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1. 03:16 AM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (William Curtis)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: fuel injection for your 912 or 914 (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Conduit Fill / Size (Lew Gallagher)
4. 05:06 AM - Rudder trim (Lew Gallagher)
5. 05:11 AM - Re: Timeless voices of aviation (Phillips, Jack)
6. 06:07 AM - Re: Engine HP (Was Re: 14" spinner) (BPA)
7. 07:04 AM - Couple of FYI's (John Jessen)
8. 07:07 AM - Couple of FYI's (John Jessen)
9. 07:29 AM - Re: Timeless voices of aviation (Pascal)
10. 07:33 AM - Re: The Greening of General Aviation (johngoodman)
11. 07:46 AM - Re: Couple of FYI's (Vernon Smith)
12. 07:47 AM - Re: Rudder trim (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
13. 08:36 AM - Re: Rudder trim (The Gurley Family)
14. 08:44 AM - CH Sticks and panel interference (Michael Wellenzohn)
15. 09:42 AM - Re: Timeless voices of aviation (William Curtis)
16. 10:00 AM - Re: Timeless voices of aviation (Phillips, Jack)
17. 10:02 AM - Re: Timeless voices of aviation (Kelly McMullen)
18. 10:09 AM - Re: CH Sticks and panel interference (Deems Davis)
19. 10:13 AM - Re: Rudder trim ()
20. 10:18 AM - Re: Timeless voices of aviation (Rick Sked)
21. 10:48 AM - Re: Rudder trim (Tim Olson)
22. 10:53 AM - Re: Rudder trim (William Curtis)
23. 11:07 AM - Re: Rudder trim (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
24. 11:27 AM - Re: Rudder trim (Mark Ritter)
25. 11:35 AM - Re: CH Sticks and panel interference (Michael Wellenzohn)
26. 11:51 AM - Re: Rudder trim (MauleDriver)
27. 12:18 PM - Re: Rudder trim (Michael Schipper)
28. 01:14 PM - Re: CH Sticks and panel interference (Patrick ONeill)
29. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: 14" spinner (PJ Seipel)
30. 01:56 PM - Re: CH Sticks and panel interference (Michael Wellenzohn)
31. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: CH Sticks and panel interference (Rene Felker)
32. 02:28 PM - FW: 14" Spinner question (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
33. 05:42 PM - Aircrafter's Composite Seminar (Bob Leffler)
34. 06:59 PM - Incoming Empennage Kit (Chuck Henry)
35. 07:49 PM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (John Cram)
36. 08:15 PM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Rick Sked)
37. 08:18 PM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Rick Sked)
38. 08:22 PM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Rene)
39. 08:29 PM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Chris and Susie McGough)
40. 08:37 PM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Jesse Saint)
41. 08:42 PM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Tim Olson)
42. 09:13 PM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (dogsbark@comcast.net)
43. 11:12 PM - Re: RV-10 finishing kit-recommended deletions??? (AirMike)
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| Subject: | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 |
Jason,
Really, name two RVs that use the Rotax? I'll help you out with the first one;
the one and only prototype RV-12. What are the others? And what relevance is
it to the RV-10 list for an unsolicited posting such as this?
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those
who matter don't mind."
-- Dr. Suess
-------- Original Message --------
>
> The RV-10 may not use a rotax engine, but many other RV models do.
> sorry for the inconvenience I'm a Titan owner
> Jason
>
> "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
Matt,
>
> Got a dumba** spammer that cant even figure out what kind of engine we use.
Doesnt bode well for anyone thinking of using something he built if he cant
tell the difference between a O-540 and a Rotax.
>
> Do not archive
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jason Parker
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: fuel injection for your 912 or 914
>
>
> I have seen may people attempt to do fuel injection, but at www.experimentalfuelinjection.com , we do it right. First off, fuel injection requires 8-9amps no matter who is making the set up. With this in mind, the only way to properly run fuel injection is with a 55 amp external alt. Our set ups are simply the best. We offer 4 different configurations of 912's and 5 different configurations of 914's. From Intercooled direct port fuel injection, to truly redundant set ups on fuel and ignition, we have it all.
> Regards
> Jason
> www.experimentalfuelinjection.com
> 661 428-1850
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| Subject: | fuel injection for your 912 or 914 |
Maybe he meant fuel injection for a PORSCHE 914! The word ROTAX is
actually not mentioned . . .
TDT
(Planning for two Rotax 914s driving counter-rotating props on
concentric shafts for the RV-10 . . .)
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| Subject: | Re: Conduit Fill / Size |
Hey Patrick,
Ahhh, now I know! It's so much easier to just ask stuff instead of floundering.
Thanks for the answer.
Hopefully we're picking up the finishing kit today, and the process is started
to get my own builder's number.
Later, - Lew
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Here's one for discussion. I've been reading about whether to add rudder trim
or not, static or electric, needing a bit of right rudder pressure at cruise speed,
etc. Keep in mind, I'm not a pilot.
The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks in the windshield
bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me that another builder corrected
for rudder trim by moving the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer 3/32
to the left on his -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing this -- and if
I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is certainly more fun!
Thoughts?
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
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| Subject: | Timeless voices of aviation |
Thanks Rick for passing that along. I get HotLine but bleeped right
past this story. Since my first job out of college was working as a
young engineer on the initial design of the F-16 (Who would have thought
back in 1975 that this would still be a front line fighter plane?) I'm
sort of partial to it as well.
Jack Phillips
#40610
Wing Kit on Order
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
Hey Guys and Gals,
For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this
story. Sorry I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in
peace and in war. Great story.
http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: 14" spinner) |
Yes, corrected HP is being quoted. And you are correct that these
figures are calculated in.
Allen B
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:36 PM
Subject: Engine HP (Was Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner)
Are you not quoting corrected horsepower in which case your baro, OAT
and humidity should be calculated into the quote from the dyno? Only way
to compare everyones engine is with corrected HP.
-Chris Lucas
#40072
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----- Original Message -----
From: BPA <mailto:BPA@bpaengines.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
Don't forget barometric pressure and humidity play a major roll
in the HP game. The day we ran Mikes engine we were at 100% humidity
with blue bird skies! I hate running engines in the summer :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:48 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
Absolutely the environment will affect a dyno run. When mine
was on the dyno it was during a heat wave. BPE's dyno is in a oven so
it was rather hot. (ok so it's a small room on an outside wall but it
gets oven hot in there) It ran at 272HP with 100 degree inlet and 118
degree fuel temp. I expect that 272 is on the lower end of the HPmax
output.
Michael
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:56 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
If the spinner does not work on mine I would be happy to sell it
to you.
Regarding: Robin, your BPE seems to be consistently strong as
Mike Sausen's and Deems Davis'
I own a small Dyno and I wonder how accurate these readings
could be from one engine to the next, one month to the next, mornings,
nights, hot, cold.
Regarding: the reduced flutter margin with the additional power
I to will throttle back. I fly my RV-6A EASY and still get
plenty of speed at 21.5"
Getting exciting, panel in 2 (aviation) weeks.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:01 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
Not a bad idea. Every time I think about switching back to the
Hartzell I remember that I need that 14" spinner and that kills that
thought.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:50 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
My BPE didn't come with a horn! But it did come with 293 Hp....
Teehee
I picked up a 14" spinner on ebay for $250. My guess is that it
has a 1 in 20 chance of fitting. If it doesn't there is a long line of
people wanting to purchase it on ebay so I figured there was minimal
down side.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:12 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 14" spinner
CHEAP advertising at that!! Good oops :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:44 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 14" spinner
In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:42:10 AM Central Standard Time,
indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes:
Nice advertising!
Don't think Rhonda needs to toot their horn...John
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Just an FYI....
I just "discovered" these online courses from the AOPA. I have seen
references to them on many occassions, but was always too much in a hurry to
click on over. Worth taking a look, especially when you get some time off
from deburrrrrring.
http://www.aopa.org/asf/online_courses/
There is also a nice chart out about the minimal requirements for Day VFR /
Night VFR / IFR. I have not taken a real close look to see if this is both
accurate and complete, but it's at least a good starting point.
http://www.rainierultralightengines.com/forms/Minimum_Inst_Requirements.pdf
John Jessen
40328
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Just an FYI....
I just "discovered" these online courses from the AOPA. I have seen
references to them on many occassions, but was always too much in a hurry to
click on over. Worth taking a look, especially when you get some time off
from deburrrrrring.
http://www.aopa.org/asf/online_courses/
There is also a nice chart out about the minimal requirements for Day VFR /
Night VFR / IFR. I have not taken a real close look to see if this is both
accurate and complete, but it's at least a good starting point.
http://www.rainierultralightengines.com/forms/Minimum_Inst_Requirements.pdf
John Jessen
40328
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| Subject: | Re: Timeless voices of aviation |
(Who would have thought back in 1975 that this would still be a front line
fighter plane?)
ha ha.. well what about that UH-1 Huey, they are still flying some of those
Vietnam era helos..
Other than wrecking nice Airforce trainers at least the military sucks
everything out of the aircraft they use.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:05 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
> <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>
> Thanks Rick for passing that along. I get HotLine but bleeped right
> past this story. Since my first job out of college was working as a
> young engineer on the initial design of the F-16 (Who would have thought
> back in 1975 that this would still be a front line fighter plane?) I'm
> sort of partial to it as well.
>
> Jack Phillips
> #40610
> Wing Kit on Order
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
>
>
> Hey Guys and Gals,
>
> For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this
> story. Sorry I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in
> peace and in war. Great story.
>
> http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Greening of General Aviation |
I read the article but it's only saying things we already know. I imagine the Swedes
can sell a lot of mogas to general aviation because a huge percentage of
their airplanes are light sports with small engines. We will probably start seeing
mogas at airports after a few thousand of the LSAs with small engines show
up here.
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John,
Thanks for the FYIs. I didn't realize AOPA offered so many courses.
Vern Smith 40324
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> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV10-List: Couple of FYI's> Date: F
ri, 18 Jan 2008 06:54:53 -0800> From: n212pj@gmail.com> > --> RV10-List mes
sage posted by: John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com>> > Just an FYI.... > > I jus
t "discovered" these online courses from the AOPA. I have seen> references
to them on many occassions, but was always too much in a hurry to> click on
over. Worth taking a look, especially when you get some time off> from deb
urrrrrring. > > http://www.aopa.org/asf/online_courses/> > There is also a
nice chart out about the minimal requirements for Day VFR /> Night VFR / IF
R. I have not taken a real close look to see if this is both> accurate and
complete, but it's at least a good starting point. > > http://www.rainierul
tralightengines.com/forms/Minimum_Inst_Requirements.pdf> > John Jessen> 403
==> > >
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Van's did this on the RV-9 when they designed it, but I wouldn't touch
it on the RV-10. If they wanted it that way on the 10, they would have done it.
I myself opted for electric rudder trim and I love it.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim
Here's one for discussion. I've been reading about whether to add rudder trim
or not, static or electric, needing a bit of right rudder pressure at cruise speed,
etc. Keep in mind, I'm not a pilot.
The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks in the windshield
bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me that another builder corrected
for rudder trim by moving the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer 3/32
to the left on his -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing this -- and if
I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is certainly more fun!
Thoughts?
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
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Ray -
Did you rebalance the rudder after you installed the electric rudder trim. If
so - what did you do. I am right at that point right now - am istalling electric
rudder trim.
Thank you.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>Sent: Jan 18, 2008 10:42 AM
>To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder trim
>
>
> Van's did this on the RV-9 when they designed it, but I wouldn't touch
it on the RV-10. If they wanted it that way on the 10, they would have done
it. I myself opted for electric rudder trim and I love it.
>
>
>Thank You
>Ray Doerr
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:01 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim
>
>
>Here's one for discussion. I've been reading about whether to add rudder trim
or not, static or electric, needing a bit of right rudder pressure at cruise
speed, etc. Keep in mind, I'm not a pilot.
>
>The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks in the windshield
bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me that another builder corrected
for rudder trim by moving the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer 3/32
to the left on his -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
>
>Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing this -- and
if I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is certainly more fun!
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Later, - Lew
>
>--------
>non-pilot
>crazy about building
>waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
>
>
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| Subject: | CH Sticks and panel interference |
Group,
is there anyone who is using CH Sticks and has the problem that the stick colliding
with the panel at full forward?
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Timeless voices of aviation |
How about the B-52? First flew in 1952. They expect to fly them to 2040!
Potential B-52 pilots have or will have flown in planes their fathers and grandfathers
flew in.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those
who matter don't mind."
-- Dr. Suess
-------- Original Message --------
>
> (Who would have thought back in 1975 that this would still be a front line
> fighter plane?)
>
> ha ha.. well what about that UH-1 Huey, they are still flying some of those
> Vietnam era helos..
>
> Other than wrecking nice Airforce trainers at least the military sucks
> everything out of the aircraft they use.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:05 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
>
>
> > <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
> >
> > Thanks Rick for passing that along. I get HotLine but bleeped right
> > past this story. Since my first job out of college was working as a
> > young engineer on the initial design of the F-16 (Who would have thought
> > back in 1975 that this would still be a front line fighter plane?) I'm
> > sort of partial to it as well.
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> > #40610
> > Wing Kit on Order
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
> >
> >
> > Hey Guys and Gals,
> >
> > For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this
> > story. Sorry I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in
> > peace and in war. Great story.
> >
> > http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331
> >
> > Rick S.
> > 40185
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________
> >
> > or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please
> > notify the sender
> >
> > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands -
> > Norsk - Portuguese
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Timeless voices of aviation |
I wonder if there's anything original in any flying B-52 now? Sort of
like Grandpa's hammer...it's had 3 new handles and 2 new heads, but it's
still Grandpa's hammer
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Curtis
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
How about the B-52? First flew in 1952. They expect to fly them to
2040!
Potential B-52 pilots have or will have flown in planes their fathers
and grandfathers flew in.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't
matter and those who matter don't mind."
-- Dr. Suess
-------- Original Message --------
>
> (Who would have thought back in 1975 that this would still be a front
line
> fighter plane?)
>
> ha ha.. well what about that UH-1 Huey, they are still flying some of
those
> Vietnam era helos..
>
> Other than wrecking nice Airforce trainers at least the military sucks
> everything out of the aircraft they use.
_________________________________________________
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the sender
Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk
- Portuguese
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| Subject: | Re: Timeless voices of aviation |
Not to mention the U-2. Who knows exactly when it was launched in the
50s, and it is still operational.
On Jan 18, 2008 10:47 AM, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> How about the B-52? First flew in 1952. They expect to fly them to 2040!
> Potential B-52 pilots have or will have flown in planes their fathers and grandfathers
flew in.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
> "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and
those who matter don't mind."
> -- Dr. Suess
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> >
> > (Who would have thought back in 1975 that this would still be a front line
> > fighter plane?)
> >
> > ha ha.. well what about that UH-1 Huey, they are still flying some of those
> > Vietnam era helos..
> >
> > Other than wrecking nice Airforce trainers at least the military sucks
> > everything out of the aircraft they use.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
> >
> >
> > > <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
> > >
> > > Thanks Rick for passing that along. I get HotLine but bleeped right
> > > past this story. Since my first job out of college was working as a
> > > young engineer on the initial design of the F-16 (Who would have thought
> > > back in 1975 that this would still be a front line fighter plane?) I'm
> > > sort of partial to it as well.
> > >
> > > Jack Phillips
> > > #40610
> > > Wing Kit on Order
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Guys and Gals,
> > >
> > > For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this
> > > story. Sorry I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in
> > > peace and in war. Great story.
> > >
> > > http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331
> > >
> > > Rick S.
> > > 40185
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________
> > >
> > > or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please
> > > notify the sender
> > >
> > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands -
> > > Norsk - Portuguese
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH Sticks and panel interference |
Michael, I had the problem, and 'solved' it by cutting the grip portion
of the stick away from the curved portion, and then rotating it back
(towards the pilot) aprox 20 degrees and then haveing it rewelded.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2043.5%20Misc%20Interior%20work/slides/DSC03066.html
There are a series of 5 pics in the above link
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Michael Wellenzohn wrote:
>
> is there anyone who is using CH Sticks and has the problem that the stick colliding
with the panel at full forward?
>
>
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Lew,
Just think about it for a moment. You have high torque situations like take-offs
tht require more rudder, then cruise where you don't have the same requirement.
What ever fixed solution you implement, it can only address take off or cruise
but not both.
If you want trim in both conditions, then you'll want the electric trim mod.
bob
>
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> Date: 2008/01/18 Fri AM 08:01:04 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim
>
>
>> The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks in the windshield
bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me that another builder corrected
for rudder trim by moving the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
3/32 to the left on his -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
>
> Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing this -- and
if I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is certainly more fun!
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Timeless voices of aviation |
They are called TR-1's now...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:58:09 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
Not to mention the U-2. Who knows exactly when it was launched in the
50s, and it is still operational.
On Jan 18, 2008 10:47 AM, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> How about the B-52? First flew in 1952. They expect to fly them to 2040!
> Potential B-52 pilots have or will have flown in planes their fathers and grandfathers
flew in.
>
> William
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
> "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and
those who matter don't mind."
> -- Dr. Suess
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> >
> > (Who would have thought back in 1975 that this would still be a front line
> > fighter plane?)
> >
> > ha ha.. well what about that UH-1 Huey, they are still flying some of those
> > Vietnam era helos..
> >
> > Other than wrecking nice Airforce trainers at least the military sucks
> > everything out of the aircraft they use.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
> >
> >
> > > <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
> > >
> > > Thanks Rick for passing that along. I get HotLine but bleeped right
> > > past this story. Since my first job out of college was working as a
> > > young engineer on the initial design of the F-16 (Who would have thought
> > > back in 1975 that this would still be a front line fighter plane?) I'm
> > > sort of partial to it as well.
> > >
> > > Jack Phillips
> > > #40610
> > > Wing Kit on Order
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Timeless voices of aviation
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Guys and Gals,
> > >
> > > For all of who you don't get the EAA hotline....you have to hear this
> > > story. Sorry I'm biased because I used to take care of the Falcon, in
> > > peace and in war. Great story.
> > >
> > > http://www.eaa.org/video/timelessvoices.html?videoId=1125877331
> > >
> > > Rick S.
> > > 40185
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________
> > >
> > > or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please
> > > notify the sender
> > >
> > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands -
> > > Norsk - Portuguese
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Having flown behind fixed trim for over 250 hours, and then
switching to electric, I kind of think I may have a bit of
a good opinion...
It was very hard not to be relatively happy with fixed
trim. You take off, hold some rudder, and then really
can ignore it altogether for the most part on landing.
What wasn't so fun was having to hold a little pressure
on the pedal in cruise, if you wanted it centered.
Your Autopilot will hold the plane level, if you have
the ball centered. If you don't have the ball in the
middle though, many minor things aren't perfect. So,
you hold your foot there. Not much, mind you, but
constantly. For many flights, no big deal. The RV-10
though, is a X/C plane. Building one for local flights
only would be kind of nuts, IMHO. So after a few hours
of holding your foot there, it starts to really not be
comfortable. You cross your legs, and switch feet, hoping
that you don't have a sudden upset requiring rudder. But,
it just isn't as comfortable.
So then you switch to electric. Well, in climb, you're
climbing so quickly that trim isn't really a big deal.
Still not really needed much on landing, either. But, in
cruise you can FINALLY set that ball perfectly centered.
Then stretch BOTH your legs, and get comfortable. It's
a very minor little upgrade, with some really sweet comfort
effects.
Sure, if someone was going to go bare-bones, totally budget
RV-10, skip the rudder trim. But, I'd at least pull the
wires if you can, because you'll probably end up wanting it
after you do some long x/c flights. A bend-able or
fixed trim tab certainly can be made to be just about right
in cruise, but the problem is, cruise changes. There are
times I cruised at 170+ kts, and times when I cruised at
150-155kts. Both require different rudder inputs. Different
loadings give different cruise speeds...same with different
engine ops (LOP / ROP). So sure, it's possible to get by with
fixed trim. But, while you can get it much better, you will
still not have it perfect on every cruise flight. For me,
it was never as comfortable just flying along x/c leaving
the ball out, because my AP would then drop a wing a little
to compensate.
Certainly not a MUST have, but very very nice.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
rv@thelefflers.com wrote:
>
> Lew,
>
> Just think about it for a moment. You have high torque situations like take-offs
tht require more rudder, then cruise where you don't have the same requirement.
>
> What ever fixed solution you implement, it can only address take off or cruise
but not both.
>
> If you want trim in both conditions, then you'll want the electric trim mod.
>
> bob
>
>> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
>> Date: 2008/01/18 Fri AM 08:01:04 EST
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim
>>
>>
>>> The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks in the windshield
bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me that another builder corrected
for rudder trim by moving the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
3/32 to the left on his -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
>> Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing this -- and
if I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is certainly more fun!
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Well hopefully when taking off you have your feet on the rudder pedals and so should
not require rudder trim. The whole point of a rudder trim is to keep the
ball centered while your feet are NOT on the pedals. Even for an extended climb
you could probably tolerate keeping your feet on the pedals for the duration
of the climb. Now in cruise you would want to relax and not have to keep
your feet on the rudder pedals to keep the ball centered and here is where a trim
tab should perform most of its duty. Bottom line, a properly sized fixed
trim tab will probably accomplish 90% of what a movable trim tab would for all
but those with the most lazy of feet. A movable trim tab will give you that
last 10%.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those
who matter don't mind."
-- Dr. Suess
-------- Original Message --------
>
> Lew,
>
> Just think about it for a moment. You have high torque situations like take-offs
tht require more rudder, then cruise where you don't have the same requirement.
>
> What ever fixed solution you implement, it can only address take off or cruise
but not both.
>
> If you want trim in both conditions, then you'll want the electric trim mod.
>
> bob
>
> >
> > From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> > Date: 2008/01/18 Fri AM 08:01:04 EST
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim
> >
> >
> >> The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks in the windshield
bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me that another builder
corrected for rudder trim by moving the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
3/32 to the left on his -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
> >
> > Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing this -- and
if I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is certainly more fun!
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Later, - Lew
> >
> > --------
> > non-pilot
> > crazy about building
> > waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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No, I haven't because right now I am still unpainted.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of The Gurley Family
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder trim
Ray -
Did you rebalance the rudder after you installed the electric rudder trim. If
so - what did you do. I am right at that point right now - am istalling electric
rudder trim.
Thank you.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>Sent: Jan 18, 2008 10:42 AM
>To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder trim
>
>
> Van's did this on the RV-9 when they designed it, but I wouldn't touch
it on the RV-10. If they wanted it that way on the 10, they would have done
it. I myself opted for electric rudder trim and I love it.
>
>
>Thank You
>Ray Doerr
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:01 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim
>
>
>Here's one for discussion. I've been reading about whether to add rudder trim
or not, static or electric, needing a bit of right rudder pressure at cruise
speed, etc. Keep in mind, I'm not a pilot.
>
>The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks in the windshield
bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me that another builder corrected
for rudder trim by moving the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer 3/32
to the left on his -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
>
>Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing this -- and
if I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is certainly more fun!
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Later, - Lew
>
>--------
>non-pilot
>crazy about building
>waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
>
>
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William,
I put a rudder trim tab on my RV-10 and it works just as you described. Af
ter playing around with the length and location of the tab (purchased from
A/C Spruce) the ball is centered in cruise (65-70% of power). I don't see
a need for a movable trim tab.
Mark
RV-10/N410MR
185 Hours
</div>
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:59:36 -0600> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rudder tri
m> From: wcurtis@nerv10.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10-List m
essage posted by: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>> > Well hopefully w
hen taking off you have your feet on the rudder pedals and so should not re
quire rudder trim. The whole point of a rudder trim is to keep the ball cen
tered while your feet are NOT on the pedals. Even for an extended climb you
could probably tolerate keeping your feet on the pedals for the duration o
f the climb. Now in cruise you would want to relax and not have to keep you
r feet on the rudder pedals to keep the ball centered and here is where a t
rim tab should perform most of its duty. Bottom line, a properly sized fixe
d trim tab will probably accomplish 90% of what a movable trim tab would fo
r all but those with the most lazy of feet. A movable trim tab will give yo
u that last 10%.> > William> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/> "Be who you are an
d say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matte
r don't mind."> -- Dr. Suess > > -------- Original Message --------> > -->
RV10-List message posted by: <rv@thelefflers.com>> > > > Lew,> > > > Just t
hink about it for a moment. You have high torque situations like take-offs
tht require more rudder, then cruise where you don't have the same requirem
ent.> > > > What ever fixed solution you implement, it can only address tak
e off or cruise but not both. > > > > If you want trim in both conditions,
then you'll want the electric trim mod.> > > > bob> > > > > > > > From: "Le
w Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>> > > Date: 2008/01/18 Fri AM 08:01:04 ES
T> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim> >
et>> > > > > >> The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about
cracks in the windshield bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me tha
t another builder corrected for rudder trim by moving the leading edge of t
he vertical stabilizer 3/32 to the left on his -6. He says it has resulted
in perfect rudder trim.> > > > > > Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm n
ot even considering doing this -- and if I were, I would consult with Van's
-- but this is certainly more fun!> > > > > > Thoughts?> > > > > > Later,
- Lew> > > > > > --------> > > non-pilot> > > crazy about building> > > wai
ting on RV-10 finishing kit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic on
line here:> > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#
158991> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
==> > >
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Thanks Deems,
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (fuselage)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159076#159076
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That's exactly my experience in the Maule and the few other planes I've
flown.
Now, if I can just figure out how to put an adjustable spring in the
system rather than cutting another tab out of a control surface. That's
what the Maule has, or I should say that is half of what the Maule has.
It has a spring driven rudder trim system and a rudder tab (Jeeez!). But
the rudder tab is linked to the ailerons for coordination assist.
Com'on William, beat me too it.
Bill "just building away" Watson
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Having flown behind fixed trim for over 250 hours, and then
> switching to electric, I kind of think I may have a bit of
> a good opinion...
>
> It was very hard not to be relatively happy with fixed
> trim. You take off, hold some rudder, and then really
> can ignore it altogether for the most part on landing.
> What wasn't so fun was having to hold a little pressure
> on the pedal in cruise, if you wanted it centered.
> Your Autopilot will hold the plane level, if you have
> the ball centered. If you don't have the ball in the
> middle though, many minor things aren't perfect. So,
> you hold your foot there. Not much, mind you, but
> constantly. For many flights, no big deal. The RV-10
> though, is a X/C plane. Building one for local flights
> only would be kind of nuts, IMHO. So after a few hours
> of holding your foot there, it starts to really not be
> comfortable. You cross your legs, and switch feet, hoping
> that you don't have a sudden upset requiring rudder. But,
> it just isn't as comfortable.
>
> So then you switch to electric. Well, in climb, you're
> climbing so quickly that trim isn't really a big deal.
> Still not really needed much on landing, either. But, in
> cruise you can FINALLY set that ball perfectly centered.
> Then stretch BOTH your legs, and get comfortable. It's
> a very minor little upgrade, with some really sweet comfort
> effects.
>
> Sure, if someone was going to go bare-bones, totally budget
> RV-10, skip the rudder trim. But, I'd at least pull the
> wires if you can, because you'll probably end up wanting it
> after you do some long x/c flights. A bend-able or
> fixed trim tab certainly can be made to be just about right
> in cruise, but the problem is, cruise changes. There are
> times I cruised at 170+ kts, and times when I cruised at
> 150-155kts. Both require different rudder inputs. Different
> loadings give different cruise speeds...same with different
> engine ops (LOP / ROP). So sure, it's possible to get by with
> fixed trim. But, while you can get it much better, you will
> still not have it perfect on every cruise flight. For me,
> it was never as comfortable just flying along x/c leaving
> the ball out, because my AP would then drop a wing a little
> to compensate.
>
> Certainly not a MUST have, but very very nice.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> rv@thelefflers.com wrote:
>>
>> Lew,
>>
>> Just think about it for a moment. You have high torque situations
>> like take-offs tht require more rudder, then cruise where you don't
>> have the same requirement.
>>
>> What ever fixed solution you implement, it can only address take off
>> or cruise but not both.
>> If you want trim in both conditions, then you'll want the electric
>> trim mod.
>>
>> bob
>>
>>> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
>>> Date: 2008/01/18 Fri AM 08:01:04 EST
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim
>>>
>>>
>>>> The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks
>>>> in the windshield bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me
>>>> that another builder corrected for rudder trim by moving the
>>>> leading edge of the vertical stabilizer 3/32 to the left on his
>>>> -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
>>> Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing
>>> this -- and if I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is
>>> certainly more fun!
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Later, - Lew
>>>
>>> --------
>>> non-pilot
>>> crazy about building
>>> waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I have the same issue in my -9A as you describe. My right calf muscle
definitely gets tired on a long X/C flight.
Everything was great in cruise until I added the fairings and wheel
pants. They absolutely changed the trim situation. So if you do your
flight testing without fairings and then add them, be prepared to
adjust the trim. This is another place where electric trim might be
helpful, but I agree that manual trim will be adequate once you tweak
it for cruise.
Regards,
Mike Schipper
#40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Having flown behind fixed trim for over 250 hours, and then
> switching to electric, I kind of think I may have a bit of
> a good opinion...
>
> It was very hard not to be relatively happy with fixed
> trim. You take off, hold some rudder, and then really
> can ignore it altogether for the most part on landing.
> What wasn't so fun was having to hold a little pressure
> on the pedal in cruise, if you wanted it centered.
> Your Autopilot will hold the plane level, if you have
> the ball centered. If you don't have the ball in the
> middle though, many minor things aren't perfect. So,
> you hold your foot there. Not much, mind you, but
> constantly. For many flights, no big deal. The RV-10
> though, is a X/C plane. Building one for local flights
> only would be kind of nuts, IMHO. So after a few hours
> of holding your foot there, it starts to really not be
> comfortable. You cross your legs, and switch feet, hoping
> that you don't have a sudden upset requiring rudder. But,
> it just isn't as comfortable.
>
> So then you switch to electric. Well, in climb, you're
> climbing so quickly that trim isn't really a big deal.
> Still not really needed much on landing, either. But, in
> cruise you can FINALLY set that ball perfectly centered.
> Then stretch BOTH your legs, and get comfortable. It's
> a very minor little upgrade, with some really sweet comfort
> effects.
>
> Sure, if someone was going to go bare-bones, totally budget
> RV-10, skip the rudder trim. But, I'd at least pull the
> wires if you can, because you'll probably end up wanting it
> after you do some long x/c flights. A bend-able or
> fixed trim tab certainly can be made to be just about right
> in cruise, but the problem is, cruise changes. There are
> times I cruised at 170+ kts, and times when I cruised at
> 150-155kts. Both require different rudder inputs. Different
> loadings give different cruise speeds...same with different
> engine ops (LOP / ROP). So sure, it's possible to get by with
> fixed trim. But, while you can get it much better, you will
> still not have it perfect on every cruise flight. For me,
> it was never as comfortable just flying along x/c leaving
> the ball out, because my AP would then drop a wing a little
> to compensate.
>
> Certainly not a MUST have, but very very nice.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> rv@thelefflers.com wrote:
>> Lew,
>> Just think about it for a moment. You have high torque situations
>> like take-offs tht require more rudder, then cruise where you don't
>> have the same requirement.
>> What ever fixed solution you implement, it can only address take
>> off or cruise but not both. If you want trim in both conditions,
>> then you'll want the electric trim mod.
>> bob
>>> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
>>> Date: 2008/01/18 Fri AM 08:01:04 EST
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Rudder trim
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>> The same guy that builds and flies -6's that told me about cracks
>>>> in the windshield bond to the aluminum pulling G's, also told me
>>>> that another builder corrected for rudder trim by moving the
>>>> leading edge of the vertical stabilizer 3/32 to the left on his
>>>> -6. He says it has resulted in perfect rudder trim.
>>> Being new to this and a non-pilot, I'm not even considering doing
>>> this -- and if I were, I would consult with Van's -- but this is
>>> certainly more fun!
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Later, - Lew
>>>
>>> --------
>>> non-pilot
>>> crazy about building
>>> waiting on RV-10 finishing kit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158991#158991
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | CH Sticks and panel interference |
Michael,
Out of curiosity, are you using the stock van's panel or one of the
aftermarket panels?
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715 / N690CT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: CH Sticks and panel interference
Group,
is there anyone who is using CH Sticks and has the problem that the stick
colliding with the panel at full forward?
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (fuselage)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159035#159035
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I would definitely be interested in a cheaper alternative for the hartzell.
PJ Seipel
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Hmm, they seem to do custom work. I wonder if they would have enough interest
from is they would come up with one to fit the hartzells. I'll let you all
know if I find anything new out.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
>
>
> This was discussed in May of 2007. The thread was pretty much identical
> last time. Here was my response from the past. I'll leave the spelling and
> grammar errors so we can all enjoy them again!
>
> "I contacted them a while back to inquire about using it with the hartzell
> that Van's sells and they said it would not work. The hartzell uses a back
> plate aft of the propeller and their 14" spinner is designed to with a
> mounting plate in front of the propeller."
>
> I don't know if they have a different product available now a days though.
>
> -Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:29 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Awesome! Anyone else have any experience with these guys?
>
> Michael
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steveadams
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:00 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: 14" spinner
>
>
> UHS sells a 14 inch spinner, has reasonable prices, and they will do
> custom work. I don't know if it will fit your needs, but I have one of their
> 13inch spinners and it is very nice. http://www.uhsspinners.com
>
> Steve
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158743#158743
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH Sticks and panel interference |
Patrick,
yes I do, the strange thing is that the stick only interferes on the pilot side
( about 1 inch) but not on the co-pilot side. I got to check again if I installed
everything correctly.
I am not sure if I might be able to adjust the max full forward travel by adjusting
the rod end bearings on the push rods.
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (fuselage)
#511
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: CH Sticks and panel interference |
I have an alternate panel and had the same problem. I used the same
procedure that Scott Schmidt has on his site. (cut the stick, added about an
inch and canted it downward a little. Also, my pilot side contacted the
panel more than the co-pilot side.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: CH Sticks and panel interference
Patrick,
yes I do, the strange thing is that the stick only interferes on the pilot
side ( about 1 inch) but not on the co-pilot side. I got to check again if I
installed everything correctly.
I am not sure if I might be able to adjust the max full forward travel by
adjusting the rod end bearings on the push rods.
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (fuselage)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159101#159101
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| Subject: | FW: 14" Spinner question |
Doesn't look like they are interested yet.
Michael
From: joe murray [mailto:uhs@istar.ca]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: 14" Spinner question
Totally swamped with current line. If we ever find time, might look at it.
UHS Fiberglass
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Sausen<mailto:michael@sausen.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: 14" Spinner question
No interest in going into that market? There are a bunch of builders lookin
g for reasonable 14" spinners.
From: joe murray [mailto:uhs@istar.ca]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: 14" Spinner question
Sorry, we do not have a spinner for this application
UHS Fiberglass
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Sausen<mailto:michael@sausen.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: 14" Spinner question
I have an RV-10 with a Lyc IO-540 and a Hartzell prop. Several of the RV-1
0 builders are using a different cowl than stock and it requires a 14" spin
ner which is hard to come by. Do you have a 14" spinner that can be used w
ith a constant speed, 2 blade Hartzell?
Thanks,
Michael Sausen
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| Subject: | Aircrafter's Composite Seminar |
I'm getting into San Jose at 7:45pm on Friday and heading to the Watsonville
Comfort Inn. On Sunday, I'm heading back to the San Jose Airport Clarion
Hotel since I have an early flight on Monday morning. If anyone has a
similar schedule and want to share the expense of a car, please let me know.
Bob
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| Subject: | Incoming Empennage Kit |
Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday providing
the weather holds. With great interest I have been following this forum for
about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects which
flow through here. My question to individuals here is what are some of the
pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers? One of the
complaints I have read from a large portion of participants is the
difficulty Van's creates by having a set of plans which are hard to follow,
any comments?
Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly appreciated...
Thanks,
Chuck Henry #40802 Tail kit on the way
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
I think you will find the RV-10 plans are pretty easy to comprehend.
John
40569
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Henry<mailto:cchenry01@hotmail.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday
providing the weather holds. With great interest I have been following
this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the
subjects which flow through here. My question to individuals here is
what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the
tail feathers? One of the complaints I have read from a large portion
of participants is the difficulty Van's creates by having a set of plans
which are hard to follow, any comments?
Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly
appreciated...
Thanks,
Chuck Henry #40802 Tail kit on the way
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List<http://www.matronics.com/Nav
igator?RV10-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
Chuck,
If you haven't been there go to Tim Olson's site=C2-=C2- www.myrv10.com
he has a section called gotchas, you can also get some great pics and inst
ruction=C2-off Mike Howe's site=C2- http://www.etigerrr.com/RV10HomePag
e.htm . There are many little things, none really too serious. Stick to the
plans, ask for help if you need it here. My biggest tip is read the plans
thoroughly, cleco stuff together to see how it all fits before you break ou
t the drill, dimple dies or any other metal altering tools. It is really li
ke a big erector set. Welcome and best of luck.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Henry" <cchenry01@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:54:54 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday providin
g the weather holds.=C2- With great interest I have been following this f
orum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects
which flow through here.=C2- My question to individuals here is what are
some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers?
=C2- One of the complaints I have read from a large portion of participan
ts is the difficulty Van=99s creates by having a set of plans which a
re hard to follow, any comments?
Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly appreciated...
Thanks,
====
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==
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
Oh yeah....the plans are NOT an issue with the RV-10....the other models ar
e different in that if you have some mechanical drawing skills they are not
too bad, otherwise it is another skill you need to pickup. The RV-10 is a
breeze compared to the others.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Henry" <cchenry01@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:54:54 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday providin
g the weather holds.=C2- With great interest I have been following this f
orum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects
which flow through here.=C2- My question to individuals here is what are
some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers?
=C2- One of the complaints I have read from a large portion of participan
ts is the difficulty Van=99s creates by having a set of plans which a
re hard to follow, any comments?
Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly appreciated...
Thanks,
====
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==
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| Subject: | Incoming Empennage Kit |
I found the plans really easy to follow. Tim has a list of gotchas on
his
site, myrv10.com.
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/index.html
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday
providing
the weather holds. With great interest I have been following this forum
for
about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects which
flow through here. My question to individuals here is what are some of
the
pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers? One of
the
complaints I have read from a large portion of participants is the
difficulty Van's creates by having a set of plans which are hard to
follow,
any comments?
Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly
appreciated...
Thanks,
Chuck Henry #40802 Tail kit on the way
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
Probably the best plans you will ever get especialy compared to the old
days, + with everything pre punched . If it dosnt fit its in the wrong
place.
Just follow the plans and any dramas check the archives and if the
answer is not there then ask on the list.
The sooner you start the sooner you will finish
have fun Chris 388
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Henry
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday
providing the weather holds. With great interest I have been following
this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the
subjects which flow through here. My question to individuals here is
what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the
tail feathers? One of the complaints I have read from a large portion
of participants is the difficulty Van's creates by having a set of plans
which are hard to follow, any comments?
Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly
appreciated...
Thanks,
Chuck Henry #40802 Tail kit on the way
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
Tim has a list of gotchas and things to watch for on his website at
www.myrv10.com
. This would be a good site to read through as you go and as time
permits. Lots of great info. Also, just keep any e-mails that you
think might be helpful down the road and look through them when you
have questions (or read the archives, but searching e-mails is easier
and faster, IMHO, than using the archives online).
Welcome to the community.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Henry wrote:
> Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
>
> I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday
> providing the weather holds. With great interest I have been
> following this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will
> retain all the subjects which flow through here. My question to
> individuals here is what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate
> as I move through the tail feathers? One of the complaints I have
> read from a large portion of participants is the difficulty Van=92s
> creates by having a set of plans which are hard to follow, any
> comments?
>
> Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly
> appreciated...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck Henry #40802 Tail kit on the way
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
I'd have to agree. I think the plans are probably one of, if not
the primary, things that make the RV-10 so easy to build. There
are so many people...nearly all of the other kit builders, who have
it so much worse than we do. The only thing we lack is real
communications regarding some minor updates, and perhaps a little
rough phone support at times, but in general, most builders should
be able to do without anything but their plans, and a forum where
they can ask questions.
One of the nice things about participating here is that you can
ask questions, and get answers, in very short order, so you don't
get delayed...almost any time of day or night, you can get
questions answered. Also, being an individual email type list,
you can create subfolders, and sort and file all of the juicy tidbits
you get, and create your own personal favorites type gathering of
messages. Just hang out, ask questions, and you should be able to
get most everything you need to know to build the kit.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Cram wrote:
> I think you will find the RV-10 plans are pretty easy to comprehend.
>
> John
> 40569
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Chuck Henry <mailto:cchenry01@hotmail.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2008 6:54 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
>
> Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
>
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>
> I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday
> providing the weather holds. With great interest I have been
> following this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will
> retain all the subjects which flow through here. My question to
> individuals here is what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate
> as I move through the tail feathers? One of the complaints I have
> read from a large portion of participants is the difficulty Van's
> creates by having a set of plans which are hard to follow, any comments?
>
>
>
> Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly
> appreciated...
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>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Chuck Henry #40802 Tail kit on the way
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 finishing kit-recommended deletions??? |
I deleted the oil cooler and substituted the one sold by Alex D. in Texas.
It has 20% more capacity. In the West - extra cooling - that is a big deal.
Alex is a very nice guy to work with.
Also traded my aluminum air valves on the firewall for SS ones
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