RV10-List Digest Archive

Thu 01/10/08


Total Messages Posted: 38



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     1. 12:24 AM - Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Michael Wellenzohn)
     2. 03:57 AM - Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Jesse Saint)
     3. 05:44 AM - Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Tim Olson)
     4. 06:13 AM - Diesel engine lawsuit...from avweb... (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
     5. 06:19 AM - Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Dave Lammers)
     6. 06:29 AM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (John Jessen)
     7. 06:29 AM - Re: Fences (Rhonda Bewley)
     8. 06:29 AM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     9. 06:42 AM - Re: Fences (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    10. 06:57 AM - Re: Diesel engine lawsuit...from avweb... (Sam Marlow)
    11. 08:08 AM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (Max Hegler)
    12. 08:11 AM - Gear Leg Fairing (Albert Gardner)
    13. 09:05 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Rene Felker)
    14. 09:17 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Deems Davis)
    15. 09:21 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Bert Murillo)
    16. 09:27 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Fred Williams, M.D.)
    17. 09:45 AM - GNS430 Mounting Tray (Michael Schipper)
    18. 10:09 AM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (Rick Sked)
    19. 10:48 AM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (Jesse Saint)
    20. 12:11 PM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (Marcus Cooper)
    21. 12:49 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (John W. Cox)
    22. 02:01 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Chris and Susie McGough)
    23. 02:19 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Deems Davis)
    24. 02:57 PM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (Vernon Smith)
    25. 03:41 PM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (Michael Schipper)
    26. 04:54 PM - Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (Jon Reining)
    27. 05:02 PM - Plexiglass cleaner (greghale)
    28. 05:08 PM - Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (johngoodman)
    29. 05:19 PM - Re: Plexiglass cleaner (Tim Olson)
    30. 05:27 PM - Re: Plexiglass cleaner (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
    31. 05:54 PM - Re: Plexiglass cleaner (greghale)
    32. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus (MauleDriver)
    33. 06:11 PM - Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray (bob.kaufmann)
    34. 07:14 PM - Re: Stunt Pilot Poem (Dave Leikam)
    35. 08:24 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Albert Gardner)
    36. 08:44 PM - From the Ground Up (bruce breckenridge)
    37. 11:36 PM - Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a (Michael Wellenzohn)
    38. 11:41 PM - Any suggestion where to by avionics apart from Steinair (Michael Wellenzohn)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:24:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    Hello, did you guys cut the CB-1001a front baffle in order to fit the prop governor through the cut out hole? Michael -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157200#157200 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02785_492.jpg


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    Time: 03:57:50 AM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a
    Yes, a little. You don't want to remove too much, though, because you don't want to lose your cooling air through that hole. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Jan 10, 2008, at 3:21 AM, Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > > > Hello, > > did you guys cut the CB-1001a front baffle in order to fit the prop > governor through the cut out hole? > > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (fuselage) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157200#157200 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02785_492.jpg > >


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    Time: 05:44:42 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a
    Yep, try to trim in the shape of the governor, so that the ramp kind of form fits to the governor's needs. Leave enough clearance though to guarantee the lever and bolt won't hang up. Then, once you have the slot there and it's wide enough, glass in the ramp ends so the air can't flow up through that area and under the ramps. You should be able to seal that area pretty well, even with the clearance hole. The sealing of the air ramps is a big key to getting things done right. Tim Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > Hello, > > did you guys cut the CB-1001a front baffle in order to fit the prop governor through the cut out hole? > > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (fuselage) > #511 >


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    Time: 06:13:12 AM PST US
    From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com
    Subject: Diesel engine lawsuit...from avweb...
    Millen Aviation Services of Kent, England, filed a lawsuit on Dec. 17, 2007, against Diamond Aircraft Industries in Wiener Neustadt, Austria, over their Thielert diesel-powered DA40s. "The claim for damages is based on our experience with our two DA40 1.7 TDIs, their extremely poor reliability, highmaintenance costs, waiting time for spare parts and, our firm belief of their premature release to market without sufficient research, development and testing," company partner Mike Millen said in a prepared statement. Diamond did not immediately respond to AVweb's request for comment.... Kind of interesting that Millen cites high maintenance and spare parts as a problem when Thielert and others in the diesel business talk about diesel engines as having less parts and more reliability...sure would be interesting to know the exact details... P **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489


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    Time: 06:19:56 AM PST US
    From: Dave Lammers <davelammers@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a
    Michael, You bet--seems that there is no other way. Dave Lammers finishing Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > >Hello, > >did you guys cut the CB-1001a front baffle in order to fit the prop governor through the cut out hole? > >Michael > >-------- >RV-10 builder (fuselage) >#511 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157200#157200 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02785_492.jpg > > > >


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    Time: 06:29:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Stunt Pilot Poem
    From: John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com>
    Very nice; thanks for sharing. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop while I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing. I thought you all might like it. Dave Leikam 40496


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    Time: 06:29:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Fences
    From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@bpaengines.com>
    That was actually Allen's response. For your amusement, here is our inter-office banter about his response. . . . "Dad never said you were a glimmer in his eye. Mom told me once in an argument that protected sex was a bunch of bull. If it worked, then how come three of her kids were accidents! Now saying this, being as to howe I em the much mor entelligint of the keds, hoo doo yoo thank shee wuz reeferin too! Yor mutch smartr bruther' -----Original Message----- From: Rhonda Bewley Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: FW: RV10-List: Fences Hey I don't remember doing that. Of course, when you were a kid, I was barely a glimmer in the old man's eye. Nice to be young! :-) At least I have the memories of racing quarter midgets down the runway at the Cotton Field! Love, Your little and much better looking sis'" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fences Rhonda you crack me up with the old age comments, anyone who knows her knows she is a looker :)!!! I'll be willing to bet so many of us did the ice cream, airport thing. I would hang around the "Poor Indians" parachute club at the Burlington County Airport in South Jersey to see if they had a full load of 5 crazy skydivers, if only four were going, I could strap on a chute and go up hooked to the floor of a stripped out 182. How's that for no liability society! I'll never forget the climb to 10 or 12 thousand and watch them all pile out. Then the fun began with a screaming descent down into the pattern as to not waste any gas and get ready to take up a few more, hopefully only 4 would be ready. This was around 1973 or 1974 I was 12 years old. I would ride my bike to the airport, long two lane country road, across a big grass field, no fences. What a great and special time it was...I'll never forget those days. Hard to believe that 27 or so odd years later at 545 AM or so my time I would watch the World Trade Center getting hit by 757's driven by some of the worlds biggest! scumbags. I'll never forget those minutes, hours and days either. It stinks to grow up. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive


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    Time: 06:29:42 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Stunt Pilot Poem
    Very nice. Can we guess what he might like to do one day. :) Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop whil e I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing. I thought you all might like it. Dave Leikam 40496


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    Time: 06:42:31 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Fences
    "BPA" is usually Allen, but I'm sure he likes to be thought of as a looker also. :D Back in the early 90's I spent several years flying skydivers in striped out and beat down 182's. I don't think I'll ever forget that first trip to 11k when that door popped open. White knuckle experience for sure. Of course after a couple dozen of those I was side slipping the airplane with my head practically out the door to see where they were before making a screaming descent. But I digress. The good news was that I routinely took people for rides when less than full (4-5 passengers and 1/4 tanks). Now I wouldn't recommend using a skydiving operation for an introduction to aviation. After the grueling 30 minutes to alt in a packed tight 182 with the aircraft clawing its way through the last 3k feet, I generally took it a little easier on them in decent. Even though I was sensitive to the experience about to be given there was still more than one passenger that was a little greener than the people that jumped. ;-) Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fences Rhonda you crack me up with the old age comments, anyone who knows her knows she is a looker :)!!! I'll be willing to bet so many of us did the ice cream, airport thing. I would hang around the "Poor Indians" parachute club at the Burlington County Airport in South Jersey to see if they had a full load of 5 crazy skydivers, if only four were going, I could strap on a chute and go up hooked to the floor of a stripped out 182. How's that for no liability society! I'll never forget the climb to 10 or 12 thousand and watch them all pile out. Then the fun began with a screaming descent down into the pattern as to not waste any gas and get ready to take up a few more, hopefully only 4 would be ready. This was around 1973 or 1974 I was 12 years old. I would ride my bike to the airport, long two lane country road, across a big grass field, no fences. What a great and special time it was...I'll never forget those days. Hard to believe that 27 or so odd years later at 545 AM or so my time I would watch the World Trade Center getting hit by 757's driven by some of the worlds biggest! scumbags. I'll never forget those minutes, hours and days either. It stinks to grow up. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 12:50:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fences When I was a kid (LONG time ago)one of the major arterial streets in Tulsa ended roughly 100 yds from the main runway at KTUL. One of the great pleasures we had as youngsters was going to Brahms, getting an ice cream and cruisin' to the airport with Dad on Saturday nights to watch take offs and landings. Now we have locked gates, limited access, and the big eye in the sky watching you if your within 1/4 mile of the field. Damn shame -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fences Makes me proud... >From a post on the Glastar list... At my home airport (FYJ) the anti-terrorist fence ends about 50 feet each side of the road leading in. We were issued codes to get through the $17,000 electric gate. Guests must go through the terminal building ($1.7m) to get in. Terrorists evidently don't have the wits to walk around the end of the fence so they are barred from evil deeds. Before the fence, people interested in flying would often stop by and visit or bring their kids to watch. No more.


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    Time: 06:57:01 AM PST US
    From: Sam Marlow <sam@fr8dog.net>
    Subject: Re: Diesel engine lawsuit...from avweb...
    That's all I need to know, to make an informed decision. Back to the Lycon for now! Sam GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote: > /Millen Aviation Services of Kent, England, filed a lawsuit on Dec. > 17, 2007, against Diamond Aircraft Industries in Wiener Neustadt, > Austria, over their Thielert diesel-powered DA40s. "The claim for > damages is based on our experience with our two DA40 1.7 TDIs, their > extremely poor reliability, highmaintenance costs, waiting time for > spare parts and, our firm belief of their premature release to market > without sufficient research, development and testing," company partner > Mike Millen said in a prepared statement. Diamond did not immediately > respond to AVweb's request for comment..../ > > Kind of interesting that Millen cites high maintenance and spare parts > as a problem when Thielert and others in the diesel business talk > about diesel engines as having less parts and more reliability...sure > would be interesting to know the exact details... > > P > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> > in the new year. > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:08:50 AM PST US
    From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler@MSN.COM>
    Subject: Re: Stunt Pilot Poem
    Ahhh...so he's observed your craftsmanship??? ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Leikam To: RV-10 matronics Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop while I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing. I thought you all might like it. Dave Leikam 40496


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    Time: 08:11:44 AM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Gear Leg Fairing
    I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller head and might not protrude. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 09:05:56 AM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: Gear Leg Fairing
    I think what they mean is to not flair the shop head as much. The countersunk hole is the same and the rivets should be flush...just don't squeeze them as much. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller head and might not protrude. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 09:17:33 AM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Gear Leg Fairing
    Al, whatever rivets you use, consider adding a strip of fiberglass tape to cover the rivet heads. It will keep them from 'working' later on and messing up your paint job. After you prime and sand w/ some primer/filler (Smoothprime) it will look glass smooth. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Albert Gardner wrote: > *Im working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge * > *together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldnt be completely set * > *because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this * > *would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the * > *oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8) but have a smaller * > *head and might not protrude.* > *Albert Gardner* > *Yuma**, **AZ* > * > *


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    Time: 09:21:56 AM PST US
    From: "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Gear Leg Fairing
    Albert: I have an rv6a I do mnot know if the fairing is very much different, but I used the regular rivets, if I recall were the A3-4? they are small.. JUst set them carefully, with enough preasure to get a smooth surface. I did not have any problem with them. The imprtant thing is to have a good quality set of, rivets set heads? ( I got mine from Avery) Adjust the rivet Squezer so that would not crush the fiber glass. Really it is easier than you think. I would not use pop rivets, they do not have the strengh under the stress and tension, if that is the case... also they will never look as good... Hope this will help you Bertrv6sa donot archive On 1/10/08, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge > together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set > because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this > would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the > oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller > head and might not protrude. > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > > > - The RV10-List Email Forum - > to browse > Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > much more: > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > Forums! > http://forums.matronics.com > - List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > http://www.matronics.com/contribution >


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    Time: 09:27:03 AM PST US
    From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Gear Leg Fairing
    Albert; I did the gear fairings last week. I used the 3.5 rivets. Standard. I had read the note in the plans and used just a gentle squeeze with the hand squeezer. Had the countersink enough to have the rivet head flush. Went well. I did not hear any fiberglass cracking or see any problems. Dr Fred. Albert Gardner wrote: > *Im working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge * > *together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldnt be completely set * > *because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this * > *would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the * > *oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8) but have a smaller * > *head and might not protrude.* > *Albert Gardner* > *Yuma**, **AZ* > * * > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >


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    Time: 09:45:02 AM PST US
    From: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
    Subject: GNS430 Mounting Tray
    Hi Guys, Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of someday adding the 430. If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Mike Schipper #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com do not archive


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    Time: 10:09:13 AM PST US
    From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray
    Did you try Pacific Coast Avionics? I picked one up for my GLD-69 there. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schipper" <mike@learningplanet.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:42:28 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: GNS430 Mounting Tray Hi Guys, Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of someday adding the 430. If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Mike Schipper #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com do not archive


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    Time: 10:48:53 AM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray
    Stark Avionics or Approach Fast Stack would be able to do that. They might require you to get a wiring harness with it, but you will probably want that anyway. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Jan 10, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Michael Schipper wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, > > Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin > 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of > someday adding the 430. > > If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be > greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Mike Schipper > #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 12:11:45 PM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@cableone.net>
    Subject: Stunt Pilot Poem
    Dave, Great poem and a refreshing sign of an inspired future aviator (if not one already) compared to the Fences posts. If he writes another acro poem with a more positive ending (ie on maneuvering, cloud dancing, whatever), please post that as well. It was a very well done and by no means am I indicating anything negative about the poem, I'd just like to inspire more along the same theme. Marcus 40286 - Former Skybolt builder/flyer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop while I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing. I thought you all might like it. Dave Leikam 40496


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    Time: 12:49:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Gear Leg Fairing
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Just completing a Conditional on a nine year old RV-6A. By the way, the Lycosaurus is an O-360 modified for IO service and over 900 hours of joyous almost maintenance free operations. Compressions were all 80/80 and one was 79/80. One half of the AD426D-3-3.5 rivets have pulled through the glass on the leg fairings. This is the piano hinge retainer on the trailing edge. Integrity of the glass was compromised by hydro-carbon pollution which was to be anticipated. The discovery was part of the SB pursuit and solution on the Nose Wheel Fork. For the RV-10, you guys are still seven years from discovery that the small countersunk head cannot be retained by just the fiberglass under normal vibration forces. For What Its Worth I recommend an epoxy to metal piano hinge fastening process, backed up by the rivets. Be sure and leave adequate clearance between contact with the lower engine cowl and the fairing. The fairing lost all of its outer epoxy and half the glass to the chafing with the lower cowl. John Cox - #40600 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D. Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> Albert; I did the gear fairings last week. I used the 3.5 rivets. Standard. I had read the note in the plans and used just a gentle squeeze with the hand squeezer. Had the countersink enough to have the rivet head flush. Went well. I did not hear any fiberglass cracking or see any problems. Dr Fred. Albert Gardner wrote: > *I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge * > *together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set * > *because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this * > *would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the * > *oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller * > *head and might not protrude.* > *Albert Gardner* > *Yuma**, **AZ* > * * > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >


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    Time: 02:01:34 PM PST US
    From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Re: Gear Leg Fairing
    Put a layer of glass between the hinge and the fairing hold with clecos till it cures then put your rivets in and squeeze as much as you like. We did this with our 6 after many other builder with great results Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Gardner To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing I'm working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldn't be completely set because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8") but have a smaller head and might not protrude.Albert GardnerYuma, AZ


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    Time: 02:19:23 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Gear Leg Fairing
    I didn't do this on the leg fairings, but I did do it on the cowl hinges and that was to apply Pro-seal between the hinge and the fiberglass and then rivet. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Chris and Susie McGough wrote: > Put a layer of glass between the hinge and the fairing hold with > clecos till it cures then put your rivets in and squeeze as much as > you like. > We did this with our 6 after many other builder with great results > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Albert Gardner <mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 3:14 AM > *Subject:* RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing > > *Im working on the gear leg fairing hinge that holds the trailing edge * > > *together. The plans indicate that the rivets shouldnt be completely set * > > *because it might crack the thin fiberglass material. I suppose that this * > > *would leave a small protrusion above the surface. Has anyone used the * > > *oops rivets here? They are larger diameter (1/8) but have a smaller * > > *head and might not protrude.* > > *Albert Gardner* > > *Yuma**, **AZ* > > * * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > *


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    Time: 02:57:11 PM PST US
    From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
    Subject: GNS430 Mounting Tray
    I was quoted a price of $50 for the tray from Pacific Coast Avionics last month. Vern Smith (#324 Doors) > From: mike@learningplanet.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV10 -List: GNS430 Mounting Tray> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:42:28 -0600> > --> R V10-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>> > H i Guys,> > Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Ga rmin > 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of > someday adding the 430.> > If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a sour ce, it would be > greatly appreciated.> > Regards,> Mike Schipper> #40576 - =============> > > _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TA GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008


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    Time: 03:41:08 PM PST US
    From: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
    Subject: Re: GNS430 Mounting Tray
    Thanks to all who responded to my question. After a call to Pacific Coast Avionics, I have a tray, backplate, and connector kit on order. The tray itself is only $35, but the backplate and connector kit adds another $200 or so. Regards, Mike Schipper #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Vernon Smith wrote: > I was quoted a price of $50 for the tray from Pacific Coast > Avionics last month. > > Vern Smith (#324 Doors) > > > > From: mike@learningplanet.com > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV10-List: GNS430 Mounting Tray > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:42:28 -0600 > > <mike@learningplanet.com > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin > > 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of > > someday adding the 430. > > > > If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Mike Schipper > > #40576 - Fuse - www.========== > > > > > > > > > Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows > Live=99. Start now! > >


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    Time: 04:54:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus
    From: "Jon Reining" <jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
    Great class. One of the best parts was meeting other builders and sharing stories. The Mexican food was a bonus. There should now be three completed RV10s on the field - all worth seeing. Hmmm... Perhaps if there's VFR weather it might be time for the $100 burrito run in the Citabria to meet some of you guys during the lunch break. Jon Reining 40514 (along with dad, Bill) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157341#157341


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    Time: 05:02:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Plexiglass cleaner
    From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com>
    I know this has been discussed before, but I had left the plastic covering on my windows for protection. I am now ready to remove the plastic, but I know it will leave the sticky glue on the plexiglass. What was the best cleaner to remove the glue. Thanks in advance. Greg Hale www.nwacaptain.com -------- Greg Hale rv8/rv10 www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157343#157343


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    Time: 05:08:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus
    From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
    I would like to attend as well, but their web site doesn't show the class - is it full? I assume it's the 26 & 27 of January. John -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157345#157345


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    Time: 05:19:50 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Plexiglass cleaner
    The stuff on the windshield won't leave a residue, but, you can clean it with Kerosene. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying greghale wrote: > > I know this has been discussed before, but I had left the plastic covering on my windows for protection. I am now ready to remove the plastic, but I know it will leave the sticky glue on the plexiglass. What was the best cleaner to remove the glue. > > Thanks in advance. > Greg Hale > www.nwacaptain.com > > -------- > Greg Hale rv8/rv10 > www.nwacaptain.com > >


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    Time: 05:27:24 PM PST US
    From: JSMcGrew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Plexiglass cleaner
    When I pulled the plastic off the windows were the cleanest they've ever been; I don't remember anything left from the plastic covering. I have had to wash them since then. I use Plexus (from Aircraft Spruce) and a micro-fiber cloth (from the aviation department at Walmart). I seem to remember an extensive thread regarding the different solvents people are using on the plexiglass. I personally have never used anything but water and plexus on the windows. -Jim N312JE Jim "Scooter" McGrew _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew In a message dated 1/10/2008 8:04:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ghale5224@aol.com writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com> I know this has been discussed before, but I had left the plastic covering on my windows for protection. I am now ready to remove the plastic, but I know it will leave the sticky glue on the plexiglass. What was the best cleaner to remove the glue. Thanks in advance. Greg Hale www.nwacaptain.com -------- Greg Hale rv8/rv10 www.nwacaptain.com _ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489


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    Time: 05:54:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plexiglass cleaner
    From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com>
    Thanks Tim and Jim. Greg Hale www.nwacaptain.com -------- Greg Hale rv8/rv10 www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157355#157355


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    Time: 06:04:51 PM PST US
    From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Fiberglass class in Watsonville with RV10 focus
    I didn't see it on the site either. Because I had already taken my first walk around the plane looking at the ill fitting glass top, I decided to call. Dave Saylor said the class was on. Hope it's not over (or under) subscribed. Suggest you call. How many RV10ers does it take to stick a top on it? Bill "happy as a clam about the class" Watson do not archive johngoodman wrote: > > I would like to attend as well, but their web site doesn't show the class - is it full? I assume it's the 26 & 27 of January. > > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157345#157345 > > >


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    Time: 06:11:35 PM PST US
    From: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
    Subject: GNS430 Mounting Tray
    Go to Stein at SteinAir, he has them. I've gotten all my trays from him and he's great to work with. Bob K -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: GNS430 Mounting Tray Did you try Pacific Coast Avionics? I picked one up for my GLD-69 there. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schipper" <mike@learningplanet.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:42:28 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: GNS430 Mounting Tray Hi Guys, Does anyone know where I can find just the mounting kit for a Garmin 430? I am hoping I can find one and install it in anticipation of someday adding the 430. If anyone has an extra, or if you know of a source, it would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Mike Schipper #40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com do not archive


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    Time: 07:14:05 PM PST US
    From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Stunt Pilot Poem
    He flies with me every chance he gets and asks for more. His first trip to OSH was in a stroller, and he has been there every year with me since. One year he spent the entire day on my shoulders. He bucks and guns rivets with me and can tell you the model and manufacturer of the machine guns in the nose of a B-25. I hope his poem is not reflective of the workmanship he sees in our plane!!!!! ;-) He tends to write about excitement and thrill, no negative taken!! To me, there are no better blessings in life than kids, especially when they share your interests. Dave Leikam 40496 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcus Cooper To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:08 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem Dave, Great poem and a refreshing sign of an inspired future aviator (if not one already) compared to the Fences posts. If he writes another acro poem with a more positive ending (ie on maneuvering, cloud dancing, whatever), please post that as well. It was a very well done and by no means am I indicating anything negative about the poem, I'd just like to inspire more along the same theme. Marcus 40286 - Former Skybolt builder/flyer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:12 PM To: RV-10 matronics Subject: RV10-List: Stunt Pilot Poem My son wrote this for an English assignment the other night in my shop while I was pounding rivets into my bottom left wing. I thought you all might like it. Dave Leikam 40496


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    Time: 08:24:07 PM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Gear Leg Fairing
    Thanks for the suggestions. It sure looks better with the pants and fairings on. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 08:44:04 PM PST US
    From: "bruce breckenridge" <bbreckenridge@gmail.com>
    Subject: From the Ground Up
    In organizing the video library, I came across my 4 VHS video set of "From the Ground UP", which, if you haven't seen it, was produced by the EAA in conjunction with the Discovery Wings Channel. It is 13 episodes that documented the construction of an RV-8 from kit to plane that really spiked my interest in homebuilding. The videos are in "very good" condition. I can't say "excellent", 'cuz they've been viewed! They sell for $80 on the EAA website, but I'll ship 'em to the best offer I get over the weekend. They're ready for a new home. Do Not Archive. Bruce Breckenridge 40018 Wings


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    Time: 11:36:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cutting front baffll CB-1001a
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    Great, thank you guys! Did I mention this before...I love this forum. Michael -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157410#157410


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    Time: 11:41:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Any suggestion where to by avionics apart from Steinair
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    Hi, I am trying to get an off from Steinair since last year September. I wrote 4 emails. I talked to Stein directly and still have no offer. I had such great experience with him when I purchased the AP servos and the harness. I can't understand what happened. Thats my shopping list: - Audio panel PS Engineering PMS9000B - Garmin 430 - Garmin SL30 - Garmin 328 (XPDR for Europe) - Trutrak APRV10 (I purchased the Servos already from you) Backup instruments (2 1/4) Altimeter, Speed Indicator, Trutrak ADI (2 1/4) Michael -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157411#157411




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