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1. 04:07 AM - Question regarding wing root nut plate (Patrick ONeill)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 05:32 AM - Re: Question regarding wing root nut plate (Dave Leikam)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport (Bill Schlatterer)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy (Tim Olson)
6. 06:13 AM - Re: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport (Bob Leffler)
7. 10:18 AM - Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy (John Jessen)
8. 12:16 PM - Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator (tintopranch)
9. 01:47 PM - Re: Question regarding wing root nut plate (Patrick ONeill)
10. 06:44 PM - FWF wiring (Jay Rowe)
11. 07:11 PM - Re: FWF wiring (Bob-tcw)
12. 08:51 PM - Re: FWF wiring (Jay Rowe)
13. 09:20 PM - DSC_2313.JPG (Jesse Saint)
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| Subject: | Question regarding wing root nut plate |
While trying to finish up some of the odd ball QB items remaining to be
done, I ran into a question.
I'm doing the top side nut plates which receive the screws when attaching
the wing root fairing are attached. The forward nut plates all go through
the wing walk doubler and are countersunk. The aft most nut plate #19 hole
is dimpled. I do not see mention of the preparation of the rivet holes for
this nut plate. Should this nut plate be riveted at the same time as the
rest, or is it dealt with later in the plans? If now, are the rivet holes
dimpled and the nut plate dimpled as well or is this prepared differently?
My apologies if I've missed the step in the plans. I've gone through it a
few times already and decided to ask the list for guidance before reading it
again and reviewing the future steps.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715/N690CT
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| Subject: | Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy |
In response to Tim's post on a runaway trim issue. When I replaced the
Ray Allen trims recently I had a runaway elevator trim on my first
flight after install. I can attest that a runaway trim is not a fun
deal, even if you're from TX :>} It ran away so fast there was no time
to disconnect it. What happened was I was on climb out and the minute I
hit the up trim the servo went to full stops up. I normally indicate
about 2 or 3 on my elev trim indicator on climb out and it went to 22.
I had to hold full force pushing the stick forward to keep the plane
from trying to go straight up. It took a pretty strong push to hold the
stick forward, in fact I told the person in the right seat to put his
hand on the stick lightly just in case my arm got too tired. The next
issue I was faced with was how the hell am I going to flair this thing
on landing. As I slowed the plane for landing the control forces let up
somewhat, because of the speed reduction, but I still had to keep
forward force on the stick until the last minute and I released a little
to land. Luckily that landing method worked.
I'm not sure a small woman would have been able to hold the forward
force necessary in this situation. Boy I can only imagine what a runaway
aileron trim would take to control.
We ended up replacing the elev trim servo and have had no more problems.
Ray Allen said it wasn't their trim that caused the problem but maybe
how we wired it. I'm not positive what caused it but if you were Ray
Allen what would you say? I think we wired it the same the second time.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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| Subject: | Re: Question regarding wing root nut plate |
If you are talking about the upper aft nut plate, I riveted it at the time
and dimpled all the holes.
Dave Leikam
40496
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Question regarding wing root nut plate
>
> While trying to finish up some of the odd ball QB items remaining to be
> done, I ran into a question.
>
> I'm doing the top side nut plates which receive the screws when attaching
> the wing root fairing are attached. The forward nut plates all go through
> the wing walk doubler and are countersunk. The aft most nut plate #19
> hole
> is dimpled. I do not see mention of the preparation of the rivet holes
> for
> this nut plate. Should this nut plate be riveted at the same time as the
> rest, or is it dealt with later in the plans? If now, are the rivet holes
> dimpled and the nut plate dimpled as well or is this prepared differently?
>
> My apologies if I've missed the step in the plans. I've gone through it a
> few times already and decided to ask the list for guidance before reading
> it
> again and reviewing the future steps.
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick #40715/N690CT
>
>
>
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| Subject: | AOA Pro vs AOA Sport |
Where is the AFS forum?
Bill S
7a
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport
As far as I know the only difference is the display, but then I have the
3500 EFIS so I get the pro display and audio that comes with that system.
Drop Rob Hickman an email ot go to the AFS forum to confirm.The wing kit is
identical for all three versions.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:12:56 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: RV10-List: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport
Group:
is the only difference in the pro vs sport the display?
Doug
--------
Doug
RV7A flying ~500hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151766#151766
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| Subject: | Re: Safety-Trim Group Buy |
I don't think that runaway aileron trim would be nearly the
problem on the -10, as it's not controlling a trim tab...just
biasing a spring. I think you could run your aileron trim
out full and have it be a non-event. If you built a trim-tab
type aileron trim though, then that could get pretty scary
I'm sure. Also, with Van's spring-bias system, the aileron
trim isn't very quick, so I wouldn't speed limit that axis
because it just isn't necessary.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> In response to Tim's post on a runaway trim issue. When I replaced the
> Ray Allen trims recently I had a runaway elevator trim on my first
> flight after install. I can attest that a runaway trim is not a fun
> deal, even if you're from TX :>} It ran away so fast there was no time
> to disconnect it. What happened was I was on climb out and the minute I
> hit the up trim the servo went to full stops up. I normally indicate
> about 2 or 3 on my elev trim indicator on climb out and it went to 22.
>
> I had to hold full force pushing the stick forward to keep the plane
> from trying to go straight up. It took a pretty strong push to hold the
> stick forward, in fact I told the person in the right seat to put his
> hand on the stick lightly just in case my arm got too tired. The next
> issue I was faced with was how the hell am I going to flair this thing
> on landing. As I slowed the plane for landing the control forces let up
> somewhat, because of the speed reduction, but I still had to keep
> forward force on the stick until the last minute and I released a little
> to land. Luckily that landing method worked.
>
> I'm not sure a small woman would have been able to hold the forward
> force necessary in this situation. Boy I can only imagine what a runaway
> aileron trim would take to control.
>
> We ended up replacing the elev trim servo and have had no more problems.
> Ray Allen said it wasn't their trim that caused the problem but maybe
> how we wired it. I'm not positive what caused it but if you were Ray
> Allen what would you say? I think we wired it the same the second time.
>
> Wayne Edgerton N602WT
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | AOA Pro vs AOA Sport |
http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/forum/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schlatterer
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport
<billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Where is the AFS forum?
Bill S
7a
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport
As far as I know the only difference is the display, but then I have the
3500 EFIS so I get the pro display and audio that comes with that system.
Drop Rob Hickman an email ot go to the AFS forum to confirm.The wing kit is
identical for all three versions.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:12:56 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: RV10-List: AOA Pro vs AOA Sport
Group:
is the only difference in the pro vs sport the display?
Doug
--------
Doug
RV7A flying ~500hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151766#151766
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| Subject: | Safety-Trim Group Buy |
What trim servo did you end up with. Was it a replaced Ray Allen?
John J
40328
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Safety-Trim Group Buy
In response to Tim's post on a runaway trim issue. When I replaced the Ray
Allen trims recently I had a runaway elevator trim on my first flight after
install. I can attest that a runaway trim is not a fun deal, even if you're
from TX :>} It ran away so fast there was no time to disconnect it. What
happened was I was on climb out and the minute I hit the up trim the servo
went to full stops up. I normally indicate about 2 or 3 on my elev trim
indicator on climb out and it went to 22.
I had to hold full force pushing the stick forward to keep the plane from
trying to go straight up. It took a pretty strong push to hold the stick
forward, in fact I told the person in the right seat to put his hand on the
stick lightly just in case my arm got too tired. The next issue I was faced
with was how the hell am I going to flair this thing on landing. As I slowed
the plane for landing the control forces let up somewhat, because of the
speed reduction, but I still had to keep forward force on the stick until
the last minute and I released a little to land. Luckily that landing method
worked.
I'm not sure a small woman would have been able to hold the forward force
necessary in this situation. Boy I can only imagine what a runaway aileron
trim would take to control.
We ended up replacing the elev trim servo and have had no more problems. Ray
Allen said it wasn't their trim that caused the problem but maybe how we
wired it. I'm not positive what caused it but if you were Ray Allen what
would you say? I think we wired it the same the second time.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to keep the belly clean - Air/Oil Separator |
I have a new Mattituck 540 and had the same issue. I installed Van's air/oil seperator
and have been very happy with the results. I have about 45hrs on the
seperator and 95 on the engine so far. I had a wolf seperator on my bonanza
for years with good results. I have noticed that the oil does seem to be more
dirty with the seperator than without. But since I can run more oil in the engine
and I change the oil every 50hrs I do not see a problem with it.
--------
MARK SUTHERLAND
RV-10 40292
Flying since June 07
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151870#151870
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| Subject: | Question regarding wing root nut plate |
Yup. That's the one. Thanks Dave!
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715/N690CT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Question regarding wing root nut plate
If you are talking about the upper aft nut plate, I riveted it at the time
and dimpled all the holes.
Dave Leikam
40496
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Question regarding wing root nut plate
>
> While trying to finish up some of the odd ball QB items remaining to be
> done, I ran into a question.
>
> I'm doing the top side nut plates which receive the screws when attaching
> the wing root fairing are attached. The forward nut plates all go through
> the wing walk doubler and are countersunk. The aft most nut plate #19
> hole
> is dimpled. I do not see mention of the preparation of the rivet holes
> for
> this nut plate. Should this nut plate be riveted at the same time as the
> rest, or is it dealt with later in the plans? If now, are the rivet holes
> dimpled and the nut plate dimpled as well or is this prepared differently?
>
> My apologies if I've missed the step in the plans. I've gone through it a
> few times already and decided to ask the list for guidance before reading
> it
> again and reviewing the future steps.
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick #40715/N690CT
>
>
>
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Need advice on wire runs in the engine area. Is it okay to run the
CHT/EGT wires in the same bundle as the lower plug wires as they run
aft? How does one attach that bundle/bundles----with Adel clamps to a
rocker cover screw, or something else? Can all the CHT/EGT lines run
thru the firewall at the same location? Any and all advice/pictures
welcomed. Jay Rowe (about to finish FWF) 40301
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Jay, I'm not as far on my -10, However, In our Glastar all CHT and
EGT cables are bundled together with the lower spark plug wires and run
aft together to the magnetos, then the cht/egt bundle runs with some
other wires together thru the firewall. 8 years running with no
issues.
-Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Rowe
To: RV10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FWF wiring
Need advice on wire runs in the engine area. Is it okay to run the
CHT/EGT wires in the same bundle as the lower plug wires as they run
aft? How does one attach that bundle/bundles----with Adel clamps to a
rocker cover screw, or something else? Can all the CHT/EGT lines run
thru the firewall at the same location? Any and all advice/pictures
welcomed. Jay Rowe (about to finish FWF) 40301
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Thanks Bob, I'll follow your lead. Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob-tcw
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FWF wiring
Jay, I'm not as far on my -10, However, In our Glastar all CHT
and EGT cables are bundled together with the lower spark plug wires and
run aft together to the magnetos, then the cht/egt bundle runs with some
other wires together thru the firewall. 8 years running with no
issues.
-Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Rowe
To: RV10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FWF wiring
Need advice on wire runs in the engine area. Is it okay to run
the CHT/EGT wires in the same bundle as the lower plug wires as they run
aft? How does one attach that bundle/bundles----with Adel clamps to a
rocker cover screw, or something else? Can all the CHT/EGT lines run
thru the firewall at the same location? Any and all advice/pictures
welcomed. Jay Rowe (about to finish FWF) 40301
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Well, N256H is finally out of the paint shop and should be back in the
air tomorrow or Friday. For those who've seen it in the past, you
know how big of an improvement this is.
Oh, we should have some preliminary numbers on the wing root fairings
by the weekend. As you can see, they're not installed here yet.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
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