---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/02/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:32 AM - Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount (johngoodman) 2. 07:49 AM - Garmin 480 (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 3. 08:24 AM - Re: Garmin 480 (Rick Sked) 4. 08:39 AM - Re: Garmin 480 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 5. 08:58 AM - Re: Garmin 480 (Tim Olson) 6. 09:05 AM - Re: Garmin 480 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 7. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount (Marcus Cooper) 8. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount (John Ackerman) 9. 02:13 PM - Re: Garmin 480 (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 10. 04:15 PM - Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount (johngoodman) 11. 08:51 PM - tailcone wiring (Ben Westfall) 12. 09:53 PM - Weight after paint (Dave Saylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:42 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount From: "johngoodman" AirMike wrote: > Am I stupid or am I missing something > > I know that it would be a good idea to check the QB work and have a placement for my MB and transponder antennas, but why take up the floorboards. I think that they are already primed. Carpet with some foam backing will provide front insulation..... splain me AirMike, I've wondered the same thing myself. If inspection is the only purpose, then why not cut an inspection port? Make it large enough to get your hand in and you have access to install antennas. To close the port up, get one of those plastic round caps the post office uses for tube mailers. If strength is degraded, then screw a top plate on it. To me it's like the QB wings: the bottom skin was put on by the QB folks so that you can't easily rivet the flap fairings. Big deal, that's what CherryMax rivets are for. Just my opinion, John -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155532#155532 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:09 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480 From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" I'm surprised the 480 lasted this long. I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin purchase of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects. L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT. They would have inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off the bat. TDT 40025 Main wheelpants done! Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) "Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:04 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 480 Not lasting is one thing, not supporting it is another. Software upgrades I 'm not so concerned about as long as mine remains functional, databases upg rades from Jepp=C2-I am concerned about. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:48:40 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480 I=99m surprised the 480 lasted this long. I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin purcha se of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects.=C2- L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT.=C2- They woul d have inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off t he bat. TDT 40025 Main wheelpants done! Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) "Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite." ==== ======================= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 480 From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I'm sure there are plenty of us in that boat. All we can do is look to other products (like the GX-50 & GX-60) which still get Jepp DB support even though they were abandoned when the acquisition of UPSAT by Garmin was completed. Bob #40105 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 480 Not lasting is one thing, not supporting it is another. Software upgrades I'm not so concerned about as long as mine remains functional, databases upgrades from Jepp I am concerned about. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:48:40 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480 I'm surprised the 480 lasted this long. I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin purchase of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects. L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT. They would have inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off the bat. TDT 40025 Main wheelpants done! Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) "Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite." blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:23 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 480 Yeah, if anything it makes me happy that I was able to get one before it was gone. It's a better Nav/Com than others. Particularly since I don't really need any new features, and Jepp won't drop database support (which I also don't desperately need). It's just nice to have been able to get one. At least they're adding features to the 430W, so in the end that radio is a huge step above the old 430 anyway. These days though, it's nicer to have all that nav function on an EFIS or a good MFD, because doing it all on a tiny Nav/Com screen is a pain. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Rick Sked wrote: > Not lasting is one thing, not supporting it is another. Software > upgrades I'm not so concerned about as long as mine remains functional, > databases upgrades from Jepp I am concerned about. > > Rick S. > > 40185 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:48:40 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles > Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480 > > > > Im surprised the 480 lasted this long. > > > > I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin > purchase of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects. > > L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT. They would > have inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off > the bat. > > > > TDT > > 40025 > > Main wheelpants done! > > > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > > tdt@aurora.aero > > 617-500-4812 (office) > > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > > "Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite." > > > > > > * > > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > p://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:43 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 480 It's probably safe to say that as long as the demand is there, Jepp will co ntinue updates. One of the few advantages to having a outside supplier for the updated database. Happy New Year everyone! Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 480 I'm sure there are plenty of us in that boat. All we can do is look to oth er products (like the GX-50 & GX-60) which still get Jepp DB support even t hough they were abandoned when the acquisition of UPSAT by Garmin was compl eted. Bob #40105 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 480 Not lasting is one thing, not supporting it is another. Software upgrades I 'm not so concerned about as long as mine remains functional, databases upg rades from Jepp I am concerned about. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 7:48:40 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 480 I'm surprised the 480 lasted this long. I always thought that the government should have examined the Garmin purcha se of UPSAT for anti-competitive effects. L-3 (Goodrich) really blew it and should have bought UPSAT. They would hav e inherited some nice revenue streams and some nice radios right off the ba t. TDT 40025 Main wheelpants done! Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) "Non plaudite. Modo pecuniam jacite." blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:30 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount I found the same thing, several old clecos and some junk. It's definitely worth looking at the area under the floorboards and putting sound proofing against the bottom skin makes a huge difference in my opinion. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount In my case it was nice to clean out the extra tools that they left under there. They sent me an assortment of clecos and drill bits unintentionally. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive AirMike wrote: > > Am I stupid or am I missing something > > I know that it would be a good idea to check the QB work and have a > placement for my MB and transponder antennas, but why take up the > floorboards. I think that they are already primed. Carpet with some > foam backing will provide front insulation..... splain me > > -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155468#155468 > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:54 AM PST US From: John Ackerman Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount I agree, but put the sound insulation on the bottom of the floorboard rather than the bottom skin so that it can't trap water... John Ackerman 40458 do not archive On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > I found the same thing, several old clecos and some junk. It's > definitely > worth looking at the area under the floorboards and putting sound > proofing > against the bottom skin makes a huge difference in my opinion. > > Marcus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:21 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and > gear mount > > > In my case it was nice to clean out the extra tools that they > left under there. They sent me an assortment of clecos > and drill bits unintentionally. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > AirMike wrote: >> >> Am I stupid or am I missing something >> >> I know that it would be a good idea to check the QB work and have a >> placement for my MB and transponder antennas, but why take up the >> floorboards. I think that they are already primed. Carpet with some >> foam backing will provide front insulation..... splain me >> >> -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155468#155468 >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:14 PM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 480 In a message dated 1/2/2008 12:56:02 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey@baesystems.com writes: All we can do is look to other products (like the GX-50 & GX-60) which still get Jepp DB support even though they were abandoned when the acquisition of UPSAT by Garmin was completed. Or the 300xl from Garmin that Jepp still sells updates to... P (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:12 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: qb kit-front floor panels removal and gear mount From: "johngoodman" OK, I went and pulled the bedsheets off of my QB Fuselage and took a good look. A total of 12 pull rivets holding down each of the aft passenger floorboards. I can see where it would be tricky to pull it because of all the AN470 rivet heads, etc. I'll go through the plans tomorrow and figure out what's underneath. There must be something I'm missing because I don't see why it's such a problem. I'll get back tomorrow. John -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155616#155616 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:45 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RV10-List: tailcone wiring I am getting ready to attach the tailcone to the fuselage but I figure it would be better / easier to run all the wires for the items in the tail while I can still crawl into it before it's attached. I was thinking about running conduit through the bulkheads down one side and pre running wires within it (or at least string). Items for wiring Nav Antenna Tail Nav light Tail Strobe light Pitch Trim Servo wiring ELT Does anyone have any pictures of how they routed their wiring? -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:37 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RV10-List: Weight after paint 921AC is out of the paint shop (a couple weeks ago, actually). I like the way it turned out. It's not a show winner but the overall quality is good and the weight is less than expected. We'll have some better pictures up soon. I decided to polish the wings instead of painting, mostly to save weight. I had another polished plane and it held up pretty well. The white paint is Jet Glow single stage. The yellow and gray are color/clear coat. I weighed the plane right before and after. With an average amount of body work and filling, the empty weight went from 1588 to 1598. I think painting the wings would have added another 10 lbs at least. This was a lot less than I expected. I've weighed a few others before and after, and I was expecting more like 20-25 lbs. I set a goal of 1600 for the empty weight, so after the interior goes in later this month, I'm now hoping it won't be much more than 1625. Close enough. Happy New Year! Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.