---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/05/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:03 AM - Old HID, New HID (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 2. 06:17 AM - Slick Start (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 3. 07:23 AM - Fairings-Etc (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 4. 07:35 AM - Duckworks with tip tanks (Jesse Saint) 5. 07:55 AM - Re: Old HID, New HID (tom.on.the.road@juno.com) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Duckworks with tip tanks (Tim Olson) 7. 08:52 AM - WSI Weather (gary) 8. 08:55 AM - Re: Slick Mags (mckervey) 9. 09:58 AM - Re: WSI Weather (Tim Olson) 10. 11:27 AM - Re: fuel tank flush (John Gonzalez) 11. 01:37 PM - Re: Slick Start (McGANN, Ron) 12. 02:07 PM - Re: WSI Weather (William Curtis) 13. 02:14 PM - AA Overhead console retrofitting (Michael Wellenzohn) 14. 02:32 PM - Re: WSI Weather (Tim Olson) 15. 02:49 PM - Re: Duckworks with tip tanks (Patrick Pulis) 16. 04:23 PM - Re: WSI Weather (John Lenhardt) 17. 04:24 PM - Re: Duckworks with tip tanks (McGANN, Ron) 18. 04:35 PM - Re: WSI Weather (John Jessen) 19. 04:49 PM - Re: Slick Start (Kelly McMullen) 20. 04:52 PM - Re: Slick Start (Kelly McMullen) 21. 05:58 PM - Re: Duckworks with tip tanks (Jesse Saint) 22. 08:18 PM - Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 23. 09:20 PM - Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:00 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Old HID, New HID From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" Tom: Why don't you send your pictures to dirtlights.com and have them post them on the web page somewhere? Then all could easily see. TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:47 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Slick Start From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" There used to be two models of SlickStart, one for Slick magnetos and one for Bendix magnetos. Part of the model change last fall was that Slick dropped the second model, so for the future, you can only buy SlickStart for use with Slick magnetos. Are all Slick mags impulse coupled (not retard)? Perhaps the missing P2 connection is no longer needed if only supporting Slick impulse-coupled mags. I have Bendix retard mags, and so I either needed the discountinued SlickStart model or an old-school mechanical "vibrator". Luckily, I managed to find what I think was the last SS1002 SlickStart module in Germany and snagged it. TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:10 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fairings-Etc From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" Anyone using gear leg intersection fairings from Fairings Etc and have any "first-hand" pointers to share? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:59 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: RV10-List: Duckworks with tip tanks Does anybody who is using HID lights in the leading edge have tip tanks? Is there any concern about a fuel leak causing problems with electricity in that area? There is power in the wingtip anyway, and at the heated pitot anyway, and the wings are not sealed anyway, but just wanted to see what opinions there were out there on this issue. Does anybody know what Vic had for landing lights? I know he had the SafeAir tip tanks. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Old HID, New HID From: tom.on.the.road@juno.com TDT, I did. You'd think they'd be happy a group of "non-fourwheelers" were interested. Tom ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:05 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Duckworks with tip tanks Vic has the duckworks kit... http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/VicsRV10/plane/IMG_4217.html Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jesse Saint wrote: > Does anybody who is using HID lights in the leading edge have tip tanks? > Is there any concern about a fuel leak causing problems with > electricity in that area? There is power in the wingtip anyway, and at > the heated pitot anyway, and the wings are not sealed anyway, but just > wanted to see what opinions there were out there on this issue. > > Does anybody know what Vic had for landing lights? I know he had the > SafeAir tip tanks. > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:20 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RV10-List: WSI Weather Kudo's to the folks at WSI. I have had nothing but exceptional friendliness and service while buying and installing and debugging the system. It is in and working and talking with the OP system. These folks could teach the rest of the aviation folks how it should be done. Gary 40274 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:42 AM PST US From: "mckervey" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Mags ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill DeRouchey To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Mags Joe- I can't think of a design reason to drop pin 2 functionality except to limit their liability in lawsuits. I suppose that every kick-back lawsuit will automatically name Unison as a defendant and they can create uncertainity by blaming the right mag. I looked for information on the new version with no joy. Does anyone have a description of the changes between new/old? Is the new version now being shipped? Can anyone send a new wiring diagram? Thanks, Bill mckervey wrote: Bill, The new Slick-Start doesn't have a pin 2. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill DeRouchey To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Mags Ron- You have done your homework. This is exactly the setup I am using with both the Slickstart and the switch grounding the right mag. Only reason for the double grounding is a backfire can be very expensive and the cost is zero to add protection for a broken wire. Bill N939SB Roger Standley wrote: Hi Ron, I've been working this subject, also, and have gathered and crunched data from a number of sources to find what we need. The best data came from OC Baker on the AeroElectric-List. The Slick Service Letter SL2-96 that comes with the SlickStart mostly addresses replacement of existing ignition vibrators, not a fresh new installation. One of the concerns not clearly addressed in SL2-96 is how to ground out the right mag out while cranking the engine to ensure that the right mag does not fire at twenty some degrees before top dead center (TDC) and create a kick back. Apparently, the grounding out can be accomplished either by the way the starting switch wiring is connected or by the way the SkickStart is connected to accomplish the needed grounding. Lets set the stage: I am using the keyed start switch, IO-540D4A5, SlickStart (SS1001), electrical and FWF kits, all from Van's. The IO-540 came with a retard breaker Slick mag on the left and a non retard breaker Slick mag on the right. The retard terminal is labeled on the left mag. No impulse coupler is on either mag. Per SL2-96, SlickStart Pin VIN is the electrical supply into the unit and is connected to the output side of the starter solenoid through a 5 amp fuse to this pin. Then whenever you are feeding electricity to the starter you are also feeding the SlickStart. SlickStart Pin GND is connected to the grounding screw on the left mag (retard breaker magneto). SlickStart Pin 1 is connected to the P-lead terminal of the left mag. Pin 3 is connected to the left mag retard breaker terminal. According to OC Baker, the function of Pin 3 is to tell Pin 1 to fire only when the retard breaker points are open which will be near top dead center. This provides the retarded spark which is desired while the engine is cranking. So far, so good. Now is where SL2-96 and Page OP37-13 of Van's RV-10 Wiring Harness Manual become a little unclear. One of the configurations in SL2-96 says SlickStart Pin 2 gets connected to the P-lead of the right mag (non-retard breaker magneto). OC Baker says that the purpose of Pin 2 is to ground out the right magneto so that it can not fire an advanced (twenty some degrees before TDC) spark while the engine is cranking. The diagram on Van's Page OP37-13 implies there should be a jumper between the R terminal and GND terminal of the keyed start switch. And that this jumper causes the right mag to be grounded only while the keyed start switch is in the "start" position This seems to be redundant with SlickStart Pin 2 but it also seems that doing both would not be harmful. I need some help here Well, that is what I have so far. I kick this out to the List for helpful review/critique/inputs/help/feedback. Please, no flames! Roger Standley N291RV (Reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: McGANN, Ron To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Slick Mags Anybody have any technical data for the Slick mags included with 540 supplied by Vans? I am installing a Slick Start and the lack of data on the mags is a PITA. TIA Ron 187 "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:49 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: WSI Weather Wait until you fly with it. Since the AV300, I haven't had even a hiccup out of the weather. It's been 100% reliable and very very nice to use. I signed up for the higher end package this time around to see if I used all the extended features, and then figured if I didn't, next year I'd drop down a level. But, so far i've found some good uses of the better package, so I may just stick with it. Great system though, either way. Plus, with Ethernet on it, you can plug it into a PC if you wish too. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive gary wrote: > > Kudo's to the folks at WSI. I have had nothing but exceptional friendliness > and service while buying and installing and debugging the system. It is in > and working and talking with the OP system. > > These folks could teach the rest of the aviation folks how it should be > done. > > Gary > 40274 > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:19 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank flush I flushed them with water. I also cut an access ports on the rear of the ta nks to install the sender units. I went out and purchased a brand new shop vacuum and blew air into the tank s for a few hours to ensure no water remained. Of course all the opeings we re open when i did this to ensure the air being blown in had someplace to e xit. John G. From: dlm46007@cox.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: fuel t ank flushDate: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 05:41:25 -0700 I have QB wings and am ready to flush the tanks and the remaider of the fue l system to remove any trash left behind by the builders. anyone else flush their wings before putting in the fuel sumps and running the engine? If so with what? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:45 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Slick Start From: "McGANN, Ron" Hey Tim, I ordered my IO-540 D4A5 (Exp) Lyco from Vans and it was supplied with a retard breaker on the left mag - same as a few others. My guess is that unless otherwise specified, the retard breaker is 'standard' on Slick Mags on Vans supplied engines. Does anyone know of literature that discusses the pros & cons of retard vs impulse mags? A side note - I posted a question a few weeks back about the need for a switch to select which mag to source the GRT EIS Tacho input. The Slick Start instruction manual says to not have the electronic tachometer on the same magneto as the slick start. To prevent the EIS being accidently sourced by the left mag during start, I decided to source the tacho from the right mag only and use the mark-one eardrum technique to confirm correct rev drop during mag checks on run-up. cheers, Ron -187 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 12:43 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Slick Start There used to be two models of SlickStart, one for Slick magnetos and one for Bendix magnetos. Part of the model change last fall was that Slick dropped the second model, so for the future, you can only buy SlickStart for use with Slick magnetos. Are all Slick mags impulse coupled (not retard)? Perhaps the missing P2 connection is no longer needed if only supporting Slick impulse-coupled mags. I have Bendix retard mags, and so I either needed the discountinued SlickStart model or an old-school mechanical "vibrator". Luckily, I managed to find what I think was the last SS1002 SlickStart module in Germany and snagged it. TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:41 PM PST US Subject: re: RV10-List: WSI Weather From: "William Curtis" I hope WSI has changed their tune but I still can't get over the fact that they and their "in pocket" Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) tried to do away with free weather over the Internet in order to protect WSI's profits. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/22/112939/284 http://www.panbo.com/archives/cat_weather.html William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Suess > -- RV10-List message posted by: "gary" Kudo's to the folks at WSI. I have had nothing but exceptional friendliness and service while buying and installing and debugging the system. It is in and working and talking with the OP system. These folks could teach the rest of the aviation folks how it should be done. Gary 40274 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:26 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: AA Overhead console retrofitting From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Hi guys, did anyone fit the AA overhead panel ofter the cabin top was on? If yes please lat me know hoe much effort it was and what are the possible pitfalls. Thanks Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162562#162562 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:57 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: WSI Weather Don't worry, once Micro$oft completes a hostile takeover of Yahoo, and then does a few other strategic takeovers, they should have that issue solved...we'll just be paying them for all of our internet information. We'll also be paying Garmin, the avionics version of Micro$oft for all of our Avionics upgrades, and Jeppesen for all of our NavData. But wait....we're ALREADY paying Jeppesen as a sole supplier of certified approach NavData. ;) The world will just keep becoming a smaller and smaller place. I wonder who it will be who eventually owns "everything". Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive William Curtis wrote: > > > I hope WSI has changed their tune but I still can't get over the fact > that they and their "in pocket" Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) tried to > do away with free weather over the Internet in order to protect WSI's > profits. > > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/22/112939/284 > http://www.panbo.com/archives/cat_weather.html > > William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ "Be who you are and say what you > feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't > mind." -- Dr. Suess > >> -- RV10-List message posted by: "gary" > > Kudo's to the folks at WSI. I have had nothing but exceptional > friendliness and service while buying and installing and debugging > the system. It is in and working and talking with the OP system. > > These folks could teach the rest of the aviation folks how it should > be done. > > Gary 40274 > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:32 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworks with tip tanks From: "Patrick Pulis" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:26 PM PST US From: "John Lenhardt" Subject: Re: RV10-List: WSI Weather "I wonder who it will be who eventually owns "everything". I don't know, but I guess he wins. John #40262 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworks with tip tanks From: "McGANN, Ron" Patrick is having problems with his IS mafia - their filtering process is a little 'aggressive' shall we say. He asked me to post this: Hi there Jesse, I'm in the process of installing HID lights into my outboard leading edges and I'm also plumbing aluminium fuel line through the leading edge ribs to enable connection of the tip tank in each wing to the outboard side of the main fuel tank. My wing tips will be converted into fuel proofed integral tip tanks (giving approximately 28 litres/7.5 USG either side), by Flymore (http://www.flymore.com.au/), a local RV and experimental aircraft construction and modification company operated by Jon Johanson (http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/jj-persn.htm). They have significant experience in modifying RV's and extending their range, which was necessitated when Jon decided do his record breaking around the world and Antarctic flights, requiring conversion of his RV-4 into a wholly 'wet wing'. I will be installing a fuel isolation valve (12V solenoid valve designed for fuel applications) adjacent to the connection point to the wing tip tank and have installed an access panel (Vans access panels) on the under side of the outboard leading edge to enable access to the solenoid valve and connections and another access panel inboard to enable access to the connection point to the outboard side of the main tank. Conversion of the Van's tips into fuel tanks includes a tunnel to enable the electrics for the lights in the tip to be run separately from any fuel and away from any HID lights in the leading edge. To date this conversion has been highly successful and has been applied to RV's ranging from the 4 to the 10 with no reported fuel leaks or operational faults. If anyone would like some photos of a friends RV-7 which features this modification please drop me a line (patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au) and I'll send them to you separately off-line. I have discussed the tip tank modification (inclusive of strengthening the attach points) with some local aeronautical engineers and they have given it the tick of approval. Obviously all up weight must be kept in check and fuel from the tips should be used first on longer flights. I hope this helps you out. Regards Patrick Pulis #40299 VH-XPP Adelaide, South Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 9:15 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworks with tip tanks "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:27 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: WSI Weather From: John Jessen Whomsoever owneth the water and the microwave solar array collector. do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: WSI Weather "I wonder who it will be who eventually owns "everything". I don't know, but I guess he wins. John #40262 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:28 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Start Slick makes both retard breaker and impulse coupled mags, as well as straight mags with no starting mechanism(for #2 mag). I still don't figure why they stopped making the Bendix version, as manufacturing cost has to be low, there are thousands of Bendix retard breaker mags in use (aka famous Shower of Sparks system), and most A&Ps won't switch to Slicks unless customer demands it, or are forced into them with a reman engine. On Feb 5, 2008 7:13 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: > > > There used to be two models of SlickStart, one for Slick magnetos and one > for Bendix magnetos. Part of the model change last fall was that Slick > dropped the second model, so for the future, you can only buy SlickStart for > use with Slick magnetos. > > > Are all Slick mags impulse coupled (not retard)? Perhaps the missing P2 > connection is no longer needed if only supporting Slick impulse-coupled > mags. > > > I have Bendix retard mags, and so I either needed the discountinued > SlickStart model or an old-school mechanical "vibrator". Luckily, I managed > to find what I think was the last SS1002 SlickStart module in Germany and > snagged it. > > > TDT > > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > > 40025 > > tdt@aurora.aero > > 617-500-4812 (office) > > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:16 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slick Start Retard breaker mags are very reliable with a proper starting vibrator, and many Lyc engines were equipped that way as installed by Piper and Mooney. You would have to research how the Comanche 260 was equipped, as that is what the Vans spec engine was built for. On Feb 5, 2008 2:31 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote: > > > Hey Tim, > > I ordered my IO-540 D4A5 (Exp) Lyco from Vans and it was supplied with a > retard breaker on the left mag - same as a few others. My guess is that > unless otherwise specified, the retard breaker is 'standard' on Slick Mags > on Vans supplied engines. > > Does anyone know of literature that discusses the pros & cons of retard vs > impulse mags? > > A side note - I posted a question a few weeks back about the need for a > switch to select which mag to source the GRT EIS Tacho input. The Slick > Start instruction manual says to not have the electronic tachometer on the > same magneto as the slick start. To prevent the EIS being accidently > sourced by the left mag during start, I decided to source the tacho from the > right mag only and use the mark-one eardrum technique to confirm correct rev > drop during mag checks on run-up. > > > cheers, > Ron > -187 > > > ________________________________ > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Dawson-Townsend,Timothy > Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 12:43 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Slick Start > > > There used to be two models of SlickStart, one for Slick magnetos and one > for Bendix magnetos. Part of the model change last fall was that Slick > dropped the second model, so for the future, you can only buy SlickStart for > use with Slick magnetos. > > > Are all Slick mags impulse coupled (not retard)? Perhaps the missing P2 > connection is no longer needed if only supporting Slick impulse-coupled > mags. > > > I have Bendix retard mags, and so I either needed the discountinued > SlickStart model or an old-school mechanical "vibrator". Luckily, I managed > to find what I think was the last SS1002 SlickStart module in Germany and > snagged it. > > > TDT > > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > > 40025 > > tdt@aurora.aero > > 617-500-4812 (office) > > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > > > p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ics.com > .matronics.com/contribution > > > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > your computer." > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:01 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Duckworks with tip tanks Patrick and others, This is exactly the type of feedback I was hoping for. Basically, no "Oh my goodness I can't believe you would even consider that a viable option" comments. Thanks. do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Feb 5, 2008, at 7:19 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote: > > > > Patrick is having problems with his IS mafia - their filtering process > is a little 'aggressive' shall we say. He asked me to post this: > > Hi there Jesse, > > I'm in the process of installing HID lights into my outboard leading > edges and I'm also plumbing aluminium fuel line through the leading > edge > ribs to enable connection of the tip tank in each wing to the outboard > side of the main fuel tank. > > My wing tips will be converted into fuel proofed integral tip tanks > (giving approximately 28 litres/7.5 USG either side), by Flymore > (http://www.flymore.com.au/), a local RV and experimental aircraft > construction and modification company operated by Jon Johanson > (http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/jj-persn.htm). They have > significant experience in modifying RV's and extending their range, > which was necessitated when Jon decided do his record breaking around > the world and Antarctic flights, requiring conversion of his RV-4 > into a > wholly 'wet wing'. > > I will be installing a fuel isolation valve (12V solenoid valve > designed > for fuel applications) adjacent to the connection point to the wing > tip > tank and have installed an access panel (Vans access panels) on the > under side of the outboard leading edge to enable access to the > solenoid > valve and connections and another access panel inboard to enable > access > to the connection point to the outboard side of the main tank. > > Conversion of the Van's tips into fuel tanks includes a tunnel to > enable > the electrics for the lights in the tip to be run separately from any > fuel and away from any HID lights in the leading edge. To date this > conversion has been highly successful and has been applied to RV's > ranging from the 4 to the 10 with no reported fuel leaks or > operational > faults. > > If anyone would like some photos of a friends RV-7 which features this > modification please drop me a line (patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au) and > I'll send them to you separately off-line. I have discussed the tip > tank modification (inclusive of strengthening the attach points) with > some local aeronautical engineers and they have given it the tick of > approval. Obviously all up weight must be kept in check and fuel from > the tips should be used first on longer flights. > > I hope this helps you out. > > Regards > > Patrick Pulis > #40299 VH-XPP > Adelaide, South Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick > Pulis > Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 9:15 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworks with tip tanks > > > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > your computer." > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:26 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: AA Overhead console retrofitting From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I did, not a big deal. Would have been easier with the top off and upside down though. Biggest difference is how you apply pressure to the OH console while the epoxy cures. If the top isn't installed yet you can just weight it down. Otherwise you wind up cutting 1x2s or similar to fit between the floor/seat pans and the edges of the OH console. You could probably also drill a series of holes and use clecos. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: RV10-List: AA Overhead console retrofitting Hi guys, did anyone fit the AA overhead panel ofter the cabin top was on? If yes please lat me know hoe much effort it was and what are the possible pitfalls. Thanks Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162562#162562 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:57 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting From: "AirMike" I am not putting in an overhead console, but I did install the two rear windows and the ceiling upholstery before permanently installing the cabin top. If the cabin top is not installed yet do it now. I cannot imagine the extra effort and contortions doing it upside down. It was soooooo much easier to fit the windows off the fuse. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162632#162632 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.