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1. 05:07 AM - VA-196 Stall Warning Vane (Patrick ONeill)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane (Lew Gallagher)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: B&C Aletrantors (William Curtis)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane (Patrick ONeill)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane (MauleDriver)
6. 07:27 AM - Re: B&C Alternators (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Bob's Ground Power Plug button (jayb)
8. 10:31 AM - Yippee - Deems is back to posting (John W. Cox)
9. 10:55 AM - nylon blocks (David McNeill)
10. 02:28 PM - Re: B&C Aletrantors (Indran Chelvanayagam)
11. 02:50 PM - Re: nylon blocks (David Maib)
12. 04:10 PM - Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane (Lew Gallagher)
13. 05:48 PM - Hartzell 14" spinner source for the James Cowl (Carl Froehlich)
14. 07:38 PM - Insurance (partner14)
15. 07:41 PM - Upholstery (partner14)
16. 07:59 PM - Re: Insurance (Kelly McMullen)
17. 08:12 PM - Re: Hartzell 14" spinner source for the James Cowl (John Gonzalez)
18. 08:33 PM - Re: nylon blocks (DejaVu)
19. 08:45 PM - anchoring nutplates (Andy Turner)
20. 08:47 PM - Re: Upholstery ()
21. 08:54 PM - Re: Insurance (Marcus Cooper)
22. 09:05 PM - Re: Insurance (Gerry Filby)
23. 09:05 PM - Re: anchoring nutplates (Jesse Saint)
24. 09:05 PM - Re: anchoring nutplates (Michael Schipper)
25. 09:41 PM - Re: anchoring nutplates (Jeff Carpenter)
26. 10:05 PM - Re: anchoring nutplates (Les Kearney)
27. 11:29 PM - Re: Upholstery (AirMike)
28. 11:37 PM - Heated Pitot (AirMike)
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| Subject: | VA-196 Stall Warning Vane |
Has anyone had a problem with the VA-196 Stall Warning Vane being too small
to accept the MS24694C14 machine screw that retains it?
On mine, the machine screw does not fit and I was wondering if this is
common or I have a faulty vane. I did confirm that I am using the correct
fastener (#8 structural, 100 deg c/s flat head, philips drive, 32 threading,
21/32 grip length, 1 1/16 overall length).
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715 / N690CT
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| Subject: | Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane |
Hey Patrick,
You bet. Yesterday we tried slightly drilling out the vane -- and found out it
is definitely hardened, stainless, whatever. When finished, the screw fit, but
discovered that the weld was cracked on the vane from clamping it in the vice
by the vane. Scrap. I don't want to try rewelding and compromising the vane,
so we'll be on the phone to Van's today. Oh well. Will post when we find
out more.
Later, - Lew
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The B & C have a good reputation but I think Van's is now including the Plane Power
(AL12-EI60/B) alternator in the firewall forward kit rather than the crappy
Nippondenso previously included. When I ordered my FF kit it still included
the Nippondenso so I had the ES ALTERNATOR replaced with the ES ALTERNATOR DELUXE.
ES ALTERNATOR 60A KIT ALTERNATOR & BOSS MNT $270.00 (Nippondenso)
ES ALTERNATOR DELUXE 60A KIT W/OV PROTECT $375.00 (Plane Power)
http://www.planepower.com/AL12-EI60.htm
Plane power does not yet have the equivalent of the SD-20, so I'll probably included
that if Plane Power does not come out with a vacuum pad alternator.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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-------- Original Message --------
>
> G'day all,
>
> I was wondering how many have opted for the B&C alternators. I have
> planned for an L-60 and an SD-20 with an LR3C regulator for each.
> Anyone have good/bad experience with these alternators or have any tips
> on their installation? Could someone please confirm that Boss Mount is
> required for the L-60?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ron
> 187
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| Subject: | Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane |
Hi Lew,
Sorry to hear you had trouble, but glad to know I'm not the only one. That
bushing on the vane is really hard steel, I'm sure that was no fun to ream.
If you don't mind, please post back with Van's comments. I'm curious to
hear what they say.
Thanks!
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715 / N690CT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane
Hey Patrick,
You bet. Yesterday we tried slightly drilling out the vane -- and found out
it is definitely hardened, stainless, whatever. When finished, the screw
fit, but discovered that the weld was cracked on the vane from clamping it
in the vice by the vane. Scrap. I don't want to try rewelding and
compromising the vane, so we'll be on the phone to Van's today. Oh well.
Will post when we find out more.
Later, - Lew
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| Subject: | Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane |
Found the same. Had to drill it out. Turned it into a nice little
pretzel and had to re-order.
I forgot exactly how I managed to drill it out without destroying it,
but careful restraint and lot's of lube never hurts.
Bill "smiling" Watson
Lew Gallagher wrote:
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> Hey Patrick,
>
> You bet. Yesterday we tried slightly drilling out the vane -- and found out
it is definitely hardened, stainless, whatever. When finished, the screw fit,
but discovered that the weld was cracked on the vane from clamping it in the
vice by the vane. Scrap. I don't want to try rewelding and compromising the
vane, so we'll be on the phone to Van's today. Oh well. Will post when we find
out more.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> RV-10 finishing kit has arrived!
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I've got that same combination and unless you also have an angled oil
filter adapter there's nothing special about the install. If you've
also got the B&C (possibly others too) angled oil filter adapter you'll
need to get the spacer kit for the SD-20 which moves the alternator aft
about 5/8". The spacer kit isn't on their web site but Bill knows all
about it.
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGann, Ron
(AUS BAeA)
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: B&C Alternators
Reply to self - what the hell is an Aletrantor?? the legacy of James
McClow is looong.
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2008 3:28 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: B&C Aletrantors
G'day all,
I was wondering how many have opted for the B&C alternators. I
have planned for an L-60 and an SD-20 with an LR3C regulator for each.
Anyone have good/bad experience with these alternators or have any tips
on their installation? Could someone please confirm that Boss Mount is
required for the L-60?
Thanks in advance
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Bob's Ground Power Plug button |
The spruce AN2551 plug doesn't some with a cover. Where are folks mounting these?
Photos?
Thanks for replies in advance.
Jay
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| Subject: | Yippee - Deems is back to posting |
After an extended personal vacation, it is a thrill to see Deem's latest
webpage post of progress on his beautiful RV-10.
I was going blind staring at the 5,000 same old shots every day and
feeling like a lurker searching out new builder sites to provide a fix.
OSH '08 here he comes.
John Cox
#40600
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I have 4 nylon blocks (.125" x 5" x 1" and .125" x 1" x 2"). These are not
the wing spacers.
>From previous kit building they appear to be control stop material. Anybody
know where in the documentation these are referenced?
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| Subject: | Re: B&C Aletrantors |
Ron - I have the same two dinosaurs as yourself.
I can confirm that you need a boss mount for the L-60. No tricks to
install (other than putting the belt on before the prop!)
SD20 came installed on the engine (from Aerosport power). Looks like
you'll need a crow's foot wrench for one of the bolts, due to
clearance issues.
Regarding regulators - may I suggest a SB1B instead of a second LR3C?
This monitors buss voltage, and only activates the secondary
alternator if the first fails.
Indran
On 21/01/2008, at 1:57 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> I was wondering how many have opted for the B&C alternators. I
> have planned for an L-60 and an SD-20 with an LR3C regulator for
> each. Anyone have good/bad experience with these alternators or
> have any tips on their installation? Could someone please confirm
> that Boss Mount is required for the L-60?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ron
> 187
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| Subject: | Re: nylon blocks |
Those sound like rudder pedal assembly parts.
David Maib
40559
On Monday, January 21, 2008, at 01:03PM, "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>I have 4 nylon blocks (.125" x 5" x 1" and .125" x 1" x 2"). These are not
>the wing spacers.
>
>>From previous kit building they appear to be control stop material. Anybody
>know where in the documentation these are referenced?
>
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| Subject: | Re: VA-196 Stall Warning Vane |
OK, Patrick. We talked to Van's today and evidently they're aware of the problem
cuz they said they'd send out a replacement with a vane and bolt that match
-- no charge. We'll see.
In the meantime there's lot's to do -- the main gear are on today, and after the
engine mount and nose gear are on and seats temporarily in, we'll really be
able to sit in it and "vroom vroom"!
Later, - Lew
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| Subject: | Hartzell 14" spinner source for the James Cowl |
I contacted at Chris Tieman at Mustang Aeronautics. He sells the Hartzell
A-2297 14" spinner needed for the James Cowl. Here is his note:
Yes I can provide the 14" A-2297 but they are not cheap.
Hartzell is really getting out of hand on these.
It is now $795 for the unpolished A-2297 or $907 for the polished version.
We do not use this spinner much anymore.
Chris Tieman
Mustang Aeronautics, Inc.
1470 Temple City
Troy, MI 48084
(248) 649-6818
www.MustangAero.com
This is the best price I have found so far. Anyone else found a better
deal?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (375 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
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I am finishing up my both my RV10 and my pilot license. I am planning on transition
training, but I know because I'm a new pilot I'll probably take a beating
from the insurance people. Any recommendations?
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Don A. McDonald
40636
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Pros and cons to leather vs. vinyl vs. cloth? Other than price... obviously leather
is probably twice as much. Thanks
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Don A. McDonald
40636
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See if you can get a check out in 182 or Cherokee 235, with hi-perf
endorsement.
That should help, then get at least 5-10 hours transition training in
RV-10. Ins may dictate the number of hours of dual.
On Jan 21, 2008 8:32 PM, partner14 <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I am finishing up my both my RV10 and my pilot license. I am planning on transition
training, but I know because I'm a new pilot I'll probably take a beating
from the insurance people. Any recommendations?
>
> --------
> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
>
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| Subject: | Hartzell 14" spinner source for the James Cowl |
Isn't this spinner just an odd shapped mixing bowl. It must be worth it.
Darn, looks like my economic stimulus check from Feds isn't going to cove t
his completely either.
Do NOt Archive
From: carl.froehlich@cox.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List:
Hartzell 14" spinner source for the James CowlDate: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:43:
14 -0500
I contacted at Chris Tieman at Mustang Aeronautics. He sells the Hartzell
A-2297 14=94 spinner needed for the James Cowl. Here is his note:
Yes I can provide the 14" A-2297 but they are not cheap.
Hartzell is really getting out of hand on these.
It is now $795 for the unpolished A-2297 or $907 for the polished version.
We do not use this spinner much anymore.
Chris Tieman
Mustang Aeronautics, Inc.
1470 Temple City
Troy, MI 48084
(248) 649-6818
www.MustangAero.com
This is the best price I have found so far. Anyone else found a better dea
l?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (375 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
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| Subject: | Re: nylon blocks |
Which kit did they came in? It's been a while but the small ones might be g
uards for the rear seat belt cables as they go through the baggage bulkhead
The large ones might guards for the rudder cables inside the tunnel.
Anh
N591VU-flying
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From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: nylon blocks
I have 4 nylon blocks (.125" x 5" x 1" and .125" x 1" x 2"). These are n
ot the wing spacers.
From previous kit building they appear to be control stop material. Anybo
dy know where in the documentation these are referenced?
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| Subject: | anchoring nutplates |
OK, newbie question here. I'm installing my first nutplates, need to recess the
rivet in some way, and ran into the issue with the female die interfering with
the nutplate, and on the skin with the screw dimple. I read that the NAS1097
rivets are a neat solution, and it sounded very good, just countersink a little
bit and you are good to go. But.....Van's no longer stocks the NAS1097 in the
AD3 size, just AD4's. Mysteriously, Aircraft Spruce also stocks just AD4's.
So, do you all have a secret supplier? :D
-Andy
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Probably the same reasons as why you would choose one over the other in a car.
Leather may be more durable and easier to clean. You may want seat heaters if
you are in a cold weather environment.
Cloth may be a little more comfortable in regards to temperature variations.
Lastly, price.....
>
> From: "partner14" <building_partner@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2008/01/21 Mon PM 10:36:31 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Upholstery
>
>
> Pros and cons to leather vs. vinyl vs. cloth? Other than price... obviously
leather is probably twice as much. Thanks
>
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> Don A. McDonald
> 40636
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Don,
I agree with getting a "complex" checkout in hopes that it will lower
the rates, it's also not a bad idea anyway since the RV-10 has a lot going
on inside potentially.
I'd recommend really shopping around. I found significant differences
between quotes (one was twice the rest). I went with AOPA who lined me up
with Falcon Insurance as they had a 'good' price and minimal type
experience. When I first started shopping around I was told I'd get credit
for my RV-6 time, but things changed by the time I was ready to fly.
The only good news to offer is most companies will give you a pretty good
break in the price after the first year, so fly a lot. You can always use
it as an excuse for the high fuel bill that you are preparing for saving on
insurance!
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of partner14
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Insurance
I am finishing up my both my RV10 and my pilot license. I am planning on
transition training, but I know because I'm a new pilot I'll probably take a
beating from the insurance people. Any recommendations?
--------
Don A. McDonald
40636
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I was in the same situation as you when my 9 first flew - Nation Air came in
with the lowest dollar quote by far.
g
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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Insurance
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I am finishing up my both my RV10 and my pilot license. I am planning on
transition training, but I know because I'm a new pilot I'll probably take a
beating from the insurance people. Any recommendations?
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Don A. McDonald
40636
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| Subject: | Re: anchoring nutplates |
You can use normal rivets. You will need a thin dimple die to dimple the
nutplate for the rivet, then you can dimple the skin normally. If it is a
thick part, then you can machine countersink the aluminum and don't have
to modify the nutplate.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Andy Turner wrote:
>
> OK, newbie question here. I'm installing my first nutplates, need to
> recess the rivet in some way, and ran into the issue with the female die
> interfering with the nutplate, and on the skin with the screw dimple. I
> read that the NAS1097 rivets are a neat solution, and it sounded very
> good, just countersink a little bit and you are good to go. But.....Van's
> no longer stocks the NAS1097 in the AD3 size, just AD4's. Mysteriously,
> Aircraft Spruce also stocks just AD4's. So, do you all have a secret
> supplier? :D
>
> -Andy
>
> --------
> Andy Turner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159688#159688
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| Subject: | Re: anchoring nutplates |
Order a "small diameter" female dimple die. They work great for close
quarters dimpling like you mention. You can get them from Avery.
Regards,
Mike Schipper
#40576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com
On Jan 21, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Andy Turner wrote:
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> OK, newbie question here. I'm installing my first nutplates, need to
> recess the rivet in some way, and ran into the issue with the female
> die interfering with the nutplate, and on the skin with the screw
> dimple. I read that the NAS1097 rivets are a neat solution, and it
> sounded very good, just countersink a little bit and you are good to
> go. But.....Van's no longer stocks the NAS1097 in the AD3 size, just
> AD4's. Mysteriously, Aircraft Spruce also stocks just AD4's. So, do
> you all have a secret supplier? :D
>
> -Andy
>
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> Andy Turner
>
>
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>
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Grind down the edge of your female die... It's pretty standard
procedure.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Jan 21, 2008, at 8:40 PM, "Andy Turner" <aturner@clarion.edu> wrote:
>
> OK, newbie question here. I'm installing my first nutplates, need to
> recess the rivet in some way, and ran into the issue with the female
> die interfering with the nutplate, and on the skin with the screw
> dimple. I read that the NAS1097 rivets are a neat solution, and it
> sounded very good, just countersink a little bit and you are good to
> go. But.....Van's no longer stocks the NAS1097 in the AD3 size, just
> AD4's. Mysteriously, Aircraft Spruce also stocks just AD4's. So, do
> you all have a secret supplier? :D
>
> -Andy
>
> --------
> Andy Turner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159688#159688
>
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Any
If I understand your problem, you need a small diameter dimple die. Have a
look at these from Avery:
http://www.averytools.com/pc-578-17-small-diameter-dimple-dies.aspx
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
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Subject: RV10-List: anchoring nutplates
OK, newbie question here. I'm installing my first nutplates, need to recess
the rivet in some way, and ran into the issue with the female die
interfering with the nutplate, and on the skin with the screw dimple. I read
that the NAS1097 rivets are a neat solution, and it sounded very good, just
countersink a little bit and you are good to go. But.....Van's no longer
stocks the NAS1097 in the AD3 size, just AD4's. Mysteriously, Aircraft
Spruce also stocks just AD4's. So, do you all have a secret supplier? :D
-Andy
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Leather - sticky in Summer - cold at first in winter then nice and warm
Cloth - durable and inexpensive - but it looks like - well ----- cloth
Can't beat the smell of the hides......
There are the 1/2 leather seats - call Abbey at Fliteline
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I am a high time VFR pilot. I am trying to get my plane set up for lite IFR.
In other words - installing one Garmin SL30 with GS & Audio w/MB lites
I have been advised by others in EAA and prior posts on this site that having a
heated Pitot is a must.
Is Gretz GA1000 the best choice. I am already on board with the Advanced Flight
systems AF-3500 system with AOA
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