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1. 10:12 AM - Re: Peel ply left on the cabin top (Patrick ONeill)
2. 10:42 AM - Re: overhead console (Dave Saylor)
3. 12:14 PM - Ignition Switch Drawing (Jesse Saint)
4. 01:47 PM - air conditioner and magnetometer location (tomhanaway)
5. 02:59 PM - Re: Peel ply left on the cabin top - NOT (MauleDriver)
6. 03:50 PM - Elevator trim - 35 degree up and asymmetric geometry (MauleDriver)
7. 04:22 PM - Re: air conditioner and magnetometer location (Kelly McMullen)
8. 04:55 PM - Re: Elevator trim - 35 degree up and asymmetric geometry (Jesse Saint)
9. 05:18 PM - Re: Elevator trim - 35 degree up and asymmetric geometry (Tim Olson)
10. 06:07 PM - Re: Elevator trim - 35 degree up and asymmetric geometry (MauleDriver)
11. 06:07 PM - Re: air conditioner and magnetometer location (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
12. 06:19 PM - Re: air conditioner and magnetometer location (tomhanaway)
13. 06:31 PM - Re: Ignition Switch Drawing (Bill Schlatterer)
14. 07:06 PM - Re: Ignition Switch Drawing (Jesse Saint)
15. 09:07 PM - Fw: Re: Trimming the cowling (John Ackerman)
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| Subject: | Peel ply left on the cabin top |
Hi Bill,
I trimmed the cabin after returning home from Dave's class while it was
still fresh in my mind. I didn't see any peel ply on my cabin top.
I have a sequence of photos from the trimming if you would like to compare:
http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=47&page=7
If it is in fact peel ply, I would think it should be removed.
Best Regards,
Patrick #40715 / N690CT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Peel ply left on the cabin top
I've just started "becoming one" with my cabin top, finding the scribe
lines, measuring things etc. It looks like several strips of peel ply
have been left on some of the surfaces around the door opening.
Has anyone else seen this? How would one tell? I thinking it should be
removed using a little heat....
Any advice welcome.
Thanks for the great class Dave and the Team at Aerocrafters!
Bill "dipping a toe in the glass work" Watson
#40605
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| Subject: | overhead console |
Tim, it's not the size of the console, it's how you use it...
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: overhead console
Dave,
Have you considered making a longer version?
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20071025/RV200710240607.html
I would have easily bought yours if you had one that was similar in length
to the one pictured above. It wasn't hard to make, but it was still
unnecessary fiberglass if I could have bought a completed product to cover
everything. And, mine is much more than 2.4oz.
I bet you could get rid of a few more of them if you had longer ones
available too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Dave Saylor wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> We are producing a small fiberglass overhead console especially for
> the 10. We made the mold from the top of my plane after the strut was
> in place, so it fits very nicely around the top of the bar.
>
> I wanted something fairly compact to maintain as much headroom as
> possible. It weighs 2.4 ounces and is 1 1/2 inches deep. I attached
> mine with flathead sheet metal screws directly into the ceiling.
>
> I have two of Stein's LEDs in mine. I ran the wires up the strut.
> There's plenty of room for another dome light and a couple switches,
> and it's deep enough to put a 90 degree coax connector inside if you
> want a GPS antenna on top.
>
> It also fits nicely on the baggage area ceiling, although I haven't
> worked out an attachment method. The honeycomb core wouldn't take a
> screw too well so a little beefing up would be in order.
>
> I've been meaning to get these and a few other products on the web
> site but your post seemed like a good time to jump in.
>
> Here are a few pictures. I have several in stock. $150 each plus
> shipping. Any questions please call.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA
> 831-722-9141
> 831-750-0284 CL
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
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> Hukill
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:31 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: overhead console
>
> Has anyone come up with a less expensive version of the Accuracy
> Avionics overhead console. I can't see spending $1300 for a piece of
> plastic, but I would like a basic console similar to the forward half
> of the AA console. I like the idea of overhead reading lights, and a
> place to mount antennas, and hide wires, and the hinge cover feature is
nice.
> I don't need the air vents, or anything aft of the front seats. I
> could of course built one myself, but being lazy, and adverse to any
> more fiberglass work than is necessary, I thought I would query the
> list for possible sources or at least ideas?
> In order to solicit more replies to this question, I would also like
> to ask people what kind of primer should I use on it?
>
> Chris Hukill
> stirring the pot
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| Subject: | Ignition Switch Drawing |
Does anybody have a CAD drawing of the cutout for the standard ACS
Ignition/Mag/Start keyswitch?
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | air conditioner and magnetometer location |
I'm seriously considering the Flightline ac system. Weight is not an issue for
me.
My big concern is the future location of the magnetometer. Whatever avionics I
use, this mounting will be critical. Just looking at the AFS site, the minimum
recommended distance from any signicant metal mass is 24". Usual mounting point
for the magnetometer and the a/c evaporator are both in the forward part
of the tailcone.
I spoke to one installer that advised putting the magnetometer in the overhead
console.
Is my concern valid?
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Tom Hanaway
starting qb fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162881#162881
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| Subject: | Re: Peel ply left on the cabin top - NOT |
Not a problem. It appears that I simply have (lots of) scraps of peel
ply along all the edges of where the peel ply was applied. Some plastic
too.
A small child was lost....
....Nevermind
Bill "continuing to bond with his glass top" Watson
Patrick ONeill wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I trimmed the cabin after returning home from Dave's class while it was
> still fresh in my mind. I didn't see any peel ply on my cabin top.
>
> I have a sequence of photos from the trimming if you would like to compare:
>
> http://www.noimnotcrazy.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=47&page=7
>
> If it is in fact peel ply, I would think it should be removed.
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick #40715 / N690CT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:01 PM
> To: RV10-List Digest Server
> Subject: RV10-List: Peel ply left on the cabin top
>
>
> I've just started "becoming one" with my cabin top, finding the scribe
> lines, measuring things etc. It looks like several strips of peel ply
> have been left on some of the surfaces around the door opening.
>
> Has anyone else seen this? How would one tell? I thinking it should be
> removed using a little heat....
>
> Any advice welcome.
>
> Thanks for the great class Dave and the Team at Aerocrafters!
>
> Bill "dipping a toe in the glass work" Watson
> #40605
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Elevator trim - 35 degree up and asymmetric geometry |
I just installed the trim servo and am playing with the trim setup. The
cable geometry dictates that the tabs will not move together. The
right hand elevator moves through a much greater arc than the left. A
fact that is probably less noticeable with the rudder in place.
However, when I adjust the clevises and the Rivethead bracket to get 35
degrees of deflection at the full up trim position, I find that I am at
the maximum physical deflection of the tab itself (not a problem, just
an acceptable coincidence).
More noteworthy, I find that with both the left and right hand elevator
tabs adjusted to 35 degrees full up at one end of the servo's travel,
going to the full down trim position results in the right elevator tab
moving to a roughly 20 degree deflection while the left elevator tab is
at zero deflection. In fact, the last few mm of servo movement result
in the left tab deflecting very slightly in the opposite direction.
None of this is inconsistent with the asymmetric geometry of the whole
setup but just want some warm fuzzies that others are experienced
something similar. (If this is in the archives, I just can't find it).
Bill "there's a good bit of trim drag in here somewhere" Watson
40605
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| Subject: | Re: air conditioner and magnetometer location |
Are those considering AC planning on the engine driven or all
electric? 14 or 28V systems?
On Feb 7, 2008 2:42 PM, tomhanaway <tomhanaway@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm seriously considering the Flightline ac system. Weight is not an issue for
me.
> My big concern is the future location of the magnetometer. Whatever avionics
I use, this mounting will be critical. Just looking at the AFS site, the minimum
recommended distance from any signicant metal mass is 24". Usual mounting
point for the magnetometer and the a/c evaporator are both in the forward part
of the tailcone.
>
> I spoke to one installer that advised putting the magnetometer in the overhead
console.
>
> Is my concern valid?
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom Hanaway
> starting qb fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162881#162881
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim - 35 degree up and asymmetric geometry |
That is how it is supposed to be. It should end up so when the right
hits the neutral position the left should as well, then the left will
more or less stay there and the right will continue. When light you
need a lot of nose-up trim, but Van's didn't want (I assume) to give
as much possibility for nose-down trim in the case of runaway trim.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:44 PM, MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I just installed the trim servo and am playing with the trim setup.
> The cable geometry dictates that the tabs will not move together.
> The right hand elevator moves through a much greater arc than the
> left. A fact that is probably less noticeable with the rudder in
> place.
> However, when I adjust the clevises and the Rivethead bracket to get
> 35 degrees of deflection at the full up trim position, I find that I
> am at the maximum physical deflection of the tab itself (not a
> problem, just an acceptable coincidence).
> More noteworthy, I find that with both the left and right hand
> elevator tabs adjusted to 35 degrees full up at one end of the
> servo's travel, going to the full down trim position results in the
> right elevator tab moving to a roughly 20 degree deflection while
> the left elevator tab is at zero deflection. In fact, the last few
> mm of servo movement result in the left tab deflecting very slightly
> in the opposite direction.
>
> None of this is inconsistent with the asymmetric geometry of the
> whole setup but just want some warm fuzzies that others are
> experienced something similar. (If this is in the archives, I just
> can't find it).
>
> Bill "there's a good bit of trim drag in here somewhere" Watson
> 40605
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim - 35 degree up and asymmetric geometry |
As Jesse said....yup, that's the way it should be. Works well.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I just installed the trim servo and am playing with the trim setup. The
> cable geometry dictates that the tabs will not move together. The
> right hand elevator moves through a much greater arc than the left. A
> fact that is probably less noticeable with the rudder in place.
> However, when I adjust the clevises and the Rivethead bracket to get 35
> degrees of deflection at the full up trim position, I find that I am at
> the maximum physical deflection of the tab itself (not a problem, just
> an acceptable coincidence).
> More noteworthy, I find that with both the left and right hand elevator
> tabs adjusted to 35 degrees full up at one end of the servo's travel,
> going to the full down trim position results in the right elevator tab
> moving to a roughly 20 degree deflection while the left elevator tab is
> at zero deflection. In fact, the last few mm of servo movement result
> in the left tab deflecting very slightly in the opposite direction.
>
> None of this is inconsistent with the asymmetric geometry of the whole
> setup but just want some warm fuzzies that others are experienced
> something similar. (If this is in the archives, I just can't find it).
>
> Bill "there's a good bit of trim drag in here somewhere" Watson
> 40605
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim - 35 degree up and asymmetric geometry |
I'm all fuzzy now and moving on. Thanks!
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> That is how it is supposed to be. It should end up so when the right
> hits the neutral position the left should as well, then the left will
> more or less stay there and the right will continue. When light you
> need a lot of nose-up trim, but Van's didn't want (I assume) to give
> as much possibility for nose-down trim in the case of runaway trim.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:44 PM, MauleDriver wrote:
>
>>
>> I just installed the trim servo and am playing with the trim setup.
>> The cable geometry dictates that the tabs will not move together.
>> The right hand elevator moves through a much greater arc than the
>> left. A fact that is probably less noticeable with the rudder in place.
>> However, when I adjust the clevises and the Rivethead bracket to get
>> 35 degrees of deflection at the full up trim position, I find that I
>> am at the maximum physical deflection of the tab itself (not a
>> problem, just an acceptable coincidence).
>> More noteworthy, I find that with both the left and right hand
>> elevator tabs adjusted to 35 degrees full up at one end of the
>> servo's travel, going to the full down trim position results in the
>> right elevator tab moving to a roughly 20 degree deflection while the
>> left elevator tab is at zero deflection. In fact, the last few mm of
>> servo movement result in the left tab deflecting very slightly in the
>> opposite direction.
>>
>> None of this is inconsistent with the asymmetric geometry of the
>> whole setup but just want some warm fuzzies that others are
>> experienced something similar. (If this is in the archives, I just
>> can't find it).
>>
>> Bill "there's a good bit of trim drag in here somewhere" Watson
>> 40605
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: air conditioner and magnetometer location |
I WENT WITH ENGINE DRIVEN.
DOUG PRESTON
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: air conditioner and magnetometer location
Are those considering AC planning on the engine driven or all
electric? 14 or 28V systems?
On Feb 7, 2008 2:42 PM, tomhanaway <tomhanaway@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm seriously considering the Flightline ac system. Weight is not an issue for
me.
> My big concern is the future location of the magnetometer. Whatever avionics
I use, this mounting will be critical. Just looking at the AFS site, the minimum
recommended distance from any signicant metal mass is 24". Usual mounting point
for the magnetometer and the a/c evaporator are both in the forward part of the
tailcone.
>
> I spoke to one installer that advised putting the magnetometer in the overhead
console.
>
> Is my concern valid?
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom Hanaway
> starting qb fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162881#162881
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: air conditioner and magnetometer location |
I'm looking at 12v engine driven.
Tom
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162917#162917
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| Subject: | Ignition Switch Drawing |
"cutout" ? No CAD drawing but it's a .860 plus or minus call it a 7/8
round hole unless I'm missing something. It does have an internal key slot
but I think that's more for the trim ring position than anything else.
Bill S
7a Ark
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Switch Drawing
Does anybody have a CAD drawing of the cutout for the standard ACS
Ignition/Mag/Start keyswitch?
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Switch Drawing |
The position and size of that slot is what I am wanting. It keeps the
switch from rotating in the hole and gets it perfectly aligned to
start with.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote:
> "cutout" ? No CAD drawing but it's a .860 plus or minus call it a
> 7/8 round hole unless I'm missing something. It does have an
> internal key slot but I think that's more for the trim ring position
> than anything else.
>
> Bill S
> 7a Ark
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Switch Drawing
>
> Does anybody have a CAD drawing of the cutout for the standard ACS
> Ignition/Mag/Start keyswitch?
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
> www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: Trimming the cowling |
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
> The slot for the lower cowl needs to extend all the way forward,
> stopping 4.25" from the leading edge of the intake. This allows the
> cowl to be dropped down then slid forward. I took a picute of Wayne
> Egerton (Sorry for the spelling Wayne)I plan to install an aluminum
> panel on mine to cover the front portion of the slot from the gear
> leg up...Deems has done similar to his cowl.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Ackerman" <johnag5b@cableone.net>
> To: ricksked@embarqmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 3:37:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/
> Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trimming the cowling
>
> Hey Rick - if you have info or pics of the way you configured your
> lower cowl to accommodate removing it around the three blade prop,
> I'm sure several of us would benefit...
> John Ackerman 40458
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Rick Sked wrote:
>> I cut the top cowl in today...Guys and Gals I gotta tell you the
>> masking tape to mark the firewall cut is the BOMB!!!... I use two
>> wheels so far and that inclusdes the slot in the bottom cowl, my
>> slot is much long due to the three blade prop...highly recommended
>> these nifty cut off wheels.
>> Rick S.
>> 40185=EF=BC
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