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1. 12:34 AM - Re: Howdy ! (Bill Reining)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: Howdy ! (johngoodman)
3. 07:59 AM - Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
4. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Howdy ! (John Gonzalez)
5. 08:31 AM - Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (Tim Olson)
6. 08:43 AM - Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (Phillips, Jack)
7. 10:38 AM - Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (Robin Marks)
8. 10:49 AM - Re: Howdy ! (Gerry Filby)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: Howdy ! (HAF / Bay Area Flying ... Long) (Jae Chang)
10. 10:55 AM - Re: Howdy ! (Jae Chang)
11. 10:55 AM - Thanks for the Welcome !! (Gerry Filby)
12. 11:00 AM - Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (Dj Merrill)
13. 11:29 AM - Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (Bill DeRouchey)
14. 11:40 AM - Re: Howdy ! (HAF / Bay Area Flying ... Long) (Gerry Filby)
15. 12:48 PM - Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (Phillips, Jack)
16. 02:55 PM - Safety-Trim Group Buy (Bob-tcw)
17. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Garmin 430w/530w version 3.0 software now available (Rob Kermanj)
18. 03:35 PM - Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
19. 03:47 PM - Re: Gretz indicator LEDs (Marcus Cooper)
20. 05:13 PM - AOA Pro vs AOA Sport (n277dl)
21. 05:16 PM - Re: Cost/labor saving ideas (Tom Ganster)
22. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Garmin 430w/530w version 3.0 software now available (William Curtis)
23. 07:37 PM - Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy (Jay Rowe)
24. 08:04 PM - Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy (Tim Olson)
25. 08:11 PM - Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy (Dave Leikam)
26. 09:28 PM - Re: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport (Rick Sked)
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Hello Gerry
Welcome. My son Jon and I are building a -10 in Oakland. He's got a Citabria
at the Oakland airport where we will eventually operate the -10. We are working
on the QB wings, but basically stalled until I finish converting my carport
to a garage. This is a great group - you are going to love it!
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Bill (and Jon) Reining
40514
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Gerry,
Welcome. The first gotcha will be the top rib in the Vertical Stab; you can read
all about it on the forum. The next surprise will be the RV-10 Elevator bucking
bar. You will use it once so see if you can borrow one.
John
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N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
For others that have been flying your RV-10 or other similar ai
rcraft, have you had any luck/experience with Air/Oil Separators?
I found on my RV-10 that if I run the oil between 8.5 and 9 qua
rts, that I would only add maybe 1 quart in 50 hours of operation. I also
found that if I run the engine rpm at 2450 in cruise, that it will blow mor
e oil than if I run at 2200 rpm. I usually use only 1 quart every 50 hours
, but on my trip to Santa Teresa for LOE 07, I used 1 quart in 10 - 12 hour
s. During this trip, I ran the entire way at 2450 rpm. There is no doubt
that it is all coming out the breather.
Has anyone installed an Air/Oil Separator on there RV-10 that h
as some experience on if it works and returns the oil to the sump instead o
f all over the belly? I would like to install one if it is going to work.
Right now oil on the belly is no big deal, but once I get some paint on it
, I would like to keep it clean.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
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THAT BUCKING BAR IS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD FOR USING AS A BACK RIVETING PLATE
FOR THE TAILCONE LONGERONS. SO i USED IT A LOT MORE THAN ONCE, ALSO IN THE
TUNNEL> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Howdy !> From: johngoodman@earthlink.net>
V10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>> > Ge
rry,> Welcome. The first gotcha will be the top rib in the Vertical Stab; y
ou can read all about it on the forum. The next surprise will be the RV-10
Elevator bucking bar. You will use it once so see if you can borrow one.> >
John> > --------> #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived> N711JG reserved> > > >
> Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph
=============> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
Ray,
From everything I've read, there is a problem with not using
enough oil in these engines, so 1 qt in 50 is too low,
according to some, and 1 qt in 10-15 is more like what
you'd hope for. So I'm not sure I'd be too concerned.
Unfounded or not, my concern about the separators is that
all of the acids and things that you're not wanting in
the oil will tend to be dumped back into the engine.
I know there are 2 camps, and some say otherwise, and
I won't argue that, but I guess I just chose to believe
that the stuff coming out the breather (moisture
and caustic acids) is stuff I'd rather just leave
exit the breather.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> For others that have been flying your RV-10 or other similar
> aircraft, have you had any luck/experience with Air/Oil Separators?
>
>
>
> I found on my RV-10 that if I run the oil between 8.5 and 9
> quarts, that I would only add maybe 1 quart in 50 hours of operation. I
> also found that if I run the engine rpm at 2450 in cruise, that it will
> blow more oil than if I run at 2200 rpm. I usually use only 1 quart
> every 50 hours, but on my trip to Santa Teresa for LOE 07, I used 1
> quart in 10 12 hours. During this trip, I ran the entire way at 2450
> rpm. There is no doubt that it is all coming out the breather.
>
>
>
> Has anyone installed an Air/Oil Separator on there RV-10
> that has some experience on if it works and returns the oil to the sump
> instead of all over the belly? I would like to install one if it is
> going to work. Right now oil on the belly is no big deal, but once I
> get some paint on it, I would like to keep it clean.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You
> *Ray Doerr*
> 40250 (N519RV 341 Hrs)
>
> * *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
Hi Ray,
I asked Mike Busch of "The Savvy Aviator" his opinions of air-oil
separators because I was interested in installing one on my RV-10. He
was not very encouraging. When I asked why he didn't like them he said:
Two reasons:
1. The air/oil separator interferes with the engine's ability to purge
itself of water, because it returns liquids to the crankcase instead of
allowing them to pass out the breather.
2. If the engine starts blowing excess oil out the breather (usually due
to excessive blow-by or some other condition that pressurizes the
crankcase), I want to know about it so I can troubleshoot the engine and
find the cause. If an air-oil separator conceals the excess oil
discharge, it isn't doing me any favors.
That's my view. Hope this helps...Mike
My RV-4 routes the crankcase breather line down to just above the
exhaust pipes and any oil that blows out hits the pipes and is vaporized
instantly. It does a pretty good job of keeping the belly clean.
Jack Phillips
#40610
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator
For others that have been flying your RV-10 or other similar
aircraft, have you had any luck/experience with Air/Oil Separators?
I found on my RV-10 that if I run the oil between 8.5 and 9
quarts, that I would only add maybe 1 quart in 50 hours of operation. I
also found that if I run the engine rpm at 2450 in cruise, that it will
blow more oil than if I run at 2200 rpm. I usually use only 1 quart
every 50 hours, but on my trip to Santa Teresa for LOE 07, I used 1
quart in 10 - 12 hours. During this trip, I ran the entire way at 2450
rpm. There is no doubt that it is all coming out the breather.
Has anyone installed an Air/Oil Separator on there RV-10
that has some experience on if it works and returns the oil to the sump
instead of all over the belly? I would like to install one if it is
going to work. Right now oil on the belly is no big deal, but once I
get some paint on it, I would like to keep it clean.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
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| Subject: | Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
Again a topic for which I have minimal knowledge but will speak up
anyway.
On mu 6A the builder installed an Air/Oil Separator in a slightly less
usual configuration that solves Tim's concerns. The 6A has the ACS
Homebuilders Oil Separator ($42.60) with three connections the Inlet
(self explanatory) the Return and the Outlet. The outlet is flex tube
plumbed to a S/S tube mounted very near the exhaust (typical
configuration for many experimental). The Return line however is not
returned to the sump but rather plumbed to a tube with a plug in the
end. Basically a self contained reservoir. At the end of most flights I
stick my hand thru the oil access door, pull the tube off and drain the
oil into an old oil container. The key is doing this before the engine
cools down and the tube is much harder to get off and even harder to put
back on when cool. The tube used on my plane is pretty narrow and only
holds about 90 minutes of "blow by" oil. When I drain it I would guess
it's less than 2 tablespoons worth. This amount varies mostly with the
amount of oil in the sump. This summer I may trim the tip of the tube
and replace it with a "bulb" to hold more oil. I have heard of builders
mounting collection cans on the firewall to hold enough "blow by" to
take them thru oil changes. In my case that would be 25 hours = 50
Tablespoons of oil.
I am not making any claims as to if this is a good idea or not but it
does prevent the moisture & acids from reentering the engine. I can't
see where it could be bad.
As far as oil on the belly my 6A does stay pretty clean but I cruise at
21.5/2350.
Again on my smaller O-360 I use about 1 quart every 20 hours including
the oil I dump after each flight.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil
Separator
Ray,
From everything I've read, there is a problem with not using
enough oil in these engines, so 1 qt in 50 is too low,
according to some, and 1 qt in 10-15 is more like what
you'd hope for. So I'm not sure I'd be too concerned.
Unfounded or not, my concern about the separators is that
all of the acids and things that you're not wanting in
the oil will tend to be dumped back into the engine.
I know there are 2 camps, and some say otherwise, and
I won't argue that, but I guess I just chose to believe
that the stuff coming out the breather (moisture
and caustic acids) is stuff I'd rather just leave
exit the breather.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> For others that have been flying your RV-10 or other
similar
> aircraft, have you had any luck/experience with Air/Oil Separators?
>
>
>
> I found on my RV-10 that if I run the oil between 8.5 and
9
> quarts, that I would only add maybe 1 quart in 50 hours of operation.
I
> also found that if I run the engine rpm at 2450 in cruise, that it
will
> blow more oil than if I run at 2200 rpm. I usually use only 1 quart
> every 50 hours, but on my trip to Santa Teresa for LOE 07, I used 1
> quart in 10 - 12 hours. During this trip, I ran the entire way at
2450
> rpm. There is no doubt that it is all coming out the breather.
>
>
>
> Has anyone installed an Air/Oil Separator on there RV-10
> that has some experience on if it works and returns the oil to the
sump
> instead of all over the belly? I would like to install one if it is
> going to work. Right now oil on the belly is no big deal, but once I
> get some paint on it, I would like to keep it clean.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You
> *Ray Doerr*
> 40250 (N519RV - 341 Hrs)
>
> * *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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I've stopped by Jae's project a couple of times - he's moving right along
...
g
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Barber
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Howdy !
Hi Gerry,
Welcome!
There are 2 other builders in the Bay Area that I know about - myself and
Jae Chang - both in San Francisco. I bought an already completed emp kit
from another builder, but then went and bought a house in San Francisco.
This has shelved building for a while as my finances catch up. Looking
forward to purchasing tools and the wing kit in a year or so. Jae is making
good progress I believe.
Simon Barber
Gerry Filby wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Well now I've gone and done it - I sent in my order for an RV-10
> empennage kit.
>
> Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group since I'll likely be bugging you
> with inane questions :-)
>
> Live in San Francisco and fly out of Half Moon Bay. I'm a "repeat
offender"
> having completed my RV-9 in January of this year - she's got 300 hours
> on her and I started the first Annual Condition Inspection last night.
>
> http://www.n696wg.com
> (Aerosport IO-320, Hartzell Constant Speed, AFP fuel injection, 1
> Lightspeed and 1 Mag.)
>
> I've been having a ball this last year flying around the great state
> of California. But I have to admit it - I really miss the building
> ... yeah, I know, how messed up is that.
>
> All the best ...
>
> Gerry.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Howdy ! (HAF / Bay Area Flying ... Long) |
Hey Gerry... excellent post! a year ago, when you told me you were going
to build a -10 (even before finishing the -9), I thought to myself yeah
right. a few months after your first flight, when you had already put
over 150 hours in the plane, and you said you were still planning to
build again, i again thought to myself, yeah right. you're too busy
flying, as i would be too, to ever think about building anything more
than a paper airplane.
wow, you truly are crazy, ummm, in a most respectful way! ;) uhoh, now i
just have to finish before you do!!!
Jae
40533 - finally, entered the Gates of Fiberglass Hell - credit goes to
AirMike for coining that phrase
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/airframe/fuselage/photos/sec43/index.html
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Hi Simon... yes, i am still here, poking along. you are welcome to stop
by any time.
There are a good handful of bay area -10 builders at this point, that i
know of, and more in all of NorCal: Concord, Oakland, SF, Sonoma
,Watsonville (x3), Stockton, Cameron Park (x2). At this point, we
officially have enough for a party. ;)
Jae
40533
>
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| Subject: | Thanks for the Welcome !! |
Thanks all for the greetings and tips I've received on and off list. Much
appreciated !
Now back to cleaning the rust of the tools :-)
g
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Unfounded or not, my concern about the separators is that
> all of the acids and things that you're not wanting in
> the oil will tend to be dumped back into the engine.
On my Glasair (Lyc O320) instead of letting it go out the belly or
dumping it back into the engine, the blow-by was captured in a container
that was emptied at each oil change. The breather hose went to the top
of the screw-on cap of the container, and there were vent holes cut
around it in the cap for the air to escape. I don't have a great
picture of it, but you can see it here in the bottom right up against
the firewall (the small white container). Simple concept, but it did a
great job of keeping things cleaner.
http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/glasair/engine2.jpg
This picture was taken prior to the restoration and clean-up, so
things look pretty dirty, but it is the only pic I can find at the moment.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
I purchased a nice, expensive oil/air filter for my Archer and the belly oil only
reduced slighty. So slight that I was wondering if I just wanted to see a reduction
to justify the purchase. So ... I am currently in the negative regarding
their purchase.
My RV-10 burns 1 qt every 13-15 hours. The oil level is kept at 11 quarts and
I am always cruising at 2300 or less. I have not noticed the widely stated fact
that oil will burn faster if it is kept high. I am not a neat freak nor a slackard
and first cleaned the belly at 125 hours.
It is my belief that the best approach to a clean belly is to install the breather
exit directly onto the exhaust pipe at the intersection of the firewall
before the pipe dips down into the airflow. My breather exit is 3/8" above the
exhaust pipe. It has the additional feature of heating the breather to eliminate
ice and the negative of increasing the fire hazard.
Of course, there will be a discussion regarding adding oil onto a hot tube as
a hazard but with the little oil and massive airflow I have not seen any evidence
of a problem. Others may disagree.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
Ray,
>From everything I've read, there is a problem with not using
enough oil in these engines, so 1 qt in 50 is too low,
according to some, and 1 qt in 10-15 is more like what
you'd hope for. So I'm not sure I'd be too concerned.
Unfounded or not, my concern about the separators is that
all of the acids and things that you're not wanting in
the oil will tend to be dumped back into the engine.
I know there are 2 camps, and some say otherwise, and
I won't argue that, but I guess I just chose to believe
that the stuff coming out the breather (moisture
and caustic acids) is stuff I'd rather just leave
exit the breather.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> For others that have been flying your RV-10 or other similar
> aircraft, have you had any luck/experience with Air/Oil Separators?
>
>
>
> I found on my RV-10 that if I run the oil between 8.5 and 9
> quarts, that I would only add maybe 1 quart in 50 hours of operation. I
> also found that if I run the engine rpm at 2450 in cruise, that it will
> blow more oil than if I run at 2200 rpm. I usually use only 1 quart
> every 50 hours, but on my trip to Santa Teresa for LOE 07, I used 1
> quart in 10 12 hours. During this trip, I ran the entire way at 2450
> rpm. There is no doubt that it is all coming out the breather.
>
>
>
> Has anyone installed an Air/Oil Separator on there RV-10
> that has some experience on if it works and returns the oil to the sump
> instead of all over the belly? I would like to install one if it is
> going to work. Right now oil on the belly is no big deal, but once I
> get some paint on it, I would like to keep it clean.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You
> *Ray Doerr*
> 40250 (N519RV 341 Hrs)
>
> * *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Howdy ! (HAF / Bay Area Flying ... Long) |
Its a long, convoluted journey from ordering the tail kit to "lighting the
fires" as, no doubt, you know. I'm mindful of the fact that one motivator
is now removed - I already have a plane to fly.
We'll see ...
g
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Howdy ! (HAF / Bay Area Flying ... Long)
Hey Gerry... excellent post! a year ago, when you told me you were going to
build a -10 (even before finishing the -9), I thought to myself yeah right.
a few months after your first flight, when you had already put over 150
hours in the plane, and you said you were still planning to build again, i
again thought to myself, yeah right. you're too busy flying, as i would be
too, to ever think about building anything more than a paper airplane.
wow, you truly are crazy, ummm, in a most respectful way! ;) uhoh, now i
just have to finish before you do!!!
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| Subject: | Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
As I said before, my RV-4 uses this same technique (discharging the
breather just above the exhaust pipes near the firewall. Here's a
picture showing its belly - not scrupulously clean, but considering it
hasn't been painted in 20 years, it looks pretty good:
Jack Phillips
#40610
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
DeRouchey
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil
Separator
I purchased a nice, expensive oil/air filter for my Archer and the belly
oil only reduced slighty. So slight that I was wondering if I just
wanted to see a reduction to justify the purchase. So ... I am
currently in the negative regarding their purchase.
My RV-10 burns 1 qt every 13-15 hours. The oil level is kept at 11
quarts and I am always cruising at 2300 or less. I have not noticed the
widely stated fact that oil will burn faster if it is kept high. I am
not a neat freak nor a slackard and first cleaned the belly at 125
hours.
It is my belief that the best approach to a clean belly is to install
the breather exit directly onto the exhaust pipe at the intersection of
the firewall before the pipe dips down into the airflow. My breather
exit is 3/8" above the exhaust pipe. It has the additional feature of
heating the breather to eliminate ice and the negative of increasing the
fire hazard.
Of course, there will be a discussion regarding adding oil onto a hot
tube as a hazard but with the little oil and massive airflow I have not
seen any evidence of a problem. Others may disagree.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
Ray,
From everything I've read, there is a problem with not using
enough oil in these engines, so 1 qt in 50 is too low,
according to some, and 1 qt in 10-15 is more like what
you'd hope for. So I'm not sure I'd be too concerned.
Unfounded or not, my concern about the separators is that
all of the acids and things that you're not wanting in
the oil will tend to be dumped back into the engine.
I know there are 2 camps, and some say otherwise, and
I won't argue that, but I guess I just chose to believe
that the stuff coming out the breather (moisture
and caustic acids) is stuff I'd rather just leave
exit the breather.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> For others that have been flying your RV-10 or other similar
> aircraft, have you had any luck/experience with Air/Oil
Separators?
>
>
>
> I found on my RV-10 that if I run the oil between 8.5 and 9
> quarts, that I would only add maybe 1 quart in 50 hours of
operation. I
> also found that if I run the engine rpm at 2450 in cruise,
that it will
> blow more oil than if I run at 2200 rpm. I usually use only 1
quart
> every 50 hours, but on my trip to Santa Teresa for LOE 07, I
used 1
> quart in 10 - 12 hours. During this trip, I ran the entire way
at 2450
> rpm. There
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| Subject: | Safety-Trim Group Buy |
Dear Fellow RV Builders,
TCW Technologies and SteinAir are pleased to announce a group
buy is now available on our new servo trim controller. Safety-Trim is
an electronic trim servo controller that resolves the issues with
run-away trim conditions plus it provides 2 speed trim operation as well
as greatly simplified switch wiring.
For all the detail please follow this direct link:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478
Thank you,
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Garmin 430w/530w version 3.0 software now available |
Thanks for the post. I have scheduled mine for update. Wonder why I
have not been contacted by Garmin or my dealer!
Rob.
Do not archive.
On Dec 8, 2007, at 10:39 AM, William Curtis wrote:
>
> For those that have Garmin 430w/530w navigators, version 3.0
> software release (SB 07040 rev A) is now available.
>
>
> RE: New Garmin V 3.0 Software release. Service Bulletin N0. 0740 Rev
> A Garmin has released two new software updates for 400W and 500W
> series units (i.e. 400W, 420W, 430W, 500W, 530W, ect).
>
> These software updates are for the GPS sub assemble and for the main
> processor sub assembly. These updates can be performed by Garmin
> dealers in the field and should take about 1 hour to complete. Along
> with the new software update you will receive a new POH supplement.
>
> This is a no charge update and Garmin has marked this update as
> Mandatory. Here is a list of the changes the new update will address:
>
> . Added the ability to load an arrival or departure without first
> removing existing arrival or departure, addressing the issue
> described in Service Alert 070227-00
> . Corrected compatibility issue with WX500 Storm scope identified in
> Installation Bulletin 0711
> . Reduced TAWS nuisance alerts for circling approaches
> . Added ability to store and remotely tune up to 15 radio channels
> . Added XM weather products: Lightning, Cell Movement, and Winds Aloft
> . Added compatibility with Avidyne product's: EXP5000 PFD, EX5000
> MFD and EX500 MFD
> . Added capability to display vertical GPS approach guidance on
> Honeywell EFS 40/50
> . Added capability to display traffic from Honeywell KMH 980 (KMH
> 920) and KTA 970 (KTA 910)
> . Improved prompting for course reversals at IAF transitions on
> approach
> . Improved Auto-Zoom functionality
> . Improved VNAV functionality during holds
> . Corrected the operation of the E6B winds aloft calculation on
> Winds page
> . Unit now retains user settings on NAV1 page over a power cycle
> (400W series units)
> . Unit now starts up in last mode used (GPS or VLOC) instead of
> reverting to GPS mode at startup
> . Corrected issue of intermittent screen flashing
>
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
I used the Slime Fighter air/oil separator initially. The belly of my RV-10
was a oily mess when I cleaned it at about 70 hours, despite the fact that t
he
oil vent drips directly on the exhaust. I've since removed the separator an
d
now have the breather set up per Van's firewall forward plans. The belly
stays much cleaner now.
-Jim
N312JE
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
In a message dated 12/11/2007 11:01:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com writes:
For others that have been flying your RV-10 or other similar aircraft, have
you had any luck/experience with Air/Oil Separators?
I found on my RV-10 that if I run the oil between 8.5 and 9 quarts, that I
would only add maybe 1 quart in 50 hours of operation. I also found that i
f I
run the engine rpm at 2450 in cruise, that it will blow more oil than if I
run at 2200 rpm. I usually use only 1 quart every 50 hours, but on my trip
to
Santa Teresa for LOE 07, I used 1 quart in 10 =93 12 hours. During t
his trip,
I ran the entire way at 2450 rpm. There is no doubt that it is all coming
out the breather.
Has anyone installed an Air/Oil Separator on there RV-10 that has some
experience on if it works and returns the oil to the sump instead of all ove
r the
belly? I would like to install one if it is going to work. Right now oil
on
the belly is no big deal, but_ once I get some paint on it, I would like to
keep it clean.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV =93 341 Hrs)
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| Subject: | Gretz indicator LEDs |
I put them in my panel next to the pitot heat switch. I guess it's a warm
fuzzy seeing the system change modes as you expect it to.
Marcus
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Gretz indicator LEDs
Merry Christmas everyone,
For those of you with the Gretz pitot, did you install the LED indicator
lights on your panel? What are your thoughts, and how do you like the Gretz
so far?
Also, I am about to close up the wings and install the bottom skins. Wires,
AP servo, tubes for pitot and AOA, pitot mount are in. Anything else I
should consider before I start pounding? Thanks for any input.
Dave Leikam
40496
Preparing for an ice storm!
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| Subject: | AOA Pro vs AOA Sport |
Group:
is the only difference in the pro vs sport the display?
Doug
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| Subject: | Cost/labor saving ideas |
John,
I just tap the trigger which gives about 2 hits and works
well.
I must have put the dies in upside down for the picture. Or
maybe I should check to see if the dimples on my parts are all innies!
I put the dies out to the edge to facilitate getting the prebent (HS)
skins
under the table when dimpling the opposite side.
And yes I do have all surfaces covered to keep from
scratching
things.
Thanks for the input. And I will take your words of wisdom on cost
cutting.
Thanks
Tom Ganster 40778 Emp kit HS
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost/labor saving ideas
Very interesting set up you have for your C frame.
How do you get your rivet gun to convert from an automatic to a single
fire?
It looks like you have your dies in upside down, with them that way, you
will be missing a lot of holes and making some unwanted ones. I think it
would be helpful to also make your table extended out beyond where the
dies
are to help support the material. Don't forget to put down the carpet on
the
table.
Be certain you know where and when to cut corners on cost.
Am I the fish that took the bait?
> Subject: RV10-List: Cost/labor saving ideas
> From: tganster@mwwb.net
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:07:07 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I am interested in starting a thread showing cost saving ideas you
have
found while building your plane. I found two ideas from other RV
builders
while searching the web. I am a fairly new builder and I apologize if
these
are old hat.
> Rather than spending the money on alodine by the gallon and the hazard
shipping to go with it, I purchase 2 lbs. 14-2 iridite from a local
racing
supply house for $59.00. The dry powder mixes with water to make up to
40
gals. of alodine.
> I also built a c-frame dimpler from some scrap I had laying around the
shop. I mounted my rivet gun to the top of the piston for a very
efficient
way of dimpling skins. It really works quite well. See attachment.
> Please add your cost/labor savers to the list.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151235#151235
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Garmin 430w/530w version 3.0 software now available |
Yeah, I couldn't find it on the Garmin site but I got it from my dealer, Penn Avionics
http://pennavionics.com/Garmin%20V30%20update.pdf
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> Thanks for the post. I have scheduled mine for update. Wonder why I
> have not been contacted by Garmin or my dealer!
>
> Rob.
> Do not archive.
>
> On Dec 8, 2007, at 10:39 AM, William Curtis wrote:
>
> >
> > For those that have Garmin 430w/530w navigators, version 3.0
> > software release (SB 07040 rev A) is now available.
> >
> >
> > RE: New Garmin V 3.0 Software release. Service Bulletin N0. 0740 Rev
> > A Garmin has released two new software updates for 400W and 500W
> > series units (i.e. 400W, 420W, 430W, 500W, 530W, ect).
> >
> > These software updates are for the GPS sub assemble and for the main
> > processor sub assembly. These updates can be performed by Garmin
> > dealers in the field and should take about 1 hour to complete. Along
> > with the new software update you will receive a new POH supplement.
> >
> > This is a no charge update and Garmin has marked this update as
> > Mandatory. Here is a list of the changes the new update will address:
> >
> > . Added the ability to load an arrival or departure without first
> > removing existing arrival or departure, addressing the issue
> > described in Service Alert 070227-00
> > . Corrected compatibility issue with WX500 Storm scope identified in
> > Installation Bulletin 0711
> > . Reduced TAWS nuisance alerts for circling approaches
> > . Added ability to store and remotely tune up to 15 radio channels
> > . Added XM weather products: Lightning, Cell Movement, and Winds Aloft
> > . Added compatibility with Avidyne product's: EXP5000 PFD, EX5000
> > MFD and EX500 MFD
> > . Added capability to display vertical GPS approach guidance on
> > Honeywell EFS 40/50
> > . Added capability to display traffic from Honeywell KMH 980 (KMH
> > 920) and KTA 970 (KTA 910)
> > . Improved prompting for course reversals at IAF transitions on
> > approach
> > . Improved Auto-Zoom functionality
> > . Improved VNAV functionality during holds
> > . Corrected the operation of the E6B winds aloft calculation on
> > Winds page
> > . Unit now retains user settings on NAV1 page over a power cycle
> > (400W series units)
> > . Unit now starts up in last mode used (GPS or VLOC) instead of
> > reverting to GPS mode at startup
> > . Corrected issue of intermittent screen flashing
> >
> >
> > William
> > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy |
Bob and or Stein: Sign me up for the two axis model. Jay Rowe #40301
jfrjr@roadrunner.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob-tcw
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Dear Fellow RV Builders,
TCW Technologies and SteinAir are pleased to announce a
group buy is now available on our new servo trim controller.
Safety-Trim is an electronic trim servo controller that resolves the
issues with run-away trim conditions plus it provides 2 speed trim
operation as well as greatly simplified switch wiring.
For all the detail please follow this direct link:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478
Thank you,
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
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| Subject: | Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy |
Jay (and others) you may want to just go use the VAF link that Bob gave,
because I don't think Stein wanted to run a tally on 2 forums. That way
he can count you over on that list. I know, it's clumsy, but I have a
feeling that if you just post it here, you'll get lost in the process.
For the RV-10 people, I do have an offhand comment that I can't quote
first hand, but, I did hear that at least someone at Vans commented that
while the other RV's are do-able with full runaway trim, the -10 is
a notable different animal, and they know that. So for those who are
just operating under the assumption that it's designed in such a way
that full trim won't cause major fly-ability issues, you may actually
want to ask them about their thoughts. Not sure what answer you'd
get by asking, as what I heard was somewhat indirect.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jay Rowe wrote:
>
> Bob and or Stein: Sign me up for the two axis model. Jay Rowe
> #40301 jfrjr@roadrunner.com <mailto:jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:54 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy
>
> Dear Fellow RV Builders,
>
> TCW Technologies and SteinAir are pleased to announce
> a group buy is now available on our new servo trim
> controller. Safety-Trim is an electronic trim servo
> controller that resolves the issues with run-away trim
> conditions plus it provides 2 speed trim operation as well as
> greatly simplified switch wiring.
>
> For all the detail please follow this direct link:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478
>
>
> Thank you,
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies
> www.tcwtech.com
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I'm in for a two axis model.
Dave Leikam
40496
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Rowe
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Bob and or Stein: Sign me up for the two axis model. Jay Rowe
#40301 jfrjr@roadrunner.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob-tcw
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy
Dear Fellow RV Builders,
TCW Technologies and SteinAir are pleased to announce a
group buy is now available on our new servo trim controller.
Safety-Trim is an electronic trim servo controller that resolves the
issues with run-away trim conditions plus it provides 2 speed trim
operation as well as greatly simplified switch wiring.
For all the detail please follow this direct link:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=24478
Thank you,
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
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| Subject: | Re: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport |
As far as I know the only difference is the display, but then I have the 3500 EFIS
so I get the pro display and audio that comes with that system. Drop Rob Hickman
an email ot go to the AFS forum to confirm.The wing kit is identical for
all three versions.
Rick S.
40185
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Subject: RV10-List: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport
Group:
is the only difference in the pro vs sport the display?
Doug
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RV7A flying ~500hrs
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