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     1. 04:28 AM - Re: wing tips (Lew Gallagher)
     2. 05:05 AM - Re: 14" spinner (steveadams)
     3. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: wing tips (David McNeill)
     4. 05:30 AM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit (linn Walters)
     5. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     6. 06:52 AM - Re: 14" spinner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     7. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: wing tips (Ben Westfall)
     8. 06:59 AM - Re: 14" spinner (BPA)
     9. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (Ben Westfall)
    10. 07:27 AM - Re: 14" spinner (BPA)
    11. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: wing tips (Rene Felker)
    12. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    13. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (pilotdds@aol.com)
    14. 09:29 AM - Back of spinner to front of starter distance (Rick Sked)
    15. 09:30 AM - Re: 14" spinner (John W. Cox)
    16. 10:17 AM - Re: Back of spinner to front of starter distance (Chris Johnston)
    17. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: wing tips (John Gonzalez)
    18. 10:38 AM - Re: 14" spinner (Nick Nafsinger)
    19. 10:40 AM - Re: Back of spinner to front of starter distance (Rick Sked)
    20. 11:35 AM - The Greening of General Aviation (Jay Brinkmeyer)
    21. 02:37 PM - fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (jason Parker)
    22. 03:33 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (William Curtis)
    23. 03:40 PM - Engine HP (Was Re: 14" spinner) (Chris)
    24. 03:46 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (McGANN, Ron)
    25. 04:08 PM - Conduit Fill / Size (Dsyvert@aol.com)
    26. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: wing tips (Ben Westfall)
    27. 05:01 PM - Re: wing tips (Lew Gallagher)
    28. 05:22 PM - Re: Conduit Fill / Size (Lew Gallagher)
    29. 05:26 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    30. 06:07 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (jason Parker)
    31. 06:17 PM - plans revisions (Bob-tcw)
    32. 06:34 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (John W. Cox)
    33. 07:35 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (Rick Sked)
    34. 07:35 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (Max Hegler)
    35. 07:56 PM - Timeless voices of aviation (Rick Sked)
    36. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: wing tips (Ben Westfall)
    37. 08:28 PM - Re: plans revisions (Tim Olson)
    38. 08:28 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (Marcus Cooper)
    39. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Conduit Fill / Size (Patrick ONeill)
    40. 08:50 PM - Re: Timeless voices of aviation (Marcus Cooper)
 
 
 
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      Hey Doug,
      
      I assume you mean to screw into the nut plate already in the wingtip fairing as
      the female die.  Good idea, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it does.
      
      Later, - Lew
      
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      non-pilot
      crazy about building
      waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158738#158738
      
      
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      UHS  sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices,  and they will do custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their 13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com
      
      Steve
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743
      
      
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      BTDT. The method works in a pinch where the dimple die won't reach  and the
      metal is thin enough. However it has the disadvantage of damaging the
      aluminum layer of the ALCLAD, exposing the internal metal to corrosion. Much
      better to grind the edge from a dimple set to ensure that the dimple is set
      to the proper depth without scarring the adjacent metal. Case in point is
      the nut plate for the wing fairing on the bottom skin between the main spar
      (gear leg in place); use the screw method there. Also use of the screws is
      going to strip out a few and potentially leave some in the nut plate for
      practice with the misnamed "easy out" tool.
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:24 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      
      
      Hey Doug,
      
      I assume you mean to screw into the nut plate already in the wingtip fairing
      as the female die.  Good idea, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it
      does.
      
      Later, - Lew
      
      --------
      non-pilot
      crazy about building
      waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158738#158738
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit | 
      
      
      David McNeill wrote:
      
      >
      >Kaput. not enough interest (money commitments). Checks returned. 
      >
      That's too bad.  It's a great concept.  From my viewpoint ...... I 
      didn't see any 'call to arms' ...... so the lackluster interest just 
      could be caused by poor communication.  I, for one, would have poneyed 
      up some funds ...... and I'm in the middle of the build process.  The 
      pool of 'really interested' (read the flying group) is rather small yet.
      Linn
      
      >
      >-----Original Message-----
      >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen
      >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:02 PM
      >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit
      >
      >
      >
      >Whatever happened to Aircraft Mutual Benefit?   My project is getting  
      >much closer to turning into an airplane so my interest in insurance is
      >rising.
      >
      >
      >Sheldon Olesen
      >
      >#40080  Prepping for paint
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
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      Awesome!  Anyone else have any experience with these guys?
      
      Michael
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      
      UHS  sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices,  and they will do custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their 13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com
      
      Steve
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743
      
      
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      Absolutely the environment will affect a dyno run.  When mine was on the dy
      no it was during a heat wave.  BPE's dyno is in a oven so it was rather hot
      .  (ok so it's a small room on an outside wall but it gets oven hot in ther
      e)  It ran at 272HP with 100 degree inlet and 118 degree fuel temp.  I expe
      ct that 272 is on the lower end of the HPmax output.
      
      Michael
      Do not archive
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
      atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:56 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      If the spinner does not work on mine I would be happy to sell it to you.
      
      Regarding: Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as Mike Sausen's
       and Deems Davis'
      
      I own a small Dyno and I wonder how accurate these readings could be from o
      ne engine to the next, one month to the next, mornings, nights, hot, cold.
      
      Regarding: the reduced flutter margin with the additional power
      
      I to will throttle back. I fly my RV-6A EASY and still get plenty of speed 
      at 21.5"
      
      Getting exciting, panel in 2 (aviation) weeks.
      
      Robin
      Do Not Archive
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
      atronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:01 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      Not a bad idea.  Every time I think about switching back to the Hartzell I 
      remember that I need that 14" spinner and that kills that thought.
      
      Michael
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
      atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:50 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp.... Teehee
      
      I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it has a 1 in 
      20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of people wanting 
      to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal down side.
      
      Robin
      Do Not Archive
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
      atronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops :)
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
      atronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time, indigoonlat
      igo@msn.com writes:
      Nice advertising!
      Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John
      
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      You can do it with one or two sacrificial nutplates before they are riveted
      on and just clecoed in place.  Also if you are worried about scratching the
      alclad put a piece of blue tape over it.  Yeah it will take a while but
      should work.
      
      -Ben
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:21 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      
      
      BTDT. The method works in a pinch where the dimple die won't reach  and the
      metal is thin enough. However it has the disadvantage of damaging the
      aluminum layer of the ALCLAD, exposing the internal metal to corrosion. Much
      better to grind the edge from a dimple set to ensure that the dimple is set
      to the proper depth without scarring the adjacent metal. Case in point is
      the nut plate for the wing fairing on the bottom skin between the main spar
      (gear leg in place); use the screw method there. Also use of the screws is
      going to strip out a few and potentially leave some in the nut plate for
      practice with the misnamed "easy out" tool.
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:24 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      
      
      Hey Doug,
      
      I assume you mean to screw into the nut plate already in the wingtip fairing
      as the female die.  Good idea, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it
      does.
      
      Later, - Lew
      
      --------
      non-pilot
      crazy about building
      waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158738#158738
      
      
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      John,
      
      
      I don't have Gary's test cell report in front of me, but if memory
      serves me, his engine is producing the same numbers as Mike, Deems and
      Robins as well as many others. Gary's is the first RV-10 engine we built
      with the Cold Air Induction.  
      
      
      Allen Barrett
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:35 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as Mike Sausen's and
      Deems Davis'.  I have not seen output posted for Gary Foster.  Good luck
      with the Spinner journey.
      
      
      John Cox
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:50 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp.... Teehee
      
      
      I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it has a 1
      in 20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of people
      wanting to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal down side.
      
      
      Robin
      
      Do Not Archive 
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops :-)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      GRANSCOTT@aol.com
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time,
      indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes:
      
      	Nice advertising! 
      
      Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John
      
      
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      This was discussed in May of 2007.  The thread was pretty much identical
      last time.  Here was my response from the past.  I'll leave the spelling and
      grammar errors so we can all enjoy them again!
      
      "I contacted them a while back to inquire about using it with the hartzell
      that Van's sells and they said it would not work.  The hartzell uses a back
      plate aft of the propeller and their 14" spinner is designed to with a
      mounting plate in front of the propeller."
      
      I don't know if they have a different product available now a days though.
      
      -Ben
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
      (Michael Sausen)
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:29 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
      
      Awesome!  Anyone else have any experience with these guys?
      
      Michael
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      
      UHS  sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices,  and they will do
      custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their
      13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com
      
      Steve
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743
      
      
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      Don't forget barometric pressure and humidity play a major roll in the
      HP game. The day we ran Mikes engine we were at 100% humidity with blue
      bird skies! I hate running engines in the summer :-)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
      (Michael Sausen)
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:48 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      Absolutely the environment will affect a dyno run.  When mine was on the
      dyno it was during a heat wave.  BPE's dyno is in a oven so it was
      rather hot.  (ok so it's a small room on an outside wall but it gets
      oven hot in there)  It ran at 272HP with 100 degree inlet and 118 degree
      fuel temp.  I expect that 272 is on the lower end of the HPmax output.
      
      
      Michael
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:56 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      If the spinner does not work on mine I would be happy to sell it to you.
      
      
      Regarding: Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as Mike
      Sausen's and Deems Davis'
      
      
      I own a small Dyno and I wonder how accurate these readings could be
      from one engine to the next, one month to the next, mornings, nights,
      hot, cold.
      
      
      Regarding: the reduced flutter margin with the additional power
      
      
      I to will throttle back. I fly my RV-6A EASY and still get plenty of
      speed at 21.5"
      
      
      Getting exciting, panel in 2 (aviation) weeks.
      
      
      Robin
      
      Do Not Archive
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
      (Michael Sausen)
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:01 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      Not a bad idea.  Every time I think about switching back to the Hartzell
      I remember that I need that 14" spinner and that kills that thought.
      
      
      Michael
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:50 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp.... Teehee
      
      
      I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it has a 1
      in 20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of people
      wanting to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal down side.
      
      
      Robin
      
      Do Not Archive 
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops :-)
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      GRANSCOTT@aol.com
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time,
      indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes:
      
      	Nice advertising! 
      
      Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John
      
      
      ________________________________
      
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      <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>
      
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      Also, if you tap the sacrificial nut plate first it makes it a lot easier.
      
      Rene' Felker
      N423CF
      40322
      801-721-6080
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:53 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      
      
      You can do it with one or two sacrificial nutplates before they are riveted
      on and just clecoed in place.  Also if you are worried about scratching the
      alclad put a piece of blue tape over it.  Yeah it will take a while but
      should work.
      
      -Ben
      
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      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:21 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      
      
      BTDT. The method works in a pinch where the dimple die won't reach  and the
      metal is thin enough. However it has the disadvantage of damaging the
      aluminum layer of the ALCLAD, exposing the internal metal to corrosion. Much
      better to grind the edge from a dimple set to ensure that the dimple is set
      to the proper depth without scarring the adjacent metal. Case in point is
      the nut plate for the wing fairing on the bottom skin between the main spar
      (gear leg in place); use the screw method there. Also use of the screws is
      going to strip out a few and potentially leave some in the nut plate for
      practice with the misnamed "easy out" tool.
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:24 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      
      
      Hey Doug,
      
      I assume you mean to screw into the nut plate already in the wingtip fairing
      as the female die.  Good idea, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it
      does.
      
      Later, - Lew
      
      --------
      non-pilot
      crazy about building
      waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158738#158738
      
      
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      Hmm, they seem to do custom work.  I wonder if they would have enough interest
      from is they would come up with one to fit the hartzells.  I'll let you all know
      if I find anything new out.
      
      Michael
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:59 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      
      This was discussed in May of 2007.  The thread was pretty much identical
      last time.  Here was my response from the past.  I'll leave the spelling and
      grammar errors so we can all enjoy them again!
      
      "I contacted them a while back to inquire about using it with the hartzell
      that Van's sells and they said it would not work.  The hartzell uses a back
      plate aft of the propeller and their 14" spinner is designed to with a
      mounting plate in front of the propeller."
      
      I don't know if they have a different product available now a days though.
      
      -Ben
      
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      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
      (Michael Sausen)
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:29 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
      
      Awesome!  Anyone else have any experience with these guys?
      
      Michael
      Do not archive
      
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      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      
      UHS  sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices,  and they will do
      custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their
      13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com
      
      Steve
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743
      
      
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      I would be interested-perhaps a group buy opportunity
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
      Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 8:49 am
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      
      <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
      
      Hmm, they seem to do custom work.  I wonder if they would have enough interest
      
      from is they would come up with one to fit the hartzells.  I'll let you all know
      
      if I find anything new out.
      
      Michael
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] 
      On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:59 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      
      This was discussed in May of 2007.  The thread was pretty much identical
      last time.  Here was my response from the past.  I'll leave the spelling and
      grammar errors so we can all enjoy them again!
      
      "I contacted them a while back to inquire about using it with the hartzell
      that Van's sells and they said it would not work.  The hartzell uses a back
      plate aft of the propeller and their 14" spinner is designed to with a
      mounting plate in front of the propeller."
      
      I don't know if they have a different product available now a days though.
      
      -Ben
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
      (Michael Sausen)
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:29 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
      
      Awesome!  Anyone else have any experience with these guys?
      
      Michael
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
      
      
      UHS  sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices,  and they will do
      custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their
      13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com
      
      Steve
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743
      
      
      ________________________________________________________________________
      
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| Subject:  | Back of spinner to front of starter distance | 
      
      
      Anyone have the distance from the back of the spinner to the toothed gear on the
      MT 3 blade? I want to do the spacer and flange method but I think I may need
      to mount the prop and install the spinner to get the correct distance unless
      someone has the measurment. I hate to haul the prop back from the hangar just
      to cut the cowl.
      
      Rick S.
      40185
      
      
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      The concern should always be present and is greater when the build
      quality is not first rate.  The number is safely VAN conservative and
      there are steps and features which can be built into the aircraft to
      attain a more reasonable reduction of flutter.
      
      The Rockets have figured out both the (Ken Scott) propaganda and the
      feature improvements.
      
      The official VANS word is not more than a +/- 10% deviation. Hence 26
      more ponies = 276bhp at MSL. A few simple alterations makes for a safer
      airframe.
      
      John
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
      McMullen
      Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:06 PM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
      Is there no concern about the reduced flutter margin with the
      additional power, above Van's design limit? Or has someone figgered
      out how to increase the design flutter TAS?
      
      
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| Subject:  | Back of spinner to front of starter distance | 
      
      
      Hey Rick - 
      
      I just bit the bullet and mounted the prop so that I could be sure to
      get the cowl install right, but I can take measurements for you when I
      get home if you like.  I'll take pictures if you want.  Let me know!
      
      cj
      #40410
      www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:25 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance
      
      
      Anyone have the distance from the back of the spinner to the toothed
      gear on the MT 3 blade? I want to do the spacer and flange method but I
      think I may need to mount the prop and install the spinner to get the
      correct distance unless someone has the measurment. I hate to haul the
      prop back from the hangar just to cut the cowl.
      
      Rick S.
      40185
      
      
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      Screw it into a nutplate and not the fiberglass that is backed up by the nu
      tplate....right???????
      
      Worried that the fiberglass hole is not clean or strong enough.
      
      JOhn G.> Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips> From: doug@mapcontext.com> Date
      : Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:55:21 -0800> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10-
      List message posted by: "ddnebert" <doug@mapcontext.com>> > A technique fro
      m a fellow builder - don't use a dimple die! Be sure the holes are cleaned/
      deburred, and then use the screw to do the dimpling. It will deform it perf
      ectly. I recommend using a steel screw to pilot the dimpling. Try it and se
      e what you think.> > Doug Nebert> > --------> RV-10 Builder #40546> Tail mo
      stly done, wings complete, starting SB fuse> > > > > Read this topic online
       here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158701#158701> > > 
      ==> > > 
      
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      Could someone get me a measurement from the Prop Flange to the Cowling Front? 
      I talked with Whirlwind today and they have a 14" spinner (the aerobatic spinner)
      but needs to get some measurements to see if it will direct bolt on.  
      
      TIA
      
      Nick
      
      --------
      RV-10  40569
      Finishing (forever)
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158822#158822
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Back of spinner to front of starter distance | 
      
      
      That would be great CJ,I hate to strap the prop to the top of my Expedition again
      to bring it to the garage.
      
      Rick S.
      40185
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:09:22 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance
      
      
      Hey Rick - 
      
      I just bit the bullet and mounted the prop so that I could be sure to
      get the cowl install right, but I can take measurements for you when I
      get home if you like.  I'll take pictures if you want.  Let me know!
      
      cj
      #40410
      www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:25 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance
      
      
      Anyone have the distance from the back of the spinner to the toothed
      gear on the MT 3 blade? I want to do the spacer and flange method but I
      think I may need to mount the prop and install the spinner to get the
      correct distance unless someone has the measurment. I hate to haul the
      prop back from the hangar just to cut the cowl.
      
      Rick S.
      40185
      
      
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| Subject:  | The Greening of General Aviation | 
      
      What are those Swedish dudes up to that they aren't sharing with the rest of us?
      
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080117/sc_space/thegreeningofgeneralaviation
      "In the U.S., the research focus has been primarily on replacing 100LL
      with something else -- an approach that has yet to bear fruit. In Sweden
      however, more than 70 locations have been offering 91/96 octane
      unleaded gas as a substitute for 100LL for over 15 years without
      difficulty."
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      Looking for last minute shopping deals?  
      
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| Subject:  | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition,  we have it all. 
      Regards
      Jason 
      www.experimentalfuelinjection.com
      661 428-1850
      
      
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| Subject:  | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      
      How about a simple mechanical fuel injection system for the Rotax?  Seems simpler
      than strapping a 55 amp alternator on a Rotax.  You got that for spamming us?
      No one here will be using a Rotax on their RV-10.
      
      William
      http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
      "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those
      who matter don't mind."
      -- Dr. Suess 
      
      -------- Original Message --------
      > X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
      > 
      > I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition,  we have it all. 
      > Regards
      > Jason 
      > www.experimentalfuelinjection.com
      > 661 428-1850 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 14" spinner) | 
      
      Are you not quoting corrected horsepower in which case your baro, OAT 
      and humidity should be calculated into the quote from the dyno? Only way 
      to compare everyones engine is with corrected HP.
      -Chris Lucas
      #40072
      do not archive
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: BPA 
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:27 AM
        Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
        Don't forget barometric pressure and humidity play a major roll in the 
      HP game. The day we ran Mikes engine we were at 100% humidity with blue 
      bird skies! I hate running engines in the summer J
      
      
        -----Original Message-----
        From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder 
      (Michael Sausen)
        Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:48 AM
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com
        Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
        Absolutely the environment will affect a dyno run.  When mine was on 
      the dyno it was during a heat wave.  BPE's dyno is in a oven so it was 
      rather hot.  (ok so it's a small room on an outside wall but it gets 
      oven hot in there)  It ran at 272HP with 100 degree inlet and 118 degree 
      fuel temp.  I expect that 272 is on the lower end of the HPmax output.
      
      
        Michael
      
        Do not archive
      
      
        From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
        Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:56 PM
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com
        Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
        If the spinner does not work on mine I would be happy to sell it to 
      you.
      
      
        Regarding: Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as Mike 
      Sausen's and Deems Davis'
      
      
        I own a small Dyno and I wonder how accurate these readings could be 
      from one engine to the next, one month to the next, mornings, nights, 
      hot, cold.
      
      
        Regarding: the reduced flutter margin with the additional power
      
      
        I to will throttle back. I fly my RV-6A EASY and still get plenty of 
      speed at 21.5"
      
      
        Getting exciting, panel in 2 (aviation) weeks.
      
      
        Robin
      
        Do Not Archive
      
      
        From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder 
      (Michael Sausen)
        Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:01 PM
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com
        Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
        Not a bad idea.  Every time I think about switching back to the 
      Hartzell I remember that I need that 14" spinner and that kills that 
      thought.
      
      
        Michael
      
      
        From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
        Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:50 PM
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com
        Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
        My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp.. Teehee
      
      
        I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it has a 
      1 in 20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of people 
      wanting to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal down side.
      
      
        Robin
      
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        From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
        Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com
        Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
        CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops J
      
      
        -----Original Message-----
        From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 
      GRANSCOTT@aol.com
        Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com
        Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner
      
      
        In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time, 
      indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes:
      
          Nice advertising! 
      
        Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John
      
      
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| Subject:  | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      
      <<No one here will be using a Rotax on their RV-10.>>
      
      Geez, and I was thinking of strapping two to each wing ;->
      
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
      Curtis
      Sent: Friday, 18 January 2008 10:10 AM
      Subject: re: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
      
      
      How about a simple mechanical fuel injection system for the Rotax?
      Seems simpler than strapping a 55 amp alternator on a Rotax.  You got
      that for spamming us?  No one here will be using a Rotax on their RV-10.
      
      William
      http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
      "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't
      matter and those who matter don't mind."
      -- Dr. Suess 
      
      -------- Original Message --------
      > X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
      > 
      > I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at
      www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel
      injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this
      in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp
      external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different
      configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From
      Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on
      fuel and ignition,  we have it all. 
      > Regards
      > Jason
      > www.experimentalfuelinjection.com
      > 661 428-1850
      
      
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| Subject:  | Conduit Fill / Size | 
      
      Group,
      
          You might find the attached Excel workbook helpful.  I spent some time 
      agonizing over size, number and how many wires would go into a  conduit. It is
      
      not very elaborate, but I found the visual helpful. The size of  the conduit 
      shown is the ID of the Van's conduit they sell and the numbers are  in 100ths of
      
      an inch along the side. The wires are shown in relative size and  the numbers 
      in the circles are the AWG gauge.
      
      Dave Syvertson
      40625
      
      
      **************Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.     
      http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
      
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      Yes.  Cleco just a COUNTERSUNK nutplate onto the aluminum directly and then
      screw in the proper screw.  When it contacts the aluminum the screw head
      makes the dimple.
      
      
      -Ben
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:11 AM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      
      
      Screw it into a nutplate and not the fiberglass that is backed up by the
      nutplate....right???????
      
      Worried that the fiberglass hole is not clean or strong enough.
      
      JOhn G.
      
      > Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      > From: doug@mapcontext.com
      > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:55:21 -0800
      > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
      > 
      > 
      > A technique from a fellow builder - don't use a dimple die! Be sure the
      holes are cleaned/deburred, and then use the screw to do the dimpling. It
      will deform it perfectly. I recommend using a steel screw to pilot the
      dimpling. Try it and see what you think.
      > 
      > Doug Nebert
      > 
      > --------
      > RV-10 Builder #40546
      > Tail mostly done, wings complete, starting SB fuse
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158701#158701
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
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      Hey Ben,
      
      I may have misunderstood, but I think the original post was about the dimples in
      the wing skin at the fairing tips -- if that's the case, there's no "clecoing
      the nutplate onto the aluminum directly" since the nutplate is on the fairing
      -- no ear holes on the aluminum to cleco to  ... right?  
      
      I've checked ours and I think there's enough room to grind the die down, so I'll
      try that first.  If not, screwing into a countersunk, tapped out nutplate mounted
      on scrap aluminum, (using tape or a dimpled washer to protect the skin)
      should do the trick.  The scrap aluminum/nutplate behind the wing skin would eliminate
      the risk of cracking the fiberglass mounted nutplates on the actual wingtip
      with the torque it would take to dimple the thicker wing skin.   And, again,
      I REALLY like my impact driver for these screw/nutplate jobs.  We'll see
      how it goes.
      
      Later, - Lew
      
      --------
      non-pilot
      crazy about building
      waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158920#158920
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Conduit Fill / Size | 
      
      
      Hey Dave,
      
      I'm very new to the group and the jargon ... help me out, "strobes" I  get, "RG's"?
      and where is the conduit running - wings? tail? battery to panel? and what
      are your other wires in the diagram?  I know ours will be unique to our needs,
      but I'm trying to absorb as much as I can!
      
      For those others that don't have Excel loaded, I downloaded a free Excel viewer at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/thankyou.aspx?familyId=c8378bf4-996c-4569-b547-75edbd03aaf0&displayLang=en 
      
      Later, - Lew
      
      --------
      non-pilot
      crazy about building
      waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158925#158925
      
      
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| Subject:  | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      Matt,
      
        Got a dumba** spammer that can't even figure out what kind of engine we u
      se.  Doesn't bode well  for anyone thinking of using something he built if 
      he can't tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax.
      
      Do not archive
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
      atronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
      
      I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimenta
      lfuelinjection.com<http://www.experimentalfuelinjection.com/> , we do it ri
      ght. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the
       set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is 
      with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 dif
      ferent configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. Fro
      m Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fue
      l and ignition,  we have it all.
      Regards
      Jason
      www.experimentalfuelinjection.com
      661 428-1850
      
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| Subject:  | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      The RV-10 may not use a rotax engine, but many other RV models do.
      sorry for the inconvenience I'm a Titan owner
      Jason
      
      "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:                   
         Matt,
         
          Got a dumba** spammer that cant even figure out what kind of engine we use.
      Doesnt bode well  for anyone thinking of using something he built if he cant
      tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax.
         
        Do not archive
         
          From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker
       Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM
       To: rv10-list@matronics.com
       Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
      
         
          I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition,  we have it all. 
       Regards
       Jason 
       www.experimentalfuelinjection.com
       661 428-1850
      
      
            
      
      
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      So here's the question.   How do you know you have the current revision 
      plans whilst your building?    I though I knew.  But I need help.      I 
      regularly check Van's SB and revision area of their web site for 
      revisions but appartenly that's not all of them.    I'm working on 
      section 39.5 preparing the aileron pushrod assemblies and the parts I 
      have don't match the drawings I have.   It turns out I have REV 0. of 
      page 39-5.   I went and checked our private archive for the print on 
      file and it turns out the REV 1. is certainly available.   But there's 
      no listing of this as a revised page on the Van's site.       So what 
      are you all doing to ensure that you have the latest information??    
      Does Van's have another list of page revisions somewhere?
      
      Thanks,
      Bob Newman
      TCW Technologies
      #40176
      
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| Subject:  | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      Two Rotax 914s with turbos are comparable to Dan Lloyd's power output so
      don't rule out RV-10s.  And let's not start another alternate engine
      thread so early in a great year.
      
      
      Anyone heard about the RV-10 on Amphibian Float project?
      
      
      John Cox
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:59 PM
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
      
      
      The RV-10 may not use a rotax engine, but many other RV models do.
      sorry for the inconvenience I'm a Titan owner
      Jason
      
      "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
      
      Matt,
      
      
        Got a dumba** spammer that can't even figure out what kind of engine
      we use.  Doesn't bode well  for anyone thinking of using something he
      built if he can't tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
      
      
      I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at
      www.experimentalfuelinjection.com
      <http://www.experimentalfuelinjection.com/>  , we do it right. First
      off, fuel injection requires 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      
      Hey!!=C2- I love my Rotax...oh wait I thought you were talking about my R
      olex.....sorry. Never mind. 
      
      Rick S. 
      
      40185 
      
      do not archive 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> 
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:22:12 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
      
      Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 
      
      
      Matt, 
      
      
      =C2- Got a dumba** spammer that can=99t even figure out what kind o
      f engine we use.=C2- Doesn=99t bode well=C2- for anyone thinking 
      of using something he built if he can=99t tell the difference between
       a O-540 and a Rotax. 
      
      
      Do not archive 
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
      atronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker 
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM 
      Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 
      
      
      I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection , but at www.experiment
      alfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-
      9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way t
      o properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups ar
      e simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 diffe
      rent configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, 
      to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition,=C2- we have it all. 
      Regards 
      Jason 
      www.experimentalfuelinjection.com 
      ==============
      ====
      =======================
      ==
      
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| Subject:  | Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      I don't know of any of Van's RV's that have flown with a Rotax other 
      than the still in prototype stage RV-12...anyone else know of one?
      You are still a spammer.
      
      Max
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: jason Parker 
        To: rv10-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:59 PM
        Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
      
      
        The RV-10 may not use a rotax engine, but many other RV models do.
        sorry for the inconvenience I'm a Titan owner
        Jason
      
        "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
          Matt,
      
            Got a dumba** spammer that can't even figure out what kind of 
      engine we use.  Doesn't bode well  for anyone thinking of using 
      something he built if he can't tell the difference between a O-540 and a 
      Rotax.
      
          Do not archive
      
          From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker
          Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM
          To: rv10-list@matronics.com
          Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
      
          I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at 
      www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel 
      injection requires 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Timeless voices of aviation | 
      
      
      Hey Guys and Gals,
      
      For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this story. Sorry
      I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in peace and in war.
      Great story.
      
      http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331
      
      Rick S.
      40185 
      do not archive
      
      
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      Yeah my bad... that is correct.  I obviously didn't think it through all the
      way.
      
      -Ben
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:56 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips
      
      
      Hey Ben,
      
      I may have misunderstood, but I think the original post was about the
      dimples in the wing skin at the fairing tips -- if that's the case, there's
      no "clecoing the nutplate onto the aluminum directly" since the nutplate is
      on the fairing -- no ear holes on the aluminum to cleco to  ... right?  
      
      I've checked ours and I think there's enough room to grind the die down, so
      I'll try that first.  If not, screwing into a countersunk, tapped out
      nutplate mounted on scrap aluminum, (using tape or a dimpled washer to
      protect the skin) should do the trick.  The scrap aluminum/nutplate behind
      the wing skin would eliminate the risk of cracking the fiberglass mounted
      nutplates on the actual wingtip with the torque it would take to dimple the
      thicker wing skin.   And, again, I REALLY like my impact driver for these
      screw/nutplate jobs.  We'll see how it goes.
      
      Later, - Lew
      
      --------
      non-pilot
      crazy about building
      waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158920#158920
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: plans revisions | 
      
      
      Unfortunately, as far as I've ever known, the only revisions that Van's
      puts out are ones that they think might be critical, or that are
      causing them too many headaches to answer the question.  The normal
      minor revisions just don't get any press time at all.  So your best
      bet is to just keep in touch with the builders I guess.  Glad you
      at least got Rev.1 figured out.  If it weren't such a pain to
      track this without factory help, I'd be happy to keep a list of
      the various pages and revision levels and rev dates....but without
      factory help, it would just be a miserable task.
      
      Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
      do not archive
      
      
      Bob-tcw wrote:
      > So here's the question.   How do you know you have the current revision 
      > plans whilst your building?    I though I knew.  But I need help.      I 
      > regularly check Van's SB and revision area of their web site for 
      > revisions but appartenly that's not all of them.    I'm working on 
      > section 39.5 preparing the aileron pushrod assemblies and the parts I 
      > have don't match the drawings I have.   It turns out I have REV 0. of 
      > page 39-5.   I went and checked our private archive for the print on 
      > file and it turns out the REV 1. is certainly available.   But there's 
      > no listing of this as a revised page on the Van's site.       So what 
      > are you all doing to ensure that you have the latest information??    
      > Does Van's have another list of page revisions somewhere?
      >  
      > Thanks,
      > Bob Newman
      > TCW Technologies
      > #40176
      > 
      > *
      
      
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| Subject:  | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 | 
      
      So much for knowing your audience!  How many 912s could you fit under the
      cowl to make a -10 fly right?
      
      
      Marcus
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
      
      
      I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at
      <http://www.experimentalfuelinjection.com/>
      www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel
      injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in
      mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external
      alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of
      912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port
      fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition,  we have it
      all. 
      Regards
      Jason 
      www.experimentalfuelinjection.com
      661 428-1850
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Conduit Fill / Size | 
      
      
      Lew,
      
      The "RG" is coax cable for antennas.  RG-400, RG-142, RG-58, etc. In wing
      conduit, this is likely for wing tip VHF or VOR antennas.  
      
      The main conduit runs in the RV-10 are from the forward fuselage to the aft
      fuselage, and from each wing root to wing tip.
      
      Best Regards,
      Patrick #40715 / N690CT
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:18 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Re: Conduit Fill / Size
      
      
      Hey Dave,
      
      I'm very new to the group and the jargon ... help me out, "strobes" I  get,
      "RG's"? and where is the conduit running - wings? tail? battery to panel?
      and what are your other wires in the diagram?  I know ours will be unique to
      our needs, but I'm trying to absorb as much as I can!
      
      For those others that don't have Excel loaded, I downloaded a free Excel
      viewer at
      http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/thankyou.aspx?familyId=c8378bf4-996c-4569
      -b547-75edbd03aaf0&displayLang=en 
      
      Later, - Lew
      
      --------
      non-pilot
      crazy about building
      waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158925#158925
      
      
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| Subject:  | Timeless voices of aviation | 
      
      
      Great story, thanks!
      
      Marcus
      Former F-16 driver
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
      Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:52 PM
      Subject: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
      
      
      Hey Guys and Gals,
      
      For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this story.
      Sorry I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in peace and in
      war. Great story.
      
      http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331
      
      Rick S.
      40185 
      do not archive
      
      
 
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