---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/09/08: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:47 AM - let's not let this happen to us (Pascal) 2. 01:26 AM - Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (Patrick ONeill) 3. 03:56 AM - Re: Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus () 4. 04:18 AM - Re: let's not let this happen to us (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 5. 06:20 AM - Re: let's not let this happen to us (Tim Olson) 6. 06:26 AM - Re: let's not let this happen to us (Rick Sked) 7. 06:46 AM - Re: let's not let this happen to us (David Maib) 8. 07:18 AM - Re: let's not let this happen to us (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 9. 07:28 AM - let's not let this happen to us follow-up (Pascal) 10. 10:57 AM - Fences (John Jessen) 11. 11:26 AM - Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (German Alvarez) 12. 12:22 PM - Re: Fences (William Curtis) 13. 12:49 PM - Re: Fences (BPA) 14. 03:34 PM - Re: let's not let this happen to us follow-up (Chris and Susie McGough) 15. 03:52 PM - Re: let's not let this happen to us follow-up (James Hein) 16. 04:02 PM - Re: Fences (Marcus Cooper) 17. 04:03 PM - Re: let's not let this happen to us follow-up (MauleDriver) 18. 04:20 PM - Re: Fences (Carlos Hernandez) 19. 04:21 PM - Re: let's not let this happen to us follow-up (Chris and Susie McGough) 20. 05:15 PM - Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (tomhanaway) 21. 05:57 PM - Re: Fences (David McNeill) 22. 06:07 PM - Re: Fences (David McNeill) 23. 06:08 PM - Re: Fences (Chris and Susie McGough) 24. 06:58 PM - Re: **Possible_Spam** let's not let this happen to us follow-up (Tom Ganster) 25. 07:27 PM - Re: Fences (Rick Sked) 26. 09:13 PM - Stunt Pilot Poem (Dave Leikam) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:50 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us On the SoCal VAF I saw this and wanted to bring it to this group as we have many critical players that I would hate to see happen to this group. http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html Pascal ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:35 AM PST US From: "Patrick ONeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (I'm resending this as the first reply didn't appear to make the list. If the duplicate shows up at some point, my apologies.) I haven't attended before, but will be attending this one. I'm happy to hear some other list members are going. I'm looking forward to putting some more faces to the names. I've done quite a bit of glass work on boats, but all the trimming and finishing for an aircraft has been giving me a bit of pause. Especially with all the good things I hear about it. I'll be fitting the top in a month or two so the class timing was about perfect for me. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 / N690CT Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus Well, I just signed up for the 2 day class. I just starting looking at putting the top on and queried Dave Saylor about the class and found out one is scheduled for the end of the month. Given all the belly aching about the fiberglass work, I was getting a bit of indigestion. What better cure than some training! Have any of you attended this? Any tips? Bill "doing misc fuse work and getting ready for fiberglass" Watson 40605 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:48 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus I'll be there are well. I wonder if we have critical mass to share rental cars and cut down expenses. Mail me offline if interested. Bob #40684 > > From: "Patrick ONeill" > Date: 2008/01/08 Tue PM 08:28:01 EST > To: > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus > > > (I'm resending this as the first reply didn't appear to make the list. If > the duplicate shows up at some point, my apologies.) > > I haven't attended before, but will be attending this one. I'm happy to hear > some other list members are going. I'm looking forward to putting some more > faces to the names. > > I've done quite a bit of glass work on boats, but all the trimming and > finishing for an aircraft has been giving me a bit of pause. Especially > with all the good things I hear about it. I'll be fitting the top in a month > or two so the class timing was about perfect for me. > > Best Regards, > Patrick #40715 / N690CT > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:11 AM > To: RV10-List Digest Server > Subject: RV10-List: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus > > > Well, I just signed up for the 2 day class. I just starting looking at > putting the top on and queried Dave Saylor about the class and found > out one is scheduled for the end of the month. Given all the belly > aching about the fiberglass work, I was getting a bit of indigestion. > What better cure than some training! > > Have any of you attended this? Any tips? > > Bill "doing misc fuse work and getting ready for fiberglass" Watson > 40605 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:58 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us Thankfully we are much better than the average group about working throug h our family problems. The Internet is a big bad place if you listen to so me people and it's true that you need a thick skin sometimes. I make a poi nt to take nothing personal and so I go along without losing sleep or makin g rash decisions. Occasionally I make less than well thought out comments and people call me on it, fair enough. Even the recent engine debates seem ed rather civil to me even though some people equate that subject to a war. One of the my chief complaints about how Doug run's things is the same re ason this group was born here on Matronics. Censorship. Looking at the th read that was referenced in Bob's post you really can't find anything that would make a grown man run off like that. But as you read on you realize t hat, once again, Doug has found fit to edit someone else's post and leave n o record of the action. This is the exact reason that a bunch of us defect ed from his very active RV-10 list when it was on Yahoo and moved here. At the time it killed all activity there. Most other sites that actually use the practice of moderation will leave a comment behind when editing anothe r's post. It's polite and the right thing to do but Doug doesn't. He just hacks posts to his liking and never says a word. I REALLY don't like it w hen someone messes with what I say and IMHO this furthers activity that he seeks to block. I mean really, if you honestly want to stop that ban the user, like he threatens, and the place will become very cocktail party lik e in no time. But wait, that would cut into his registered user numbers th at he uses to justify his crazy add prices. At least he doesn't hide behin d the false pretence of doing it for his kids college money anymore. Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us On the SoCal VAF I saw this and wanted to bring it to this group as we have many critical players that I would hate to see happen to this group. http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html Pascal ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:43 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us Pascal, Don't underestimate the respectability of everyone here on all sides of any discussion. There is very little here that happens that drives people into anger. Yeah, everyone has some disappointment when others don't seem to "get it",and that goes for both sides of any argument, but at the same time, we make room for those differences as we're all a part of the same family in general....the RV-10 kit family. I think that's what makes this list work so well is that we celebrate that single big similarity more. Engines, primers, EFIS's, and all the other things are just components in the big scheme of things, but it's the fact that they'll be flying the same kit model that gives a union of similarity. There are many hot button topics, but none that really get me riled up too much. I have done things the way that I did, using all the learned info to make my own conclusions. Everyone else really should do the same. Ingest, digest, and then produce your own outcome. The key is soaking in all the info you can. If we avoid talking about the hot button topics, we don't do anyone any favors. And if both camps of any topic don't participate, then the discussion goes nowhere, and people don't get the positives and negatives or other thinking points. So it's all worth while. I'll leave you with this post I grabbed off the Lancair list that I think was a repost from elsewhere. I found it really humorous. -Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think I've been spending too much time reading email lists, because I found this to be hysterical... HOW MANY EMAIL LIST MEMBERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB? 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... Another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid. 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp". 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct. 19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a light bulb forum. 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum. 36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty. 5 People to post pics of their own light bulbs. 7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs. 4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's. 13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too". 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 13 to say "do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs". 1 to bring politics into the discussion by adding that George W. isn't the brightest bulb. 4 more to get into personal attacks over their political views. 1 moderator to lock the light bulb thread. 1 guy wondering when Can-Am is going to step up to the plate and make lightbulbs as bright as the other manufactures. 3 guys wondering what the 2012 lightbulbs will be like. 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again. Pascal wrote: > On the SoCal VAF I saw this and wanted to bring it to this group as we > have many critical players that I would hate to see happen to this group. > > http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html > > > Pascal > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:24 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us I was following this thread and as usual opinions abound on the right way/m y way/your way on how to fill fiberglass. I didn't see the post that offend ed Darwin, I did see his post saying he was "outta here". This group has al ways policed itself, that's why were here instead of the old yahoo format. I participate on Doug's site as well and usually don't get very opinionated on any of them, just offer up my suggestions of what I may have or would h ave done in a situation. I don't consider myself an expert on anything, and there is always someone else who knows more. The good old Internet, emails and text messages carry a perceived=C2-emotional and often misinterprete d message that we can't properly relay unless we are having a=C2-actual t alking conversation. Everyone here has always respected each other, the mor e we meet in person the better it gets, like after OSH every year. I recall =C2-John Cox getting beat up here a few times, If you have or ever have m et and talked with him you get a better understanding of how he communicate s just as you would Deems, myself or anyone else once you get to know them personally.=C2-Written communication often lacks the "personality" of it' s writer,=C2-unless your a professional like Bob Collins, who I met once briefly,=C2-but feel like I know because of his=C2-articles and writing skills. Just my very humble opinion. Rick S. 40185=C2- do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal" Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 12:21:07 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us On the SoCal VAF I saw this and wanted to bring it to this group as we have many critical players that I would hate to see happen to this group. http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html =================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:49 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us Hilarious! (see #13) David Maib 40559 On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Tim Olson wrote: Pascal, Don't underestimate the respectability of everyone here on all sides of any discussion. There is very little here that happens that drives people into anger. Yeah, everyone has some disappointment when others don't seem to "get it",and that goes for both sides of any argument, but at the same time, we make room for those differences as we're all a part of the same family in general....the RV-10 kit family. I think that's what makes this list work so well is that we celebrate that single big similarity more. Engines, primers, EFIS's, and all the other things are just components in the big scheme of things, but it's the fact that they'll be flying the same kit model that gives a union of similarity. There are many hot button topics, but none that really get me riled up too much. I have done things the way that I did, using all the learned info to make my own conclusions. Everyone else really should do the same. Ingest, digest, and then produce your own outcome. The key is soaking in all the info you can. If we avoid talking about the hot button topics, we don't do anyone any favors. And if both camps of any topic don't participate, then the discussion goes nowhere, and people don't get the positives and negatives or other thinking points. So it's all worth while. I'll leave you with this post I grabbed off the Lancair list that I think was a repost from elsewhere. I found it really humorous. -Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think I've been spending too much time reading email lists, because I found this to be hysterical... HOW MANY EMAIL LIST MEMBERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB? 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... Another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid. 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp". 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct. 19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a light bulb forum. 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum. 36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty. 5 People to post pics of their own light bulbs. 7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs. 4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's. 13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too". 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 13 to say "do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs". 1 to bring politics into the discussion by adding that George W. isn't the brightest bulb. 4 more to get into personal attacks over their political views. 1 moderator to lock the light bulb thread. 1 guy wondering when Can-Am is going to step up to the plate and make lightbulbs as bright as the other manufactures. 3 guys wondering what the 2012 lightbulbs will be like. 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again. Pascal wrote: > On the SoCal VAF I saw this and wanted to bring it to this group as > we have many critical players that I would hate to see happen to > this group. > http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html> > Pascal ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:41 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us Man that was friggin hilarious! And I just want to point out that "light bulbs" will probably be extinct and replaced by "CFL's" by 2012 thanks to less than thought out legislation. Now then, how many of the points did I hit below? ROFLMAO Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us Pascal, Don't underestimate the respectability of everyone here on all sides of any discussion. There is very little here that happens that drives people into anger. Yeah, everyone has some disappointment when others don't seem to "get it",and that goes for both sides of any argument, but at the same time, we make room for those differences as we're all a part of the same family in general....the RV-10 kit family. I think that's what makes this list work so well is that we celebrate that single big similarity more. Engines, primers, EFIS's, and all the other things are just components in the big scheme of things, but it's the fact that they'll be flying the same kit model that gives a union of similarity. There are many hot button topics, but none that really get me riled up too much. I have done things the way that I did, using all the learned info to make my own conclusions. Everyone else really should do the same. Ingest, digest, and then produce your own outcome. The key is soaking in all the info you can. If we avoid talking about the hot button topics, we don't do anyone any favors. And if both camps of any topic don't participate, then the discussion goes nowhere, and people don't get the positives and negatives or other thinking points. So it's all worth while. I'll leave you with this post I grabbed off the Lancair list that I think was a repost from elsewhere. I found it really humorous. -Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think I've been spending too much time reading email lists, because I found this to be hysterical... HOW MANY EMAIL LIST MEMBERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB? 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... Another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid. 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp". 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct. 19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a light bulb forum. 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum. 36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty. 5 People to post pics of their own light bulbs. 7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs. 4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's. 13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too". 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 13 to say "do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs". 1 to bring politics into the discussion by adding that George W. isn't the brightest bulb. 4 more to get into personal attacks over their political views. 1 moderator to lock the light bulb thread. 1 guy wondering when Can-Am is going to step up to the plate and make lightbulbs as bright as the other manufactures. 3 guys wondering what the 2012 lightbulbs will be like. 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again. Pascal wrote: > On the SoCal VAF I saw this and wanted to bring it to this group as we > have many critical players that I would hate to see happen to this group. > > http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html > > > Pascal > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:21 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us follow-up With the Family in OZ comments and the alternate engine debate that was an expansion of the kitplane article these last couple of days, Tim is right, this is a solid group that handles issues well. I was just bringing a debate that someone took personally to our attention not because we suffer of this but just to remind us sometimes.. nothing more. We are a great group and many have depended on this forum for guidance, especially myself. Thanks! Pascal do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us > > Pascal, > > Don't underestimate the respectability of everyone here on all > sides of any discussion. There is very little here that > happens that drives people into anger. Yeah, everyone has some > disappointment when others don't seem to "get it",and that goes > for both sides of any argument, but at the same time, we make > room for those differences as we're all a part of the same > family in general....the RV-10 kit family. I think that's what > makes this list work so well is that we celebrate that single > big similarity more. Engines, primers, EFIS's, and all the other > things are just components in the big scheme of things, but it's > the fact that they'll be flying the same kit model that gives > a union of similarity. There are many hot button topics, but > none that really get me riled up too much. I have done things > the way that I did, using all the learned info to make my > own conclusions. Everyone else really should do the same. > Ingest, digest, and then produce your own outcome. The key > is soaking in all the info you can. If we avoid talking about > the hot button topics, we don't do anyone any favors. And > if both camps of any topic don't participate, then the > discussion goes nowhere, and people don't get the positives > and negatives or other thinking points. So it's all worth > while. > > > I'll leave you with this post I grabbed off the Lancair list > that I think was a repost from elsewhere. I found it really > humorous. > > -Tim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I think I've been spending too much time reading email lists, because I > found this to be hysterical... > > > HOW MANY EMAIL LIST MEMBERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB? > > 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been > changed. > > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light > bulb could have been changed differently. > > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. > > 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... > > Another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid. > > 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is > "lamp". > > 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" > is perfectly correct. > > 19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take > this discussion to a light bulb forum. > > 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs > and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum. > > 36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to > buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this > technique and what brands are faulty. > > 5 People to post pics of their own light bulbs. > > 7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs. > > 4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the > corrected URL's. > > 13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all > headers and signatures, and add "Me too". > > 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot > handle the light bulb controversy. > > 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" > > 13 to say "do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about light > bulbs". > > 1 to bring politics into the discussion by adding that George W. isn't the > brightest bulb. > > 4 more to get into personal attacks over their political views. > > 1 moderator to lock the light bulb thread. > > 1 guy wondering when Can-Am is going to step up to the plate and make > lightbulbs as bright as the other manufactures. > > 3 guys wondering what the 2012 lightbulbs will be like. > > 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start > it all over again. > > > Pascal wrote: >> On the SoCal VAF I saw this and wanted to bring it to this group as we >> have many critical players that I would hate to see happen to this group. >> http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html >> >> Pascal >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:39 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fences From: John Jessen Makes me proud... >From a post on the Glastar list... At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet each side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the $17,000 electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to get in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of the fence so they are barred from evil deeds. Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and visit or bring their kids to watch. No more. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:50 AM PST US From: German Alvarez Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus Hi, I will be attending the class in Watsonville. I live in San Jose and I will be driving to Watsonville and back both days. If someone is interested in car-pooling send me an e-mail. --ga ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:34 PM PST US Subject: re: RV10-List: Fences From: "William Curtis" Yeah, My old airport had something similar. Makes the uninformed feel more secure, while inconveniencing the many. Kinda like waiting in line barefoot at the large airports. The law of unintended consequences. I had a non-pilot interloper comment that security like that (gates & fences) "should be mandated at all small airports" -- I had to help him correct his "frame of reference." William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Suess -------- Original Message -------- > > Makes me proud... > > >From a post on the Glastar list... > > At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet each > side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the $17,000 > electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to get > in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of the > fence so they are barred from evil deeds. > > Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and visit > or bring their kids to watch. No more. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences From: "BPA" When I was a kid (LONG time ago)one of the major arterial streets in Tulsa ended roughly 100 yds from the main runway at KTUL. One of the great pleasures we had as youngsters was going to Brahms, getting an ice cream and cruisin' to the airport with Dad on Saturday nights to watch take offs and landings. Now we have locked gates, limited access, and the big eye in the sky watching you if your within 1/4 mile of the field. Damn shame -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fences Makes me proud... >From a post on the Glastar list... At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet each side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the $17,000 electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to get in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of the fence so they are barred from evil deeds. Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and visit or bring their kids to watch. No more. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:25 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us follow-up Something I find funnier than the light bulb is the USA political system! Do you think if I got adopted I could be president? All tounge in cheek but unless your a movie star or related.......hold on what about royalty I should have been a pom? Its a great list Chris Downunder Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:55 PM PST US From: James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us follow-up >Do you think if I got adopted I could be president? You have to be born in the US. You also have to be a good suck-up. You also have to be a professional liar (Being a lawyer can be used for equivalent experience). Oh, you also need a pile of cash. I'd just like the pile of cash myself.... -Jim do not archive Chris and Susie McGough wrote: > > > Something I find funnier than the light bulb is the USA political > system! Do you think if I got adopted I could be president? All > tounge in cheek but unless your a movie star or related.......hold on > what about royalty I should have been a pom? > > Its a great list > > Chris > Downunder > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:30 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences It is truly a shame at the impact the goofy rules are making on a great way of life. At my last airport the 'strict' security policy included giving all those with legal access a card that was nothing more than a business card with your picture printed on it that my kids could have duplicated in minutes. William, thanks for taking the time to educate the non-pilot on how things could be and used to be. I hope we can somehow encourage lookers and wanna-be's back onto the airfield someday. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: re: RV10-List: Fences Yeah, My old airport had something similar. Makes the uninformed feel more secure, while inconveniencing the many. Kinda like waiting in line barefoot at the large airports. The law of unintended consequences. I had a non-pilot interloper comment that security like that (gates & fences) "should be mandated at all small airports" -- I had to help him correct his "frame of reference." William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Suess -------- Original Message -------- > > Makes me proud... > > >From a post on the Glastar list... > > At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet each > side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the $17,000 > electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to get > in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of the > fence so they are barred from evil deeds. > > Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and visit > or bring their kids to watch. No more. > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:08 PM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us follow-up The US political system serves well as international entertainment. It's pretty entertaining domestically too. I was similarly entertained by the hubbub around the Queen's Golden Jubilee visit to her southern subjects a few years ago. Politics is funny. It is a great list! Chris and Susie McGough wrote: > > > Something I find funnier than the light bulb is the USA political > system! Do you think if I got adopted I could be president? All > tounge in cheek but unless your a movie star or related.......hold on > what about royalty I should have been a pom? > > Its a great list > > Chris > Downunder > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:43 PM PST US From: Carlos Hernandez Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fences /"I hope we can somehow encourage lookers and wanna-be's back onto the airfield someday." Marcus/ You bet I'm trying! On weekends I press my 3 year old sons face against the glass at the terminal when ever a plane goes by! He's starting to ask me to go to the airport with me to look at airplanes and hepikers! I so hope he is a third gen pilot! Carlos in AZ Marcus Cooper wrote: > > It is truly a shame at the impact the goofy rules are making on a great way > of life. At my last airport the 'strict' security policy included giving > all those with legal access a card that was nothing more than a business > card with your picture printed on it that my kids could have duplicated in > minutes. > > William, thanks for taking the time to educate the non-pilot on how things > could be and used to be. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:16 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com; rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: re: RV10-List: Fences > > > Yeah, My old airport had something similar. Makes the uninformed feel more > secure, while inconveniencing the many. Kinda like waiting in line barefoot > at the large airports. The law of unintended consequences. > > I had a non-pilot interloper comment that security like that (gates & > fences) "should be mandated at all small airports" -- I had to help him > correct his "frame of reference." > > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > -- Dr. Suess > > -------- Original Message -------- > >> >> Makes me proud... >> >> >From a post on the Glastar list... >> >> At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet each >> side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the >> > $17,000 > >> electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to get >> in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of the >> fence so they are barred from evil deeds. >> >> Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and >> > visit > >> or bring their kids to watch. No more. >> >> >> >> > > > -- Carlos Hernandez Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:57 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us follow-up And we had to pay hundreds of thousands for her flights and security for Grandmar to come out. The money should have gone to the childrens hospital and we just sent her a card Oh well back to the shed Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us follow-up > > The US political system serves well as international entertainment. It's > pretty entertaining domestically too. I was similarly entertained by the > hubbub around the Queen's Golden Jubilee visit to her southern subjects a > few years ago. Politics is funny. > > It is a great list! > > Chris and Susie McGough wrote: >> >> >> Something I find funnier than the light bulb is the USA political >> system! Do you think if I got adopted I could be president? All tounge >> in cheek but unless your a movie star or related.......hold on what about >> royalty I should have been a pom? >> >> Its a great list >> >> Chris >> Downunder >> Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:04 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus From: "tomhanaway" Been thinking about this and have signed up. Just finishing up wingtips. Have a QB fuselage out in the garage. Will fly into San Jose around 9 PM fri night and head out to Comfort Inn in Watsonville. Look forward to meeting you all. Tom Hanaway Boynton Beach, FL 561-702-5456 (c) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157125#157125 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:07 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences You did not realize that Bin Laden's secret plan was to kill us with bureaucracy. It's well known outside the US that the Feds overreact on everything by hiring more bureaucrats and making more rules. Wasting billions of dollars. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: re: RV10-List: Fences Yeah, My old airport had something similar. Makes the uninformed feel more secure, while inconveniencing the many. Kinda like waiting in line barefoot at the large airports. The law of unintended consequences. I had a non-pilot interloper comment that security like that (gates & fences) "should be mandated at all small airports" -- I had to help him correct his "frame of reference." William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Suess -------- Original Message -------- > > Makes me proud... > > >From a post on the Glastar list... > > At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet > each side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through > the $17,000 electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal > building ($1.7m) to get in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits > to walk around the end of the fence so they are barred from evil deeds. > > Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and > visit or bring their kids to watch. No more. > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:50 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences I used to walk on the ramp at the buildings just west of Pennant Aviation; Access to the ramnp at the FSDO was not a problem. FBL. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences When I was a kid (LONG time ago)one of the major arterial streets in Tulsa ended roughly 100 yds from the main runway at KTUL. One of the great pleasures we had as youngsters was going to Brahms, getting an ice cream and cruisin' to the airport with Dad on Saturday nights to watch take offs and landings. Now we have locked gates, limited access, and the big eye in the sky watching you if your within 1/4 mile of the field. Damn shame -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fences Makes me proud... >From a post on the Glastar list... At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet each side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the $17,000 electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to get in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of the fence so they are barred from evil deeds. Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and visit or bring their kids to watch. No more. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:17 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fences And its flowed on to here in Aus however most of the fences that have been put up you can walk around or a 6YO could climb over. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McNeill" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences > > You did not realize that Bin Laden's secret plan was to kill us with > bureaucracy. It's well known outside the US that the Feds overreact on > everything by hiring more bureaucrats and making more rules. Wasting > billions of dollars. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:16 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com; rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: re: RV10-List: Fences > > > Yeah, My old airport had something similar. Makes the uninformed feel > more > secure, while inconveniencing the many. Kinda like waiting in line > barefoot > at the large airports. The law of unintended consequences. > > I had a non-pilot interloper comment that security like that (gates & > fences) "should be mandated at all small airports" -- I had to help him > correct his "frame of reference." > > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind." > -- Dr. Suess > > -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Makes me proud... >> >> >From a post on the Glastar list... >> >> At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet >> each side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through >> the $17,000 electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal >> building ($1.7m) to get in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits >> to walk around the end of the fence so they are barred from evil deeds. >> >> Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and >> visit or bring their kids to watch. No more. >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:30 PM PST US From: "Tom Ganster" Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us follow-up Don't know how the rest of the "new builders" feel, but reading the comments on this forum definitely gives me an impression of their authors. The web can be deceiving. I can't wait for Oshkosh to confirm my thoughts. Tom Ganster CLI empenage -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: **Possible_Spam** RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us follow-up With the Family in OZ comments and the alternate engine debate that was an expansion of the kitplane article these last couple of days, Tim is right, this is a solid group that handles issues well. I was just bringing a debate that someone took personally to our attention not because we suffer of this but just to remind us sometimes.. nothing more. We are a great group and many have depended on this forum for guidance, especially myself. Thanks! Pascal do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: let's not let this happen to us > > Pascal, > > Don't underestimate the respectability of everyone here on all > sides of any discussion. There is very little here that > happens that drives people into anger. Yeah, everyone has some > disappointment when others don't seem to "get it",and that goes > for both sides of any argument, but at the same time, we make > room for those differences as we're all a part of the same > family in general....the RV-10 kit family. I think that's what > makes this list work so well is that we celebrate that single > big similarity more. Engines, primers, EFIS's, and all the other > things are just components in the big scheme of things, but it's > the fact that they'll be flying the same kit model that gives > a union of similarity. There are many hot button topics, but > none that really get me riled up too much. I have done things > the way that I did, using all the learned info to make my > own conclusions. Everyone else really should do the same. > Ingest, digest, and then produce your own outcome. The key > is soaking in all the info you can. If we avoid talking about > the hot button topics, we don't do anyone any favors. And > if both camps of any topic don't participate, then the > discussion goes nowhere, and people don't get the positives > and negatives or other thinking points. So it's all worth > while. > > > I'll leave you with this post I grabbed off the Lancair list > that I think was a repost from elsewhere. I found it really > humorous. > > -Tim > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I think I've been spending too much time reading email lists, because I > found this to be hysterical... > > > HOW MANY EMAIL LIST MEMBERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB? > > 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been > changed. > > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light > bulb could have been changed differently. > > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. > > 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... > > Another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid. > > 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is > "lamp". > > 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" > is perfectly correct. > > 19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take > this discussion to a light bulb forum. > > 11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs > and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum. > > 36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to > buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this > technique and what brands are faulty. > > 5 People to post pics of their own light bulbs. > > 7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs. > > 4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the > corrected URL's. > > 13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all > headers and signatures, and add "Me too". > > 5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot > handle the light bulb controversy. > > 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" > > 13 to say "do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about light > bulbs". > > 1 to bring politics into the discussion by adding that George W. isn't the > brightest bulb. > > 4 more to get into personal attacks over their political views. > > 1 moderator to lock the light bulb thread. > > 1 guy wondering when Can-Am is going to step up to the plate and make > lightbulbs as bright as the other manufactures. > > 3 guys wondering what the 2012 lightbulbs will be like. > > 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start > it all over again. > > > Pascal wrote: >> On the SoCal VAF I saw this and wanted to bring it to this group as we >> have many critical players that I would hate to see happen to this group. >> http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2008/01/darned-shame.html >> >> Pascal >> > > > 1:38 PM 1:38 PM ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:41 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fences Rhonda you crack me up with the old age comments, anyone who knows her knows she is a looker :)!!! I'll be willing to bet so many of us did the ice cream, airport thing. I would hang around the "Poor Indians" parachute club at the Burlington County Airport in South Jersey to see if they had a full load of 5 crazy skydivers, if only four were going, I could strap on a chute and go up hooked to the floor of a stripped out 182. How's that for no liability society! I'll never forget the climb to 10 or 12 thousand and watch them all pile out. Then the fun began with a screaming descent down into the pattern as to not waste any gas and get ready to take up a few more, hopefully only 4 would be ready. This was around 1973 or 1974 I was 12 years old. I would ride my bike to the airport, long two lane country road, across a big grass field, no fences. What a great and special time it was...I'll never forget those days. Hard to believe that 27 or so odd years later at 545 AM or so my time I would watch the World Trade Center getting hit by 757's driven by some of the worlds biggest scumbags. I'll never forget those minutes, hours and days either. It stinks to grow up. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "BPA" Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 12:50:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences When I was a kid (LONG time ago)one of the major arterial streets in Tulsa ended roughly 100 yds from the main runway at KTUL. One of the great pleasures we had as youngsters was going to Brahms, getting an ice cream and cruisin' to the airport with Dad on Saturday nights to watch take offs and landings. Now we have locked gates, limited access, and the big eye in the sky watching you if your within 1/4 mile of the field. Damn shame -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fences Makes me proud... >From a post on the Glastar list... At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet each side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the $17,000 electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to get in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of the fence so they are barred from evil deeds. Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and visit or bring their kids to watch. No more. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:09 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop while I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing. I thought you all might like it. 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