---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/17/08: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: wing tips (Lew Gallagher) 2. 05:05 AM - Re: 14" spinner (steveadams) 3. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: wing tips (David McNeill) 4. 05:30 AM - Re: Aircraft Mutual Benefit (linn Walters) 5. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 6. 06:52 AM - Re: 14" spinner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 7. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: wing tips (Ben Westfall) 8. 06:59 AM - Re: 14" spinner (BPA) 9. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (Ben Westfall) 10. 07:27 AM - Re: 14" spinner (BPA) 11. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: wing tips (Rene Felker) 12. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 13. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (pilotdds@aol.com) 14. 09:29 AM - Back of spinner to front of starter distance (Rick Sked) 15. 09:30 AM - Re: 14" spinner (John W. Cox) 16. 10:17 AM - Re: Back of spinner to front of starter distance (Chris Johnston) 17. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: wing tips (John Gonzalez) 18. 10:38 AM - Re: 14" spinner (Nick Nafsinger) 19. 10:40 AM - Re: Back of spinner to front of starter distance (Rick Sked) 20. 11:35 AM - The Greening of General Aviation (Jay Brinkmeyer) 21. 02:37 PM - fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (jason Parker) 22. 03:33 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (William Curtis) 23. 03:40 PM - Engine HP (Was Re: 14" spinner) (Chris) 24. 03:46 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (McGANN, Ron) 25. 04:08 PM - Conduit Fill / Size (Dsyvert@aol.com) 26. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: wing tips (Ben Westfall) 27. 05:01 PM - Re: wing tips (Lew Gallagher) 28. 05:22 PM - Re: Conduit Fill / Size (Lew Gallagher) 29. 05:26 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 30. 06:07 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (jason Parker) 31. 06:17 PM - plans revisions (Bob-tcw) 32. 06:34 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (John W. Cox) 33. 07:35 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (Rick Sked) 34. 07:35 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (Max Hegler) 35. 07:56 PM - Timeless voices of aviation (Rick Sked) 36. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: wing tips (Ben Westfall) 37. 08:28 PM - Re: plans revisions (Tim Olson) 38. 08:28 PM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (Marcus Cooper) 39. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Conduit Fill / Size (Patrick ONeill) 40. 08:50 PM - Re: Timeless voices of aviation (Marcus Cooper) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:22 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Doug, I assume you mean to screw into the nut plate already in the wingtip fairing as the female die. Good idea, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it does. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building waiting on RV-10 finishing kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158738#158738 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:35 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner From: "steveadams" UHS sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices, and they will do custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their 13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:28 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips BTDT. The method works in a pinch where the dimple die won't reach and the metal is thin enough. However it has the disadvantage of damaging the aluminum layer of the ALCLAD, exposing the internal metal to corrosion. Much better to grind the edge from a dimple set to ensure that the dimple is set to the proper depth without scarring the adjacent metal. Case in point is the nut plate for the wing fairing on the bottom skin between the main spar (gear leg in place); use the screw method there. Also use of the screws is going to strip out a few and potentially leave some in the nut plate for practice with the misnamed "easy out" tool. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:24 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Hey Doug, I assume you mean to screw into the nut plate already in the wingtip fairing as the female die. Good idea, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it does. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building waiting on RV-10 finishing kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158738#158738 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:40 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit David McNeill wrote: > >Kaput. not enough interest (money commitments). Checks returned. > That's too bad. It's a great concept. From my viewpoint ...... I didn't see any 'call to arms' ...... so the lackluster interest just could be caused by poor communication. I, for one, would have poneyed up some funds ...... and I'm in the middle of the build process. The pool of 'really interested' (read the flying group) is rather small yet. Linn > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon Olesen >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:02 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft Mutual Benefit > > > >Whatever happened to Aircraft Mutual Benefit? My project is getting >much closer to turning into an airplane so my interest in insurance is >rising. > > >Sheldon Olesen > >#40080 Prepping for paint > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:38 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner Awesome! Anyone else have any experience with these guys? Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner UHS sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices, and they will do custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their 13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:51 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner Absolutely the environment will affect a dyno run. When mine was on the dy no it was during a heat wave. BPE's dyno is in a oven so it was rather hot . (ok so it's a small room on an outside wall but it gets oven hot in ther e) It ran at 272HP with 100 degree inlet and 118 degree fuel temp. I expe ct that 272 is on the lower end of the HPmax output. Michael Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:56 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner If the spinner does not work on mine I would be happy to sell it to you. Regarding: Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as Mike Sausen's and Deems Davis' I own a small Dyno and I wonder how accurate these readings could be from o ne engine to the next, one month to the next, mornings, nights, hot, cold. Regarding: the reduced flutter margin with the additional power I to will throttle back. I fly my RV-6A EASY and still get plenty of speed at 21.5" Getting exciting, panel in 2 (aviation) weeks. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner Not a bad idea. Every time I think about switching back to the Hartzell I remember that I need that 14" spinner and that kills that thought. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp.... Teehee I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it has a 1 in 20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of people wanting to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal down side. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time, indigoonlat igo@msn.com writes: Nice advertising! Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John ________________________________ Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ; - The RV10-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.nbsp; - MA TRONICS WEB http://forums.matronics.com = -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/con http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:34 AM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips You can do it with one or two sacrificial nutplates before they are riveted on and just clecoed in place. Also if you are worried about scratching the alclad put a piece of blue tape over it. Yeah it will take a while but should work. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:21 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips BTDT. The method works in a pinch where the dimple die won't reach and the metal is thin enough. However it has the disadvantage of damaging the aluminum layer of the ALCLAD, exposing the internal metal to corrosion. Much better to grind the edge from a dimple set to ensure that the dimple is set to the proper depth without scarring the adjacent metal. Case in point is the nut plate for the wing fairing on the bottom skin between the main spar (gear leg in place); use the screw method there. Also use of the screws is going to strip out a few and potentially leave some in the nut plate for practice with the misnamed "easy out" tool. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:24 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Hey Doug, I assume you mean to screw into the nut plate already in the wingtip fairing as the female die. Good idea, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it does. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building waiting on RV-10 finishing kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158738#158738 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner From: "BPA" John, I don't have Gary's test cell report in front of me, but if memory serves me, his engine is producing the same numbers as Mike, Deems and Robins as well as many others. Gary's is the first RV-10 engine we built with the Cold Air Induction. Allen Barrett -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as Mike Sausen's and Deems Davis'. I have not seen output posted for Gary Foster. Good luck with the Spinner journey. John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp.... Teehee I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it has a 1 in 20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of people wanting to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal down side. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time, indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes: Nice advertising! Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John ________________________________ Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:08 AM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner This was discussed in May of 2007. The thread was pretty much identical last time. Here was my response from the past. I'll leave the spelling and grammar errors so we can all enjoy them again! "I contacted them a while back to inquire about using it with the hartzell that Van's sells and they said it would not work. The hartzell uses a back plate aft of the propeller and their 14" spinner is designed to with a mounting plate in front of the propeller." I don't know if they have a different product available now a days though. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:29 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner Awesome! Anyone else have any experience with these guys? Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner UHS sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices, and they will do custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their 13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner From: "BPA" Don't forget barometric pressure and humidity play a major roll in the HP game. The day we ran Mikes engine we were at 100% humidity with blue bird skies! I hate running engines in the summer :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner Absolutely the environment will affect a dyno run. When mine was on the dyno it was during a heat wave. BPE's dyno is in a oven so it was rather hot. (ok so it's a small room on an outside wall but it gets oven hot in there) It ran at 272HP with 100 degree inlet and 118 degree fuel temp. I expect that 272 is on the lower end of the HPmax output. Michael Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:56 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner If the spinner does not work on mine I would be happy to sell it to you. Regarding: Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as Mike Sausen's and Deems Davis' I own a small Dyno and I wonder how accurate these readings could be from one engine to the next, one month to the next, mornings, nights, hot, cold. Regarding: the reduced flutter margin with the additional power I to will throttle back. I fly my RV-6A EASY and still get plenty of speed at 21.5" Getting exciting, panel in 2 (aviation) weeks. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner Not a bad idea. Every time I think about switching back to the Hartzell I remember that I need that 14" spinner and that kills that thought. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp.... Teehee I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it has a 1 in 20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of people wanting to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal down side. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time, indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes: Nice advertising! Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John ________________________________ Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ; - The RV10-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.nbsp; - MATRONICS WEB http://forums.matronics.com = -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/con http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ; - The RV10-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.bsp; - MATRONICS WEB http://forums.matronics.com = -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/con ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:10 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Also, if you tap the sacrificial nut plate first it makes it a lot easier. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips You can do it with one or two sacrificial nutplates before they are riveted on and just clecoed in place. Also if you are worried about scratching the alclad put a piece of blue tape over it. Yeah it will take a while but should work. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:21 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips BTDT. The method works in a pinch where the dimple die won't reach and the metal is thin enough. However it has the disadvantage of damaging the aluminum layer of the ALCLAD, exposing the internal metal to corrosion. Much better to grind the edge from a dimple set to ensure that the dimple is set to the proper depth without scarring the adjacent metal. Case in point is the nut plate for the wing fairing on the bottom skin between the main spar (gear leg in place); use the screw method there. Also use of the screws is going to strip out a few and potentially leave some in the nut plate for practice with the misnamed "easy out" tool. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:24 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Hey Doug, I assume you mean to screw into the nut plate already in the wingtip fairing as the female die. Good idea, I'll try it tomorrow and let you know how it does. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building waiting on RV-10 finishing kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158738#158738 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:07 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner Hmm, they seem to do custom work. I wonder if they would have enough interest from is they would come up with one to fit the hartzells. I'll let you all know if I find anything new out. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner This was discussed in May of 2007. The thread was pretty much identical last time. Here was my response from the past. I'll leave the spelling and grammar errors so we can all enjoy them again! "I contacted them a while back to inquire about using it with the hartzell that Van's sells and they said it would not work. The hartzell uses a back plate aft of the propeller and their 14" spinner is designed to with a mounting plate in front of the propeller." I don't know if they have a different product available now a days though. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:29 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner Awesome! Anyone else have any experience with these guys? Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner UHS sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices, and they will do custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their 13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner From: pilotdds@aol.com I would be interested-perhaps a group buy opportunity -----Original Message----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 8:49 am Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner Hmm, they seem to do custom work. I wonder if they would have enough interest from is they would come up with one to fit the hartzells. I'll let you all know if I find anything new out. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner This was discussed in May of 2007. The thread was pretty much identical last time. Here was my response from the past. I'll leave the spelling and grammar errors so we can all enjoy them again! "I contacted them a while back to inquire about using it with the hartzell that Van's sells and they said it would not work. The hartzell uses a back plate aft of the propeller and their 14" spinner is designed to with a mounting plate in front of the propeller." I don't know if they have a different product available now a days though. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:29 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner Awesome! Anyone else have any experience with these guys? Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner UHS sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices, and they will do custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their 13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:35 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance Anyone have the distance from the back of the spinner to the toothed gear on the MT 3 blade? I want to do the spacer and flange method but I think I may need to mount the prop and install the spinner to get the correct distance unless someone has the measurment. I hate to haul the prop back from the hangar just to cut the cowl. Rick S. 40185 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner From: "John W. Cox" The concern should always be present and is greater when the build quality is not first rate. The number is safely VAN conservative and there are steps and features which can be built into the aircraft to attain a more reasonable reduction of flutter. The Rockets have figured out both the (Ken Scott) propaganda and the feature improvements. The official VANS word is not more than a +/- 10% deviation. Hence 26 more ponies = 276bhp at MSL. A few simple alterations makes for a safer airframe. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner Is there no concern about the reduced flutter margin with the additional power, above Van's design limit? Or has someone figgered out how to increase the design flutter TAS? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:43 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance From: "Chris Johnston" Hey Rick - I just bit the bullet and mounted the prop so that I could be sure to get the cowl install right, but I can take measurements for you when I get home if you like. I'll take pictures if you want. Let me know! cj #40410 www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance Anyone have the distance from the back of the spinner to the toothed gear on the MT 3 blade? I want to do the spacer and flange method but I think I may need to mount the prop and install the spinner to get the correct distance unless someone has the measurment. I hate to haul the prop back from the hangar just to cut the cowl. Rick S. 40185 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:06 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Screw it into a nutplate and not the fiberglass that is backed up by the nu tplate....right??????? Worried that the fiberglass hole is not clean or strong enough. JOhn G.> Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips> From: doug@mapcontext.com> Date : Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:55:21 -0800> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10- List message posted by: "ddnebert" > > A technique fro m a fellow builder - don't use a dimple die! Be sure the holes are cleaned/ deburred, and then use the screw to do the dimpling. It will deform it perf ectly. I recommend using a steel screw to pilot the dimpling. Try it and se e what you think.> > Doug Nebert> > --------> RV-10 Builder #40546> Tail mo stly done, wings complete, starting SB fuse> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158701#158701> > > ==> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:18 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner From: "Nick Nafsinger" Could someone get me a measurement from the Prop Flange to the Cowling Front? I talked with Whirlwind today and they have a 14" spinner (the aerobatic spinner) but needs to get some measurements to see if it will direct bolt on. TIA Nick -------- RV-10 40569 Finishing (forever) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158822#158822 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:50 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance That would be great CJ,I hate to strap the prop to the top of my Expedition again to bring it to the garage. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Johnston" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:09:22 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance Hey Rick - I just bit the bullet and mounted the prop so that I could be sure to get the cowl install right, but I can take measurements for you when I get home if you like. I'll take pictures if you want. Let me know! cj #40410 www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: RV10-List: Back of spinner to front of starter distance Anyone have the distance from the back of the spinner to the toothed gear on the MT 3 blade? I want to do the spacer and flange method but I think I may need to mount the prop and install the spinner to get the correct distance unless someone has the measurment. I hate to haul the prop back from the hangar just to cut the cowl. Rick S. 40185 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:08 AM PST US From: Jay Brinkmeyer Subject: RV10-List: The Greening of General Aviation What are those Swedish dudes up to that they aren't sharing with the rest of us? http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080117/sc_space/thegreeningofgeneralaviation "In the U.S., the research focus has been primarily on replacing 100LL with something else -- an approach that has yet to bear fruit. In Sweden however, more than 70 locations have been offering 91/96 octane unleaded gas as a substitute for 100LL for over 15 years without difficulty." Do not archive Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:22 PM PST US From: jason Parker Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition, we have it all. Regards Jason www.experimentalfuelinjection.com 661 428-1850 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:28 PM PST US Subject: re: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 From: "William Curtis" How about a simple mechanical fuel injection system for the Rotax? Seems simpler than strapping a 55 amp alternator on a Rotax. You got that for spamming us? No one here will be using a Rotax on their RV-10. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Suess -------- Original Message -------- > X-Rcpt-To: > > I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition, we have it all. > Regards > Jason > www.experimentalfuelinjection.com > 661 428-1850 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:47 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: Engine HP (Was Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner) Are you not quoting corrected horsepower in which case your baro, OAT and humidity should be calculated into the quote from the dyno? Only way to compare everyones engine is with corrected HP. -Chris Lucas #40072 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: BPA To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner Don't forget barometric pressure and humidity play a major roll in the HP game. The day we ran Mikes engine we were at 100% humidity with blue bird skies! I hate running engines in the summer J -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:48 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner Absolutely the environment will affect a dyno run. When mine was on the dyno it was during a heat wave. BPE's dyno is in a oven so it was rather hot. (ok so it's a small room on an outside wall but it gets oven hot in there) It ran at 272HP with 100 degree inlet and 118 degree fuel temp. I expect that 272 is on the lower end of the HPmax output. Michael Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:56 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner If the spinner does not work on mine I would be happy to sell it to you. Regarding: Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as Mike Sausen's and Deems Davis' I own a small Dyno and I wonder how accurate these readings could be from one engine to the next, one month to the next, mornings, nights, hot, cold. Regarding: the reduced flutter margin with the additional power I to will throttle back. I fly my RV-6A EASY and still get plenty of speed at 21.5" Getting exciting, panel in 2 (aviation) weeks. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:01 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner Not a bad idea. Every time I think about switching back to the Hartzell I remember that I need that 14" spinner and that kills that thought. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:50 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp.. Teehee I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it has a 1 in 20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of people wanting to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal down side. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops J -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time, indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes: Nice advertising! Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ; - The RV10-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.nbsp; - MATRONICS WEB http://forums.matronics.com= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/con http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ; - The RV10-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.bsp; - MATRONICS WEB http://forums.matronics.com= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/con http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 From: "McGANN, Ron" <> Geez, and I was thinking of strapping two to each wing ;-> Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Friday, 18 January 2008 10:10 AM Subject: re: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 How about a simple mechanical fuel injection system for the Rotax? Seems simpler than strapping a 55 amp alternator on a Rotax. You got that for spamming us? No one here will be using a Rotax on their RV-10. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Suess -------- Original Message -------- > X-Rcpt-To: > > I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition, we have it all. > Regards > Jason > www.experimentalfuelinjection.com > 661 428-1850 "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:33 PM PST US From: Dsyvert@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: Conduit Fill / Size Group, You might find the attached Excel workbook helpful. I spent some time agonizing over size, number and how many wires would go into a conduit. It is not very elaborate, but I found the visual helpful. The size of the conduit shown is the ID of the Van's conduit they sell and the numbers are in 100ths of an inch along the side. The wires are shown in relative size and the numbers in the circles are the AWG gauge. Dave Syvertson 40625 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:18 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Yes. Cleco just a COUNTERSUNK nutplate onto the aluminum directly and then screw in the proper screw. When it contacts the aluminum the screw head makes the dimple. -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Screw it into a nutplate and not the fiberglass that is backed up by the nutplate....right??????? Worried that the fiberglass hole is not clean or strong enough. JOhn G. > Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips > From: doug@mapcontext.com > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:55:21 -0800 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > A technique from a fellow builder - don't use a dimple die! Be sure the holes are cleaned/deburred, and then use the screw to do the dimpling. It will deform it perfectly. I recommend using a steel screw to pilot the dimpling. Try it and see what you think. > > Doug Nebert > > -------- > RV-10 Builder #40546 > Tail mostly done, wings complete, starting SB fuse > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158701#158701 > > > > > > > >============== > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:41 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Ben, I may have misunderstood, but I think the original post was about the dimples in the wing skin at the fairing tips -- if that's the case, there's no "clecoing the nutplate onto the aluminum directly" since the nutplate is on the fairing -- no ear holes on the aluminum to cleco to ... right? I've checked ours and I think there's enough room to grind the die down, so I'll try that first. If not, screwing into a countersunk, tapped out nutplate mounted on scrap aluminum, (using tape or a dimpled washer to protect the skin) should do the trick. The scrap aluminum/nutplate behind the wing skin would eliminate the risk of cracking the fiberglass mounted nutplates on the actual wingtip with the torque it would take to dimple the thicker wing skin. And, again, I REALLY like my impact driver for these screw/nutplate jobs. We'll see how it goes. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building waiting on RV-10 finishing kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158920#158920 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:05 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Conduit Fill / Size From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Dave, I'm very new to the group and the jargon ... help me out, "strobes" I get, "RG's"? and where is the conduit running - wings? tail? battery to panel? and what are your other wires in the diagram? I know ours will be unique to our needs, but I'm trying to absorb as much as I can! For those others that don't have Excel loaded, I downloaded a free Excel viewer at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/thankyou.aspx?familyId=c8378bf4-996c-4569-b547-75edbd03aaf0&displayLang=en Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building waiting on RV-10 finishing kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158925#158925 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:29 PM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 Matt, Got a dumba** spammer that can't even figure out what kind of engine we u se. Doesn't bode well for anyone thinking of using something he built if he can't tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax. Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimenta lfuelinjection.com , we do it ri ght. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 dif ferent configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. Fro m Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fue l and ignition, we have it all. Regards Jason www.experimentalfuelinjection.com 661 428-1850 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:04 PM PST US From: jason Parker Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 The RV-10 may not use a rotax engine, but many other RV models do. sorry for the inconvenience I'm a Titan owner Jason "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: Matt, Got a dumba** spammer that cant even figure out what kind of engine we use. Doesnt bode well for anyone thinking of using something he built if he cant tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax. Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition, we have it all. Regards Jason www.experimentalfuelinjection.com 661 428-1850 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:48 PM PST US From: "Bob-tcw" Subject: RV10-List: plans revisions So here's the question. How do you know you have the current revision plans whilst your building? I though I knew. But I need help. I regularly check Van's SB and revision area of their web site for revisions but appartenly that's not all of them. I'm working on section 39.5 preparing the aileron pushrod assemblies and the parts I have don't match the drawings I have. It turns out I have REV 0. of page 39-5. I went and checked our private archive for the print on file and it turns out the REV 1. is certainly available. But there's no listing of this as a revised page on the Van's site. So what are you all doing to ensure that you have the latest information?? Does Van's have another list of page revisions somewhere? Thanks, Bob Newman TCW Technologies #40176 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:04 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 From: "John W. Cox" Two Rotax 914s with turbos are comparable to Dan Lloyd's power output so don't rule out RV-10s. And let's not start another alternate engine thread so early in a great year. Anyone heard about the RV-10 on Amphibian Float project? John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 The RV-10 may not use a rotax engine, but many other RV models do. sorry for the inconvenience I'm a Titan owner Jason "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: Matt, Got a dumba** spammer that can't even figure out what kind of engine we use. Doesn't bode well for anyone thinking of using something he built if he can't tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax. Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:19 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 Hey!!=C2- I love my Rotax...oh wait I thought you were talking about my R olex.....sorry. Never mind. Rick S. 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:22:12 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 Matt, =C2- Got a dumba** spammer that can=99t even figure out what kind o f engine we use.=C2- Doesn=99t bode well=C2- for anyone thinking of using something he built if he can=99t tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax. Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection , but at www.experiment alfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8- 9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way t o properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups ar e simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 diffe rent configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition,=C2- we have it all. Regards Jason www.experimentalfuelinjection.com ============== ==== ======================= == ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:37 PM PST US From: "Max Hegler" Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 I don't know of any of Van's RV's that have flown with a Rotax other than the still in prototype stage RV-12...anyone else know of one? You are still a spammer. Max ----- Original Message ----- From: jason Parker To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 The RV-10 may not use a rotax engine, but many other RV models do. sorry for the inconvenience I'm a Titan owner Jason "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: Matt, Got a dumba** spammer that can't even figure out what kind of engine we use. Doesn't bode well for anyone thinking of using something he built if he can't tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax. Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:20 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation Hey Guys and Gals, For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this story. Sorry I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in peace and in war. Great story. http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331 Rick S. 40185 do not archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:06 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Yeah my bad... that is correct. I obviously didn't think it through all the way. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing tips Hey Ben, I may have misunderstood, but I think the original post was about the dimples in the wing skin at the fairing tips -- if that's the case, there's no "clecoing the nutplate onto the aluminum directly" since the nutplate is on the fairing -- no ear holes on the aluminum to cleco to ... right? I've checked ours and I think there's enough room to grind the die down, so I'll try that first. If not, screwing into a countersunk, tapped out nutplate mounted on scrap aluminum, (using tape or a dimpled washer to protect the skin) should do the trick. The scrap aluminum/nutplate behind the wing skin would eliminate the risk of cracking the fiberglass mounted nutplates on the actual wingtip with the torque it would take to dimple the thicker wing skin. And, again, I REALLY like my impact driver for these screw/nutplate jobs. We'll see how it goes. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building waiting on RV-10 finishing kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158920#158920 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:05 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: plans revisions Unfortunately, as far as I've ever known, the only revisions that Van's puts out are ones that they think might be critical, or that are causing them too many headaches to answer the question. The normal minor revisions just don't get any press time at all. So your best bet is to just keep in touch with the builders I guess. Glad you at least got Rev.1 figured out. If it weren't such a pain to track this without factory help, I'd be happy to keep a list of the various pages and revision levels and rev dates....but without factory help, it would just be a miserable task. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Bob-tcw wrote: > So here's the question. How do you know you have the current revision > plans whilst your building? I though I knew. But I need help. I > regularly check Van's SB and revision area of their web site for > revisions but appartenly that's not all of them. I'm working on > section 39.5 preparing the aileron pushrod assemblies and the parts I > have don't match the drawings I have. It turns out I have REV 0. of > page 39-5. I went and checked our private archive for the print on > file and it turns out the REV 1. is certainly available. But there's > no listing of this as a revised page on the Van's site. So what > are you all doing to ensure that you have the latest information?? > Does Van's have another list of page revisions somewhere? > > Thanks, > Bob Newman > TCW Technologies > #40176 > > * ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:47 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 So much for knowing your audience! How many 912s could you fit under the cowl to make a -10 fly right? Marcus _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition, we have it all. Regards Jason www.experimentalfuelinjection.com 661 428-1850 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:52 PM PST US From: "Patrick ONeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Conduit Fill / Size Lew, The "RG" is coax cable for antennas. RG-400, RG-142, RG-58, etc. In wing conduit, this is likely for wing tip VHF or VOR antennas. The main conduit runs in the RV-10 are from the forward fuselage to the aft fuselage, and from each wing root to wing tip. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 / N690CT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Conduit Fill / Size Hey Dave, I'm very new to the group and the jargon ... help me out, "strobes" I get, "RG's"? and where is the conduit running - wings? tail? battery to panel? and what are your other wires in the diagram? I know ours will be unique to our needs, but I'm trying to absorb as much as I can! For those others that don't have Excel loaded, I downloaded a free Excel viewer at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/thankyou.aspx?familyId=c8378bf4-996c-4569 -b547-75edbd03aaf0&displayLang=en Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building waiting on RV-10 finishing kit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158925#158925 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:25 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation Great story, thanks! Marcus Former F-16 driver -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation Hey Guys and Gals, For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this story. Sorry I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in peace and in war. Great story. http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331 Rick S. 40185 do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.