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1. 07:32 AM - Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount (johngoodman)
2. 07:49 AM - Garmin 480 (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
3. 08:24 AM - Re: Garmin 480 (Rick Sked)
4. 08:39 AM - Re: Garmin 480 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
5. 08:58 AM - Re: Garmin 480 (Tim Olson)
6. 09:05 AM - Re: Garmin 480 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount (Marcus Cooper)
8. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount (John Ackerman)
9. 02:13 PM - Re: Garmin 480 (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
10. 04:15 PM - Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount (johngoodman)
11. 08:51 PM - tailcone wiring (Ben Westfall)
12. 09:53 PM - Weight after paint (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount |
AirMike wrote:
> Am I stupid or am I missing something
>
> I know that it would be a good idea to check the QB work and have a placement
for my MB and transponder antennas, but why take up the floorboards. I think
that they are already primed. Carpet with some foam backing will provide front
insulation..... splain me
AirMike,
I've wondered the same thing myself. If inspection is the only purpose, then why
not cut an inspection port? Make it large enough to get your hand in and you
have access to install antennas. To close the port up, get one of those plastic
round caps the post office uses for tube mailers. If strength is degraded,
then screw a top plate on it.
To me it's like the QB wings: the bottom skin was put on by the QB folks so that
you can't easily rivet the flap fairings. Big deal, that's what CherryMax rivets
are for.
Just my opinion,
John
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I'm surprised the 480 lasted this long.
I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin
purchase of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects.
L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT. They would
have inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off
the bat.
TDT
40025
Main wheelpants done!
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
"Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite."
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Not lasting is one thing, not supporting it is another. Software upgrades I
'm not so concerned about as long as mine remains functional, databases upg
rades from Jepp=C2-I am concerned about.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:48:40 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480
I=99m surprised the 480 lasted this long.
I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin purcha
se of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects.=C2-
L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT.=C2- They woul
d have inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off t
he bat.
TDT
40025
Main wheelpants done!
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
"Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite."
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I'm sure there are plenty of us in that boat. All we can do is look to
other products (like the GX-50 & GX-60) which still get Jepp DB support
even though they were abandoned when the acquisition of UPSAT by Garmin
was completed.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 480
Not lasting is one thing, not supporting it is another. Software
upgrades I'm not so concerned about as long as mine remains functional,
databases upgrades from Jepp I am concerned about.
Rick S.
40185
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From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:48:40 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480
I'm surprised the 480 lasted this long.
I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin
purchase of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects.
L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT. They would
have inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off
the bat.
TDT
40025
Main wheelpants done!
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
"Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite."
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Yeah, if anything it makes me happy that I was able to get one before
it was gone. It's a better Nav/Com than others. Particularly since
I don't really need any new features, and Jepp won't drop database
support (which I also don't desperately need). It's just nice to have
been able to get one. At least they're adding features to the 430W,
so in the end that radio is a huge step above the old 430 anyway.
These days though, it's nicer to have all that nav function on an
EFIS or a good MFD, because doing it all on a tiny Nav/Com screen
is a pain.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick Sked wrote:
> Not lasting is one thing, not supporting it is another. Software
> upgrades I'm not so concerned about as long as mine remains functional,
> databases upgrades from Jepp I am concerned about.
>
> Rick S.
>
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:48:40 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480
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> Im surprised the 480 lasted this long.
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>
> I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin
> purchase of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects.
>
> L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT. They would
> have inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off
> the bat.
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>
> TDT
>
> 40025
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> Main wheelpants done!
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> Tim Dawson-Townsend
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> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
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> 617-500-4812 (office)
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> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
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It's probably safe to say that as long as the demand is there, Jepp will co
ntinue updates. One of the few advantages to having a outside supplier for
the updated database. Happy New Year everyone!
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 480
I'm sure there are plenty of us in that boat. All we can do is look to oth
er products (like the GX-50 & GX-60) which still get Jepp DB support even t
hough they were abandoned when the acquisition of UPSAT by Garmin was compl
eted.
Bob #40105
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 480
Not lasting is one thing, not supporting it is another. Software upgrades I
'm not so concerned about as long as mine remains functional, databases upg
rades from Jepp I am concerned about.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:48:40 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480
I'm surprised the 480 lasted this long.
I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin purcha
se of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects.
L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT. They would hav
e inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off the ba
t.
TDT
40025
Main wheelpants done!
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
"Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite."
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| Subject: | Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount |
I found the same thing, several old clecos and some junk. It's definitely
worth looking at the area under the floorboards and putting sound proofing
against the bottom skin makes a huge difference in my opinion.
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount
In my case it was nice to clean out the extra tools that they
left under there. They sent me an assortment of clecos
and drill bits unintentionally.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
AirMike wrote:
>
> Am I stupid or am I missing something
>
> I know that it would be a good idea to check the QB work and have a
> placement for my MB and transponder antennas, but why take up the
> floorboards. I think that they are already primed. Carpet with some
> foam backing will provide front insulation..... splain me
>
> -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155468#155468
>
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| Subject: | Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount |
I agree, but put the sound insulation on the bottom of the floorboard
rather than the bottom skin so that it can't trap water...
John Ackerman 40458 do not archive
On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> I found the same thing, several old clecos and some junk. It's
> definitely
> worth looking at the area under the floorboards and putting sound
> proofing
> against the bottom skin makes a huge difference in my opinion.
>
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:21 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and
> gear mount
>
>
> In my case it was nice to clean out the extra tools that they
> left under there. They sent me an assortment of clecos
> and drill bits unintentionally.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> AirMike wrote:
>>
>> Am I stupid or am I missing something
>>
>> I know that it would be a good idea to check the QB work and have a
>> placement for my MB and transponder antennas, but why take up the
>> floorboards. I think that they are already primed. Carpet with some
>> foam backing will provide front insulation..... splain me
>>
>> -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155468#155468
>>
>
>
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In a message dated 1/2/2008 12:56:02 PM Central Standard Time,
bob.condrey@baesystems.com writes:
All we can do is look to other products (like the GX-50 & GX-60) which still
get Jepp DB support even though they were abandoned when the acquisition of
UPSAT by Garmin was completed.
Or the 300xl from Garmin that Jepp still sells updates to...
P
(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
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| Subject: | Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount |
OK, I went and pulled the bedsheets off of my QB Fuselage and took a good look.
A total of 12 pull rivets holding down each of the aft passenger floorboards.
I can see where it would be tricky to pull it because of all the AN470 rivet
heads, etc. I'll go through the plans tomorrow and figure out what's underneath.
There must be something I'm missing because I don't see why it's such a problem.
I'll get back tomorrow.
John
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I am getting ready to attach the tailcone to the fuselage but I figure it
would be better / easier to run all the wires for the items in the tail
while I can still crawl into it before it's attached. I was thinking about
running conduit through the bulkheads down one side and pre running wires
within it (or at least string).
Items for wiring
Nav Antenna
Tail Nav light
Tail Strobe light
Pitch Trim Servo wiring
ELT
Does anyone have any pictures of how they routed their wiring?
-Ben Westfall
#40579
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| Subject: | Weight after paint |
921AC is out of the paint shop (a couple weeks ago, actually). I like the
way it turned out. It's not a show winner but the overall quality is good
and the weight is less than expected. We'll have some better pictures up
soon.
I decided to polish the wings instead of painting, mostly to save weight. I
had another polished plane and it held up pretty well.
The white paint is Jet Glow single stage. The yellow and gray are
color/clear coat.
I weighed the plane right before and after. With an average amount of body
work and filling, the empty weight went from 1588 to 1598. I think painting
the wings would have added another 10 lbs at least. This was a lot less
than I expected. I've weighed a few others before and after, and I was
expecting more like 20-25 lbs.
I set a goal of 1600 for the empty weight, so after the interior goes in
later this month, I'm now hoping it won't be much more than 1625. Close
enough.
Happy New Year!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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