RV10-List Digest Archive

Mon 02/11/08


Total Messages Posted: 20



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     1. 03:54 AM - FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale (Bob Leffler)
     2. 06:08 AM - Re: Flymire heated pitot (johngoodman)
     3. 06:22 AM - Dimmers (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
     4. 06:42 AM - Re: Parking Brake Question (Deems Davis)
     5. 06:47 AM - Re: V Speeds (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
     6. 06:50 AM - Re: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale (William Britton)
     7. 07:14 AM - Re: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale (John Jessen)
     8. 07:25 AM - Re: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale (Bob Leffler)
     9. 09:05 AM - Re: Aircrafter's Seminar Pictures (nick@nleonard.com)
    10. 09:50 AM - Re: V Speeds (bcondrey)
    11. 09:55 AM - Re: V Speeds (gary)
    12. 10:19 AM - Re: Torque Wrenches (Michael Wellenzohn)
    13. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: V Speeds (Tim Olson)
    14. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: V Speeds (Chris and Susie McGough)
    15. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: V Speeds (Tim Olson)
    16. 08:01 PM - alternate elevator trim settings or twisted tail (Bill DeRouchey)
    17. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: V Speeds (Dave Leikam)
    18. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: V Speeds (bob.kaufmann)
    19. 11:19 PM - Re: Peel ply left on the cabin top NOT - fitting the cabin top (Patrick ONeill)
    20. 11:36 PM - Re: Re: V Speeds (Patrick ONeill)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:54:27 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale
    Contact Rick Gray if you have any interest. From: OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale Hi Gang, Wow....Danno' had a LOT OF STUFF!! As you know Dan bought nothing but the best...along with all the 'bells and whistles'. I picked up all of his airplane stuff on Thursday (13hrs)....got it 'semi' organized on Friday (13hrs)....and it was picked up on Saturday (another long day :^)). Jimmy B. who I took for a ride and many of you met a couple months ago (and, who ordered the entire RV7 QB from Van) is the proud new owner of Dan's very lightly used drill press, DRDT dimpler, brand new C' frame dimpler, big time fancy smancy Daniels Mil Spec Crimper, pneumatic squeezer(s), band saw, 4" belt sander....etc etc etc etc etc etc...you get the message. I'm really glad it all went to one place....and especially to Jim (I like to call him 'Jimmy' :^). I figure I'll get to 'use' these tools whenever I'm over at Jim's place helping him pound rivets so I couldn't be happier!! Oh yea...I bought a few things for myself....I wanted something that would remind me of Dan everytime I used it! OK...that said...there are a few items left over....I'll be posting them on Doug's site tomorrow or the next day but I said I'd mention them here 1st.....so I am :^). Dan loved this group and I hope it goes to folks from the group....if not...'it is what it is'. -Brand New in the box never used Lightspeed Thirty Three 'G' headsets with the Lemo Power plugs....2 sets...Dan had bought these for the kids. Lightspeed will change them to 'standard' jacks if needed. -Brand New never used RV10 Cabin cover...has Dan's N number on it in what appears to be vinyl. It looks like it will come off with a heat gun but I'm NOT going to touch it. It's great big hefty top quality cover that is in a heavy duty soft case. I can pull it out and see who made it you need me to. -Untouched RV10 spinner kit....no hardware but I can provide it if desired....I sorted all of Dan's leftover hardware into my bins as I felt it was the best place for it. -'Used' Flightcom Denali ANR headset (blue) that shows normal wear. No paperwork or bag or anything. I tried it on at the house and the ANR worked with the batteries that were in the case. -RV10 upper and lower cowls. Untouched...Dan went the James cowls. -LOTS of books including many of Tony B's books....some still have the shrink wrap on them and ALL of them are in perfect condition. If you are interested in any of the books let me know and I can make a list....I put in 3 13+hr days on it so far and haven't had time to make a list. Obviously I'll have to but I'm just letting you know that there are a LOT of quality aviation releted 'reading' and 'how to' books. -King IFR package in carry case. Lots of books and DVDS....just glanced at it so that's all I know about it right now. -Brand new (used once is my guess) Intercomp Racing scales. Dan didn't even pull the plastic off the bases. http://tinyurl.com/2tpyzx -'The Claw' tie down system. I'd like to say that is was 'new in the box' but I saw a couple of blades of grass in there and a couple of 'marks' on the one of the yellow powdercoated anchors so they are 'almost new'. -new heater/blower that Dan had for the Suby engine in the RV10. -overhead console for the RV10 -armrest console for the RV10. -huge (maybe 20 gallon) square (remote type) fiberglass fuel tank with cap/vent/etc.....you know Dan....he wanted to fly the RV10 non stop to California and back :^). The tank is obviously new. -I also have Dan's custom made (his own invention AFAIK) RV10 door lock system for the factory outside door handles. They are powdercoated red and have locks on them (2 ea). You'll have to 'remove' the locks and get your own as I don't have any keys. They are one of kind and a very neat idea for the factory locks...I like the factory handles better than the aftermarket and Dan was going to make me a set but we never got around to it since I sold my RV10. I may call one of the vendors to see if they want to copy Dan's idea after checking with Trish. There is more but that's off the top of my head to see if there was any interest. I can (and will) provide any/all details on any of the stuff....again....this post was just to get the word out to you guys. I'm NOT putting prices on anything...it was Dan's and the money goes to Trish so you offer what ever it's worth to you. I figure if you are interested then you have an idea of the value. If you want it then make me an offer and we'll go from there. All checks can be made out to Trish and you pay your own shipping. Rick at the Buffalo Farm - -Oh yea...my little Red Haired Wifey reminded me that I have an 'assortment' of David Clark and Lightspeed ANR headsets that I've collected if anyone is interested let me know...again...these are mine and not part of Dan's stuff. __._,_.___


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    Time: 06:08:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flymire heated pitot
    From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
    That price is a little steep. The full list of pitot tubes from Aircraft Spruce has that one near the top and you have to scroll down a lot to find the Gretz heated pitot tube for $40 less; and a lot more scrolling to find the Dynon heated pitot/AOA tube - also for $40 less. Why does it have a $40 premium? John -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163455#163455


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    Time: 06:22:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Dimmers
    From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
    I like the dimmers from Perihelion: http://www.periheliondesign.com/egpavr.htm TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 Almost done with Wheelpants! tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile)


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    Time: 06:42:38 AM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Parking Brake Question
    Les, I can't remember whether it was a DG2 or 3 or DG4, I've got a variety of Adel clamp sizes and I used one which didn't allow any movement. Deems Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi Deems > > Your setup is very similar to mine (I shamelessly borrowed from the various > methods posted). It looks like you used a 1/4" cushion clap to hold the > cable sleeve. Is this correct? > > Cheers > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: February-10-08 8:20 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Parking Brake Question > > > Here's one way. > http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2036%20Brake%20Lines/slides/DSC05253.html > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > Les Kearney wrote: > >> Hi >> >> >> >> Over the weekend I started working on a parking brake. I have looked >> at the pix in the archives but am still wondering about the best way >> to attach the cable sleeve to the standoff. I have tried a 1/4" >> cushion clamp but am not happy with the results (it seems a bit loose). >> >> >> >> Can any of the build gurus suggest a better way? >> >> * >> * >> > > >


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    Time: 06:47:56 AM PST US
    From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com
    Subject: Re: V Speeds
    In a message dated 2/10/2008 7:04:07 PM Central Standard Time, speckter@comcast.net writes: I don't comment often, but taking off on the first flight without setting the various speeds into your EFIS could easily make it your last flight I sort of hope that most builders flying skill are a little better than that...if you need to fly by numbers then you may not want to be the test pilot until you buildup some feel skills to test flight a new plane. Sure you may have some surprise, but for goodness sake get some air under you and use a longer runway than you think you'll need until you've got the feel of the plane. Who knows that any of the instruments may be accure on your first but you should be able to fly the plane by feel and touch. You may need to borrow a good handheld GPS that will give you some back up numbers such as a Garmin 396/496...but don't get too bogged down in the screens and forget to fly the plane...these wiz bang devices are great but you've only got a few things to consider....airspeed, attitude and altitude. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)


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    Time: 06:50:40 AM PST US
    From: "William Britton" <william@gbta.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale
    What is Rick's e-mail??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Leffler To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale Contact Rick Gray if you have any interest. From: OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:37 PM To: OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale Hi Gang, Wow....Danno' had a LOT OF STUFF!! As you know Dan bought nothing but the best...along with all the 'bells and whistles'. I picked up all of his airplane stuff on Thursday (13hrs)....got it 'semi' organized on Friday (13hrs)....and it was picked up on Saturday (another long day :^)). Jimmy B. who I took for a ride and many of you met a couple months ago (and, who ordered the entire RV7 QB from Van) is the proud new owner of Dan's very lightly used drill press, DRDT dimpler, brand new C' frame dimpler, big time fancy smancy Daniels Mil Spec Crimper, pneumatic squeezer(s), band saw, 4" belt sander....etc etc etc etc etc etc...you get the message. I'm really glad it all went to one place....and especially to Jim (I like to call him 'Jimmy' :^). I figure I'll get to 'use' these tools whenever I'm over at Jim's place helping him pound rivets so I couldn't be happier!! Oh yea...I bought a few things for myself....I wanted something that would remind me of Dan everytime I used it! OK...that said...there are a few items left over....I'll be posting them on Doug's site tomorrow or the next day but I said I'd mention them here 1st.....so I am :^). Dan loved this group and I hope it goes to folks from the group....if not...'it is what it is'. -Brand New in the box never used Lightspeed Thirty Three 'G' headsets with the Lemo Power plugs....2 sets...Dan had bought these for the kids. Lightspeed will change them to 'standard' jacks if needed. -Brand New never used RV10 Cabin cover...has Dan's N number on it in what appears to be vinyl. It looks like it will come off with a heat gun but I'm NOT going to touch it. It's great big hefty top quality cover that is in a heavy duty soft case. I can pull it out and see who made it you need me to. -Untouched RV10 spinner kit....no hardware but I can provide it if desired....I sorted all of Dan's leftover hardware into my bins as I felt it was the best place for it. -'Used' Flightcom Denali ANR headset (blue) that shows normal wear. No paperwork or bag or anything. I tried it on at the house and the ANR worked with the batteries that were in the case. -RV10 upper and lower cowls. Untouched...Dan went the James cowls. -LOTS of books including many of Tony B's books....some still have the shrink wrap on them and ALL of them are in perfect condition. If you are interested in any of the books let me know and I can make a list....I put in 3 13+hr days on it so far and haven't had time to make a list. Obviously I'll have to but I'm just letting you know that there are a LOT of quality aviation releted 'reading' and 'how to' books. -King IFR package in carry case. Lots of books and DVDS....just glanced at it so that's all I know about it right now. -Brand new (used once is my guess) Intercomp Racing scales. Dan didn't even pull the plastic off the bases. http://tinyurl.com/2tpyzx -'The Claw' tie down system. I'd like to say that is was 'new in the box' but I saw a couple of blades of grass in there and a couple of 'marks' on the one of the yellow powdercoated anchors so they are 'almost new'. -new heater/blower that Dan had for the Suby engine in the RV10. -overhead console for the RV10 -armrest console for the RV10. -huge (maybe 20 gallon) square (remote type) fiberglass fuel tank with cap/vent/etc.....you know Dan....he wanted to fly the RV10 non stop to California and back :^). The tank is obviously new. -I also have Dan's custom made (his own invention AFAIK) RV10 door lock system for the factory outside door handles. They are powdercoated red and have locks on them (2 ea). You'll have to 'remove' the locks and get your own as I don't have any keys. They are one of kind and a very neat idea for the factory locks...I like the factory handles better than the aftermarket and Dan was going to make me a set but we never got around to it since I sold my RV10. I may call one of the vendors to see if they want to copy Dan's idea after checking with Trish. There is more but that's off the top of my head to see if there was any interest. I can (and will) provide any/all details on any of the stuff....again....this post was just to get the word out to you guys. I'm NOT putting prices on anything...it was Dan's and the money goes to Trish so you offer what ever it's worth to you. I figure if you are interested then you have an idea of the value. If you want it then make me an offer and we'll go from there. All checks can be made out to Trish and you pay your own shipping. Rick at the Buffalo Farm - -Oh yea...my little Red Haired Wifey reminded me that I have an 'assortment' of David Clark and Lightspeed ANR headsets that I've collected if anyone is interested let me know...again...these are mine and not part of Dan's stuff. __._,_.___ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2/10/2008 12:21 PM


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    Time: 07:14:25 AM PST US
    Subject: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale
    From: John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com>
    Yes, what's his email. I tried to email the Ohio Valley group and it bounced. do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Britton Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale What is Rick's e-mail??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Leffler <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale Contact Rick Gray if you have any interest. From: OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale Hi Gang, Wow....Danno' had a LOT OF STUFF!! As you know Dan bought nothing but the best...along with all the 'bells and whistles'. I picked up all of his airplane stuff on Thursday (13hrs)....got it 'semi' organized on Friday (13hrs)....and it was picked up on Saturday (another long day :^)). Jimmy B. who I took for a ride and many of you met a couple months ago (and, who ordered the entire RV7 QB from Van) is the proud new owner of Dan's very lightly used drill press, DRDT dimpler, brand new C' frame dimpler, big time fancy smancy Daniels Mil Spec Crimper, pneumatic squeezer(s), band saw, 4" belt sander....etc etc etc etc etc etc...you get the message. I'm really glad it all went to one place....and especially to Jim (I like to call him 'Jimmy' :^). I figure I'll get to 'use' these tools whenever I'm over at Jim's place helping him pound rivets so I couldn't be happier!! Oh yea...I bought a few things for myself....I wanted something that would remind me of Dan everytime I used it! OK...that said...there are a few items left over....I'll be posting them on Doug's site tomorrow or the next day but I said I'd mention them here 1st.....so I am :^). Dan loved this group and I hope it goes to folks from the group....if not...'it is what it is'. -Brand New in the box never used Lightspeed Thirty Three 'G' headsets with the Lemo Power plugs....2 sets...Dan had bought these for the kids. Lightspeed will change them to 'standard' jacks if needed. -Brand New never used RV10 Cabin cover...has Dan's N number on it in what appears to be vinyl. It looks like it will come off with a heat gun but I'm NOT going to touch it. It's great big hefty top quality cover that is in a heavy duty soft case. I can pull it out and see who made it you need me to. -Untouched RV10 spinner kit....no hardware but I can provide it if desired....I sorted all of Dan's leftover hardware into my bins as I felt it was the best place for it. -'Used' Flightcom Denali ANR headset (blue) that shows normal wear. No paperwork or bag or anything. I tried it on at the house and the ANR worked with the batteries that were in the case. -RV10 upper and lower cowls. Untouched...Dan went the James cowls. -LOTS of books including many of Tony B's books....some still have the shrink wrap on them and ALL of them are in perfect condition. If you are interested in any of the books let me know and I can make a list....I put in 3 13+hr days on it so far and haven't had time to make a list. Obviously I'll have to but I'm just letting you know that there are a LOT of quality aviation releted 'reading' and 'how to' books. -King IFR package in carry case. Lots of books and DVDS....just glanced at it so that's all I know about it right now. -Brand new (used once is my guess) Intercomp Racing scales. Dan didn't even pull the plastic off the bases. http://tinyurl.com/2tpyzx -'The Claw' tie down system. I'd like to say that is was 'new in the box' but I saw a couple of blades of grass in there and a couple of 'marks' on the one of the yellow powdercoated anchors so they are 'almost new'. -new heater/blower that Dan had for the Suby engine in the RV10. -overhead console for the RV10 -armrest console for the RV10. -huge (maybe 20 gallon) square (remote type) fiberglass fuel tank with cap/vent/etc.....you know Dan....he wanted to fly the RV10 non stop to California and back :^). The tank is obviously new. -I also have Dan's custom made (his own invention AFAIK) RV10 door lock system for the factory outside door handles. They are powdercoated red and have locks on them (2 ea). You'll have to 'remove' the locks and get your own as I don't have any keys. They are one of kind and a very neat idea for the factory locks...I like the factory handles better than the aftermarket and Dan was going to make me a set but we never got around to it since I sold my RV10. I may call one of the vendors to see if they want to copy Dan's idea after checking with Trish. There is more but that's off the top of my head to see if there was any interest. I can (and will) provide any/all details on any of the stuff....again....this post was just to get the word out to you guys. I'm NOT putting prices on anything...it was Dan's and the money goes to Trish so you offer what ever it's worth to you. I figure if you are interested then you have an idea of the value. If you want it then make me an offer and we'll go from there. All checks can be made out to Trish and you pay your own shipping. Rick at the Buffalo Farm - -Oh yea...my little Red Haired Wifey reminded me that I have an 'assortment' of David Clark and Lightspeed ANR headsets that I've collected if anyone is interested let me know...again...these are mine and not part of Dan's stuff. __._,_.___ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM


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    Time: 07:25:15 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale
    rickgray@roadrunner.com From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Britton Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale What is Rick's e-mail??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Leffler <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale Contact Rick Gray if you have any interest. From: OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's tools and stuff for sale Hi Gang, Wow....Danno' had a LOT OF STUFF!! As you know Dan bought nothing but the best...along with all the 'bells and whistles'. I picked up all of his airplane stuff on Thursday (13hrs)....got it 'semi' organized on Friday (13hrs)....and it was picked up on Saturday (another long day :^)). Jimmy B. who I took for a ride and many of you met a couple months ago (and, who ordered the entire RV7 QB from Van) is the proud new owner of Dan's very lightly used drill press, DRDT dimpler, brand new C' frame dimpler, big time fancy smancy Daniels Mil Spec Crimper, pneumatic squeezer(s), band saw, 4" belt sander....etc etc etc etc etc etc...you get the message. I'm really glad it all went to one place....and especially to Jim (I like to call him 'Jimmy' :^). I figure I'll get to 'use' these tools whenever I'm over at Jim's place helping him pound rivets so I couldn't be happier!! Oh yea...I bought a few things for myself....I wanted something that would remind me of Dan everytime I used it! OK...that said...there are a few items left over....I'll be posting them on Doug's site tomorrow or the next day but I said I'd mention them here 1st.....so I am :^). Dan loved this group and I hope it goes to folks from the group....if not...'it is what it is'. -Brand New in the box never used Lightspeed Thirty Three 'G' headsets with the Lemo Power plugs....2 sets...Dan had bought these for the kids. Lightspeed will change them to 'standard' jacks if needed. -Brand New never used RV10 Cabin cover...has Dan's N number on it in what appears to be vinyl. It looks like it will come off with a heat gun but I'm NOT going to touch it. It's great big hefty top quality cover that is in a heavy duty soft case. I can pull it out and see who made it you need me to. -Untouched RV10 spinner kit....no hardware but I can provide it if desired....I sorted all of Dan's leftover hardware into my bins as I felt it was the best place for it. -'Used' Flightcom Denali ANR headset (blue) that shows normal wear. No paperwork or bag or anything. I tried it on at the house and the ANR worked with the batteries that were in the case. -RV10 upper and lower cowls. Untouched...Dan went the James cowls. -LOTS of books including many of Tony B's books....some still have the shrink wrap on them and ALL of them are in perfect condition. If you are interested in any of the books let me know and I can make a list....I put in 3 13+hr days on it so far and haven't had time to make a list. Obviously I'll have to but I'm just letting you know that there are a LOT of quality aviation releted 'reading' and 'how to' books. -King IFR package in carry case. Lots of books and DVDS....just glanced at it so that's all I know about it right now. -Brand new (used once is my guess) Intercomp Racing scales. Dan didn't even pull the plastic off the bases. http://tinyurl.com/2tpyzx -'The Claw' tie down system. I'd like to say that is was 'new in the box' but I saw a couple of blades of grass in there and a couple of 'marks' on the one of the yellow powdercoated anchors so they are 'almost new'. -new heater/blower that Dan had for the Suby engine in the RV10. -overhead console for the RV10 -armrest console for the RV10. -huge (maybe 20 gallon) square (remote type) fiberglass fuel tank with cap/vent/etc.....you know Dan....he wanted to fly the RV10 non stop to California and back :^). The tank is obviously new. -I also have Dan's custom made (his own invention AFAIK) RV10 door lock system for the factory outside door handles. They are powdercoated red and have locks on them (2 ea). You'll have to 'remove' the locks and get your own as I don't have any keys. They are one of kind and a very neat idea for the factory locks...I like the factory handles better than the aftermarket and Dan was going to make me a set but we never got around to it since I sold my RV10. I may call one of the vendors to see if they want to copy Dan's idea after checking with Trish. There is more but that's off the top of my head to see if there was any interest. I can (and will) provide any/all details on any of the stuff....again....this post was just to get the word out to you guys. I'm NOT putting prices on anything...it was Dan's and the money goes to Trish so you offer what ever it's worth to you. I figure if you are interested then you have an idea of the value. If you want it then make me an offer and we'll go from there. All checks can be made out to Trish and you pay your own shipping. Rick at the Buffalo Farm - -Oh yea...my little Red Haired Wifey reminded me that I have an 'assortment' of David Clark and Lightspeed ANR headsets that I've collected if anyone is interested let me know...again...these are mine and not part of Dan's stuff. __._,_.___ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2864 (20080211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.


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    Time: 09:05:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aircrafter's Seminar Pictures
    From: "nick@nleonard.com" <nick@nleonard.com>
    The pictures from the class are great, especially of the windows. Can someone please answer a couple of questions? 1) What adhesive was used for bonding the windows to the frame? 2) There appears to be a black trim of some sort around the outside of the window. What is it and what was the process to install it? I have been struggling with this process since the Weld-On seems to be a good adhesive but a little too hard to keep from cracking in the seams. All replies are appreciated. Nick -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163502#163502


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    Time: 09:50:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: V Speeds
    From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Anybody that thinks that any of us should be going out and flying a test regime to determine our own Va, Vfe and Vne should seriously rethink their position. These are design limits! I have to believe that the early responses were people assuming the request was simply for stall speeds. All EFIS systems require entry of the "arc limits" (just like a simple mechanical ASI) so the information can be displayed. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163507#163507


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    Time: 09:55:31 AM PST US
    From: "gary" <speckter@comcast.net>
    Subject: V Speeds
    I can just feel the love Gary _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: V Speeds In a message dated 2/10/2008 7:04:07 PM Central Standard Time, speckter@comcast.net writes: I don't comment often, but taking off on the first flight without setting the various speeds into your EFIS could easily make it your last flight I sort of hope that most builders flying skill are a little better than that...if you need to fly by numbers then you may not want to be the test pilot until you buildup some feel skills to test flight a new plane. Sure you may have some surprise, but for goodness sake get some air under you and use a longer runway than you think you'll need until you've got the feel of the plane. Who knows that any of the instruments may be accure on your first but you should be able to fly the plane by feel and touch. You may need to borrow a good handheld GPS that will give you some back up numbers such as a Garmin 396/496...but don't get too bogged down in the screens and forget to fly the plane...these wiz bang devices are great but you've only got a few things to consider....airspeed, attitude and altitude. _____ Who's never won? Biggest <http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030000 0002548> Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.


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    Time: 10:19:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Torque Wrenches
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    Great, thanks you all for your advice! Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163515#163515


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    Time: 04:15:24 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: V Speeds
    Ha!! Makes me think..... "I tested it to Vne, nope...didn't break. Well, so I tested it to 20kts greater. Nope, didn't break. So I added 50 more kts. Nope, not yet. Added another 5 kts. Dang...was that my wing that just made that noise? Yep, Well, there you go....I guess I'll set the Vne to 270kts. ;)" That is ALLLLLL nonsense, for those who can't decipher. Yep, when I commented, I just meant the "other" speeds. The ones you just listed??? I'd rather not be a part of testing. I got a chuckle out of the concept of testing though. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive bcondrey wrote: > <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> > > Anybody that thinks that any of us should be going out and flying a > test regime to determine our own Va, Vfe and Vne should seriously > rethink their position. These are design limits! I have to believe > that the early responses were people assuming the request was simply > for stall speeds. > > All EFIS systems require entry of the "arc limits" (just like a > simple mechanical ASI) so the information can be displayed. > > Bob > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163507#163507 > > >


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    Time: 04:34:15 PM PST US
    From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Re: V Speeds
    Tim was that IAS TAS or CAS? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds > > Ha!! Makes me think..... > > "I tested it to Vne, nope...didn't break. Well, so I tested it to > 20kts greater. Nope, didn't break. So I added 50 more kts. > Nope, not yet. Added another 5 kts. Dang...was that my wing > that just made that noise? Yep, Well, there you go....I guess I'll > set the Vne to 270kts. ;)" > > That is ALLLLLL nonsense, for those who can't decipher. > > Yep, when I commented, I just meant the "other" speeds. The ones > you just listed??? I'd rather not be a part of testing. > > I got a chuckle out of the concept of testing though. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > bcondrey wrote: >> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> >> >> Anybody that thinks that any of us should be going out and flying a >> test regime to determine our own Va, Vfe and Vne should seriously >> rethink their position. These are design limits! I have to believe >> that the early responses were people assuming the request was simply >> for stall speeds. >> >> All EFIS systems require entry of the "arc limits" (just like a >> simple mechanical ASI) so the information can be displayed. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163507#163507 >> >> >> > > > > >


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    Time: 06:14:45 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: V Speeds
    Aw, what the heck, it was calibrated true airspeed being indicated. ;) The hardest part of the testing is that I prefer to set my instruments to read in furlongs per minute, which really messes with the avionics algorithm, and I was only showing 41 fur/min, so I figured that this meant I was still technically WAY under the number 200..... which was what Van's spec'd, right? ;) What fun you can have http://www.onlineconversion.com/speed_all.htm That's not too bad, considering I have a 197.7 poncelet power engine. http://www.onlineconversion.com/power.htm Heck, I'm learning units that I didn't even know existed. ;) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chris and Susie McGough wrote: > <VHMUM@bigpond.com> > > Tim was that IAS TAS or CAS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds > > >> >> Ha!! Makes me think..... >> >> "I tested it to Vne, nope...didn't break. Well, so I tested it to >> 20kts greater. Nope, didn't break. So I added 50 more kts. >> Nope, not yet. Added another 5 kts. Dang...was that my wing >> that just made that noise? Yep, Well, there you go....I guess I'll >> set the Vne to 270kts. ;)" >> >> That is ALLLLLL nonsense, for those who can't decipher. >> >> Yep, when I commented, I just meant the "other" speeds. The ones >> you just listed??? I'd rather not be a part of testing. >> >> I got a chuckle out of the concept of testing though. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> bcondrey wrote: >>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> >>> >>> Anybody that thinks that any of us should be going out and flying a >>> test regime to determine our own Va, Vfe and Vne should seriously >>> rethink their position. These are design limits! I have to believe >>> that the early responses were people assuming the request was simply >>> for stall speeds. >>> >>> All EFIS systems require entry of the "arc limits" (just like a >>> simple mechanical ASI) so the information can be displayed. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163507#163507 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >


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    Time: 08:01:20 PM PST US
    From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com>
    Subject: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted tail
    All: I have had several requests to repost my elevator trim investigation from December 2006. Four or five builders have called since the original post asking about my confidence level and other questions and they all said they would follow the measurements below. As I received no feedback my assumption is that all is well. Additionally, the two RV-10's at WVI use the following settings with no issues. The key idea is load the plane with light people in the rear seats, add approximately 60 lbs of baggage, run the plane up to cruise and look for the twisted condition. Keep this problem as a possibility in your mind until you rule it out. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I went through this issue with Vans couple of months ago hoping for a plans revision or service bulletin but those folks seem to be busy in other areas - but I believe it to be important and want to share my findings. I setup my elevator tabs per the instructions with both left and right 35 degrees below trail position when the servo is at the full up position. It is possible to meet this spec by making adjustments at the servo end of the cable. During my first cross country I happened to look back at the tail and saw it was twisted. The elevator counter weight was above the horizontal stablizer on one side and below on the other. This bothered me more than a little as the forces would need to be high to cause this twist. I had not noticed this during my test flights because I now had luggage in the back and needed more down trim. After a lot of measurements I determined that the problem was I followed the instructions. If you begin with both elevator trim surfaces down at exactly 35 degrees the port side will never rise to trail position do to the cam action of the two actuators. Yet, the starboard will rise .75 inch above trail causing the twist. At a minimum effort, all flying RV-10s should check for this condition. The fix is easy. Highly recommend that you set the trim as follows: 1. Run the trim servo to full nose up. 2. Set the starboard trim tab trailing edge to 3 inches below elevator trailing edge. 3. Run the starboard trim tab to trail. 4. Set the port trim tab to trail. Using these settings you will be able to trim out all pitch forces during final with the CG forward. Bill DeRouchey billderou(at)yahoo.com N939SB, flying straight ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Time: 08:03:05 PM PST US
    From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: V Speeds
    I thought you could just release a cord with knots spaced out on it from the window and see how fast they flew past the tail to get your speed???? Dave Leikam do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds > > Aw, what the heck, it was calibrated true airspeed being indicated. > ;) > > The hardest part of the testing is that I prefer to set my instruments > to read in furlongs per minute, which really messes with the avionics > algorithm, and I was only showing 41 fur/min, so I figured that > this meant I was still technically WAY under the number 200..... > which was what Van's spec'd, right? ;) > > What fun you can have http://www.onlineconversion.com/speed_all.htm > > That's not too bad, considering I have a 197.7 poncelet power engine. > http://www.onlineconversion.com/power.htm > > Heck, I'm learning units that I didn't even know existed. ;) > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Chris and Susie McGough wrote: >> <VHMUM@bigpond.com> >> >> Tim was that IAS TAS or CAS? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:10 AM >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds >> >> >>> >>> Ha!! Makes me think..... >>> >>> "I tested it to Vne, nope...didn't break. Well, so I tested it to >>> 20kts greater. Nope, didn't break. So I added 50 more kts. >>> Nope, not yet. Added another 5 kts. Dang...was that my wing >>> that just made that noise? Yep, Well, there you go....I guess I'll >>> set the Vne to 270kts. ;)" >>> >>> That is ALLLLLL nonsense, for those who can't decipher. >>> >>> Yep, when I commented, I just meant the "other" speeds. The ones >>> you just listed??? I'd rather not be a part of testing. >>> >>> I got a chuckle out of the concept of testing though. >>> >>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> bcondrey wrote: >>>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> >>>> >>>> Anybody that thinks that any of us should be going out and flying a >>>> test regime to determine our own Va, Vfe and Vne should seriously >>>> rethink their position. These are design limits! I have to believe >>>> that the early responses were people assuming the request was simply >>>> for stall speeds. >>>> >>>> All EFIS systems require entry of the "arc limits" (just like a >>>> simple mechanical ASI) so the information can be displayed. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163507#163507 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 09:05:42 PM PST US
    From: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: V Speeds
    That's only if you have a piece of wood attached to one end of the log cord. Bob k -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds I thought you could just release a cord with knots spaced out on it from the window and see how fast they flew past the tail to get your speed???? Dave Leikam do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds > > Aw, what the heck, it was calibrated true airspeed being indicated. > ;) > > The hardest part of the testing is that I prefer to set my instruments > to read in furlongs per minute, which really messes with the avionics > algorithm, and I was only showing 41 fur/min, so I figured that > this meant I was still technically WAY under the number 200..... > which was what Van's spec'd, right? ;) > > What fun you can have http://www.onlineconversion.com/speed_all.htm > > That's not too bad, considering I have a 197.7 poncelet power engine. > http://www.onlineconversion.com/power.htm > > Heck, I'm learning units that I didn't even know existed. ;) > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Chris and Susie McGough wrote: >> <VHMUM@bigpond.com> >> >> Tim was that IAS TAS or CAS? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:10 AM >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds >> >> >>> >>> Ha!! Makes me think..... >>> >>> "I tested it to Vne, nope...didn't break. Well, so I tested it to >>> 20kts greater. Nope, didn't break. So I added 50 more kts. >>> Nope, not yet. Added another 5 kts. Dang...was that my wing >>> that just made that noise? Yep, Well, there you go....I guess I'll >>> set the Vne to 270kts. ;)" >>> >>> That is ALLLLLL nonsense, for those who can't decipher. >>> >>> Yep, when I commented, I just meant the "other" speeds. The ones >>> you just listed??? I'd rather not be a part of testing. >>> >>> I got a chuckle out of the concept of testing though. >>> >>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> bcondrey wrote: >>>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> >>>> >>>> Anybody that thinks that any of us should be going out and flying a >>>> test regime to determine our own Va, Vfe and Vne should seriously >>>> rethink their position. These are design limits! I have to believe >>>> that the early responses were people assuming the request was simply >>>> for stall speeds. >>>> >>>> All EFIS systems require entry of the "arc limits" (just like a >>>> simple mechanical ASI) so the information can be displayed. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163507#163507 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 11:19:56 PM PST US
    From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
    Subject: Peel ply left on the cabin top NOT - fitting the cabin
    top Hi Ben, Sorry for the belated response. I've been trying to dig up the card the blades were packaged in so I knew the 'toothings' of the blades I used. The markings on the blade have worn off so I wasn't sure. But I finally found it. At Dave's class I believe they used 24T. I used the 24T with the tapered tip for any rounded cuts like along the windshield flange. It cut well, but dulled rather quickly. I could only use it for maybe 2 sections before I had to swap. I used the 32T non-tapered tip blade for the straight runs like the bottom flange underneath the rear windows. That blade seemed to cut better than the 24T and also seemed to last longer. Not sure if that was due to technique or the section I was cutting, but that's what I recall. I wanted to give the 18T a little try, but ran out of cabin to cut before I got around to it. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 / N690CT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Peel ply left on the cabin top NOT - fitting the cabin top Patrick thanks for the write up. Which body saw blades did you find worked best fine or coarse tooth? -Ben Westfall #40579 / N109LB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick ONeill Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Peel ply left on the cabin top NOT - fitting the cabin top On mine, the scribe lines were very unreliable. The scribes on the cabin bottom flange under the rear windows varied from 1 1/8" to 7/8" (plans specify 3/4")and were extremely wavy with dual scribe lines overlapping and crossing when they started over. I re-marked according to dimensions in the plans. I did not finish the fitting yet, but the initial cuts were definitely too large to fit. The door jams weren't anywhere close to fitting to the fuselage. I've been waiting until I had enough time to carefully work on the fit. As for that magic mini Makita belt sander ( http://www.makita.com/menu.php?pg=product_det&tag=9031 ), when I got home from the Watsonville class I searched all the local places for one, but no one carried it. I ended up using a standard electric hand held Makita 3x18 belt sander which I already had: http://www.makita.com/menu.php?pg=product_det&tag=9910 (have lots of belts, they go quick, I found the more expensive blue belts last much much longer than the standard brown ones and would recommend them) That worked great. To get clean corners I used the die grinder sanding drum kit from Avery: http://www.averytools.com/pc-924-80-3m-rubber-expanding-sanding-drums-and-ba nds-kit.aspx For the actual cutting I used this saw from Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=91753 It worked great aside from running through blades quickly. I ran out but was able to find a blade pack at a local home depot that worked and was able to soldier on to completion: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10 051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100098704 That combination of tools worked perfectly for me. I'm glad I didn't spend the $250 on that mini-Makita. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 / N690CT


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    Time: 11:36:57 PM PST US
    From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
    Subject: Re: V Speeds
    Really Tim? I found furlongs per nanosecond to help tremendously with the mental arithmetic. It was also a big help to convert the wet compass to radians instead of degrees. At first it was a little extra work to accommodate ATC, but you quickly get used to it. We should get the Mythbusters to verify the design speeds. They love to break stuff after building it. That should be right up their alley. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 / N690CT Do NOT archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds Aw, what the heck, it was calibrated true airspeed being indicated. ;) The hardest part of the testing is that I prefer to set my instruments to read in furlongs per minute, which really messes with the avionics algorithm, and I was only showing 41 fur/min, so I figured that this meant I was still technically WAY under the number 200..... which was what Van's spec'd, right? ;) What fun you can have http://www.onlineconversion.com/speed_all.htm That's not too bad, considering I have a 197.7 poncelet power engine. http://www.onlineconversion.com/power.htm Heck, I'm learning units that I didn't even know existed. ;) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chris and Susie McGough wrote: > <VHMUM@bigpond.com> > > Tim was that IAS TAS or CAS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds > > >> >> Ha!! Makes me think..... >> >> "I tested it to Vne, nope...didn't break. Well, so I tested it to >> 20kts greater. Nope, didn't break. So I added 50 more kts. >> Nope, not yet. Added another 5 kts. Dang...was that my wing >> that just made that noise? Yep, Well, there you go....I guess I'll >> set the Vne to 270kts. ;)" >> >> That is ALLLLLL nonsense, for those who can't decipher. >> >> Yep, when I commented, I just meant the "other" speeds. The ones >> you just listed??? I'd rather not be a part of testing. >> >> I got a chuckle out of the concept of testing though. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> bcondrey wrote: >>> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> >>> >>> Anybody that thinks that any of us should be going out and flying a >>> test regime to determine our own Va, Vfe and Vne should seriously >>> rethink their position. These are design limits! I have to believe >>> that the early responses were people assuming the request was simply >>> for stall speeds. >>> >>> All EFIS systems require entry of the "arc limits" (just like a >>> simple mechanical ASI) so the information can be displayed. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163507#163507 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >




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