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1. 04:52 AM - Re: Tailcone - F1010a Question (Patrick ONeill)
2. 05:02 AM - Gretz Pitot Instructions (Patrick ONeill)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: Gretz Pitot Instructions (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 05:42 AM - Re: Gretz Pitot Instructions (Tim Olson)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: Gretz Pitot Instructions (Ben Westfall)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Console above tunnel (linn Walters)
7. 09:34 AM - XRX PCAS initial impressions (David McNeill)
8. 03:20 PM - oil canning revisited (PILOTDDS@aol.com)
9. 03:22 PM - Re: Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? (PILOTDDS@aol.com)
10. 03:32 PM - Re: Merry Christmas (McGANN, Ron)
11. 04:13 PM - Re: Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? (Mark Ritter)
12. 04:34 PM - Re: Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? (PILOTDDS@aol.com)
13. 05:01 PM - Re: oil canning revisited (Ben Westfall)
14. 05:35 PM - Re: Tailcone - F1010a Question (Stephen Blank)
15. 06:52 PM - Gretz pitot instructions (Dave Leikam)
16. 08:05 PM - A Moment of Silence for our First Family (John W. Cox)
17. 08:50 PM - Re: A Moment of Silence for our First Family (Pascal)
18. 09:06 PM - oil canning reveised/revisted. (John Gonzalez)
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| Subject: | Tailcone - F1010a Question |
I went kind of picture happy when doing the tailcone. I took lots of
pictures of all those oddball tail pieces from every angle.
Here is a close up of F1010A that should help:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=1823
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715 / N690CT
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blank
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone - F1010a Question
I am working on the tail cone... and i am not sure if i cut the F1010A angle
aluminum the right way. Or maybe i should say, i know i cut the tapered end
short..
Does anyone have picture of the finished part or the part in place???
Thanks - Steve
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Stephen G. Blank, DDS RV-10 #40449
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
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| Subject: | Gretz Pitot Instructions |
I'm about ready to do the Gretz Pitot install and can't find my copy of the
instructions. Does anyone happen to have an electronic copy? I could not
find one on he Gretz Aero site. I don't need the mounting bracket
instructions, those ones I found. I am looking for the one that has the
wiring diagrams for the pitot itself.
Also, is there any consensus as to which bay is optimal from the standpoint
of accuracy, ease of maintenance and tie-down clearance?
How have people been going about doing the cutout for the bottom skin? The
bracket instructions don't seem to provide any guidance for that step.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715/ N690CT
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| Subject: | Re: Gretz Pitot Instructions |
On my 6A, I put it on the outboard bay of the access panel. Then I
moved my tie-down mount one bay outboard so they wouldn't cross paths.
The instructions didn't do anything for me on the cutout either. I used
the bracket plate as a template after I match drilled the holes - then
opened it up with a grinder bit.
The wiring instructions were part of the pitot tube itself - I've got
mine at the hangar (will try to remember) - but IIRC it didn't tell you
which was + or -. I just made a decision and wired it up - neither pin
was grounded. Mine works fine.
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick ONeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:56 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Gretz Pitot Instructions
I'm about ready to do the Gretz Pitot install and can't find my copy
of the instructions. Does anyone happen to have an electronic copy? I
could not find one on he Gretz Aero site. I don't need the mounting
bracket instructions, those ones I found. I am looking for the one that
has the wiring diagrams for the pitot itself.
Also, is there any consensus as to which bay is optimal from the
standpoint of accuracy, ease of maintenance and tie-down clearance?
How have people been going about doing the cutout for the bottom skin?
The bracket instructions don't seem to provide any guidance for that
step.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715/ N690CT
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| Subject: | Re: Gretz Pitot Instructions |
Patrick, try these:
http://www.myrv10.com/files/misc/Gretz_Aero_instructions2.pdf
http://www.myrv10.com/files/misc/Gretz_Pitot_Tube_Mounting_Kit.pdf
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Patrick ONeill wrote:
> Im about ready to do the Gretz Pitot install and cant find my copy of
> the instructions. Does anyone happen to have an electronic copy? I
> could not find one on he Gretz Aero site. I dont need the mounting
> bracket instructions, those ones I found. I am looking for the one that
> has the wiring diagrams for the pitot itself.
>
>
>
> Also, is there any consensus as to which bay is optimal from the
> standpoint of accuracy, ease of maintenance and tie-down clearance?
>
>
>
> How have people been going about doing the cutout for the bottom skin?
> The bracket instructions dont seem to provide any guidance for that step.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Patrick #40715/ N690CT
>
> *
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| Subject: | Gretz Pitot Instructions |
Patrick,
I'll borrow a quote from John Cox for you on this "Make sure you take off
your builder hat and put on your repairman/serviceman hat.".
Although not technically that difficult to install think about maintaining
it after installation. I did not think about install or location when I cut
the holes for my bracket which I ended up putting it in the stock Van's
pitot location. It worked out ok but I had several technical hurdles to
overcome.
The copper tube coming out of the pitot tube itself came straight up into
the aileron torque tube requiring a healthy bend to maintain clearance while
the tube moved fore and aft. The mounting locations for the circuit board
in this location are sub optimal for ease of wire installation and
maintenance due to the aileron pushrod and bellcrank parts. Think about
threading the wires up through the pitot tube hole and guiding them into
their install location on the circuit board and then tightening the
miniature screws. You also have to secure the aluminum pitot line to the
copper line through an inspection hole after installing the bottom wing
skins.
Pictures of my installation can be found here:
http://www.sinkrate.com/rv10/pics.asp?f=wings|pitot
I ended up making short length wires and connectors that I could attach to
the circuit board prior to closing up the wing. I used a locking 2 wire
molex plug for the power wires and dean's plug for the thermistor wires. My
thoughts were to make the actual installation of the tube into the finished
wing easier. One thing to think about too is what happens to moisture that
may accumulate on the wires? The circuit board should be on the top side of
the wing so all wire runs coming out of the unprotected holes are not
subject to water droplets running down the wires and into their attach
points. I am considering encasing the wires in silicone but have not yet
done that.
If anyone has more questions or thinks I f'd something up please let me
know!
-Ben Westfall
#40579
N109LB (reserved)
PDX
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick ONeill
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 4:56 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Gretz Pitot Instructions
I'm about ready to do the Gretz Pitot install and can't find my copy of the
instructions. Does anyone happen to have an electronic copy? I could not
find one on he Gretz Aero site. I don't need the mounting bracket
instructions, those ones I found. I am looking for the one that has the
wiring diagrams for the pitot itself.
Also, is there any consensus as to which bay is optimal from the standpoint
of accuracy, ease of maintenance and tie-down clearance?
How have people been going about doing the cutout for the bottom skin? The
bracket instructions don't seem to provide any guidance for that step.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715/ N690CT
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Console above tunnel |
John Gonzalez wrote:
> Lynn,
>
> I have to agree with Dave, there should never be a time when the
> sticks should interfere with any other structure. Yes, most likely we
> will never use full deflection at any reasonable time in our flying,
> but it would be hard to remember this tid bit of information when say
> trying to avoid a surprise...as in midair collision. So one forgets,
> and then in your haste, you realized you survived the crash but the
> stick is stuck underneath something and you can't get it to go the
> other way.
>
> Yes stastically it won't happen, but because it can, gives reason to
> consider it strongly.
>
> JOhn G.
Now I'll agree that having it get stuck UNDER the panel would be bad,
and cause for fixing ....... such as adding something that would prevent
it's travel ..... such as a stop on the stick. I really wasn't
advocating leaving it in that 'bad' situation ..... but I didn't say
so. My point was that we get mired down in getting full movement of the
stick when it's not really necessary in some quadrants. If we are doing
aerobatics, then full stick deflection everywhere is desireable ......
but even my Pitts has stops on aileron and elevator. Well, the rudder
has one too ..... the pedal hits the firewall! :-D
We agree that safety is the prime directive and allowing the plane to
say 'I got it' or 'my airplane' doesn't fall in that category.
Linn
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| Subject: | XRX PCAS initial impressions |
I have flown a couple of flights with both the MRX and XRX sitting adjacent
on the panel. Some observations: Traffic is certainly easier to spot given
the relative bearing. In the mountains, overflying Boeings strobed the
transponder and provided indications of traffic. I primarily use screen B on
the unit; it provides a God's eye view of top three threats and detail info
on the top threat. The MRX and XRX have slightly different threat
algorithms. Aircraft aft of my aircraft seem to given less weight in the
threat analysis software in the XRX.
Two caveats: Be sure and calibrate the magnetometer as the screen B display
will be unintelligible Also calibration can be done in flight setting the
autopilot on a 000 GPS track in smooth air.
Wait until they improve the connection cable. I found that the first XRX
unit they sent would shut off automatically intermittently. Although not
conclusive at this point I believe that the voltage drop on their very small
power cable is causing the power problems. They use the same power cable as
the MRX which requires 20-25% of the power of the XRX. Although I have not
determined the wire size, the pin size for the connector is .7mm (.027
inch). Although the specs say that the XRX will run on any voltage from
10-40 VDC; the reality is that it won't run on a 12VDC battery very
reliably. Things go downhill rapidly if the source battery supplies 11-12
VDC to the cigarette lighter adapter.
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| Subject: | oil canning revisited |
Was anybody succesful at improving or eliminating the bottom wing skin oil
canning by simply shaving the edge of the skin and reriveting or do I need to
replace the whole skin.I have two panels with unacceptably loose skin.I reread
the thread and was unclear about others succeses.Thanks ---Jim 728DD 175hours
711
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? |
For those of us with older lightspeeds Klaus wants them returned for internal
updates as well as a provision for cooling tubes.I should have put those
boxes where they were easier to get to.
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I'm still on wife number one after 27 years - guess I picked a keeper. But
if it takes me another 3 1/2 years to finish, I guess I'll be flying the -
10 solo!
cheers,
Ron
-187 finishing (but in the hangar now)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Fri 21/12/2007 17:21
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Merry Christmas
Deems,
i gotta tell you, i personally think you shoulda told em you got a
bad mushroom out of the garden...;)
I wish you the best of luck, and hope i can continue to enjoy watching your
progress.
I have a friend who's back in the air in little over a year and a half after
having a heart attack and splints installed. if nothing else, it shows the
rewards of a good physician and lots of patients.
ALSO AS A SIDE NOTE, is it ME or does it seem that most contributing listers
have admitted to multiple marriages? I fear I may be unqualified to be an
rv10 builder being still on my first. Spending all the late nights in the
hangar i thought was good for a relationship because you couldn't disagree.
(hehe, i am on the right path aren't I??)
Merry Christmas
Steven dinieri
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Over the past 2 1/2 years this list has grown to become my aviation family,
and so it's only fitting that I pause and THANK YOU all for the help and
support I've received from you and to wish you a MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY
NEW YEAR
Deems Davis #406
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| Subject: | Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? |
What's the definition of an "older Lightspeed"? I've had my Plasma 111 goi
ng on three years.
Thanks
Mark
RV-10/N410MR
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al updates as well as a provision for cooling tubes.I should have put those
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling tube on lightspeed ignition box? |
If it didnt come with a provision for a cooling tube you are effected.Three
years is about the timeline, although Klaus was not specific to the date.
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| Subject: | oil canning revisited |
John,
I re-read many of the posts in the thread as well as your first one. Your
first post you said this:
"I will say that after I got the J channel rivetted and the aft portions of
the ribs completed, I rivetted the skin at the main spar, as I was worried
that if I kept working forward I would prevent the skin from laying flat on
the spar and it might get hung up on the edge of the forward(L.E.) skin."
I think this was your issue. You really want to work your way up one rivet
at a time. After completion of the aft half of the ribs you should be able
to cleco everything in its final place. There should be a small gap (1/32"
at the most) between the leading edge or gas tank skins and the CLECO'd
bottom skin. This gap just about completely closes up when you rivet your
way up a rib (If you work upward one hole at a time). I would not bounce
from one rib to the next just complete one rib at a time. This helps push
any excess out towards the ends. If the skin edges are pressed together
tightly you did not remove enough material and risk oil canning.
Mine went together w/o any oil canning. I spent about 5 to 10 minutes on
each bottom skin with a file removing the slightest bit of material from the
skin edge (mostly just the machining marks from stamping out the skins). It
really didn't take that long. Attached is a picture of the gap after
riveting between the bottom skin and the gas tank. The space is less than a
64th I would say pretty much all the way down the entire wing.
Is it correctable now??? I don't know what to tell you.
-Ben
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PILOTDDS@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: oil canning revisited
Was anybody succesful at improving or eliminating the bottom wing skin oil
canning by simply shaving the edge of the skin and reriveting or do I need
to replace the whole skin.I have two panels with unacceptably loose skin.I
reread the thread and was unclear about others succeses.Thanks ---Jim 728DD
175hours
711
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone - F1010a Question |
Patrick,
Thanks... Now i know i goofed up. I read the diagram to show the
vertical piece as having a notch, and the top piece angeled to match the
fues sides..... your viesw make this seem simple and it does not seem
critical at the ends, but only where the holes are punched. The ends only
need to allow the skins to fit by, is that right???? Boy did i confuse my
self on a simple part... - Steve
On Dec 22, 2007 7:51 AM, Patrick ONeill <poneill@irealms.com> wrote:
> I went kind of picture happy when doing the tailcone. I took lots of
> pictures of all those oddball tail pieces from every angle.
>
>
> Here is a close up of F1010A that should help:
>
>
> http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=1823
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Patrick #40715 / N690CT
>
> Stephen G. Blank, DDS #40499
> 184 NW Central Park Plaza
> Port St. Lucie, FL 34986
>
> 772-475-5556 >>> Cell
> 772-878-7347 Office
>
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| Subject: | Gretz pitot instructions |
I used the mount for a template and drilled and traced for the hole
after clecoing it over the skin. Then I used my step drill to enlarge
the mount hole. Then trimmed the hole to the line with my dremel. I
mounted the thing in the bay just outboard from the aileron inspection
cover. The circuit board is mounted to the inspection cover itself.
Makes the wire connections easy to get at.
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | A Moment of Silence for our First Family |
Everyone here in the Pacific NW RV-10 builder group has been great at
showing their respect for Randy and Cheryl DeBauw's privacy in their
time of family tragedy.
Tomorrow will be the Private Service for Kimberly Lynn Osbrink (DeBauw),
their daughter, who died tragically early Monday morning, December 17th,
2007. The service will be on Sunday, December 23rd, 2PM at Saint Luke
Lutheran Church, 6835 SW 46th Avenue, Portland, Oregon. Donations have
been gathered by the members of EAA Chapter 105 for a floral wreath and
card.
Those of you who are new to the RV-10 community might reflect on the
fact that Randy and Cheryl completed the very first, plans built RV-10
and flew it on May 20th, 2005 - N610RV. Randy (#40006) and his build
partner John Hilger of Bend, Oregon (#40359) finished without delay by
following VANS written directions to the letter. The DeBauw build
became the backbone for Tim Olson's (#40170) amazing MYRV10.COM website
and our group migration from Yahoo over to Matronics that year.
Randy and Cheryl's daughter Kim is also survived by her husband, Ryan, a
decorated U.S. Marine from the Iraq War ( and Bronze Star recipient),
her sister Jennifer Debauw, grandfathers George Blinco and Jim DeBauw
along with Kim's beloved Bulldog "Gus". Kim had served as the Manager
at Healthy Pets in West Linn, Oregon. The family has directed further
contributions and remembrances be sent to the Cascade BullDog
Rescue/Rehome in Buckley, Washington.
<<Kimberly Debauw.jpg>>
Kimberly Lynn (23 years young) July
16th, 1984 to December 17th, 2007
Our prayers continue for the DeBauw family and her husband, Ryan along
with the entire Osbrink family.
John Cox (#40600)
<<RandysPlane.jpg>>
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| Subject: | Re: A Moment of Silence for our First Family |
A Moment of Silence for our First FamilyA very sad story indeed for the
families. especially her husband.
They are in our prayers
Pascal
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From: John W. Cox
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: A Moment of Silence for our First Family
Everyone here in the Pacific NW RV-10 builder group has been great at
showing their respect for Randy and Cheryl DeBauw's privacy in their
time of family tragedy.
Tomorrow will be the Private Service for Kimberly Lynn Osbrink
(DeBauw), their daughter, who died tragically early Monday morning,
December 17th, 2007. The service will be on Sunday, December 23rd, 2PM
at Saint Luke Lutheran Church, 6835 SW 46th Avenue, Portland, Oregon.
Donations have been gathered by the members of EAA Chapter 105 for a
floral wreath and card.
Those of you who are new to the RV-10 community might reflect on the
fact that Randy and Cheryl completed the very first, plans built RV-10
and flew it on May 20th, 2005 - N610RV. Randy (#40006) and his build
partner John Hilger of Bend, Oregon (#40359) finished without delay by
following VANS written directions to the letter. The DeBauw build
became the backbone for Tim Olson's (#40170) amazing MYRV10.COM website
and our group migration from Yahoo over to Matronics that year.
Randy and Cheryl's daughter Kim is also survived by her husband, Ryan,
a decorated U.S. Marine from the Iraq War ( and Bronze Star recipient),
her sister Jennifer Debauw, grandfathers George Blinco and Jim DeBauw
along with Kim's beloved Bulldog "Gus". Kim had served as the Manager
at Healthy Pets in West Linn, Oregon. The family has directed further
contributions and remembrances be sent to the Cascade BullDog
Rescue/Rehome in Buckley, Washington.
<<Kimberly Debauw.jpg>>
Kimberly Lynn (23 years young) July 16th, 1984 to
December 17th, 2007
Our prayers continue for the DeBauw family and her husband, Ryan along
with the entire Osbrink family.
John Cox (#40600)
<<RandysPlane.jpg>>
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| Subject: | oil canning reveised/revisted. |
Sorry I am not able to hit the reply bottom as something is seriously wrong
with my computer.
As for the loose skin/oil canning areas, I'll bet it is the square just aft
of the main spar, one outboard of the outer most access panel and then the
square, aft of the main spar, 2nd inboard of the last outboard access pane
l.
As for when I started this post, my skins on my first wing(Left one) were n
ot tight in several locations just aft of the main spar. I had not complete
ly rivetted the entire bottom skin in place and had only completed step 11.
I opted to remove the rivets from the main spar all the way aft to the, bu
t not including the J channel. Again all my skins were tight aft of the J c
hannel. I then re revitted the forward section doing the hopscotch method,
never moving forward until all rivets in the horizontal row were completed.
I had also trimmed the edge the joins with the LE skin. The results this s
econd time were better, but I still have some oil canning in the above two
bays, with the bottom skin completely closed up....these correspond to the
two bays where the ribs naturally lean into each other, or should I say pul
l toward one another.
This weekend I completed the right wing up to step 11, I am waiting on my A
OA sub kit and can't finish right now. Again see other passed post for what
I am doing as per rib order, working down and outward and inward at the sa
me time. I will post my result after the wing is closed. So far the right w
ing skin is very tight aft of the J channel, but so was the left one.
The difference so far on this second wing, I haven't made one ding yet XXXX
X crossed fingers. The 8 inch rivet set extension from Avery is a must arou
nd those flap brackets and buy another flush set with the rubber and put it
on the disk sander and make a flat spot on one side so the set can get up
to the rivet which is so close to the flap bracket.
Will let you know how second one comes out once completed.
JOhn G.
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