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     1. 12:24 AM - Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Michael Wellenzohn)
     2. 03:57 AM - Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Jesse Saint)
     3. 05:44 AM - Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Tim Olson)
     4. 06:13 AM - Diesel engine lawsuit...from avweb... (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
     5. 06:19 AM - Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Dave Lammers)
     6. 06:29 AM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (John Jessen)
     7. 06:29 AM - Re: Fences (Rhonda Bewley)
     8. 06:29 AM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     9. 06:42 AM - Re: Fences (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    10. 06:57 AM - Re: Diesel engine lawsuit...from avweb... (Sam Marlow)
    11. 08:08 AM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (Max Hegler)
    12. 08:11 AM - Gear Leg Fairing (Albert Gardner)
    13. 09:05 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Rene Felker)
    14. 09:17 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Deems Davis)
    15. 09:21 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Bert Murillo)
    16. 09:27 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Fred Williams, M.D.)
    17. 09:45 AM - GNS430 Mounting Tray (Michael Schipper)
    18. 10:09 AM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (Rick Sked)
    19. 10:48 AM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (Jesse Saint)
    20. 12:11 PM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (Marcus Cooper)
    21. 12:49 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (John W. Cox)
    22. 02:01 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Chris and Susie McGough)
    23. 02:19 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Deems Davis)
    24. 02:57 PM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (Vernon Smith)
    25. 03:41 PM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (Michael Schipper)
    26. 04:54 PM - Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (Jon Reining)
    27. 05:02 PM - Plexiglass cleaner (greghale)
    28. 05:08 PM - Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (johngoodman)
    29. 05:19 PM - Re: Plexiglass cleaner (Tim Olson)
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    32. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (MauleDriver)
    33. 06:11 PM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (bob.kaufmann)
    34. 07:14 PM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (Dave Leikam)
    35. 08:24 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Albert Gardner)
    36. 08:44 PM - From the Ground Up (bruce breckenridge)
    37. 11:36 PM - Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Michael Wellenzohn)
    38. 11:41 PM - Any suggestion where to by avionics apart from Steinair (Michael Wellenzohn)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Cutting front baffll CB-1001a | 
      
      
      Hello,
      
      did you guys cut the CB-1001a front baffle in order to fit the prop governor through
      the cut out hole?
      
      Michael
      
      --------
      RV-10 builder (fuselage)
      #511
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a | 
      
      
      Yes, a little.  You don't want to remove too much, though, because you  
      don't want to lose your cooling air through that hole.
      
      Jesse Saint
      Saint Aviation, Inc.
      jesse@saintaviation.com
      Cell: 352-427-0285
      Fax: 815-377-3694
      
      On Jan 10, 2008, at 3:21 AM, Michael Wellenzohn wrote:
      
      > >
      >
      > Hello,
      >
      > did you guys cut the CB-1001a front baffle in order to fit the prop  
      > governor through the cut out hole?
      >
      > Michael
      >
      > --------
      > RV-10 builder (fuselage)
      > #511
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157200#157200
      >
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      > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02785_492.jpg
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| Subject:  | Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a | 
      
      
      Yep, try to trim in the shape of the governor, so that the ramp
      kind of form fits to the governor's needs.  Leave enough clearance
      though to guarantee the lever and bolt won't hang up.
      Then, once you have the slot there and it's wide enough, glass in the
      ramp ends so the air can't flow up through that area and under
      the ramps.  You should be able to seal that area pretty well,
      even with the clearance hole.  The sealing of the air ramps is
      a big key to getting things done right.
      Tim
      
      
      Michael Wellenzohn wrote:
      > 
      > Hello,
      > 
      > did you guys cut the CB-1001a front baffle in order to fit the prop governor
      through the cut out hole?
      > 
      > Michael
      > 
      > --------
      > RV-10 builder (fuselage)
      > #511
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Diesel engine lawsuit...from avweb... | 
      
      Millen Aviation Services of Kent, England, filed a lawsuit on Dec. 17,  2007, 
      against Diamond Aircraft Industries in Wiener Neustadt, Austria, over  their 
      Thielert diesel-powered DA40s. "The claim for damages is based on our  
      experience with our two DA40 1.7 TDIs, their extremely poor reliability,  
      highmaintenance costs, waiting time for spare parts and, our firm belief of  their
      
      premature release to market without sufficient research, development and  testing,"
      
      company partner Mike Millen said in a prepared statement. Diamond did  not 
      immediately respond to AVweb's request for comment....
      
      Kind of interesting that Millen cites high maintenance and spare parts as a  
      problem when Thielert and others in the diesel business talk about diesel  
      engines as having less parts and more reliability...sure would be interesting to
      
      know the exact details...
      
      P
      
      
      **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
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| Subject:  | Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a | 
      
      
      Michael,
      You bet--seems that there is no other way.
      Dave Lammers
      finishing
      
      Michael Wellenzohn wrote:
      
      >
      >Hello,
      >
      >did you guys cut the CB-1001a front baffle in order to fit the prop governor through
      the cut out hole?
      >
      >Michael
      >
      >--------
      >RV-10 builder (fuselage)
      >#511
      >
      >
      >Read this topic online here:
      >
      >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157200#157200
      >
      >
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      >http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02785_492.jpg
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      >
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      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Stunt Pilot Poem | 
      
      Very nice; thanks for sharing.
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:12 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem
      
      
      My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop while
      I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing.  I thought you all might
      like it.
      
      Dave Leikam
      40496
      
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      That was actually Allen's response.  For your amusement, here is our
      inter-office banter about his response. . . .
      
      "Dad never said you were a glimmer in his eye. Mom told me once in an
      argument that protected sex was a bunch of bull. If it worked, then how
      come three of her kids were accidents! Now saying this, being as to howe
      I em the much mor entelligint of the keds, hoo doo yoo thank shee wuz
      reeferin too!
      
      Yor mutch smartr bruther'
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Rhonda Bewley
      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:25 PM
      Subject: FW: RV10-List: Fences
      
      Hey I don't remember doing that.  Of course, when you were a kid, I was
      barely a glimmer in the old man's eye.  Nice to be young!  :-)  At least
      I have the memories of racing quarter midgets down the runway at the
      Cotton Field!
      
      Love,
      Your little and much better looking sis'"
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:25 PM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fences
      
      
      Rhonda you crack me up with the old age comments, anyone who knows her
      knows she is a looker :)!!!
      
      I'll be willing to bet so many of us did the ice cream, airport thing. I
      would hang around the "Poor Indians" parachute club at the Burlington
      County Airport in South Jersey to see if they had a full load of 5 crazy
      skydivers, if only four were going, I could strap on a chute and go up
      hooked to the floor of a stripped out 182. How's that for no liability
      society! I'll never forget the climb to 10 or 12 thousand and watch them
      all pile out. Then the fun began with a screaming descent down into the
      pattern as to not waste any gas and get ready to take up a few more,
      hopefully only 4 would be ready. This was around 1973 or 1974 I was 12
      years old. I would ride my bike to the airport, long two lane country
      road, across a big grass field, no fences. What a great and special time
      it was...I'll never forget those days. Hard to believe that 27 or so odd
      years later at 545 AM or so my time I would watch the World Trade Center
      getting hit by 757's driven by some of the worlds biggest!
        scumbags. I'll never forget those minutes, hours and days either. It
      stinks to grow up.
      
      Rick Sked
      40185
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Stunt Pilot Poem | 
      
      Very nice.  Can we guess what he might like to do one day. :)
      
      Do not archive
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
      atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:12 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem
      
      My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop whil
      e I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing.  I thought you all might 
      like it.
      
      Dave Leikam
      40496
      
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      "BPA" is usually Allen, but I'm sure he likes to be thought of as a looker also.
      :D
      
       Back in the early 90's I spent several years flying skydivers in striped out and
      beat down 182's.  I don't think I'll ever forget that first trip to 11k when
      that door popped open.  White knuckle experience for sure.  Of course after
      a couple dozen of those I was side slipping the airplane with my head practically
      out the door to see where they were before making a screaming descent.  But
      I digress.
      
        The good news was that I routinely took people for rides when less than full
      (4-5 passengers and 1/4 tanks).  Now I wouldn't recommend using a skydiving operation
      for an introduction to aviation.  After the grueling 30 minutes to alt
      in a packed tight 182 with the aircraft clawing its way through the last 3k feet,
      I generally took it a little easier on them in decent.  Even though I was
      sensitive to the experience about to be given there was still more than one passenger
      that was a little greener than the people that jumped. ;-)
      
      Michael
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:25 PM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fences
      
      
      Rhonda you crack me up with the old age comments, anyone who knows her knows she
      is a looker :)!!!
      
      I'll be willing to bet so many of us did the ice cream, airport thing. I would
      hang around the "Poor Indians" parachute club at the Burlington County Airport
      in South Jersey to see if they had a full load of 5 crazy skydivers, if only
      four were going, I could strap on a chute and go up hooked to the floor of a stripped
      out 182. How's that for no liability society! I'll never forget the climb
      to 10 or 12 thousand and watch them all pile out. Then the fun began with
      a screaming descent down into the pattern as to not waste any gas and get ready
      to take up a few more, hopefully only 4 would be ready. This was around 1973
      or 1974 I was 12 years old. I would ride my bike to the airport, long two lane
      country road, across a big grass field, no fences. What a great and special
      time it was...I'll never forget those days. Hard to believe that 27 or so odd
      years later at 545 AM or so my time I would watch the World Trade Center getting
      hit by 757's driven by some of the worlds biggest!
        scumbags. I'll never forget those minutes, hours and days either. It stinks to
      grow up.
      
      Rick Sked
      40185
      
      do not archive
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 12:50:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences
      
      
      When I was a kid (LONG time ago)one of the major arterial streets in
      Tulsa ended roughly 100 yds from the main runway at KTUL. One of the
      great pleasures we had as youngsters was going to Brahms, getting an ice
      cream and cruisin' to the airport with Dad on Saturday nights to watch
      take offs and landings. Now we have locked gates, limited access, and
      the big eye in the sky watching you if your within 1/4 mile of the
      field. Damn shame
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:23 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Fences
      
      
      Makes me proud...
      
      >From a post on the Glastar list...
      
      At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet
      each
      side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the
      $17,000
      electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to
      get
      in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of
      the
      fence so they are barred from evil deeds.
      
      Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and
      visit
      or bring their kids to watch. No more.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Diesel engine lawsuit...from avweb... | 
      
      
      That's all I need to know, to make an informed decision. Back to the 
      Lycon for now!
      Sam
      
      GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
      > /Millen Aviation Services of Kent, England, filed a lawsuit on Dec. 
      > 17, 2007, against Diamond Aircraft Industries in Wiener Neustadt, 
      > Austria, over their Thielert diesel-powered DA40s. "The claim for 
      > damages is based on our experience with our two DA40 1.7 TDIs, their 
      > extremely poor reliability, highmaintenance costs, waiting time for 
      > spare parts and, our firm belief of their premature release to market 
      > without sufficient research, development and testing," company partner 
      > Mike Millen said in a prepared statement. Diamond did not immediately 
      > respond to AVweb's request for comment..../
      >  
      > Kind of interesting that Millen cites high maintenance and spare parts 
      > as a problem when Thielert and others in the diesel business talk 
      > about diesel engines as having less parts and more reliability...sure 
      > would be interesting to know the exact details...
      >  
      > P
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape 
      > <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> 
      > in the new year.
      > *
      >
      >
      > *
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Stunt Pilot Poem | 
      
      Ahhh...so he's observed your craftsmanship???  ;)
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Dave Leikam 
        To: RV-10 matronics 
        Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:11 PM
        Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem
      
      
        My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop 
      while I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing.  I thought you all 
      might like it.
      
        Dave Leikam
        40496
      
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| Subject:  | Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge 
      together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set 
      because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this 
      would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the 
      oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller 
      head and might not protrude.
      Albert Gardner
      Yuma, AZ
      
      
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| Subject:  | Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      I think what they mean is to not flair the shop head as much.  The
      countersunk hole is the same and the rivets should be flush...just don't
      squeeze them as much.
      
      
      Rene' Felker
      
      N423CF
      
      40322
      
      801-721-6080
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:15 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing
      
      
      I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge 
      together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set 
      because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this 
      would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the 
      oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller 
      head and might not protrude.
      Albert Gardner
      Yuma, AZ
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      
      Al, whatever rivets you use, consider adding a strip of fiberglass tape 
      to cover the rivet heads. It will keep them from 'working' later on and 
      messing up your paint job. After you prime and sand w/ some 
      primer/filler (Smoothprime) it will look glass smooth.
      
      Deems Davis # 406
      'Its all done....Its just not put together'
      http://deemsrv10.com/
      
      Albert Gardner wrote:
      > *Im working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge *
      > *together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldnt be completely set *
      > *because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this *
      > *would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the *
      > *oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8) but have a smaller *
      > *head and might not protrude.*
      > *Albert Gardner*
      > *Yuma**, **AZ*
      > *
      > *
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      
      Albert:  I have an rv6a I do mnot know if the fairing is very much different,
      but I used the regular rivets,  if I recall were the A3-4? they are small..
      JUst set them carefully, with enough preasure to get a smooth surface.
      
       I did not have any problem with them.  The imprtant thing is to have
      a good quality
      set of, rivets set heads? ( I got mine from  Avery) Adjust the rivet Squezer
      so that would not crush the fiber  glass.  Really it is easier than you think.
      
      I would not use pop rivets, they do not have the strengh under the stress
      and tension, if that is the case... also they will never look as good...
      
      Hope this will help you
      
      Bertrv6sa
      
      donot archive
      
      On 1/10/08, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
      >
      > I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge
      > together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set
      > because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this
      > would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the
      > oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller
      > head and might not protrude.
      > Albert Gardner
      > Yuma, AZ
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      
      
      Albert;
      
      I did the gear fairings last week. I used the 3.5 rivets. Standard. I 
      had read the note in the plans and used just a gentle squeeze with the 
      hand squeezer. Had the countersink enough to have the rivet head flush. 
      Went well. I did not hear any fiberglass cracking or see any problems.
      
      Dr Fred.
      
      
      Albert Gardner wrote:
      > *Im working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge *
      > *together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldnt be completely set *
      > *because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this *
      > *would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the *
      > *oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8) but have a smaller *
      > *head and might not protrude.*
      > *Albert Gardner*
      > *Yuma**, **AZ*
      > * *
      > *
      >
      >
      > *
      > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      >
      >   
      
      
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| Subject:  | GNS430 Mounting Tray | 
      
      
      Hi Guys,
      
      Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin  
      430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of  
      someday adding the 430.
      
      If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be  
      greatly appreciated.
      
      Regards,
      Mike Schipper
      #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
      
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray | 
      
      
      Did you try Pacific Coast Avionics? I picked one up for my GLD-69 there.
      
      Rick S.
      40185
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Michael Schipper" <mike@learningplanet.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:42:28 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
      Subject: RV10-List: GNS430 Mounting Tray
      
      
      Hi Guys,
      
      Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin  
      430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of  
      someday adding the 430.
      
      If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be  
      greatly appreciated.
      
      Regards,
      Mike Schipper
      #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
      
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray | 
      
      
      Stark Avionics or Approach Fast Stack would be able to do that.  They  
      might require you to get a wiring harness with it, but you will  
      probably want that anyway.
      
      Jesse Saint
      Saint Aviation, Inc.
      jesse@saintaviation.com
      Cell: 352-427-0285
      Fax: 815-377-3694
      
      On Jan 10, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Michael Schipper wrote:
      
      > >
      >
      > Hi Guys,
      >
      > Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin  
      > 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of  
      > someday adding the 430.
      >
      > If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be  
      > greatly appreciated.
      >
      > Regards,
      > Mike Schipper
      > #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
      >
      > do not archive
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Stunt Pilot Poem | 
      
      Dave,
      
         Great poem and a refreshing sign of an inspired future aviator (if not
      one already) compared to the Fences posts.
      
      
      If he writes another acro poem with a more positive ending (ie on
      maneuvering, cloud dancing, whatever), please post that as well.  It was a
      very well done and by no means am I indicating anything negative about the
      poem, I'd just like to inspire more along the same theme.
      
      
      Marcus
      
      40286  - Former Skybolt builder/flyer
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:12 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem
      
      
      My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop while
      I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing.  I thought you all might
      like it.
      
      
      Dave Leikam
      
      40496
      
      
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| Subject:  | Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      
      Just completing a Conditional on a nine year old RV-6A. By the way, the
      Lycosaurus is an O-360 modified for IO service and over 900 hours of
      joyous almost maintenance free operations.  Compressions were all 80/80
      and one was 79/80.  One half of the AD426D-3-3.5 rivets have pulled
      through the glass on the leg fairings.  This is the piano hinge retainer
      on the trailing edge.  Integrity of the glass was compromised by
      hydro-carbon pollution which was to be anticipated.
      
      The discovery was part of the SB pursuit and solution on the Nose Wheel
      Fork.
      
      For the RV-10, you guys are still seven years from discovery that the
      small countersunk head cannot be retained by just the fiberglass under
      normal vibration forces.
      
      For What Its Worth
      
      I recommend an epoxy to metal piano hinge fastening process, backed up
      by the rivets.  Be sure and leave adequate clearance between contact
      with the lower engine cowl and the fairing.  The fairing lost all of its
      outer epoxy and half the glass to the chafing with the lower cowl.
      
      John Cox - #40600
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
      Williams, M.D.
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:27 AM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing
      
      <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
      
      
      Albert;
      
      I did the gear fairings last week. I used the 3.5 rivets. Standard. I 
      had read the note in the plans and used just a gentle squeeze with the 
      hand squeezer. Had the countersink enough to have the rivet head flush. 
      Went well. I did not hear any fiberglass cracking or see any problems.
      
      Dr Fred.
      
      
      Albert Gardner wrote:
      > *I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing
      edge *
      > *together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely
      set *
      > *because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that
      this *
      > *would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the
      *
      > *oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller
      *
      > *head and might not protrude.*
      > *Albert Gardner*
      > *Yuma**, **AZ*
      > * *
      > *
      >
      >
      > *
      >
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      >
      >   
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      Put a layer of glass between the hinge and the fairing hold with  clecos 
      till it cures then put your rivets in and squeeze as much as you like.
      We did this with our 6 after many other builder with great results
      
      Chris
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Albert Gardner 
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:14 AM
        Subject: RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing
      
      
      I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge 
      together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set 
      because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this 
      would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the 
      oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller 
      head and might not protrude.Albert GardnerYuma, AZ 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      
      I didn't do this on the leg fairings, but I did do it on the cowl hinges 
      and that was to apply Pro-seal between the hinge and the fiberglass and 
      then rivet.
      
      Deems Davis # 406
      'Its all done....Its just not put together'
      http://deemsrv10.com/
      
      Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
      > Put a layer of glass between the hinge and the fairing hold with 
      > clecos till it cures then put your rivets in and squeeze as much as 
      > you like.
      > We did this with our 6 after many other builder with great results
      > Chris
      >
      >     ----- Original Message -----
      >     *From:* Albert Gardner <mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com>
      >     *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
      >     *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 3:14 AM
      >     *Subject:* RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing
      >
      >     *Im working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge *
      >
      >     *together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldnt be completely set
      *
      >
      >     *because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this
      *
      >
      >     *would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the *
      >
      >     *oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8) but have a smaller *
      >
      >     *head and might not protrude.*
      >
      >     *Albert Gardner*
      >
      >     *Yuma**, **AZ*
      >
      >     * *
      >
      >     *
      >
      >     href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
      >     href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
      >     href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
      >     *
      >
      > *
      >
      >
      > *
      
      
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| Subject:  | GNS430 Mounting Tray | 
      
       I was quoted a price of $50 for the tray from Pacific Coast Avionics last 
      month.
      
      Vern Smith (#324 Doors)
      
      
      > From: mike@learningplanet.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV10
      -List: GNS430 Mounting Tray> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:42:28 -0600> > --> R
      V10-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>> > H
      i Guys,> > Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Ga
      rmin > 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of > 
      someday adding the 430.> > If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a sour
      ce, it would be > greatly appreciated.> > Regards,> Mike Schipper> #40576 -
      =============> > > 
      _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject:  | Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray | 
      
      Thanks to all who responded to my question. After a call to Pacific  
      Coast Avionics, I have a tray, backplate, and connector kit on order.
      
      The tray itself is only $35, but the backplate and connector kit adds  
      
      another $200 or so.
      
      Regards,
      Mike Schipper
      #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
      
      
      On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Vernon Smith wrote:
      
      >  I was quoted a price of $50 for the tray from Pacific Coast  
      > Avionics last month.
      >
      > Vern Smith (#324 Doors)
      >
      >
      > > From: mike@learningplanet.com
      > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
      > > Subject: RV10-List: GNS430 Mounting Tray
      > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:42:28 -0600
      > >
      <mike@learningplanet.com 
      > >
      > >
      > > Hi Guys,
      > >
      > > Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin
      > > 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of
      > > someday adding the 430.
      > >
      > > If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be
      > > greatly appreciated.
      > >
      > > Regards,
      > > Mike Schipper
      > > #40576 - Fuse - www.==========
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      > Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows  
      > Live=99. Start now!
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus | 
      
      
      Great class.  One of the best parts was meeting other builders and sharing stories.
      The Mexican food was a bonus.  There should now be three completed RV10s
      on the field - all worth seeing.  
      
      Hmmm...  Perhaps if there's VFR weather it might be time for the $100 burrito run
      in the Citabria to meet some of you guys during the lunch break.
      
      Jon Reining 40514 (along with dad, Bill)
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157341#157341
      
      
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| Subject:  | Plexiglass cleaner | 
      
      
      I know this has been discussed before, but I had left the plastic covering on my
      windows for protection.  I am now ready to remove the plastic, but I know it
      will leave the sticky glue on the plexiglass.  What was the best cleaner to remove
      the glue.
      
      Thanks in advance.
      Greg Hale
      www.nwacaptain.com
      
      --------
      Greg Hale rv8/rv10
      www.nwacaptain.com
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157343#157343
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus | 
      
      
      I would like to attend as well, but their web site doesn't show the class - is
      it full? I assume it's the 26 & 27 of January.
      
      John
      
      --------
      #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived
      N711JG reserved
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157345#157345
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Plexiglass cleaner | 
      
      
      The stuff on the windshield won't leave a residue, but, you can clean it
      with Kerosene.
      
      Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
      
      
      greghale wrote:
      > 
      > I know this has been discussed before, but I had left the plastic covering on
      my windows for protection.  I am now ready to remove the plastic, but I know
      it will leave the sticky glue on the plexiglass.  What was the best cleaner to
      remove the glue.
      > 
      > Thanks in advance.
      > Greg Hale
      > www.nwacaptain.com
      > 
      > --------
      > Greg Hale rv8/rv10
      > www.nwacaptain.com
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Plexiglass cleaner | 
      
      When I pulled the plastic off the windows were the cleanest they've ever  
      been; I don't remember anything left from the plastic covering. I have had to 
      
      wash them since then. I use Plexus (from Aircraft Spruce) and a micro-fiber  
      cloth (from the aviation department at Walmart). I seem to remember an extensive
      
      thread regarding the different solvents people are using on the plexiglass. I 
       personally have never used anything but water and plexus on the windows.
      
      -Jim
      N312JE
      
      Jim "Scooter"  McGrew
      _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew  
      
      
      In a message dated 1/10/2008 8:04:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
      ghale5224@aol.com writes:
      
      -->  RV10-List message posted by: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com>
      
      I  know this has been discussed before, but I had left the plastic covering 
      on my  windows for protection.  I am now ready to remove the plastic, but I 
      know  it will leave the sticky glue on the plexiglass.  What was the best  
      cleaner to remove the glue.
      
      Thanks in advance.
      Greg  Hale
      www.nwacaptain.com
      
      --------
      Greg Hale  rv8/rv10
      www.nwacaptain.com
      
      
      _ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) 
      
      
      **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
      http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Plexiglass cleaner | 
      
      
      Thanks Tim and Jim. 
      
      Greg Hale
      www.nwacaptain.com
      
      --------
      Greg Hale rv8/rv10
      www.nwacaptain.com
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157355#157355
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus | 
      
      
      I didn't see it on the site either.  Because I had already taken my 
      first walk around the plane looking at the ill fitting glass top, I 
      decided to call.  Dave Saylor said the class was on.
      
      Hope it's not over (or under) subscribed.  Suggest you call.
      
      How many RV10ers does it take to stick a top on it?
      
      Bill "happy as a clam about the class" Watson
      
      do not archive
      
      johngoodman wrote:
      >
      > I would like to attend as well, but their web site doesn't show the class - is
      it full? I assume it's the 26 & 27 of January.
      >
      > John
      >
      > --------
      > #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived
      > N711JG reserved
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157345#157345
      >
      >
      >   
      
      
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| Subject:  | GNS430 Mounting Tray | 
      
      
      Go to Stein at SteinAir, he has them.
      
      I've gotten all my trays from him and he's great to work with. 
      
      Bob K  
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:06 AM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: GNS430 Mounting Tray
      
      
      Did you try Pacific Coast Avionics? I picked one up for my GLD-69 there.
      
      Rick S.
      40185
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Michael Schipper" <mike@learningplanet.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:42:28 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
      Subject: RV10-List: GNS430 Mounting Tray
      
      
      Hi Guys,
      
      Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin  
      430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of  
      someday adding the 430.
      
      If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be  
      greatly appreciated.
      
      Regards,
      Mike Schipper
      #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
      
      do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Stunt Pilot Poem | 
      
      He flies with me every chance he gets and asks for more.  His first trip 
      to OSH was in a stroller, and he has been there every year with me 
      since.  One year he spent the entire day on my shoulders.  He bucks and 
      guns rivets with me and can tell you the model and manufacturer of the 
      machine guns in the nose of a B-25.  
      
      I hope his poem is not reflective of the workmanship he sees in our 
      plane!!!!! ;-)  
      
      He tends to write about excitement and thrill, no negative taken!!  
      
      To me, there are no better blessings in life than kids, especially when 
      they share your interests.  
      
      Dave Leikam
      40496
      do not archive
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Marcus Cooper 
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:08 PM
        Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem
      
      
        Dave,
      
           Great poem and a refreshing sign of an inspired future aviator (if 
      not one already) compared to the Fences posts.
      
         
      
        If he writes another acro poem with a more positive ending (ie on 
      maneuvering, cloud dancing, whatever), please post that as well.  It was 
      a very well done and by no means am I indicating anything negative about 
      the poem, I'd just like to inspire more along the same theme.
      
         
      
        Marcus
      
        40286  - Former Skybolt builder/flyer
      
         
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -----
      
        From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
        Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:12 PM
        To: RV-10 matronics
        Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem
      
         
      
        My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop 
      while I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing.  I thought you all 
      might like it.
      
         
      
        Dave Leikam
      
        40496
      
      
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| Subject:  | Gear Leg Fairing | 
      
      
      Thanks for the suggestions. It sure looks better with the pants and 
      fairings
      on.
      
      Albert Gardner
      
      Yuma, AZ
      
      
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| Subject:  | From the Ground Up | 
      
      In organizing the video library, I came across my 4 VHS video set of "From
      the Ground UP", which, if you haven't seen it, was produced by the EAA in
      conjunction with the Discovery Wings Channel.  It is 13 episodes that
      documented the construction of an RV-8 from kit to plane that really spiked
      my interest in homebuilding.  The videos are in "very good" condition.  I
      can't say "excellent", 'cuz they've been viewed!  They sell for $80 on the
      EAA website, but I'll ship 'em to the best offer I get over the weekend.
       They're ready for a new home.  Do Not Archive.
      
      Bruce Breckenridge
      40018  Wings
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a | 
      
      
      Great, thank you guys!
      Did I mention this before...I love this forum.
      
      Michael
      
      --------
      RV-10 builder (fuselage)
      #511
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157410#157410
      
      
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| Subject:  | Any suggestion where to by avionics apart from Steinair | 
      
      
      Hi,
      
      I am trying to get an off from Steinair since last year September.
      I wrote 4 emails. I talked to Stein directly and still have no offer.
      
      I had such great experience with him when I purchased the AP servos and the harness.
      I can't understand what happened.
      
      Thats my shopping list:
      
      - Audio panel PS Engineering PMS9000B
      - Garmin 430
      - Garmin SL30
      - Garmin 328 (XPDR for Europe)
      - Trutrak APRV10   (I purchased the Servos already from you)
      
      Backup instruments (2 1/4) Altimeter, Speed Indicator, Trutrak ADI (2 1/4) 
      
      Michael
      
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      RV-10 builder (fuselage)
      #511
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157411#157411
      
      
 
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