubing (Eric_Kallio)
9. 10:40 AM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
10. 11:50 AM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (Pascal)
11. 12:21 PM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (John Gonzalez)
12. 12:45 PM - Howdy ! (Gerry Filby)
13. 01:06 PM - Re: Howdy ! (Phillips, Jack)
14. 01:20 PM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
15. 01:46 PM - Re: Cost/labor saving ideas (Robin Marks)
16. 01:55 PM - Re: Howdy ! (Robin Marks)
17. 03:05 PM - Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. (Patrick Pulis)
18. 03:29 PM - Re: Landing Light Question (n277dl)
19. 04:03 PM - Re: Howdy ! (HAF / Bay Area Flying ... Long) (Gerry Filby)
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21. 08:03 PM - Re: Howdy ! (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | My Electric Rudder Trim. |
I have finally finished my Electric Rudder Trim on my RV-10 thi
s past weekend. The airplane is now back together, but the weather in the
mid-west was freezing rain all weekend and I didn't get a chance to flight
test. But initial testing with a fixed trim tab would indicate that this s
hould meet my design requirements.
Pictures are suppose to be worth a thousand words, so I will sa
ve myself the typing and post lots of pictures instead.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rdoerr10/RV10ElectricRudderTrim
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
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| Subject: | My Electric Rudder Trim. |
Ray,
Your trim looks great!
Any chance you would document your dimensions and procedures so that others
may copy?
Thanks,
bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
I have finally finished my Electric Rudder Trim on my RV-10 this
past weekend. The airplane is now back together, but the weather in the
mid-west was freezing rain all weekend and I didn't get a chance to flight
test. But initial testing with a fixed trim tab would indicate that this
should meet my design requirements.
Pictures are suppose to be worth a thousand words, so I will
save myself the typing and post lots of pictures instead.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rdoerr10/RV10ElectricRudderTrim
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. |
Hi Ray,
Thanks for the post. One thing that isn't clear from the pictures is
how you reinforced the tab itself after it was cut from the rudder.
Did you add a spar of some sort?
Regards,
Mike Schipper
#40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> I have finally finished my Electric Rudder Trim on my
> RV-10 this past weekend. The airplane is now back together, but the
> weather in the mid-west was freezing rain all weekend and I didn=92t
> get a chance to flight test. But initial testing with a fixed trim
> tab would indicate that this should meet my design requirements.
>
> Pictures are suppose to be worth a thousand words, so I
> will save myself the typing and post lots of pictures instead.
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rdoerr10/RV10ElectricRudderTrim
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250 (N519RV ' 341 Hrs)
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| Subject: | My Electric Rudder Trim. |
Sure, I can do that. But I would like to wait until I get throu
gh the flight testing to see if the size of the tab, travel, etc is correct
.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Ray,
Your trim looks great!
Any chance you would document your dimensions and procedures so that others
may copy?
Thanks,
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
I have finally finished my Electric Rudder Trim on my RV-10 thi
s past weekend. The airplane is now back together, but the weather in the
mid-west was freezing rain all weekend and I didn't get a chance to flight
test. But initial testing with a fixed trim tab would indicate that this s
hould meet my design requirements.
Pictures are suppose to be worth a thousand words, so I will sa
ve myself the typing and post lots of pictures instead.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rdoerr10/RV10ElectricRudderTrim
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
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| Subject: | My Electric Rudder Trim. |
The tab was made with new material, not using the piece I remov
ed. This way I was able to rivet the control horns to one side before rive
ting the trailing edge of the tab. The tab has a =BC" think balsa Spar wit
h two layers of glass behind it. The balsa is there just to create the cor
rect gap. I also did the same to close in the top and bottom of the tab.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Schipper
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Hi Ray,
Thanks for the post. One thing that isn't clear from the pictures is how yo
u reinforced the tab itself after it was cut from the rudder. Did you add a
spar of some sort?
Regards,
Mike Schipper
#40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com<http://www.rvten.com>
On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
I have finally finished my Electric Rudder Trim on my RV-10 thi
s past weekend. The airplane is now back together, but the weather in the
mid-west was freezing rain all weekend and I didn't get a chance to flight
test. But initial testing with a fixed trim tab would indicate that this s
hould meet my design requirements.
Pictures are suppose to be worth a thousand words, so I will sa
ve myself the typing and post lots of pictures instead.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rdoerr10/RV10ElectricRudderTrim
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
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| Subject: | Cost/labor saving ideas |
Add to the list:
Harbor Freight Pneumatic Pop Riveter - about $25 (worth hundreds in saved
time)
Couldn't do without the pneumatic squeezer
Battery powered screwdriver for deburring (Black & Decker)
Magnetic pick up stick.
We have found that 50% of the build time is spent looking for stuff (I just
laid that tool down next to me - where is it?!?) - organize you tools and
parts well and keep things where they belong.
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep, interior, and LOTS of little stuff
do not archive
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> Subject: RV10-List: Cost/labor saving ideas
> From: tganster@mwwb.net
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:07:07 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I am interested in starting a thread showing cost saving ideas you have
found while building your plane. I found two ideas from other RV builders
while searching the web. I am a fairly new builder and I apologize if these
are old hat.
> Rather than spending the money on alodine by the gallon and the hazard
shipping to go with it, I purchase 2 lbs. 14-2 iridite from a local racing
supply house for $59.00. The dry powder mixes with water to make up to 40
gals. of alodine.
> I also built a c-frame dimpler from some scrap I had laying around the
shop. I mounted my rivet gun to the top of the piston for a very efficient
way of dimpling skins. It really works quite well. See attachment.
> Please add your cost/labor savers to the list.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151235#151235
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03349_451.jpg
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| Subject: | My Electric Rudder Trim. |
Ray,
Did you reinforce the Rudder where the tab mounts? Just thinking about
any oil canning and structure support needed. Hope it works as desig
ned.......time to PAINT yet? :)
Dean
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| Subject: | Vans aluminum tubing |
While trying to get the fuel lines ran I ran into several problems with the 3/8ths
tubing supplied with the kit. Much of it was out of round, presumably flattened
when coiled. I also had 3 places where the tubing was cracked. All told
I got about 7 feet of usable tubing. I ordered an additional 6 feet and when I
went to use it it was ALL flattened. While not significant, the widest spot was
measured to be .390 inches. That makes it tough to get the .375 inch fittings
on. A phone call to Vans provided the response that I expected. It is apparently
my fault that the tubing was coiled so tight that it got out of round, and
they haven't heard of this before. Am I the only one that has had this problem
or is this more common than Vans wants to admit? No I find myself heading
to the airport to scrounge a 14" piece of tubing to finish the fuel lines, since
I refuse to get more from Vans. If need be I will go to Aircraft Spruce. They
haven't failed me yet. and doubt they will.
Eric Kallio
40518 Fuel system frustration
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | My Electric Rudder Trim. |
Yes, I re-enforced all around the perimeter of the cutout for t
he Trim Servo. You can see the angles on all for sides of the Servo plate.
Also I created a spar where the trim tab hinge mounts to. You can see in
the pictures there are two rivets above the 5 screws because I wanted to r
un it up to the next stiffeners in the rudder. I tell you it is very stron
g is this area, likely over-built, but that is better than under-built.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Ray,
Did you reinforce the Rudder where the tab mounts? Just thinking about an
y oil canning and structure support needed. Hope it works as designed...
....time to PAINT yet? :)
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: My Electric Rudder Trim. |
Sweet!
Let us know how the testing goes!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: Doerr, Ray R [NTK]
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Sure, I can do that. But I would like to wait until I get
through the flight testing to see if the size of the tab, travel, etc is
correct.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:59 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Ray,
Your trim looks great!
Any chance you would document your dimensions and procedures so that
others may copy?
Thanks,
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:21 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
I have finally finished my Electric Rudder Trim on my
RV-10 this past weekend. The airplane is now back together, but the
weather in the mid-west was freezing rain all weekend and I didn't get a
chance to flight test. But initial testing with a fixed trim tab would
indicate that this should meet my design requirements.
Pictures are suppose to be worth a thousand words, so I
will save myself the typing and post lots of pictures instead.
http://picasaweb.google.com/rdoerr10/RV10ElectricRudderTrim
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
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| Subject: | My Electric Rudder Trim. |
Did you actually tie into the rudder stiffners with the new spar piece whic
h is infront of the trim surface cut out or is it only tied into the skins?
John G.
From: Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comDate: Mon, 10 Dec 20
07 12:35:31 -0600Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Yes, I re-enforced all around the perimeter of the cutout for t
he Trim Servo. You can see the angles on all for sides of the Servo plate.
Also I created a spar where the trim tab hinge mounts to. You can see in
the pictures there are two rivets above the 5 screws because I wanted to r
un it up to the next stiffeners in the rudder. I tell you it is very stron
g is this area, likely over-built, but that is better than under-built.
Thank YouRay Doerr
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.comSent: Monday, December 10, 2007
11:46 AMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudd
er Trim.
Ray,
Did you reinforce the Rudder where the tab mounts? Just thinking about an
y oil canning and structure support needed. Hope it works as designed...
....time to PAINT yet? :)
Dean
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Hi Folks,
Well now I've gone and done it - I sent in my order for an RV-10 empennage
kit.
Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group since I'll likely be bugging you with
inane questions :-)
Live in San Francisco and fly out of Half Moon Bay. I'm a "repeat offender"
having completed my RV-9 in January of this year - she's got 300 hours on
her and I started the first Annual Condition Inspection last night.
http://www.n696wg.com
(Aerosport IO-320, Hartzell Constant Speed, AFP fuel injection, 1 Lightspeed
and 1 Mag.)
I've been having a ball this last year flying around the great state of
California. But I have to admit it - I really miss the building ... yeah, I
know, how messed up is that.
All the best ...
Gerry.
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Man, you've been doing some flying to put 300 hours on a plane in less
than a year. Welcome to the list, Gerry. There are some good folks on
this list. There are a number of topics that people will be very happy
to discuss with you, such as:
1. What kind of primer you need to put on your project
2. Which of the many alternative engines is better than the Lycoming,
and why
3. What type of glass panel you need to buy
4. Who are the recommended builder assistance shops
5. Why does the "tunnel" between the seats get hot
Just kidding - any of those topics will touch off a flame war.
Sometimes such wars are fun to read, but they generally are a waste of
bandwidth. Any other topics will generally get you a good, well
thought-out answer. There are a couple of websites worth adding to your
"Favorites" list:
http://www.myrv10.com/ This is Tim Olson'spage. He is a very nice
fellow, and a prolific contributor to the RV-10 forum. His website
contains a wealth of information. Tim's plane has been flying for a
couple of years now and usually makes it to the major fly-ins around the
country.
http://www.soundingsresearch.com/RV-10/Home.htm This is John Jessen's
builders log and he does a good job of documenting the various steps
involved. Sometimes if you are confused about a step in the project you
can go to John's site and see some pictures that put things into
perspective
There are several other good sites but these have been of the most help
to me.
Welcome aboard!
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
#40610
Empennage Finished - trying to decide whether to buy the wing kit now,
or wait for the stock market to go up enough for my stock options to buy
the Quickbuild kit
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Howdy !
Hi Folks,
Well now I've gone and done it - I sent in my order for an RV-10
empennage
kit.
Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group since I'll likely be bugging you
with
inane questions :-)
Live in San Francisco and fly out of Half Moon Bay. I'm a "repeat
offender"
having completed my RV-9 in January of this year - she's got 300 hours
on
her and I started the first Annual Condition Inspection last night.
http://www.n696wg.com
(Aerosport IO-320, Hartzell Constant Speed, AFP fuel injection, 1
Lightspeed
and 1 Mag.)
I've been having a ball this last year flying around the great state of
California. But I have to admit it - I really miss the building ...
yeah, I
know, how messed up is that.
All the best ...
Gerry.
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| Subject: | My Electric Rudder Trim. |
It is just tied into the skin and then the triangle section is
glassed in all the way to the trailing edge.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Did you actually tie into the rudder stiffners with the new spar piece whic
h is infront of the trim surface cut out or is it only tied into the skins?
John G.
________________________________
From: Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Yes, I re-enforced all around the perimeter of the cutout for t
he Trim Servo. You can see the angles on all for sides of the Servo plate.
Also I created a spar where the trim tab hinge mounts to. You can see in
the pictures there are two rivets above the 5 screws because I wanted to r
un it up to the next stiffeners in the rudder. I tell you it is very stron
g is this area, likely over-built, but that is better than under-built.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
________________________________
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My Electric Rudder Trim.
Ray,
Did you reinforce the Rudder where the tab mounts? Just thinking about an
y oil canning and structure support needed. Hope it works as designed...
....time to PAINT yet? :)
Dean
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| Subject: | Cost/labor saving ideas |
>>We have found that 50% of the build time is spent looking for stuff (I
just laid that tool down next to me - where is it?!?) - organize you
tools and parts well and keep things where they belong.
On the above note I found that the best tool box I ever owned was a
large pegboard with a specific place for each tool. You always know
where they are and if one (or several are missing).
Minimal cost and can look impressive when organized. It also prevents
you from buying your third set of box wrenches.
Robin
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Welcome Gerry,
Maybe you can give a write up (at some point) on flying in and
around Half Moon Bay and the SF bay. I think that area is some of the
most dramatic scenery in the US and must be amazing from the seat of an
RV. Any tips as to the best months etc... to fly and particularly
weather patterns would be appreciated. (at your convenience)
When my -10 is complete I will be taking the family to the Ritz
there. Looks amazing.
BTW great looking -9. 300 hours in 11 months. YIKES! You
obviously need another project.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Howdy !
Hi Folks,
Well now I've gone and done it - I sent in my order for an RV-10
empennage
kit.
Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group since I'll likely be bugging you
with
inane questions :-)
Live in San Francisco and fly out of Half Moon Bay. I'm a "repeat
offender"
having completed my RV-9 in January of this year - she's got 300 hours
on
her and I started the first Annual Condition Inspection last night.
http://www.n696wg.com
(Aerosport IO-320, Hartzell Constant Speed, AFP fuel injection, 1
Lightspeed
and 1 Mag.)
I've been having a ball this last year flying around the great state of
California. But I have to admit it - I really miss the building ...
yeah, I
know, how messed up is that.
All the best ...
Gerry.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Question |
so... did anyone take Steven up on his offer and try the HID in the wingtip? Hopefully
my QB wings and Fuse should leave Vans in the next couple weeks and I'm
trying to finalize "stuff" to get ordered. I've included the wing tip lights
in the kit but reading the reports tends to make me change back to the duckworths.
That's what I have in the -7A and they've been okay for 500 hours.
Guess I was just looking for the "new"stuff.
Doug
> I am very interested in the shadowing of headlights from the wingtip
> position. i have taken a lot of time and energy to develop and make a direct
> replacement hid kit for the wingtip light position. as a matter of fact i
> just received my stocking order last week (after 6 mo's of delay) and I've
> been testing the product on the bench. the results have been very good. What
> we ended up with was a 50watt 5000k hid lamp and ballast to drop in place
> with no modifications required.
> I'd like to recruit two flying rv10 owners who'd like to get a special deal
> on some hid lights in exchange for some real world feedback on the kit. the
> light output is awesome but if there is any coverage issues i may make a
> fiberglass cowl light as a third. at 3.5 amp each running two or three
> shouldn't pose ant problems from a current standpoint....
> what has the general feeling been about the standard lights mounted in the
> wingtips. this is the first i heard about light coverage (shadowing)
> issues....
>
> Steven dinieri
> IFLYRV10.COM
>
>
--------
Doug
RV7A flying ~500hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151559#151559
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| Subject: | Howdy ! (HAF / Bay Area Flying ... Long) |
Hi Robin and All,
It would be arrogant of me to make any claims about the best flying months
for the Bay Area. The "weather guessers" spend millions, if not billions,
trying to sound like they have a clue, and from my experience, one would
have more success betting on the gee gees.
Having said that ... I'm not going to pass up a chance to expound when
invited :-)
Its a beautful place to fly ... "The Bay Tour" over the Golden Gate, the
Mendocino Coast - Shelter Cover Airport, Clear Lake and Lampson Airport,
Grass Valley/Nevada County Airport (gold country), Truckee, Tahoe and all
the way up north to Mount Shasta, Hollister Muni for sail planes,
Watsonville (Dave Saylor/Aircrafters home base and home to several RVs),
Salinas, Monterey and Cannery Row - some of my personal favorites.
And that's not to mention San Francisco itself - if you're a "foodie" you'll
need to double check your weight & balance before departure ;-). The new De
Young museum, Museum of Modern Art, The Museum of Asian Art, more shopping
than you can shake a stick, SoMa, Twink Peaks, The Castro, Noe Valley, Ocean
Beach.
I love San Francisco .. can you tell ?
HAF is a windy airport, great runway for training, particularly when its a
crosswind. (Runway 12/30 - 150 x 5,000'.) Strong, gusty NNW winds are to
be expected in the afternoons from late spring to early fall (15 Knots maybe
gusting to 25 usually straight down 30). Watch out if strong winds are
blowing out of the east - it will be VERY bumpy in the pattern - give
yourself a good altitude margin on downwind and a good airspeed margin on
short final. Straight-ins will illicit terse remarks from the locals when
its busy - with good reason - its dangerous and a tad rude. (Right traffic
for 30 and left traffic for 12 - over the "Ridge" - for some reason pattern
traffic over the water is discouraged.) I like to fly to the "Golf Ball"
radar station south-west of the field and then enter mid-field overhead.
That way I can see the upwind, downwind and base traffic at my 3 o'clock
with the sun at my 9 o'clock, easy to see what's going on and easy to fly a
360 to the west of the pattern for spacing. If the weather is good on a
weekend the pattern can get very busy - watch out for the old timers,
warbirds and antiques who either don't have radios or think they're a
distraction. If you depart straight out to the north for the "Bay Tour"
watch out for incoming traffic from the north who may not have called in
their position yet - you'll be nose high and headed straight for them.
Norcal 135.10 for departures if you want FF on "The Tour" (advisable if they
can accommodate you.)
Three Zero cafe serves good basic fare at decent prices - kitchen closes at
2 pm. Indoor/outdoor seating overlooking the ramp - kinda cool if the
antiques and warbirds are out strutting their stuff. Bring a jacket, it can
get decidedly cool on the ground. Plenty of ramp space and 100LL self
serve. Park at the south end of the field past the hangars if you're going
to the restaurants close to Mavericks Beach - walking distance. It don't
get any cheaper than Cafe Capestrano - the Mexican Seafood Gumbo/Soup thingy
is damn tasty as are the fish tacos. Mezza Luna for upscale Italian - very
popular for dinner. The others listed on AirNav I haven't eaten at, apart
from the Princeton Seafood Co - I wasn't impressed it was "blah" - but then
I have an experiemental stomach - I want flavor in my food.
Bay Area weather is noted for being changeable - and quickly. Come with a
flexible plan and due consideration for your alternates and options -
particularly if your destination of choice is on the coast.
The summer is characterized by a marine fog layer that can form in less than
10 minutes and cover the coastal airports like HAF, WVI, MRY, etc. down to
zero RVR - seemingly out of nowhere - monitor the temperature/dewpoint
spread along the coast.
(There are a couple of fine restaurants 5 minutes walk south of HAF which
bring the lunch crowd in most weekends - its a hoot to watch them scrambling
to get out mid-afternoon as the fog rolls in from the north. If they'd hung
around for dinner, they'd be surprised to see it roll right back out for a
picture perfect sunset ... or NOT as the case may be ;-) )
In the winter, the cloud can hang over HAF at 600' for weeks on end - and
then again we can have weeks of cold, blue skies and light winds - just
perfect for flying the "Bay Tour". This last year we've been lucky - in
2006 the locals complained bitterly - the cloud just never seemed to shift.
Extreme temperature inversions are common in the summer - from 55 degrees on
the ground at HAF, to 95 degrees at 1,500' just above the pattern - I kid
you not. Great way to shock cool your engine if you're not paying
attention.
All the inland airports - SQL, PAO, RHV, OAK, HWD, LVK tend to be sky clear
and much warmer on a reliable basis - they are correspondingly busier
airports, and surrounded by Bravo airspace. If you want to land, park and
go see the city, SQL and PAO are good options - small GA friendly and
reasonably well served with public transportation. OAK has the advantage
that its easier to get to the BART subway - but, Charlie airspace and you'll
have to cross the often choked bridges into SF if you're renting a car.
Come on down, I'll be glad to take you on "The Tour" :-)
g
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Howdy !
Welcome Gerry,
Maybe you can give a write up (at some point) on flying in and
around Half Moon Bay and the SF bay. I think that area is some of the most
dramatic scenery in the US and must be amazing from the seat of an RV. Any
tips as to the best months etc... to fly and particularly weather patterns
would be appreciated. (at your convenience)
When my -10 is complete I will be taking the family to the Ritz
there. Looks amazing.
BTW great looking -9. 300 hours in 11 months. YIKES! You obviously
need another project.
Robin
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Howdy !
Hi Folks,
Well now I've gone and done it - I sent in my order for an RV-10 empennage
kit.
Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group since I'll likely be bugging you with
inane questions :-)
Live in San Francisco and fly out of Half Moon Bay. I'm a "repeat offender"
having completed my RV-9 in January of this year - she's got 300 hours on
her and I started the first Annual Condition Inspection last night.
http://www.n696wg.com
(Aerosport IO-320, Hartzell Constant Speed, AFP fuel injection, 1 Lightspeed
and 1 Mag.)
I've been having a ball this last year flying around the great state of
California. But I have to admit it - I really miss the building ...
yeah, I
know, how messed up is that.
All the best ...
Gerry.
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Hi Gerry,
Welcome!
There are 2 other builders in the Bay Area that I know about - myself
and Jae Chang - both in San Francisco. I bought an already completed emp
kit from another builder, but then went and bought a house in San
Francisco. This has shelved building for a while as my finances catch
up. Looking forward to purchasing tools and the wing kit in a year or
so. Jae is making good progress I believe.
Simon Barber
Gerry Filby wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Well now I've gone and done it - I sent in my order for an RV-10 empennage
> kit.
>
> Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group since I'll likely be bugging you with
> inane questions :-)
>
> Live in San Francisco and fly out of Half Moon Bay. I'm a "repeat offender"
> having completed my RV-9 in January of this year - she's got 300 hours on
> her and I started the first Annual Condition Inspection last night.
>
> http://www.n696wg.com
> (Aerosport IO-320, Hartzell Constant Speed, AFP fuel injection, 1 Lightspeed
> and 1 Mag.)
>
> I've been having a ball this last year flying around the great state of
> California. But I have to admit it - I really miss the building ... yeah, I
> know, how messed up is that.
>
> All the best ...
>
> Gerry.
>
>
>
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Gerry,
I heard that a -10 was in your future. You're gonna love it.
Dave Saylor
N921AC, 50 hrs, in the paint shop.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Howdy !
Hi Folks,
Well now I've gone and done it - I sent in my order for an RV-10 empennage
kit.
Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group since I'll likely be bugging you with
inane questions :-)
Live in San Francisco and fly out of Half Moon Bay. I'm a "repeat offender"
having completed my RV-9 in January of this year - she's got 300 hours on
her and I started the first Annual Condition Inspection last night.
http://www.n696wg.com
(Aerosport IO-320, Hartzell Constant Speed, AFP fuel injection, 1 Lightspeed
and 1 Mag.)
I've been having a ball this last year flying around the great state of
California. But I have to admit it - I really miss the building ... yeah, I
know, how messed up is that.
All the best ...
Gerry.
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| Subject: | Gretz indicator LEDs |
Merry Christmas everyone,
For those of you with the Gretz pitot, did you install the LED indicator
lights on your panel? What are your thoughts, and how do you like the
Gretz so far?
Also, I am about to close up the wings and install the bottom skins.
Wires, AP servo, tubes for pitot and AOA, pitot mount are in. Anything
else I should consider before I start pounding? Thanks for any input.
Dave Leikam
40496
Preparing for an ice storm!
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| Subject: | Gretz indicator LEDs |
I left them out on the last two installaions. Sort of. On one (GlaStar) I
installed them behind the panel so if we ever wanted to see them we could.
In two years, including some cold weather IFR, we never had any reason to
wonder what heating mode we were in. So on my -10 I left them out all
together.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
N921AC, 50 hrs, in the paint shop
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Gretz indicator LEDs
Merry Christmas everyone,
For those of you with the Gretz pitot, did you install the LED indicator
lights on your panel? What are your thoughts, and how do you like the Gretz
so far?
Also, I am about to close up the wings and install the bottom skins. Wires,
AP servo, tubes for pitot and AOA, pitot mount are in. Anything else I
should consider before I start pounding? Thanks for any input.
Dave Leikam
40496
Preparing for an ice storm!
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