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1. 04:15 AM - NACA Vents (Bob Leffler)
2. 05:38 AM - Re: Safety-Trim Group BuySafety-Trim Group Buy (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: NACA Vents (Fred Williams, M.D.)
4. 07:47 AM - Re: NACA Vents (Bob Leffler)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: NACA Vents (Fred Williams, M.D.)
6. 09:17 AM - Re: NACA Vents (John Gonzalez)
7. 01:03 PM - Re: NACA Vents (Robin Marks)
8. 03:02 PM - Van's cowl vs James cowl (John Gonzalez)
9. 03:13 PM - Re:Drive (BELTEDAIR@aol.com)
10. 03:24 PM - Re: NACA Vents (Ben Westfall)
11. 03:39 PM - Re: Van's cowl vs James cowl (Ben Westfall)
12. 04:39 PM - Re: Van's cowl vs James cowl (Eric_Kallio)
13. 06:00 PM - Re: NACA Vents (Bob Leffler)
14. 06:15 PM - Height of Fuse stand (n277dl)
15. 09:25 PM - Alternative engines (Dave Leikam)
16. 10:53 PM - Re: Alternative engines (Gerry Filby)
17. 11:41 PM - Re: Height of Fuse stand (Robert Wright)
18. 11:55 PM - Re: Alternative engines (Patrick ONeill)
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I'm just finishing up my tailcone with wings coming in January.
For those that have use a NACA vent to provide an air inlet for the overhead
console, would you recommend installing them at this stage. My assumption
is that it would be much easy cutting the holes prior to riveting the
tailcone together.
My second question is has there been consensus on the best local to place
the vents yet?
I'm also just starting to start looking at NACA sources. Van's has one for
$6.25 and ACS has several, but all are over $30. I was caught off guard
by the price differences. There can't be that much difference in quality.
Thanks,
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Safety-Trim Group BuySafety-Trim Group Buy |
Yes it was a replacement from Ray Allen.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
What trim servo did you end up with. Was it a replaced Ray Allen?
John J
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Bob:
I bought the ones from Vans'. Order them when you need something else. I
waited until I had the top on to cut the holes. Made up a template of
the NACA hole before I installed the forward vents. Then just traced it
on the skin and used a nibbler to remove the majority of the aluminum.
File to do the rest. I placed the front of the vent 10 inches behind the
rivet line of the bulkhead, centered in between the longerons. No
science involved. On accuracy's web site there is a reference to them
working well. You can wait until later to install them as the top skin
will be off until you are ready.
I have more pics if you need them.
Fred Williams
day job getting in the way of building.
Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> Im just finishing up my tailcone with wings coming in January.
>
> For those that have use a NACA vent to provide an air inlet for the
> overhead console, would you recommend installing them at this stage.
> My assumption is that it would be much easy cutting the holes prior to
> riveting the tailcone together.
>
> My second question is has there been consensus on the best local to
> place the vents yet?
>
> Im also just starting to start looking at NACA sources. Vans has one
> for $6.25 and ACS has several, but all are over $30. I was caught off
> guard by the price differences. There cant be that much difference in
> quality.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> #40684
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Thanks for the quick response. The picture was very helpful.
I'm assuming that the tray attached to the bulkhead is for your ahrs?
Out of curiosity, what's installed below the naca vent on the left side?
I know the feeling about your day job getting in your way. I took today
and tomorrow off to work on the tailcone and I've already received a half
dozen calls from the office. Time to unplug the phone in the garage. :^)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: NACA Vents
Bob:
I bought the ones from Vans'. Order them when you need something else. I
waited until I had the top on to cut the holes. Made up a template of the
NACA hole before I installed the forward vents. Then just traced it on the
skin and used a nibbler to remove the majority of the aluminum.
File to do the rest. I placed the front of the vent 10 inches behind the
rivet line of the bulkhead, centered in between the longerons. No science
involved. On accuracy's web site there is a reference to them working well.
You can wait until later to install them as the top skin will be off until
you are ready.
I have more pics if you need them.
Fred Williams
day job getting in the way of building.
Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> I'm just finishing up my tailcone with wings coming in January.
>
> For those that have use a NACA vent to provide an air inlet for the
> overhead console, would you recommend installing them at this stage.
> My assumption is that it would be much easy cutting the holes prior to
> riveting the tailcone together.
>
> My second question is has there been consensus on the best local to
> place the vents yet?
>
> I'm also just starting to start looking at NACA sources. Van's has one
> for $6.25 and ACS has several, but all are over $30. I was caught off
> guard by the price differences. There can't be that much difference in
> quality.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> #40684
>
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Bob:
It's the power supply for the strobes. Whelen (sp?) . Vans has a
plate that will let you attach it to the stringers.
Dr Fred ( in between patients) Did get the brake parts painted this am.
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Sounds like a re-alignment of priorities...so irresponsible for a grown man
.
In between teeth, and wishing I was a kid again with a really big expense a
ccount.
John> From: rv@thelefflers.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: R
V10-List: NACA Vents> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:46:24 -0500> > --> RV10-Lis
t message posted by: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>> > Thanks for the q
uick response. The picture was very helpful.> > I'm assuming that the tray
attached to the bulkhead is for your ahrs?> > Out of curiosity, what's inst
alled below the naca vent on the left side?> > I know the feeling about you
r day job getting in your way. I took today> and tomorrow off to work on th
e tailcone and I've already received a half> dozen calls from the office. T
ime to unplug the phone in the garage. :^)> > -----Original Message-----> F
rom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,> M.D.> Sent: Thursday, December 1
3, 2007 9:38 AM> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: NACA
Vents> > Bob:> > I bought the ones from Vans'. Order them when you need som
ething else. I> waited until I had the top on to cut the holes. Made up a t
emplate of the> NACA hole before I installed the forward vents. Then just t
raced it on the> skin and used a nibbler to remove the majority of the alum
inum. > File to do the rest. I placed the front of the vent 10 inches behin
d the> rivet line of the bulkhead, centered in between the longerons. No sc
ience> involved. On accuracy's web site there is a reference to them workin
g well.> You can wait until later to install them as the top skin will be o
ff until> you are ready.> > I have more pics if you need them.> > Fred Will
iams> > day job getting in the way of building.> > > Bob Leffler wrote:> >>
> I'm just finishing up my tailcone with wings coming in January.> >> > Fo
r those that have use a NACA vent to provide an air inlet for the > > overh
ead console, would you recommend installing them at this stage.> > My assum
ption is that it would be much easy cutting the holes prior to > > riveting
the tailcone together.> >> > My second question is has there been consensu
s on the best local to > > place the vents yet?> >> > I'm also just startin
g to start looking at NACA sources. Van's has one > > for $6.25 and ACS has
several, but all are over $30. I was caught off > > guard by the price dif
ferences. There can't be that much difference in > > quality.> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Bob> >> > #40684> >> > *> >> >> > *> > -----------------------------
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Bob,
I am on the road so this is the only photo I have available. We
placed ours just behind the baggage bulkhead. Again no science, just the
shortest distance and it's the same place one of the very first OH
console installers placed his with good results.
We waited till late in the build to add the vents but well before
the canopy was attached. Wait... The canopy still isn't attached. Darn.
If you want to see some detail of our OH console visit:
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/console.htm
Good Luck,
Robin
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| Subject: | Van's cowl vs James cowl |
I am wondering whether a few builders can comment on the results that they
have had with the James' cowl.
What I am looking at is the overall quality of the James product vs Van's c
owl or compared to other Van's fiberglass products.
I am not so interested in the speed improvement debate, but quality and whe
ther by using James made more work for the builder because Van's made the F
W package for the Van's cowl.
Also, I believe if I have energy left at the end of my build that I will be
doing a plenum for the engine and I might be interested in molding it for
others and the James has those nice intake rings.
A nice plenum made of 50/50 carbon/kevlar with high temp resin would look c
ool and I could realistically do that...energy remaining.
What did van's credit for not taking the cowl with the finishing kit?
Thanks,
John G.
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Jim there are two drives of ours on Barnstormers. One is 1000. the other 2600
with the engine, both are from good people The one in Texas was sold by his
widow and the guy removed the engine and drive for a Lycoming. The other
belonged to a fellow who died of a heart attack and his son is selling it for
1000.00 Go to Barnstormers.com, punch in search then enter RV6 and they come up.
Jess
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How much does the overhead console cost bare? When you're all done
installing it with vents and eyeball lights how much does that run?
-Ben
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: NACA Vents
I'm just finishing up my tailcone with wings coming in January.
For those that have use a NACA vent to provide an air inlet for the overhead
console, would you recommend installing them at this stage. My assumption
is that it would be much easy cutting the holes prior to riveting the
tailcone together.
My second question is has there been consensus on the best local to place
the vents yet?
I'm also just starting to start looking at NACA sources. Van's has one for
$6.25 and ACS has several, but all are over $30. I was caught off guard
by the price differences. There can't be that much difference in quality.
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
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| Subject: | Van's cowl vs James cowl |
I asked Van's about the prices a while back (of their cowl) of course I just
deleted it off my spreadsheet cause I decided to stick with the stock cowl.
I am pretty sure it was right at $800 for the cowl and spinner parts. The
tough sell is the spinner kit. If you are going with the hartzell the
larger spinner kit is more than the James Cowl itself.
I haven't heard any reports about improved speed, cooling, or what have you.
Come to think of it I haven't heard any reports about the James Cowl at all!
-Ben
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's cowl vs James cowl
I am wondering whether a few builders can comment on the results that they
have had with the James' cowl.
What I am looking at is the overall quality of the James product vs Van's
cowl or compared to other Van's fiberglass products.
I am not so interested in the speed improvement debate, but quality and
whether by using James made more work for the builder because Van's made the
FW package for the Van's cowl.
Also, I believe if I have energy left at the end of my build that I will be
doing a plenum for the engine and I might be interested in molding it for
others and the James has those nice intake rings.
A nice plenum made of 50/50 carbon/kevlar with high temp resin would look
cool and I could realistically do that...energy remaining.
What did van's credit for not taking the cowl with the finishing kit?
Thanks,
John G.
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| Subject: | Re: Van's cowl vs James cowl |
I just received my finish kit estimate yesterday for the same type of setup. I
removed the cowl for a credit of $793.34 for the upper and lower halves and the
inlets. For the removal of the entire spinner kit the credit was $120.00. Hope
this helps.
Eric Kallio
40518...Canopy
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I don't have all the pricing yet.
To me cost is secondary. My wife requires a ton of blowing air in her face
when she flies. If installing an overhead vent is what it takes, then
that's a mod that will be done regardless of price. I almost had to
install air conditioning, but she has since relented on that requirement.
There two methods. Several have used a Chevy SUV overhead console or you
can get one from Accuracy Avionics.
http://www.accuracyavionics.com/v1/fiberglassoptions.html
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: NACA Vents
How much does the overhead console cost bare? When you're all done
installing it with vents and eyeball lights how much does that run?
-Ben
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: NACA Vents
I'm just finishing up my tailcone with wings coming in January.
For those that have use a NACA vent to provide an air inlet for the overhead
console, would you recommend installing them at this stage. My assumption
is that it would be much easy cutting the holes prior to riveting the
tailcone together.
My second question is has there been consensus on the best local to place
the vents yet?
I'm also just starting to start looking at NACA sources. Van's has one for
$6.25 and ACS has several, but all are over $30. I was caught off guard
by the price differences. There can't be that much difference in quality.
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
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| Subject: | Height of Fuse stand |
Group:
Roughly, how high off the ground should I make the stand for the QB fuse.
Think I read that the bottom of the fuse is ~27 inches from the ground with wheels
installed so is that about right height. I'm copying the stand that I've
seen attributed to Rick S.
I'm 6'5" so don't want it too low to the ground. Knees don't bend quite as well
as they used to :)
Doug
QB fuse and wings here Monday.....
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Doug
RV7A flying ~500hrs
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| Subject: | Alternative engines |
Here is an interesting read on the alternative engine subject.
http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/article2.html
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Alternative engines |
Very interesting read ... thanks for posting.
Hope you don't mind but I'm going to post a link to the article on a couple
of other boards ...
g
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Alternative engines
Here is an interesting read on the alternative engine subject.
http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/article2.html
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Re: Height of Fuse stand |
no no no. You want something low to the ground while you work on it, unless you
plan to skip to the gear install first. You're going to be climbing in and out
a whole lot and leaning over a bunch before it's up on gear. How tall are
you???!
I used two pallets fastened together with casters on the bottom, and it was still
a little tall. I put a carpet scrap between the pallets and the fuse.
BTW, If you plan to skip to the gear install, make sure you've done any soundproofing
to the subfloor and floor pans under the gear leg brackets. I and others
had to remove them to get the subfloor work done, which in itself involves
a lot of bending and leaning, so you want a short stand anyway.
Rob Wright
#392
buildus interruptus since May, but still here!
----- Original Message ----
From: n277dl <dljinia@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:15:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Height of Fuse stand
Group:
Roughly, how high off the ground should I make the stand for the QB fuse. Think
I read that the bottom of the fuse is ~27 inches from the ground with wheels
installed so is that about right height. I'm copying the stand that I've seen
attributed to Rick S.
I'm 6'5" so don't want it too low to the ground. Knees don't bend quite as well
as they used to :)
Doug
QB fuse and wings here Monday.....
--------
Doug
RV7A flying ~500hrs
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152063#152063
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| Subject: | Alternative engines |
That's a really interesting article. Do you know when it was written?
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715 / N690CT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Alternative engines
Here is an interesting read on the alternative engine subject.
http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/article2.html
Dave Leikam
40496
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