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1. 12:27 AM - Re: It's almost a plane (Patrick ONeill)
2. 05:18 AM - Re: **Possible_Spam** It's almost a plane (Tom Ganster)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: It's almost a plane (Jesse Saint)
4. 06:23 AM - Re: It's almost a plane (Chuck Henry)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Dave Leikam)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Lew Gallagher)
7. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (James Hein)
8. 09:35 AM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Lew Gallagher)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (John Jessen)
10. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (John Jessen)
11. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (Rick Sked)
12. 01:39 PM - Nutplate source in Wichita, KS (William Britton)
13. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Incoming Empennage Kit (MauleDriver)
14. 02:45 PM - Nutplate source in Wichita, KS (William Britton)
15. 09:05 PM - B&C Aletrantors (McGANN, Ron)
16. 09:17 PM - Re: B&C Aletrantors (Gerry Filby)
17. 09:17 PM - B&C Alternators (McGANN, Ron)
18. 09:28 PM - Re: It's almost a plane (Rene)
19. 10:09 PM - Re: B&C Alternators (John Dunne)
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| Subject: | It's almost a plane |
Congratulations Rene! That's a fantastic milestone! I hope the training and
first flight go smoothly and that you're soon enjoying the hard work!
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715 / N690CT
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: It's almost a plane
After just over three years of construction N423CF received it's special
airworthiness certificate today. I would like to thank everyone on the list
for all the help. I am still a month or so away from flying, but it sure
feels good to have the pink slip. I am scheduled for Training 21/22
Feb....then to the air it goes.
Rene'
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | It's almost a plane |
Congratulation Rene=92. I have got a long way to go yet but news like
yours
keeps me plugging along.
Tom Ganster 40778 tailcone
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: **Possible_Spam** RV10-List: It's almost a plane
After just over three years of construction N423CF received it=92s
special
airworthiness certificate today. I would like to thank everyone on the
list
for all the help. I am still a month or so away from flying, but it
sure
feels good to have the pink slip. I am scheduled for Training 21/22
Feb=85=85=85.then to the air it goes.
Rene'
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
1/19/2008
6:37 PM
1/19/2008
6:37 PM
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| Subject: | Re: It's almost a plane |
Congratulations! What still has to be done before flying?
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:32 PM, Rene wrote:
> After just over three years of construction N423CF received it=92s
> special airworthiness certificate today. I would like to thank
> everyone on the list for all the help. I am still a month or so
> away from flying, but it sure feels good to have the pink slip. I
> am scheduled for Training 21/22 Feb=85=85=85.then to the air it goes.
>
> Rene'
> N423CF
> 40322
> 801-721-6080
>
>
> <Pink-Slip.gif>
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| Subject: | It's almost a plane |
Congratulations Rene', as my tail kit is sitting right now in Chicago
awaiting its next leg towards me I can only imagine the feelings generated
by your accomplishment. Just think, I haven't even debured my first hole
yet and I understand that there are a few to do.
Chuck
40208
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: It's almost a plane
After just over three years of construction N423CF received it's special
airworthiness certificate today. I would like to thank everyone on the list
for all the help. I am still a month or so away from flying, but it sure
feels good to have the pink slip. I am scheduled for Training 21/22
Feb....then to the air it goes.
Rene'
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
I find Van's plans to be very straight forward.
Dave Leikam
40496
N89DA reserved
Bottom wing skins on, moving fuse.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Henry
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday
providing the weather holds. With great interest I have been following
this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the
subjects which flow through here. My question to individuals here is
what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the
tail feathers? One of the complaints I have read from a large portion
of participants is the difficulty Van's creates by having a set of plans
which are hard to follow, any comments?
Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly
appreciated...
Thanks,
Chuck Henry #40802 Tail kit on the way
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
Hey Chuck,
I saw your comment about deburring and thought I'd pass this along: http://planetools.blogspot.com:80/2007/09/cogsdill-deburring-tools.html
I tend to be a tool freak and was excited thinking about getting getting Cogsdill's
3/32 and 1/8 deburring tools until I read the above. Now I think I'll save
the $ and stick with hand twisting a larger bit when needed, or just wiping
with an old towel when that will do it.
Someone else mentioned assembling the the elevator pushrod to the elevator bellcrank
assembly (page 10-23 when you get it) BEFORE installing the bellcrank --
and I think that is an excellent idea. We did not ... and I ended up uttering
many unintelligible sounds while impersonating a contortionist, getting the
correct combination of washers in the bearing. By the way, I finally got it by
using a magnet with which I could slide the washers one at a time in position
on the other side of the aluminum brace while feeding the bolt through -- Sheesh!
Later, - Lew
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RV-10 finishing kit has arrived!
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
I actually have the Cogsdill burraway tools. They work great, but you
need to have the correct setup!
1. You need to purchase the tools with the blades that have a neutral
rake (zero degree) to use with Aluminium. Using the wrong blade will
take off too much.
2. You will need to adjust the blade tension by turning a setscrew in
the end of the tool; I've found the speed of your drill (or whatever you
use to turn the tool) will affect how agressive the tool is. Use the
setscrew to to correct for this.
The burraway tools will NOT enlarge the inside of the holes; The top of
the blade is polished so as to not scratch the inside of the drilled hole.
What the burraway tools are terrible at is deburring holes that are out
of round, but are sometimes the only way to deburr the 'other side' of
the hole, and also work great on holes in tubing, etc.
-Jim 40384 (Bummed out currently; need to get excited about working on
the fuselage again)
Lew Gallagher wrote:
>
>Hey Chuck,
>
>I saw your comment about deburring and thought I'd pass this along: http://planetools.blogspot.com:80/2007/09/cogsdill-deburring-tools.html
>
>I tend to be a tool freak and was excited thinking about getting getting Cogsdill's
3/32 and 1/8 deburring tools until I read the above. Now I think I'll save
the $ and stick with hand twisting a larger bit when needed, or just wiping
with an old towel when that will do it.
>
>Someone else mentioned assembling the the elevator pushrod to the elevator bellcrank
assembly (page 10-23 when you get it) BEFORE installing the bellcrank --
and I think that is an excellent idea. We did not ... and I ended up uttering
many unintelligible sounds while impersonating a contortionist, getting the
correct combination of washers in the bearing. By the way, I finally got it
by using a magnet with which I could slide the washers one at a time in position
on the other side of the aluminum brace while feeding the bolt through -- Sheesh!
>
>Later, - Lew
>
>--------
>non-pilot
>crazy about building
>RV-10 finishing kit has arrived!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159382#159382
>
>
>
>
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What ...? !!! I just got emailed to superglue the washers together first. That's
waaay too easy! Man, where were you when I needed you?
Hah!
Later, - Lew
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| Subject: | Incoming Empennage Kit |
Pascal,
Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully I'll start up building again, soon.
Those wings parts sitting there are calling my name!
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
John;
Interesting you recommend Tim's site, yet make no mention of your great site
for the Empennage.
It was a large part of my basis for those first few sections.
http://www.soundingsresearch.com/RV-10/Home.htm or the www.jessen-rv10.com
<http://www.jessen-rv10.com/> under your name. Great site for step by
step..
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jessen <mailto:n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
Ach, you got nothing to worry about. The plans are easy to follow. Plus,
there are plenty of folks on this list that will help with the most basic of
questions. You've got Tim's myRV10.com site which will get you most of what
you might need to think about, plus links to other sites, all of which are
very helpful. If you are using Outlook or Thunderbird or some such email
program, just start making subfolders for your RV10 folder...I must have
twenty of them or more. Seats, doors, panel, wiring, wings, lights,
electrical, and so on. You'll get some very good posts that you can move
and store for future reference.
Les gave advice about taking a good inventory and sorting things out into
like minded parts. This is good advice and well worth the time and effort.
You will be paid back in efficiences many fold. Do it. Labeling and all.
Practice. Do some riveting, so deburring, some drilling to size, and so on.
Make sure you get good tools and for the ones that use compressed air and go
blam blam blam, make sure you have a pressure valve that will help you
regulate the strength of the blams. That way your rudder won't come out
with many dents from overly hard hitting.
You'll be fine. When you get discouraged, and you will from time-to-time,
just remember that it's a long distance run, not a sprint, and if you need
to vent, this is the perfect place to do so.
John Jessen
#40328 www.jessen-rv10.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Incoming Empennage Kit
Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,
I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday providing
the weather holds. With great interest I have been following this forum for
about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects which
flow through here. My question to individuals here is what are some of the
pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers? One of the
complaints I have read from a large portion of participants is the
difficulty Van's creates by having a set of plans which are hard to follow,
any comments?
Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly appreciated...
Thanks,
Chuck Henry #40802 Tail kit on the way
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Set the Cogsdill's correctly, and they are very nice to use. But you are
correct. Setting the internal spring pressure too high and spinning them
too fast, and you can slightly enlarge the hole. They are expensive, and
not altogether infallable (the blades break), so other techniques to get rid
of the drilling burr certainly are attractive. I like to use a reamer to
enlarge the hole, rather than a twist drill bit. That makes having a burr
even less likely. Get a magnifying glass and have a look at the difference.
Fun stuff.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Incoming Empennage Kit
Hey Chuck,
I saw your comment about deburring and thought I'd pass this along:
http://planetools.blogspot.com:80/2007/09/cogsdill-deburring-tools.html
I tend to be a tool freak and was excited thinking about getting getting
Cogsdill's 3/32 and 1/8 deburring tools until I read the above. Now I think
I'll save the $ and stick with hand twisting a larger bit when needed, or
just wiping with an old towel when that will do it.
Someone else mentioned assembling the the elevator pushrod to the elevator
bellcrank assembly (page 10-23 when you get it) BEFORE installing the
bellcrank -- and I think that is an excellent idea. We did not ... and I
ended up uttering many unintelligible sounds while impersonating a
contortionist, getting the correct combination of washers in the bearing.
By the way, I finally got it by using a magnet with which I could slide the
washers one at a time in position on the other side of the aluminum brace
while feeding the bolt through -- Sheesh!
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
RV-10 finishing kit has arrived!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159382#159382
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
For all you washer, bolt, bellcrank challenged builders, try this. Run a piece
of string from the outer hole, slide as many washers as you need then pass the
string through the eye, then washers, then string until you have the washers
and string run out the other side. Pull the string tight and the washers should
slide into position in their appropriate place. Now slide your 3/32 or 1/8 punch
into the hole and remove the string. With the end of the punch guiding the
bolt, push the bolt through letting the punch come back out...takes seconds
and no glued washers.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:32:05 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Incoming Empennage Kit
Hey Chuck,
I saw your comment about deburring and thought I'd pass this along: http://planetools.blogspot.com:80/2007/09/cogsdill-deburring-tools.html
I tend to be a tool freak and was excited thinking about getting getting Cogsdill's
3/32 and 1/8 deburring tools until I read the above. Now I think I'll save
the $ and stick with hand twisting a larger bit when needed, or just wiping
with an old towel when that will do it.
Someone else mentioned assembling the the elevator pushrod to the elevator bellcrank
assembly (page 10-23 when you get it) BEFORE installing the bellcrank --
and I think that is an excellent idea. We did not ... and I ended up uttering
many unintelligible sounds while impersonating a contortionist, getting the
correct combination of washers in the bearing. By the way, I finally got it by
using a magnet with which I could slide the washers one at a time in position
on the other side of the aluminum brace while feeding the bolt through -- Sheesh!
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
RV-10 finishing kit has arrived!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159382#159382
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| Subject: | Nutplate source in Wichita, KS |
I was ready to rivet the nutplates on my tailcone sideskins for the
cover plates today when I realized I only have one K1100-06 nutplate
left. I cannot even find what bag they were sent in in my inventory
list as they are not listed. Anyway, I'll be in Wichita, KS tomorrow
(Monday) and will try to find some. Does anybody have a source in town
that they know of. Not sure if the Yardstore stocks that type of stuff
or not but will definitely give them a try.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Britton
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| Subject: | Re: Incoming Empennage Kit |
Rick, thanks so much for that!
Bill Watson
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> For all you washer, bolt, bellcrank challenged builders, try this. Run a piece
of string from the outer hole, slide as many washers as you need then pass the
string through the eye, then washers, then string until you have the washers
and string run out the other side. Pull the string tight and the washers should
slide into position in their appropriate place. Now slide your 3/32 or 1/8
punch into the hole and remove the string. With the end of the punch guiding
the bolt, push the bolt through letting the punch come back out...takes seconds
and no glued washers.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
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| Subject: | Nutplate source in Wichita, KS |
I was ready to rivet the nutplates on my tailcone sideskins for the
cover plates today when I realized I only have one K1100-06 nutplate
left. I cannot even find what bag they were sent in in my inventory
list as they are not listed. Anyway, I'll be in Wichita, KS tomorrow
(Monday) and will try to find some. Does anybody have a source in town
that they know of. Not sure if the Yardstore stocks that type of stuff
or not but will definitely give them a try.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Britton
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G'day all,
I was wondering how many have opted for the B&C alternators. I have
planned for an L-60 and an SD-20 with an LR3C regulator for each.
Anyone have good/bad experience with these alternators or have any tips
on their installation? Could someone please confirm that Boss Mount is
required for the L-60?
Thanks in advance
Ron
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I've had a BnC 60 amp alternator and LR3 in my RV-9 for 300 hours (no
cooling blast tube), no problems, no "nuisance trips". So far so good.
g
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: B&C Aletrantors
G'day all,
I was wondering how many have opted for the B&C alternators. I have planned
for an L-60 and an SD-20 with an LR3C regulator for each. Anyone have
good/bad experience with these alternators or have any tips on their
installation? Could someone please confirm that Boss Mount is required for
the L-60?
Thanks in advance
Ron
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Reply to self - what the hell is an Aletrantor?? the legacy of James
McClow is looong.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2008 3:28 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: B&C Aletrantors
G'day all,
I was wondering how many have opted for the B&C alternators. I
have planned for an L-60 and an SD-20 with an LR3C regulator for each.
Anyone have good/bad experience with these alternators or have any tips
on their installation? Could someone please confirm that Boss Mount is
required for the L-60?
Thanks in advance
Ron
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email
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email to
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| Subject: | It's almost a plane |
Flight training is the biggest. But with the extra time while I wait to
go
to training, I am putting in the interior and redoing some wire routing
in
the tunnel. If I put the doors on and the seats in, the plane is ready
for
taxi test and first flight.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: It's almost a plane
Congratulations! What still has to be done before flying?
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:32 PM, Rene wrote:
After just over three years of construction N423CF received it's special
airworthiness certificate today. I would like to thank everyone on the
list
for all the help. I am still a month or so away from flying, but it
sure
feels good to have the pink slip. I am scheduled for Training 21/22
Feb....then to the air it goes.
Rene'
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
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I thought maybe you'd discovered a new species of dinosaur in S.A?
Happy New Year to you Ron!
John 40315
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2008 3:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: B&C Alternators
Reply to self - what the hell is an Aletrantor?? the legacy of James McClow
is looong.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: B&C Aletrantors
G'day all,
I was wondering how many have opted for the B&C alternators. I have planned
for an L-60 and an SD-20 with an LR3C regulator for each. Anyone have
good/bad experience with these alternators or have any tips on their
installation? Could someone please confirm that Boss Mount is required for
the L-60?
Thanks in advance
Ron
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