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1. 03:32 AM - Re: wingtip (Rob Kermanj)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: wingtip (Bob-tcw)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: wing tip ()
4. 05:55 AM - Re: collision avoidance (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
5. 06:05 AM - prop (linn Walters)
6. 07:11 AM - Re: prop (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
7. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: oil canning. (John Gonzalez)
8. 09:22 AM - wing tip (Chris Hukill)
9. 10:16 AM - Re: Composite School - helpful advice please (Doors/Cabin top) (John Gonzalez)
10. 12:10 PM - RV-10 Fuselage Stand (tgesele@optonline.net)
11. 01:13 PM - Christmas (speckter@comcast.net)
12. 03:30 PM - VP-200 Update (Jay Brinkmeyer)
13. 04:34 PM - Re: Statistical Sample (ddddsp1@juno.com)
14. 05:55 PM - Re: Statistical Sample (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
15. 07:23 PM - Re: collision avoidance (Kelly McMullen)
16. 08:08 PM - Re: wingtip (Robin Marks)
17. 08:29 PM - Re: collision avoidance (cjay)
18. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: AOA in your RV-10? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
19. 09:13 PM - dreaded oil canning lessened (John Gonzalez)
20. 09:44 PM - OAT probe location (Dave Leikam)
21. 10:06 PM - Re: OAT probe location (McGANN, Ron)
22. 10:08 PM - Re: Re: AOA in your RV-10? (William DeLacey)
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Neat Shop! Oak Flooring?
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On Dec 16, 2007, at 8:51 PM, Bob-tcw wrote:
> Chris, I found one more picture. This was with the straight edge
> clamped to the trailing edge of the aileron and wingtip as the resin
> hardened.
>
> -Bob Newman<wingtip-2.JPG>
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Oak floor over top of radiant heat slab, reclaimed, old growth douglas
fir timbers
-Bob
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Bob,
That is one sweet workshop!
Jim C
(40192)
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From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman@tcwtech.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: wing tip
Chris, Other's will have to chime in, especially those flying. When I did my
wing tips I used the "neutral jig" which sets the aileron neutral position,
checked and aligned the flaps to the ailerons and then set my wing tip trailing
edges to the ailerons. I believe I had the "old version" of wing tips as they
were about 3/4" longer than the aileron, but none the less, I had to cut
the upper and lower wing tip surface at the trailing edge to pull the wing tip
into alignment with the aileron. I used a long straight edge to align the
wing tip to the aileron and used it as a clamping jig while the resin dried.
I remeber cutting about 3" forward from the trailing edge to give the upper and
lower tip skin some compliance so I could easily align it with the aileron.
When I was done it came out swell.
Here's a picture when it was all done.
-Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
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| Subject: | Re: collision avoidance |
In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their controlled
airspace.
Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or Bravo....
P
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It's time to plead ignorance here! I have a good friend trying to
unload a CS prop ..... rarther cheaply. Has minor tip damage :-(
I don't know if it'll be any good on an IO-540 or not.
It's a Hartzell HC 624K-4CF Case # (hub?) 2960 and blades #s FC 7666A2
He just called and eht email was up so I decided to query and then
google Hartzell.
TIA
Linn
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Tip damage sounds a lot like prop strike. I wouldn't touch it.
-Jim
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
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In a message dated 12/17/2007 9:08:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
It's time to plead ignorance here! I have a good friend trying to
unload a CS prop ..... rarther cheaply. Has minor tip damage :-(
I don't know if it'll be any good on an IO-540 or not.
It's a Hartzell HC 624K-4CF Case # (hub?) 2960 and blades #s FC 7666A2
He just called and eht email was up so I decided to query and then
google Hartzell.
TIA
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: oil canning. |
I'll send you a few photos in a while. Tried to do it over the matronics pa
ge but the photo size is too large for even one on my photos. Two attempts.
It is actually the bay just inboard of the last access panel as described i
n the manual.
John
Do Not archive> Subject: RV10-List: Re: oil canning.> From: johngoodman@ear
thlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:47:36 -0800> To: rv10-list@matronics.
k.net>> > JOhn,> You got my attention. I'll be closing up my QB wings in a
week or two and I've noticed a little "slop" in the open ribs, especially i
n the middle, when I tried to precut the pitot mount hole. I'm guessing abo
ut two bays outside the last inspection port, right?> John> > --------> #40
572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived> N711JG reserved> > > > > Read this topic onl
ine here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152605#152605> >
====> > >
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I just got off the phone to Vans, and was told that the rig on the 10 is
to put the flaps all the way up against the hard stops at the rear spar,
which is the reflex position, then rig the aileron to trail with the
flaps, then the tip to the aileron. The bellcrank jig is used only to
center the bellcrank, not to rig the aileron. Thanks to all.
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Composite School - helpful advice please (Doors/Cabin |
top)
Your finding confirms what I noticed when working with the rear windows, th
e joggle in the cabin top didn't appear deep enough for the window thicknes
s or the top was not built out enough in this area. The part may have seper
ated from the mold during fabrication is the other possible reason.
JOhn G.
Do not archive> Subject: RV10-List: Composite School - helpful advice pleas
e (Doors/Cabin top)> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:
50:14 -0800> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10-List message posted by
: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>> > I am presently fitting my doors. I ha
ve the latch pins and gas struts installed and cannot get the doors to fit
perfectly.> > The doors fit nice and tight at the top (with some shims) and
at the bottom with the latching pins. (Rivithead set is very slick) But th
e middle of the door is unsatisfactory> > Essentially the door bows outward
in the middle more than the cabin top by about 1/16-1/8 inch. It seems evi
dent that the solution is to build up the cabin top at the front windshield
flange and at the area between the door and the rear window.> > The best a
dvice that I have received so far is from Gus at Van's who suggested that I
saturate foam with epoxy and shape it to the area and then cover it with a
thin coat of fabric saturated with epoxy. > > I was also warned not to use
ANY polyester/bondo products on the cabin top.> > Any advice here will be
appreciated> > --------> OSH '08 or Bust> Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglas
s stuff> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.co
===============> > >
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| Subject: | RV-10 Fuselage Stand |
I'm going to be putting my -10 on it's gear this weekend and will no longer need
the fuselage stand. It's worked out very well for me and rather than tear it
apart and toss it, I'm offering it up for free to anyone who is willing to pick
it up (located on Long Island, NY). If interested, e-mail me at tgesele@optonline.net.
Tom Gesele #40473
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This was hijacked from Van's Airforce
Gary
40274
The Twelve Days of an RV Builders Christmas
Its late. Youre behind. Your spouse is standing there tapping his or her foot because
you havent provided a Christmas list yet. You havent even started a list
because you have been busy working on your RV. (You also havent started your
Christmas shopping because your RV consumes your life but we cant help you out
of that sort of trouble!) You need help. You need a list, and you need it now!
We are here to help!
We offer here an amended version of that old holiday classic saluting the Twelve
Days of Christmas. Not having much use for calling birds or maids a milking,
and being more than a little concerned about the effects on weight and balance
of ten Lords a leaping (do they affect gross weight while in midleap?), we felt
that a more appropriate shopping list needed to be developed especially with
the builder in mind. Maybe by leaving this ditty around the house, a few last
minute presents might be generated.
In an effort to be concise in communications, we will forego the multitude of verses
leading to the final approach fixso here is the twelfth day!
On the twelfth day of Christmas,
my true love sent to me
Twelve silver clecos
leven truss head screws
Ten rolls of duct tape
Nine Scotchbright pads
Eight cans of primer
Seven nylon tie-wraps
Six hi-temp lock nuts
Five bucking bars
Four dimple dies
Three rivet sets
Two quickbuild wings
And a slow-build fuselage
Happy Holidays from Paul and Louise!
__________________
Paul F. Dye
RV-8 - N188PD - "Valkyrie" - 630+ Hours!
TMX-0360 (180 HP), Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS panel
VAF #35
EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
Nassau Bay, TX
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<DIV id=post_message_180592>Its late. Youre behind. Your spouse is standing there
tapping his or her foot because you havent provided a Christmas list yet. You
havent even started a list because you have been busy working on your RV. (You
also havent started your Christmas shopping because your RV consumes your
life but we cant help you out of that sort of trouble!) You need help. You need
a list, and you need it now! We are here to help!<BR><BR>We offer here an amended
version of that old holiday classic saluting the Twelve Days of Christmas.
Not having much use for calling birds or maids a milking, and being more than
a little concerned about the effects on weight and balance of ten Lords a
leaping (do they affect gross weight while in midleap?), we felt that a more appropriate
shopping list needed to be developed especially with the builder in
mind. Maybe by leaving this ditty around the house, a few last minute presents
might be generated.<BR><BR>In an effort to
be co
ncise in communications, we will forego the multitude of verses leading to the
final approach fixso here is the twelfth day!<BR><BR>On the twelfth day of Christmas,
<BR>my true love sent to me<BR>Twelve silver clecos<BR>leven truss head
screws<BR>Ten rolls of duct tape<BR>Nine Scotchbright pads<BR>Eight cans of
primer<BR>Seven nylon tie-wraps <BR>Six hi-temp lock nuts<BR>Five bucking bars
<BR>Four dimple dies<BR>Three rivet sets<BR>Two quickbuild wings<BR>And a slow-build
fuselage<BR><BR><BR>Happy Holidays from Paul and Louise!</DIV><!-- / message
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They are a start up. History shows that you.... a) shouldn't be excited to be first
to deploy and b) don't put down a large deposit. :-)
Cheers,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Statistical Sample |
John,
Just back from Stein putting in the SL30.............turned 125 hours.
Got pics of Dynon LOP with all 6 cylinders on our O 540 at several power
settings going to MSP and back cruising at 10000 ft.
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: Statistical Sample |
DEAN, WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOUR PICS AND PERFORMANCE FIGURES IF U DON'T MIND SHARING.
THANKS,
DOUG PRESTON
N372RV
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From: ddddsp1@juno.com <ddddsp1@juno.com>
Sent: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Statistical Sample
John,
Just back from Stein putting in the SL30.............turned 125 hours.? Got pics
of Dynon LOP with all 6 cylinders on our O 540 at several power settings going
to MSP and back cruising at 10000 ft.
?
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: collision avoidance |
And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence in class E.
On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, <GRANSCOTT@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their controlled
> airspace.
>
>
> Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or Bravo....
>
> P
>
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I don't want to build an airplane in your shop, I want to live in it...
I am sure it seems like sometimes you do live there.
Beautiful digs...
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob-tcw
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: wingtip
Oak floor over top of radiant heat slab, reclaimed, old growth douglas
fir timbers
-Bob
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| Subject: | Re: collision avoidance |
This is a scenario where you would be hard pressed to beat ADS-B for traffic awareness.
You are outside of radar control or controllers are too busy to notice;
ADS-B would give you a clear picture of traffic (altitude, bearing, and direction)
without ATC help.
Unfortunately, most people don't understand it, and no one is using it yet. Not
cheap enough yet either, the GDL-90 is about $7K and you need an EFIS/MFD that
displays it.
Also, ground station coverage is only on the east coast right now.
cjay
apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence in class
E.
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> > pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> > Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their controlled
> > airspace.
> >
> >
> > Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or Bravo....
> >
> > P
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.
> >
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| Subject: | Re: AOA in your RV-10? |
Just a couple of comments on this. Most people I have talked to have rarely, if
ever, actually had any water in their AFS AOA. It also comes preloaded with
an RV-10 profile so while it does need to be calibrated to your specific aircraft,
it's at least useable out of the box.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AOA in your RV-10?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the AFS system from my point of view. I
just prefer to have the probes under the wing. The hole on top is a water collection
problem, that's all (easy to put a cover on pitot tubes and LRI probes).
Cost is also a factor. However, I will say that I find most of the cockpit displays
too colorful and complex for my tastes. Too much interpretation of what
the little colored chevrons mean. That's why I like an analog dial - just like
the Navy. The red/amber/green colors originate from the chevron light indicator
that was in the carrier jets (only used for landings). The pilot only saw
(from top to bottom) an inverted red chevron, an amber circle, or a green chevron
(slow changes would show two lights). What the Navy pilot was seeing was
the same thing as the lights on the nose wheel that the LSO (Landing Signal Officer)
saw. In a simple example, he could tell if you were pulling up the nose
without power because the lights would start blinki!
ng from amber to amber/red, or red.
Since you asked, I read through the calibration process of the AFS product and
found it a little complex. Calibration is still required for any of them, but
I liked the InAir the best. Since I didn't want to cut into my QB wings to put
in Van's stall warning, the Dynon system seemed to fill all the squares - a heated
pitot, and an aural stall warning that was based on a system I knew and
trusted. I still wanted a genuine analog dial, so I also chose InAir and put it
on the other wing. The advantage of an analog dial is that I will be able to
calibrate Maneuvering, L over D max, Best Glide, Best Range, etc., and put marks
on the dial face. To give an example, the guy who always won in ACM (air combat
maneuvering - dogfighting) always kept the high g turn right on L over D
Max. Since the gauge was on the upper left of the panel, a savvy Air Force guy
could force you into right turns and take the advantage away, I'm sad to say....
John
cjay wrote:
> Hey John,
>
> The InAir (and Dynon) is a great deal cheaper than the AFS. Does the AFS AOA
have any benefits over InAir?
>
> regards,
>
> cjay
>
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| Subject: | dreaded oil canning lessened |
Tonight I re rivetted the bottom skin all the way to but not including the
last the ribs. I never had a problem aft of the J channel, the skin was tig
ht.
I did as suggested and removed about 1/32" to 1/16" off the edge where the
seem is joining the LE skin. This time I hop scotched each rivet, jumping f
rom rib to rib, one horizontal row at a time. I basically numberred each ve
rtical row of holes with the order I would rivet them in, doing my best to
cancel each rib's spring loaded force out. Because of the access panels and
our ability to get inside the wing, rib flanges are turned out board or in
board in pairs. I never rivetted a pair together.
It seemed to have helped but I am hoping that after I rivet the remaining t
hree out board ribs it will be even tighter as Ron suggested his did.
One thing for certain, I wish I was as proficient at rivetting on the rear
spar area, where I started as I am now. Got a few blemishes up in those are
as.
The small square faced bucking bar worked best with some heave plumbers tap
e wrapped a lot of times, overhanging the the square face by about1/8". Thi
s helps soften the blows form any miss alignment hits, no internal dammage
and it also helps sensory issue of finding your rivet and the center of the
bucking bar face. Lastly, you can push the face of the bucking bar flat ag
ains the face of the interior skin and your rivet is less likey to come com
pletely out. This make keeping the face of the BB parallel to the inside sk
in easier. Tonight I learned how to push the rivet back and forth between t
he bucking bar face and the flush set on the gun and get a real good feel f
or the pressure needed and the center of the bar face by how it rocks on th
e rivet. Interesting little tid bit of info.
The plumbers tape is the real trick
JOhn G
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| Subject: | OAT probe location |
Has anyone installed their OAT probe on a wing? If so, where and how?
I want to make this decision before I close my wings.
Dave Leikam
40496
N89DA reserved
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| Subject: | OAT probe location |
Hi Dave,
I mounted mine in a rubber grommet in the right wing centre inspection plat
e.
cheers,
Ron
187 Moving to the hangar !!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Dave Leikam
Sent: Tue 18/12/2007 16:14
Subject: RV10-List: OAT probe location
Has anyone installed their OAT probe on a wing? If so, where and how? I w
ant to make this decision before I close my wings.
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Re: AOA in your RV-10? |
Note: The Reserve Lift Indicator is calibrated by flying, stalling, landing
and adjusting the probe--flying, stalling, landing and adjusting - flying,
stalling........
However, once installed it has worked as advertised. My problem is and has
been the indicator needle. I cannot see it in the last twenty feet during
landing. My peripheral vision doesn't pick up the indicator needle( mount
ed on the Glare Shield) when I need it. This may be my problem as I am a l
ow time pilot with a high pilot load during landing.I intend to install the
AOA Sport next, I intend to mount the LED display on the Glare Shield and
monitor the color change with peripheral vision.
> From: rvbuilder@sausen.net> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Date: Mon, 17 De
c 2007 22:34:16 -0600> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: AOA in your RV-10?> > --
sen.net>> > Just a couple of comments on this. Most people I have talked to
have rarely, if ever, actually had any water in their AFS AOA. It also com
es preloaded with an RV-10 profile so while it does need to be calibrated t
o your specific aircraft, it's at least useable out of the box.> > Michael>
> -----Original Message-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [
mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman> Sent
: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:46 PM> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject
hngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>> > There is absolutely nothing wrong
with the AFS system from my point of view. I just prefer to have the probe
s under the wing. The hole on top is a water collection problem, that's all
(easy to put a cover on pitot tubes and LRI probes). Cost is also a factor
. However, I will say that I find most of the cockpit displays too colorful
and complex for my tastes. Too much interpretation of what the little colo
red chevrons mean. That's why I like an analog dial - just like the Navy. T
he red/amber/green colors originate from the chevron light indicator that w
as in the carrier jets (only used for landings). The pilot only saw (from t
op to bottom) an inverted red chevron, an amber circle, or a green chevron
(slow changes would show two lights). What the Navy pilot was seeing was th
e same thing as the lights on the nose wheel that the LSO (Landing Signal O
fficer) saw. In a simple example, he could tell if you were pulling up the
nose without power because the lights would start blinki!> ng from amber to
amber/red, or red.> > Since you asked, I read through the calibration proc
ess of the AFS product and found it a little complex. Calibration is still
required for any of them, but I liked the InAir the best. Since I didn't wa
nt to cut into my QB wings to put in Van's stall warning, the Dynon system
seemed to fill all the squares - a heated pitot, and an aural stall warning
that was based on a system I knew and trusted. I still wanted a genuine an
alog dial, so I also chose InAir and put it on the other wing. The advantag
e of an analog dial is that I will be able to calibrate Maneuvering, L over
D max, Best Glide, Best Range, etc., and put marks on the dial face. To gi
ve an example, the guy who always won in ACM (air combat maneuvering - dogf
ighting) always kept the high g turn right on L over D Max. Since the gauge
was on the upper left of the panel, a savvy Air Force guy could force you
into right turns and take the advantage away, I'm sad to say....> John> > >
> cjay wrote:> > Hey John,> >> > The InAir (and Dynon) is a great deal che
aper than the AFS. Does the AFS AOA have any benefits over InAir?> >> > reg
ards,> >> > cjay> >> > > --------> #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived> N711JG
reserved> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.
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