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1. 05:10 AM - Re: OAT probe location (David Maib)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: dreaded oil canning lessened (David McNeill)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Alternative engines (Eric Ekberg)
4. 06:55 AM - Re: VP-200 Update (tsts4)
5. 08:43 AM - bottom wing skin (Chris Hukill)
6. 08:55 AM - Re: bottom wing skin (Rick Sked)
7. 09:02 AM - Test (N212PJ)
8. 09:04 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Bill DeRouchey)
9. 09:04 AM - Re: bottom wing skin (Fred Williams, M.D.)
10. 09:21 AM - Re: bottom wing skin (Jeff Carpenter)
11. 09:42 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Michael Schipper)
12. 09:45 AM - Re: bottom wing skin (John Gonzalez)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: bottom wing skin (John Gonzalez)
14. 10:17 AM - Re: bottom wing skin (David McNeill)
15. 11:24 AM - Strobe and Antenna Wire in Same Conduit (Chuck Weyant)
16. 12:47 PM - Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? (Chris Johnston)
17. 12:48 PM - Re: bottom wing skin (MauleDriver)
18. 02:37 PM - Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (Gerry Filby)
19. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: collision avoidance (John W. Cox)
20. 02:53 PM - Collision avoidance (John Jessen)
21. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: collision avoidance (John W. Cox)
22. 03:12 PM - Re: Collision avoidance (John W. Cox)
23. 03:13 PM - Re: Collision avoidance (David McNeill)
24. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: collision avoidance (David McNeill)
25. 03:49 PM - Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (Jesse Saint)
26. 04:28 PM - Trutrak EFIS SG (Marcus Cooper)
27. 05:09 PM - Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (Bob Leffler)
28. 05:15 PM - Re: Trutrak EFIS SG (David McNeill)
29. 06:02 PM - Re: Solvents. Was:Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (John Ackerman)
30. 06:03 PM - Re: OAT probe location (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
31. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: VP-200 Update (William Curtis)
32. 06:30 PM - Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (Robin Marks)
33. 06:34 PM - Re: Solvents. Was:Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
34. 07:01 PM - Re: Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? (zackrv8)
35. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: collision avoidance (William Curtis)
36. 07:53 PM - Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (Dave Leikam)
37. 08:10 PM - Re: OAT probe location (Bill DeRouchey)
38. 08:24 PM - Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (Kelly McMullen)
39. 09:19 PM - Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? (DejaVu)
40. 10:07 PM - Re: OAT probe location (John Ackerman)
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
I have not installed mine yet, but plan to install it in the next to
most outboard panel on the left wing.
David Maib
40559
On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Dave Leikam wrote:
Has anyone installed their OAT probe on a wing? If so, where and
how? I want to make this decision before I close my wings.
Dave Leikam
40496
N89DA reserved
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| Subject: | dreaded oil canning lessened |
I don't know of the plumbers tape but I have found that the following tape
is excellent for holding rivets in place, holding small pieces of baffling
material to the bucking bars and general composite work. It does not leave a
residue and does not stick to fiberglass resin/epoxy.
http://www.uline.com/Browse_Listing_6090.asp?pricode=wi830
<http://www.uline.com/Browse_Listing_6090.asp?pricode=wi830&wcw=google>
&wcw=google
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: dreaded oil canning lessened
Tonight I re rivetted the bottom skin all the way to but not including the
last the ribs. I never had a problem aft of the J channel, the skin was
tight.
I did as suggested and removed about 1/32" to 1/16" off the edge where the
seem is joining the LE skin. This time I hop scotched each rivet, jumping
from rib to rib, one horizontal row at a time. I basically numberred each
vertical row of holes with the order I would rivet them in, doing my best to
cancel each rib's spring loaded force out. Because of the access panels and
our ability to get inside the wing, rib flanges are turned out board or in
board in pairs. I never rivetted a pair together.
It seemed to have helped but I am hoping that after I rivet the remaining
three out board ribs it will be even tighter as Ron suggested his did.
One thing for certain, I wish I was as proficient at rivetting on the rear
spar area, where I started as I am now. Got a few blemishes up in those
areas.
The small square faced bucking bar worked best with some heave plumbers tape
wrapped a lot of times, overhanging the the square face by about1/8". This
helps soften the blows form any miss alignment hits, no internal dammage and
it also helps sensory issue of finding your rivet and the center of the
bucking bar face. Lastly, you can push the face of the bucking bar flat
agains the face of the interior skin and your rivet is less likey to come
completely out. This make keeping the face of the BB parallel to the inside
skin easier. Tonight I learned how to push the rivet back and forth between
the bucking bar face and the flush set on the gun and get a real good feel
for the pressure needed and the center of the bar face by how it rocks on
the rivet. Interesting little tid bit of info.
The plumbers tape is the real trick
JOhn G
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| Subject: | Re: Alternative engines |
I would say it is more than 10 years old, probably 15+. The article
references 1990 as a modern date for auto engines. It also mentions that
"modern" cars have been reducing weight - which is the exact opposite of
what has been happening in the last couple of decades. Automobiles have
been getting heavier and heavier with every generation. They have been
adding safety and convenience features, but at the expense of weight (and
cost). It was a good read none the less. Thanks
Eric
do not archive
On Dec 14, 2007 4:52 PM, John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
> The article appears to be about 10 years old. Cirrus and Thielert have
> skewed all the basis. The Continental Diesel has been abandoned. The
> Orenda goes way back with Lancairs. The Zoche Diesel is still a research
> project and Mooney is long out of this Alternate Engine hunt.
>
> It was fun reading.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Alternative engines
>
>
> Dave Leikam wrote:
> >
> > Go ahead and post it where ever you like, I found the article by
> > chance while Googling around. I have no idea when it was written, but
> > I assume it is not too old. It references Toyota's interest in
> > building a small 4 seat GA airplane, and I remember hearing about that
> > several years ago.
>
> I looked at the page info in Firefox (Tools, Page Info menu under
> Linux), and it says this page was last modified on Nov 4, 1997. No idea
> if that is really the correct date it was published, though. The
> author's info is at the bottom of the web page, so I suppose we could
> contact him and see...
>
> It would be interesting to find out about the Toyota research
> project.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
> http://deej.net/sportsman/
>
> "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
>
> airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VP-200 Update |
> They are a start up. History shows that you.... a) shouldn't be excited to be
first to deploy and b) don't put down a large deposit.
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
All true. New products and companies, particularly those involved in aviation,
should always be viewed with caution -- Caveat Emptor. However, in the case
of Vertical Power, they only bill when ready to ship and they are shipping products
-- this isn't vaporware. I know because I have a VP-200 and a wiring harness
sitting in my workshop. Marc and crew have also been very responsive to
questions and requests for support.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152868#152868
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| Subject: | bottom wing skin |
After reading this thread about oil canning of the OB bottom skins, I
took a good look at mine, that are clecoed on, but not yet dimpled. I
see considerable oil canning, and the forward edge of the skin is tight
against the forward skin and actually overlapping it slightly in some
areas. I obviously need to trim some off the aft skin, but short of
blazing away with a file, I wonder if anyone knows a way to remove this
material and leave a smooth, strait edge.
I have not put a preload bend in the skin as you would with an
overlapping skin, but I wonder if that would shrink it as well? The
plans don't instruct you to put the preload bend even on the inboard
edge where it overlaps the IB skin, but I assume that's just an
oversight? Any suggestions?
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: bottom wing skin |
I passed a file over then polished the leading edge and tank skins=C2-par
t of the skins until they fit against the wing skins. I also put the preloa
d bend on the skind to allow it to lay as flat as possible after they were
riveted.. My wings are in B-21 Chris if you want to take a look someday.
Rick Sked
49185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:12:06 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: bottom wing skin
After reading this thread about oil canning of the OB bottom skins, I took
a good look at mine, that are clecoed on, but not yet dimpled. I see consid
erable oil canning, and the forward edge of the skin is tight against the f
orward skin and actually overlapping it slightly in some areas. I obviously
need to trim some off the aft skin, but short of blazing away with a file,
I wonder if anyone knows a way to remove this material and leave a smooth,
strait=C2-edge.
I have not put a preload bend in the skin as you would with an overlapping
skin, but I wonder if that would shrink it as well? The plans don't instruc
t you to put the preload bend even on the inboard edge where it overlaps th
e IB skin, but I assume that's just an oversight? Any suggestions?
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
I installed mine on the wing 18" outside the tip of the propeller in an inspection
plate. Drilled a small hole and sealed with Proseal, added a connector for
servicing. No issues.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
I have not installed mine yet, but plan to install it in the next to most outboard
panel on the left wing.
David Maib
40559
On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Dave Leikam wrote:
Has anyone installed their OAT probe on a wing? If so, where and how? I want
to make this decision before I close my wings.
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Re: bottom wing skin |
Chris;
Have you considered a "v" notched deburring tool? Should trim off a
couple thousandths each pass. A good fine file is probably the best .
Also, if you take a sharpie and put and run it and your finger down the
edge before you trim, it gives you a line to thin down to see how much
you took off. I'd just recommend going slow with the a file and then
rounding the edges with the v tool.
Dr Fred.
Chris Hukill wrote:
> After reading this thread about oil canning of the OB bottom skins, I
> took a good look at mine, that are clecoed on, but not yet dimpled. I
> see considerable oil canning, and the forward edge of the skin is
> tight against the forward skin and actually overlapping it slightly in
> some areas. I obviously need to trim some off the aft skin, but short
> of blazing away with a file, I wonder if anyone knows a way to remove
> this material and leave a smooth, strait edge.
> I have not put a preload bend in the skin as you would with an
> overlapping skin, but I wonder if that would shrink it as well? The
> plans don't instruct you to put the preload bend even on the inboard
> edge where it overlaps the IB skin, but I assume that's just an
> oversight? Any suggestions?
> Chris Hukill
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: bottom wing skin |
Take a long coarse file and run it lengthwise along the edge of the
skin. Finish with the file held at a 45 degree angle along the
inside and outside edges to debur.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
> After reading this thread about oil canning of the OB bottom skins,
> I took a good look at mine, that are clecoed on, but not yet
> dimpled. I see considerable oil canning, and the forward edge of
> the skin is tight against the forward skin and actually overlapping
> it slightly in some areas. I obviously need to trim some off the
> aft skin, but short of blazing away with a file, I wonder if anyone
> knows a way to remove this material and leave a smooth, strait edge.
> I have not put a preload bend in the skin as you would with an
> overlapping skin, but I wonder if that would shrink it as well? The
> plans don't instruct you to put the preload bend even on the
> inboard edge where it overlaps the IB skin, but I assume that's
> just an oversight? Any suggestions?
> Chris Hukill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
On my RV-9A I installed the OAT probe in the left inboard access
panel. It works great and it is removable for inspections and whatever.
There are a few pictures here:
http://www.my9a.com/finish15.asp#090905
Regards,
Mike Schipper
RV-10 #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
0559
On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Dave Leikam wrote:
Has anyone installed their OAT probe on a wing? If so, where and
how? I want to make this decision before I close my wings.
Dave Leikam
40496
N89DA reserved
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| Subject: | bottom wing skin |
As per taking material off the edge that joins to the LE skin, place a stra
ight edge about 1/16" above the edge and mark it with a sharpie. I used a V
ixen file and trimmed about 1/32" off. Rivetting across in horizontal rows
and moving forward as I discussd in the previous post brought the edge tig
ht with no gap.
There is a point where you can take too much material off, remember the dim
pled holes on the skin still have to line up with the countersunk holes in
the spar cap. I noticed that my skin holes were slightly forward of the the
se countersunk holes in the spar cap...so you can go to far and you won't g
ain anything, only a gap in between the skins.
I did not pre bend the skin at the inboard overlap. It layed absolutely fla
t with the inboard skin when rivetted. I don't see how this would take up a
ny slack. All the dimples still need to basically line up.
In my mind it seems that only couteracting these loaded ribs in rivetting o
rder and thinking about how an offset dimple reacts to its dimpled breather
en, is the only way to tighten the skin. The above vixen file does absolute
ly help to a limited extent.
John G.
From: cjhukill@cox.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: bottom
wing skinDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:12:06 -0800
After reading this thread about oil canning of the OB bottom skins, I took
a good look at mine, that are clecoed on, but not yet dimpled. I see consid
erable oil canning, and the forward edge of the skin is tight against the f
orward skin and actually overlapping it slightly in some areas. I obviously
need to trim some off the aft skin, but short of blazing away with a file,
I wonder if anyone knows a way to remove this material and leave a smooth,
strait edge.
I have not put a preload bend in the skin as you would with an overlapping
skin, but I wonder if that would shrink it as well? The plans don't instruc
t you to put the preload bend even on the inboard edge where it overlaps th
e IB skin, but I assume that's just an oversight? Any suggestions?
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | bottom wing skin |
Yes, remeber to de bur the inner and outer edge with your preferred method.
John G
From: cjhukill@cox.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: bottom
wing skinDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:12:06 -0800
After reading this thread about oil canning of the OB bottom skins, I took
a good look at mine, that are clecoed on, but not yet dimpled. I see consid
erable oil canning, and the forward edge of the skin is tight against the f
orward skin and actually overlapping it slightly in some areas. I obviously
need to trim some off the aft skin, but short of blazing away with a file,
I wonder if anyone knows a way to remove this material and leave a smooth,
strait edge.
I have not put a preload bend in the skin as you would with an overlapping
skin, but I wonder if that would shrink it as well? The plans don't instruc
t you to put the preload bend even on the inboard edge where it overlaps th
e IB skin, but I assume that's just an oversight? Any suggestions?
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | bottom wing skin |
use a sanding block or compositie sanding block
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: bottom wing skin
After reading this thread about oil canning of the OB bottom skins, I took a
good look at mine, that are clecoed on, but not yet dimpled. I see
considerable oil canning, and the forward edge of the skin is tight against
the forward skin and actually overlapping it slightly in some areas. I
obviously need to trim some off the aft skin, but short of blazing away with
a file, I wonder if anyone knows a way to remove this material and leave a
smooth, strait edge.
I have not put a preload bend in the skin as you would with an overlapping
skin, but I wonder if that would shrink it as well? The plans don't instruct
you to put the preload bend even on the inboard edge where it overlaps the
IB skin, but I assume that's just an oversight? Any suggestions?
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Strobe and Antenna Wire in Same Conduit |
Has anyone run their Strobe wire and Antenna wire in the same conduit?
Results?
Chuck
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| Subject: | Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? |
Hey all -
I was monkeying around with the install of my LSE ignition box and in
the instructions it says:
On 6-cylinder systems, cooling air should be supplied to the box via the
cooling port on the 15-pin connector side of the ignition module. For
6-cyl. systems that do not have a cooling port, contact LSE for this
modification. Cooling is not required for 4-cyl. systems.
I'm wondering how others routed cooling air into this small (3/8" ish)
tube on the side of the unit? any suggestions?
Thanks!
cj
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net <http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/>
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| Subject: | Re: bottom wing skin |
Chris Hukill wrote:
> snippety snip... I obviously need to trim some off the aft skin, but
> short of blazing away with a file, I wonder if anyone knows a way to
> remove this material and leave a smooth, strait edge....
A word in general about filing skin edges. I know that I didn't have a
clue as to how to easily and quickly file down a skin edge using a file,
particularly a Vixen file (whatever that is). Perhaps everyone else
knows what they are talking about but I think a lot is taken for granted
here. I still am not sure I understand how to properly use a file on a
skin edge but someone took the time to explain via email and the
technique I ended up using really works easily and quickly so I assume
it may be close to the accepted and proper technique.
I place the sheet on a table with the edge overhanging slightly and use
a clamp or two or hold in place. Using a Vixen file from one of the
tool houses, I lay the face of the file on the skin edge. I hold the
file with one hand on the handle and one hand holding the tip. the
length of the file is laid along the skin edge but at a slight angle
(15 degrees maybe) so that my hands don't contact the sheet. Then a
single, smooth stroke from one end to the other. If everything is held
steady, a nice clean cut is made with a significant amount of aluminum
removed. 1,2,or 3 strokes is enough to smooth most edges. Removal of
1/32" may only take 3 or 4 strokes (a wild ass guesstimate since I
haven't measured before - John's technique for measuring sounds correct
to me). Very little dressing is required afterwards to completely
deburr the edge. An edge trimmer will work, or scotchbrite or abrasive
paper for final dressing.
My guess is that just about everyone commenting here knows how to do
this but I know I didn't have a clue until someone clued me in. If
someone wants a photo, send me an email.
Bill "lifetime modeler, woodworker, wing profiler and tinkerer that is
still learning to use basic hand tools while thinking about doing the
QB skins" Watson
Durham NC
40605
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| Subject: | Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
(Its a little off topic since it relates to my RV-9)
Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've heard of
the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff. Simple
Green apparently has issues if used on bare aluminum. There's such a range
of products on Spruce that I don't know where to start ...
Gerry
http://www.n747wg.com
(Haven't opened the box yet.)
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| Subject: | Re: collision avoidance |
The ADS-B transmitters were turned on in Salem, Oregon last Monday and
are working in several eastern seaboard states from Florida through
Washington, DC.
Someone needs to break the stranglehold on Oregon based Garmin so that
"Supply and Demand" makes this a more common of a collision avoidance
system than $7K. The EFIS solution is being solved one RV-10 at a time.
Till then, some are using ZAON patched to their GPS screen.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
This is a scenario where you would be hard pressed to beat ADS-B for
traffic awareness. You are outside of radar control or controllers are
too busy to notice; ADS-B would give you a clear picture of traffic
(altitude, bearing, and direction) without ATC help.
Unfortunately, most people don't understand it, and no one is using it
yet. Not cheap enough yet either, the GDL-90 is about $7K and you need
an EFIS/MFD that displays it.
Also, ground station coverage is only on the east coast right now.
cjay
apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence
in class E.
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> > pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> > Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their
controlled
> > airspace.
> >
> >
> > Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or
Bravo....
> >
> > P
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
winter.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Speaking of the Zaon to the 496..... Anyone tried this yet? Is the
resultant inset readable? I am seriously considering doing this, but only
if I don't have to spend too much heads down time trying to read a tiny
inset screen. Any experiences?
John J
40328
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
The ADS-B transmitters were turned on in Salem, Oregon last Monday and are
working in several eastern seaboard states from Florida through Washington,
DC.
Someone needs to break the stranglehold on Oregon based Garmin so that
"Supply and Demand" makes this a more common of a collision avoidance system
than $7K. The EFIS solution is being solved one RV-10 at a time.
Till then, some are using ZAON patched to their GPS screen.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
This is a scenario where you would be hard pressed to beat ADS-B for traffic
awareness. You are outside of radar control or controllers are too busy to
notice; ADS-B would give you a clear picture of traffic (altitude, bearing,
and direction) without ATC help.
Unfortunately, most people don't understand it, and no one is using it yet.
Not cheap enough yet either, the GDL-90 is about $7K and you need an
EFIS/MFD that displays it.
Also, ground station coverage is only on the east coast right now.
cjay
apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence
in class E.
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> > pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> > Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their
controlled
> > airspace.
> >
> >
> > Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or
Bravo....
> >
> > P
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
winter.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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The methodology from the FED and the FAA is to transfer the
infrastructure cost from an aging, (expensive to maintain) radar based
IFR ATC system to one where the main cost is the components that are
funded by the direct user in the aircraft in the ATC system. RSVM and
Mode S were two such maneuvers.
Awaiting Sen Lott's replacement to give direction to FAA funding after
the first of the new year. Then 12 months before everything goes Topsy
with the new 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue habitant. Would love to see a $3K
box as an alternative to the GDL-90. You all built rack mounts for
those, Right?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
The ADS-B transmitters were turned on in Salem, Oregon last Monday and
are working in several eastern seaboard states from Florida through
Washington, DC.
Someone needs to break the stranglehold on Oregon based Garmin so that
"Supply and Demand" makes this a more common of a collision avoidance
system than $7K. The EFIS solution is being solved one RV-10 at a time.
Till then, some are using ZAON patched to their GPS screen.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
This is a scenario where you would be hard pressed to beat ADS-B for
traffic awareness. You are outside of radar control or controllers are
too busy to notice; ADS-B would give you a clear picture of traffic
(altitude, bearing, and direction) without ATC help.
Unfortunately, most people don't understand it, and no one is using it
yet. Not cheap enough yet either, the GDL-90 is about $7K and you need
an EFIS/MFD that displays it.
Also, ground station coverage is only on the east coast right now.
cjay
apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence
in class E.
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> > pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> > Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their
controlled
> > airspace.
> >
> >
> > Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or
Bravo....
> >
> > P
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
winter.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Query Bruce Radke on his Zaon.
John C
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Collision avoidance
Speaking of the Zaon to the 496..... Anyone tried this yet? Is the
resultant inset readable? I am seriously considering doing this, but
only
if I don't have to spend too much heads down time trying to read a tiny
inset screen. Any experiences?
John J
40328
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
The ADS-B transmitters were turned on in Salem, Oregon last Monday and
are
working in several eastern seaboard states from Florida through
Washington,
DC.
Someone needs to break the stranglehold on Oregon based Garmin so that
"Supply and Demand" makes this a more common of a collision avoidance
system
than $7K. The EFIS solution is being solved one RV-10 at a time.
Till then, some are using ZAON patched to their GPS screen.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
This is a scenario where you would be hard pressed to beat ADS-B for
traffic
awareness. You are outside of radar control or controllers are too busy
to
notice; ADS-B would give you a clear picture of traffic (altitude,
bearing,
and direction) without ATC help.
Unfortunately, most people don't understand it, and no one is using it
yet.
Not cheap enough yet either, the GDL-90 is about $7K and you need an
EFIS/MFD that displays it.
Also, ground station coverage is only on the east coast right now.
cjay
apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence
in class E.
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> > pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> > Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their
controlled
> > airspace.
> >
> >
> > Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or
Bravo....
> >
> > P
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
winter.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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I bought the XRX; it arrives tomorrow. I did learn that , for me, it will be
a standalone unit. To use and see on the GRT screen a serial port IN/OUT is
required. It must be operating at 56KB. On my Sport EFISs, I don't have one
to spare. I will advise the group after a couple of weeks of flying. The MRX
and XRX will sit together on the glare shield of the Glastar. Only the XRX
will sit atop the 10 panel. If they ever provide traffic to the Cheltons I
may have traffic on them.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Collision avoidance
Speaking of the Zaon to the 496..... Anyone tried this yet? Is the
resultant inset readable? I am seriously considering doing this, but only
if I don't have to spend too much heads down time trying to read a tiny
inset screen. Any experiences?
John J
40328
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
The ADS-B transmitters were turned on in Salem, Oregon last Monday and are
working in several eastern seaboard states from Florida through Washington,
DC.
Someone needs to break the stranglehold on Oregon based Garmin so that
"Supply and Demand" makes this a more common of a collision avoidance system
than $7K. The EFIS solution is being solved one RV-10 at a time.
Till then, some are using ZAON patched to their GPS screen.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
This is a scenario where you would be hard pressed to beat ADS-B for traffic
awareness. You are outside of radar control or controllers are too busy to
notice; ADS-B would give you a clear picture of traffic (altitude, bearing,
and direction) without ATC help.
Unfortunately, most people don't understand it, and no one is using it yet.
Not cheap enough yet either, the GDL-90 is about $7K and you need an
EFIS/MFD that displays it.
Also, ground station coverage is only on the east coast right now.
cjay
apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence
in class E.
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> > pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> > Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their
controlled
> > airspace.
> >
> >
> > Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or
Bravo....
> >
> > P
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
winter.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: collision avoidance |
will solve the rack mount when the need arises. My 30 years in the computer
business (prior to retirement) always showed that a smaller, less expensive
, more capable solution was due out next year. And it was (except when
involving the Feds or FAA). But waiting for that meant I go without now.
Perhaps the XRX only solves 90% of the possible traffic problem (transponder
equipped and operating), my eyeballs and ATC radar (operating IFR) will have
to do the remainder. After that we depend on the probability of two aircraft
not operating in the same ocean of air at the same location and same time.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
The methodology from the FED and the FAA is to transfer the infrastructure
cost from an aging, (expensive to maintain) radar based IFR ATC system to
one where the main cost is the components that are funded by the direct user
in the aircraft in the ATC system. RSVM and Mode S were two such
maneuvers.
Awaiting Sen Lott's replacement to give direction to FAA funding after the
first of the new year. Then 12 months before everything goes Topsy with the
new 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue habitant. Would love to see a $3K box as an
alternative to the GDL-90. You all built rack mounts for those, Right?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
The ADS-B transmitters were turned on in Salem, Oregon last Monday and are
working in several eastern seaboard states from Florida through Washington,
DC.
Someone needs to break the stranglehold on Oregon based Garmin so that
"Supply and Demand" makes this a more common of a collision avoidance system
than $7K. The EFIS solution is being solved one RV-10 at a time.
Till then, some are using ZAON patched to their GPS screen.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
This is a scenario where you would be hard pressed to beat ADS-B for traffic
awareness. You are outside of radar control or controllers are too busy to
notice; ADS-B would give you a clear picture of traffic (altitude, bearing,
and direction) without ATC help.
Unfortunately, most people don't understand it, and no one is using it yet.
Not cheap enough yet either, the GDL-90 is about $7K and you need an
EFIS/MFD that displays it.
Also, ground station coverage is only on the east coast right now.
cjay
apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence
in class E.
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> > pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> > Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their
controlled
> > airspace.
> >
> >
> > Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or
Bravo....
> >
> > P
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for
winter.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152823#152823
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
Spruce sells a Simple Green Extreme/Aviation that is supposed to not
be a problem on aluminum.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Gerry Filby wrote:
>
> (Its a little off topic since it relates to my RV-9)
>
> Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've
> heard of
> the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff.
> Simple
> Green apparently has issues if used on bare aluminum. There's such
> a range
> of products on Spruce that I don't know where to start ...
>
> Gerry
> http://www.n747wg.com
> (Haven't opened the box yet.)
>
>
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It's a little too late for my machine, but my dad is looking at the Trutrak
EFIS and I was wondering if anyone has any info on it? The website page is
pretty sparse unfortunately, although it looks impressive at first glance.
Thanks,
Marcus
40286
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| Subject: | Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
It works wonders on my Cherokee 180.....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ?
Spruce sells a Simple Green Extreme/Aviation that is supposed to not
be a problem on aluminum.
do not archive
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There is a reason the data is sparse; the unit is pretty limited in
function. Its primary market seems to be to those who like the round gauge
presentation of the six pack. Navigation functions are expected to be in the
avionics stack. I told their rep at OSH that they would be lucky to recover
the development costs. They don't seem to devote the level of resources
necessary to create and maintain a EFIS product competitive with Dynon, AFS,
or GRT which seem to be at their price level. They do a great job with
autopilots but EFIS developers it seems not.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trutrak EFIS SG
It's a little too late for my machine, but my dad is looking at the Trutrak
EFIS and I was wondering if anyone has any info on it? The website page is
pretty sparse unfortunately, although it looks impressive at first glance.
Thanks,
Marcus
40286
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Solvents. Was:Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
> Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've
> heard of
> the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff...
Generally, organic solvents are to be treated with considerable
respect. i.e. Don't breathe them. Don't get them on your skin. Some
are _relatively_ innocuous, like ethanol. Some are downright
dangerous, like benzene, acetonitrile, and a whole long list of
others. However, _as_organic_solvents_go_, Stoddard solvent does not
strike me as too bad. It's a lot like naphtha paint thinner, but it
evaporates and flashes (catches fire) at a higher temperature and
hence is much safer to use inside buildings. Chemically, it's a
mixture of relatively non-reactive hydrocarbons. Ten to twenty
percent of those hydrocarbons are aromatic (related to benzene and
toluene, etc.), though, and that might reasonably cause some worry,
especially about increasing the likelihood of contracting cancer. A
quick and superficial Google search shows up several sites that
appear to say there's no evidence for increased cancer risk due to
Stoddard solvent exposure. Maybe. caveat emptor. Because of fire
danger, it's a whole lot safer than using gasoline; similar to
kerosene, I'd say. On the whole, it's good stuff, used properly.
If we use solvents, (and, practically speaking, we must) we need each
to set our own standards for exposure limits.
There are OSHA limits that are useful in assessing comparative
toxicity, but who can measure 1 ppm of something in the shop air? Not
me!
Flammability is pretty well known for most solvents. Your insurance
company probably won't approve of most of them for fire reasons.
As a used-to-be chemist, and a cancer survivor (probably caused by
solvents, so they thought at the time) here are some personal
standards. YMMV. It's worth your effort to establish your own. I'm
not suggesting these are even acceptable. Disclaim, disclaim. I have
no connection to anybody selling solvents except to occasionally buy
some at the hardware store.
1. Use gloves every time you handle solvents, except maybe a quick
alcohol wipe. That's triple true for epoxy work. I prefer nitrile
gloves because they slow down most solvents better than other kinds
of gloves that let you retain some finger sensitivity and dexterity.
I think latex is next to useless against the solvents we use.
2. Don't use acetone, MEK, oil and grease remover or lacquer thinner
indoors if you can help it. If you must spray paint indoors, open the
garage doors. Outdoors, keep your snoot away from the vapors and your
skin away from the liquids.
3. _Do not_use gasoline as a solvent indoors, and only very
reluctantly outdoors. Get some Stoddard solvent if you're tempted to
use gasoline. Acetone is a serious fire hazard to, as are many
organic solvents.
4. A well-fitted (yes, fitted) respirator with a fresh activated
carbon cartridge is very good at cutting solvent exposure, but
completely impractical for me because of the difficulty of knowing
the cartridge is effective. I have a supplied-air respirator which
is much more practical and probably more effective, used correctly. I
seldom use either.
5. Wipe up spills immediately, and put solvent-wetted paper towels
where you don't breathe the vapors - outside mostly, sometimes in a
closed container.
Others have posted about Simple Green- the danger in the ordinary
kind is that it contains a chemical base, and will thus expose
aluminum to attack by dissolving its protective oxide layer. Even
painted aluminum will have cracks in the paint, and liquids will
pretty much all wick into cracks and crevices to do their nasty deeds
and will be reluctant to come back out. The reformulated stuff is
allegedly free of the problem.
On Dec 18, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Gerry Filby wrote:
>
> (Its a little off topic since it relates to my RV-9)
>
> Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've
> heard of
> the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff.
> Simple
> Green apparently has issues if used on bare aluminum. There's such
> a range
> of products on Spruce that I don't know where to start ...
>
> Gerry
> http://www.n747wg.com
> (Haven't opened the box yet.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
Mine is in the left NACA vent, and it works great!
grumpy
N184JM
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In a message dated 12/18/2007 11:07:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
billderou@yahoo.com writes:
I installed mine on the wing 18" outside the tip of the propeller in an
inspection plate. Drilled a small hole and sealed with Proseal, added a
connector for servicing. No issues.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
I have not installed mine yet, but plan to install it in the next to most
outboard panel on the left wing.
David Maib
40559
On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Dave Leikam wrote:
Has anyone installed their OAT probe on a wing? If so, where and how? I
want to make this decision before I close my wings.
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Re: VP-200 Update |
Wow! You are at the Empacone and you have alredy purchased a VP-200. I wish I
had such confidence in ANY piece of avionics. I'm at the Fuselage/Finish/Firewall
Forward AND panel wiring and I know that I'm gonna install a GNS-430W but
I still haven't ordered it yet. I guess you plan to build really fast.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
-------- Original Message --------
> All true. New products and companies, particularly those involved in aviation,
should always be viewed with caution -- Caveat Emptor. However, in the case
of Vertical Power, they only bill when ready to ship and they are shipping products
-- this isn't vaporware. I know because I have a VP-200 and a wiring
harness sitting in my workshop. Marc and crew have also been very responsive to
questions and requests for support.
>
> --------
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> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
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| Subject: | Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
A friend gave me a tip to use Scrubbing Bubbles (spray) and it works
GREAT. Spray on, wipe oil off. I have no idea if it has anything bad for
aviation related components. I have only used it a few times.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ?
Spruce sells a Simple Green Extreme/Aviation that is supposed to not
be a problem on aluminum.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Gerry Filby wrote:
>
> (Its a little off topic since it relates to my RV-9)
>
> Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've
> heard of
> the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff.
> Simple
> Green apparently has issues if used on bare aluminum. There's such
> a range
> of products on Spruce that I don't know where to start ...
>
> Gerry
> http://www.n747wg.com
> (Haven't opened the box yet.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Solvents. Was:Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
There is a Simple Green Aviation formula that you can get in concentrated
form, then dilute for the task at hand.
It cuts grease well and does not harm aluminum. Got mine thru Spruce,
although you can order it elsewhere.
grumpy
DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 12/18/2007 8:10:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
johnag5b@cableone.net writes:
Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've heard of
the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff...
Generally, organic solvents are to be treated with considerable respect.
i.e. Don't breathe them. Don't get them on your skin. Some are _relatively_
innocuous, like ethanol. Some are downright dangerous, like benzene,
acetonitrile, and a whole long list of others. However, _as_organic_solvents_go_,
Stoddard solvent does not strike me as too bad. It's a lot like naphtha paint
thinner, but it evaporates and flashes (catches fire) at a higher temperature
and
hence is much safer to use inside buildings. Chemically, it's a mixture of
relatively non-reactive hydrocarbons. Ten to twenty percent of those
hydrocarbons are aromatic (related to benzene and toluene, etc.), though, and
that
might reasonably cause some worry, especially about increasing the likelihood
of
contracting cancer. A quick and superficial Google search shows up several
sites that appear to say there's no evidence for increased cancer risk due to
Stoddard solvent exposure. Maybe. caveat emptor. Because of fire danger,
it's a whole lot safer than using gasoline; similar to kerosene, I'd say. On the
whole, it's good stuff, used properly.
If we use solvents, (and, practically speaking, we must) we need each to set
our own standards for exposure limits.
There are OSHA limits that are useful in assessing comparative toxicity, but
who can measure 1 ppm of something in the shop air? Not me!
Flammability is pretty well known for most solvents. Your insurance company
probably won't approve of most of them for fire reasons.
As a used-to-be chemist, and a cancer survivor (probably caused by
solvents, so they thought at the time) here are some personal standards. YMMV.
It's
worth your effort to establish your own. I'm not suggesting these are even
acceptable. Disclaim, disclaim. I have no connection to anybody selling solvents
except to occasionally buy some at the hardware store.
1. Use gloves every time you handle solvents, except maybe a quick alcohol
wipe. That's triple true for epoxy work. I prefer nitrile gloves because they
slow down most solvents better than other kinds of gloves that let you
retain some finger sensitivity and dexterity. I think latex is next to useless
against the solvents we use.
2. Don't use acetone, MEK, oil and grease remover or lacquer thinner indoors
if you can help it. If you must spray paint indoors, open the garage doors.
Outdoors, keep your snoot away from the vapors and your skin away from the
liquids.
3. _Do not_use gasoline as a solvent indoors, and only very reluctantly
outdoors. Get some Stoddard solvent if you're tempted to use gasoline. Acetone
is
a serious fire hazard to, as are many organic solvents.
4. A well-fitted (yes, fitted) respirator with a fresh activated carbon
cartridge is very good at cutting solvent exposure, but completely impractical
for me because of the difficulty of knowing the cartridge is effective. I have
a supplied-air respirator which is much more practical and probably more
effective, used correctly. I seldom use either.
5. Wipe up spills immediately, and put solvent-wetted paper towels where you
don't breathe the vapors - outside mostly, sometimes in a closed container.
Others have posted about Simple Green- the danger in the ordinary kind is
that it contains a chemical base, and will thus expose aluminum to attack by
dissolving its protective oxide layer. Even painted aluminum will have cracks
in the paint, and liquids will pretty much all wick into cracks and crevices
to do their nasty deeds and will be reluctant to come back out. The
reformulated stuff is allegedly free of the problem.
On Dec 18, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Gerry Filby wrote:
(mailto:gerf@gerf.com) >
(Its a little off topic since it relates to my RV-9)
Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've heard of
the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff. Simple
Green apparently has issues if used on bare aluminum. There's such a range
of products on Spruce that I don't know where to start ...
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? |
CJ,
I bought a 3 port blower fan from Stein. I will use the other ports for the
Avionics LRU's and one for the Lightspeed.
Zack
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| Subject: | Re: collision avoidance |
Since there is nothing proprietary about ADS-B, how does "Oregon based Garmin"
have a "stranglehold?"
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those
who matter don't mind."
-- Dr. Suess
-------- Original Message --------
>
> The ADS-B transmitters were turned on in Salem, Oregon last Monday and
> are working in several eastern seaboard states from Florida through
> Washington, DC.
>
> Someone needs to break the stranglehold on Oregon based Garmin so that
> "Supply and Demand" makes this a more common of a collision avoidance
> system than $7K. The EFIS solution is being solved one RV-10 at a time.
> Till then, some are using ZAON patched to their GPS screen.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: collision avoidance
>
>
> This is a scenario where you would be hard pressed to beat ADS-B for
> traffic awareness. You are outside of radar control or controllers are
> too busy to notice; ADS-B would give you a clear picture of traffic
> (altitude, bearing, and direction) without ATC help.
>
> Unfortunately, most people don't understand it, and no one is using it
> yet. Not cheap enough yet either, the GDL-90 is about $7K and you need
> an EFIS/MFD that displays it.
>
> Also, ground station coverage is only on the east coast right now.
>
> cjay
>
>
> apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > And on one of the occasions he said he was above the class D...hence
> in class E.
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2007 6:54 AM, wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 12/16/2007 1:30:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
> > > Playing Devils Advocate here ...... you were outside of their
> controlled
> > > airspace.
> > >
> > >
> > > Class D is advisory for traffic not control as in Class Alpha or
> Bravo....
> > >
> > > P
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
What about good old Windex or 409? I do not know if either of these would
hurt AL however. They are both good, mild grease cutters.
Dave Leikam
40496
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ?
>
> (Its a little off topic since it relates to my RV-9)
>
> Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've heard
> of
> the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff. Simple
> Green apparently has issues if used on bare aluminum. There's such a
> range
> of products on Spruce that I don't know where to start ...
>
> Gerry
> http://www.n747wg.com
> (Haven't opened the box yet.)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
If you install the OAT anywhere inside the propeller diameter from front to tail
it will be 10-15 deg F high. This is not important for the EIS (or other) engine
monitor but it is very important for an EFIS or air data computer to calculate
true airspeed correctly.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
Mine is in the left NACA vent, and it works great!
grumpy
N184JM
DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 12/18/2007 11:07:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, billderou@yahoo.com
writes:
I installed mine on the wing 18" outside the tip of the propeller in an inspection
plate. Drilled a small hole and sealed with Proseal, added a connector
for servicing. No issues.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
I have not installed mine yet, but plan to install it in the next to most outboard
panel on the left wing.
David Maib
40559
On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Dave Leikam wrote:
Has anyone installed their OAT probe on a wing? If so, where and how? I want
to make this decision before I close my wings.
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
Windex contains ammonia, which is bad for aircraft and plexi. IIRC 409
also is corrosive.
On Dec 18, 2007 8:53 PM, Dave Leikam <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> What about good old Windex or 409? I do not know if either of these would
> hurt AL however. They are both good, mild grease cutters.
>
> Dave Leikam
> 40496
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:35 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ?
>
>
> >
> > (Its a little off topic since it relates to my RV-9)
> >
> > Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've heard
> > of
> > the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff. Simple
> > Green apparently has issues if used on bare aluminum. There's such a
> > range
> > of products on Spruce that I don't know where to start ...
> >
> > Gerry
> > http://www.n747wg.com
> > (Haven't opened the box yet.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ? |
Joe Zac suggested WD-40 sometime back. Works great.
Anh
N591VU-115hrs
In the middile of Condition Inspection
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ?
>
>
>
> Windex contains ammonia, which is bad for aircraft and plexi. IIRC 409
> also is corrosive.
>
> On Dec 18, 2007 8:53 PM, Dave Leikam <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> What about good old Windex or 409? I do not know if either of these
>> would
>> hurt AL however. They are both good, mild grease cutters.
>>
>> Dave Leikam
>> 40496
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:35 PM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Favorite greasy belly cleaner ?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > (Its a little off topic since it relates to my RV-9)
>> >
>> > Do you guys have a favorite cleaner for the "greasy belly" ? I've
>> > heard
>> > of
>> > the Stoddard cleaner which is supposed to be pretty evil stuff. Simple
>> > Green apparently has issues if used on bare aluminum. There's such a
>> > range
>> > of products on Spruce that I don't know where to start ...
>> >
>> > Gerry
>> > http://www.n747wg.com
>> > (Haven't opened the box yet.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
not to mention the "i" word.
John Ackerman 40458 Plugging along
do not arcive
On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> If you install the OAT anywhere inside the propeller diameter from
> front to tail it will be 10-15 deg F high. This is not important
> for the EIS (or other) engine monitor but it is very important for
> an EFIS or air data computer to calculate true airspeed correctly.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
> GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
> Mine is in the left NACA vent, and it works great!
>
> grumpy
> N184JM
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> In a message dated 12/18/2007 11:07:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> billderou@yahoo.com writes:
> I installed mine on the wing 18" outside the tip of the propeller
> in an inspection plate. Drilled a small hole and sealed with
> Proseal, added a connector for servicing. No issues.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
> David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
> I have not installed mine yet, but plan to install it in the next
> to most outboard panel on the left wing.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
>
> On Dec 17, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Dave Leikam wrote:
>
> Has anyone installed their OAT probe on a wing? If so, where and
> how? I want to make this decision before I close my wings.
>
> Dave Leikam
> 40496
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