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1. 02:42 AM - Re: Trim Controller (tomhanaway)
2. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: Trim Controller (Bob-tcw)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
4. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (David Maib)
5. 05:33 AM - Hartzell 14" Spinner Dimensions (jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Trim Controller (gary)
7. 05:59 AM - Trim Controller (Fred Williams, M.D.)
8. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (Rick Sked)
9. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
10. 06:40 AM - Re: Hartzell 14" Spinner Dimensions (Fred Williams, M.D.)
11. 06:44 AM - Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting (Lew Gallagher)
12. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (Kelly McMullen)
13. 07:02 AM - Re: V Speeds (steveadams)
14. 07:03 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing (Lew Gallagher)
15. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (nicholscatoauto@aol.com)
16. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting (Phillips, Jack)
17. 07:56 AM - Re: Hartzell 14" Spinner Dimensions (Carl Froehlich)
18. 10:17 AM - Re: Wisconsin Visit (Jeff Carpenter)
19. 11:36 AM - Oil Cooler Aero Duct (Robin Marks)
20. 11:50 AM - Re: Trim Controller (John Hurst)
21. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
22. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (Rick Sked)
23. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (Les Kearney)
24. 08:34 PM - Re: Re: Koolmat Installation (David McNeill)
25. 11:13 PM - New service letter on RV10 (Vernon Smith)
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Controller |
John,
I hadn't heard anything so I called SteinAir last night. They were going through
the list trying to figure out some of the people that ordered based on username.
So they found my name, my bank account is poorer by the amount of servo and harness,
and it's on its way.
So you might just give them a call today.
Tom H.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Trim Controller |
John, Please give Stein a call, he is shipping out product for the
Group Buy promotion. I know first hand! He has Safety-Trim
controllers, harnesses and airspeed switches in stock and is sending
them out every day.
do not archive
Best regards,
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hurst
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Trim Controller
This wasn't from the "Group buy" was it?
I haven't received any info from Stein since Jan 23rd and am hoping
that I haven't deleted something important by mistake.
john
gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
I just got my trim controller from Stein and have a question that
might be helpful to all.
I got the air switch. It has a Pitot input and a Static input. Is
there any overwhelming reason to plumb the static port into the aircraft
system? Why not leave it open to the cabin pressure? Other than being
off a few MPH from time to time would it make any big difference?
Gary
40274
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:20 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Shameless For-Profit Promotion of New RV-10
Products
We've posted a few new products on our web site specifically for
RV-10s: http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm
Please call or email with any questions!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
RON, DO U FEEL IT HELPED REDUCE TUNNEL HEAT?
DOUG PRESTON
N372RV
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 9:54 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Looks like Koolmat installation might become the next 'primer war'
<gag>.
I installed Koolmat on the engine side of the firewall about 12 months
ago when 'tunnel heat' was the hot topic (bad pun - sorry). It was my
attempt to reduce any radiant heat affects that drove tunnel temps and I
used red RTV for attachment. I also installed a layer of Koolmat on the
tunnel floor, attached with velcro in answer to Lew's question below. I
have also heard of builders here in Oz using snap fasteners and even s/s
screws to pin the mat in position, but I doubt that velcro would be up
to the mission in the engine compartment. Just another 0.02 worth.
Cheers,
Ron
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Friday, 15 February 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Hey Guys,
We're not this far yet, but very interested in the discussion. If
removable insulation is desirable, is there a velcro product that could
be used here?
Later, - Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
Well, I did not intend to start a "Koolmat War" when I asked the
original question! However, as always, the list is priceless for all
of the points of view and sources of information. Thanks to all for
the responses. There was never any question from me about what side
it goes on. It is made for the firewall side. I just wanted some
ideas about how to secure it, and now I have that!
Thanks to all.
David Maib
40559
Engine should be hung next week!
do not archive
On Feb 14, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Rick Sked wrote:
OK...
Koolmat is intended as a FIRE BARRIER. It is intended to be installed
on the engine side firewall. Ask all the NASCAR drivers who
experienced catastropic engine fires last year how it worked, it's
standard equipment. If you have a problem with inspecting your
firewall, don't use it. I have it on mine, it is held by a perimeter
bead of red RTV. I can peel it off without much trouble, I have done
it once already. If you want to bat around the inspection of the
firewall issue then fine, I can pull my stainless steel heat valves
off, loosen my eyeball cable guides, remove my firewall mounted
electrial connectors and see my firewall in about an hours worth of
work. BUT....if I prang a landing, the last thing I'm worrying about
is the firewall. The firewall is really not a structural piece. The
weldments and adjoining structural members are the parts that will
absorb the impact and show signs of STRUCTURAL failure. Yes the
firewall will wrinkle, but get on your back, scoot your a!
ss under the panel and see what is really bent. Most of us elected
to use the koolmat to prevent heat buldup in the tunnel. It is a
fiberglass mat with a pure silicone finish. It is NOT a
insulator...it is intended to keep FLAMES from breaching the
firewall. So screw your indifference. Rob has spelled it out..read
the spec sheet on the stuff and decide if you want it or not...Look
at a tube and frame aircraft, the firewall only is intended to keep
flames away from the cockpit...not provide structural integrity. I'm
off the soap box...
Risk Sked
40185
Koolmat user
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:54:29 PM (GMT-0800) America/
Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
I'm glad there is a difference in your mind. That is the only place
you will find any difference in R value or acoustic value.
If it is on the front side, you will NOT be able to properly inspect
the firewall.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Bob-tcw <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm going to use Koolmat on my RV-10, I'm planning on putting it
> on the
> firewall side for the following reasons.
>
> 1) The Silicon side of koolmat is quite impervious to oil and fluids.
> 2) Heat transfer is a function of three modes: Convection,
> Conduction and
> Radiation. Limiting heat transfer into the passanger compartment
> should
> best be accomplished by reducing each of these factors.
> Insulation on
> either side of the firewall will be effective at reducing conduction,
> (convection should not be an issue because there's no airflow over the
> firewall per se) However, Only by insulating the firewall side
> can we
> reduce the effects of radiation. The radiated heat of the engine
> and
> exhaust system will land on the firewall and heat the firewall. With
> insulation only on the cabin side, the firewall effectively is
> heated and
> re-radiates into the cabin. The insulation on the cabin side only
> slows
> the progress of heat flow into the cabin it doesn't prevent it from
> occuring. With insulation on the firewall side, the radiated
> energy cannot
> heat the firewall to begin with and therefore should provide less
> cabin
> heating.
> 3) Accoustically it should be quieter. For the same reasons as
> in # 2 for
> heat, accoustically it should be quiter if the firewall is not
> radiated
> with sound energy. Theoretically! will see in practice
> hopefully the
> end of this year.
>
>
> So those our my reasons for insulating the firewall side. note,
> I do plan
> on corrosion proofing the rivets on the firewall side before
> applying the
> koolmat.
>
> FWIW
>
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies
> www.tcwtech.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Hartzell 14" Spinner Dimensions |
I am looking for a dimension from the propeller mounting surface of the
engine, to the back edge of the spinner. I am attempting to mount the
cowl (James Cowl) without the prop or spinner in hand, and need this
dimension to set the jig used to hold the cowl at the proper dimension
from the face of the crank. There is a rather long lead time on the prop,
and I would like to get the cowl positioned so I can continue mounting the
plenum, ram air, etc. If anyone has the Hartzell 14" spinner (A-2297),
and the 'standard' Hartzell 2-Blade Blended Airfoil Prop (C2YR-1BFP/F8068D
) on hand, I would greatly appreciate any help. I received some numbers
from Hartzell, but am not confident enough to start cutting (they told me
.99"). Others have told me that number doesn't seem right, but do not
have data one way or the other.
Thanks, Jason
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| Subject: | RE: Trim Controller |
Yes it is from the group buy. If you haven't received an e-mail from Stein
verifying your order, I would contact him. Just so all know. The
controller does not come with fittings to tie into your pitot/static system
nor does it come with the 25 pin sub D connector shell or the
on/off/momentary switch you will kneed. So if you are just waiting for the
controller you may want to pick up these things while you wait.
Gary
40274
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hurst
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Trim Controller
This wasn't from the "Group buy" was it?
I haven't received any info from Stein since Jan 23rd and am hoping that I
haven't deleted something important by mistake.
john
gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
I just got my trim controller from Stein and have a question that might be
helpful to all.
I got the air switch. It has a Pitot input and a Static input. Is there
any overwhelming reason to plumb the static port into the aircraft system?
Why not leave it open to the cabin pressure? Other than being off a few MPH
from time to time would it make any big difference?
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Shameless For-Profit Promotion of New RV-10 Products
We've posted a few new products on our web site specifically for RV-10s:
http://www.aircraftersllc.com/products.htm
Please call or email with any questions!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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John;
Mine came in the mail last night. Stein called me last week for my
credit card information. Maybe you ought to call them if you haven't
heard from them over the last two weeks.
Fred.
40515
bonded one door yesterday, whoopee!!
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
Actually I didn't man to imply that the firewall was not structural but to inspect
the firewall and not the structure behind it might allow one to miss damage
to the structure behind the firewall.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Sked" <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:14:58 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
OK...
Koolmat is intended as a FIRE BARRIER. It is intended to be installed on the engine
side firewall. Ask all the NASCAR drivers who experienced catastropic engine
fires last year how it worked, it's standard equipment. If you have a problem
with inspecting your firewall, don't use it. I have it on mine, it is held
by a perimeter bead of red RTV. I can peel it off without much trouble, I have
done it once already. If you want to bat around the inspection of the firewall
issue then fine, I can pull my stainless steel heat valves off, loosen my
eyeball cable guides, remove my firewall mounted electrial connectors and see
my firewall in about an hours worth of work. BUT....if I prang a landing, the
last thing I'm worrying about is the firewall. The firewall is really not a structural
piece. The weldments and adjoining structural members are the parts that
will absorb the impact and show signs of STRUCTURAL failure. Yes the firewall
will wrinkle, but get on your back, scoot your a!
ss under the panel and see what is really bent. Most of us elected to use the
koolmat to prevent heat buldup in the tunnel. It is a fiberglass mat with a pure
silicone finish. It is NOT a insulator...it is intended to keep FLAMES from
breaching the firewall. So screw your indifference. Rob has spelled it out..read
the spec sheet on the stuff and decide if you want it or not...Look at a tube
and frame aircraft, the firewall only is intended to keep flames away from
the cockpit...not provide structural integrity. I'm off the soap box...
Risk Sked
40185
Koolmat user
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:54:29 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
I'm glad there is a difference in your mind. That is the only place
you will find any difference in R value or acoustic value.
If it is on the front side, you will NOT be able to properly inspect
the firewall.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Bob-tcw <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm going to use Koolmat on my RV-10, I'm planning on putting it on the
> firewall side for the following reasons.
>
> 1) The Silicon side of koolmat is quite impervious to oil and fluids.
> 2) Heat transfer is a function of three modes: Convection, Conduction and
> Radiation. Limiting heat transfer into the passanger compartment should
> best be accomplished by reducing each of these factors. Insulation on
> either side of the firewall will be effective at reducing conduction,
> (convection should not be an issue because there's no airflow over the
> firewall per se) However, Only by insulating the firewall side can we
> reduce the effects of radiation. The radiated heat of the engine and
> exhaust system will land on the firewall and heat the firewall. With
> insulation only on the cabin side, the firewall effectively is heated and
> re-radiates into the cabin. The insulation on the cabin side only slows
> the progress of heat flow into the cabin it doesn't prevent it from
> occuring. With insulation on the firewall side, the radiated energy cannot
> heat the firewall to begin with and therefore should provide less cabin
> heating.
> 3) Accoustically it should be quieter. For the same reasons as in # 2 for
> heat, accoustically it should be quiter if the firewall is not radiated
> with sound energy. Theoretically! will see in practice hopefully the
> end of this year.
>
>
> So those our my reasons for insulating the firewall side. note, I do plan
> on corrosion proofing the rivets on the firewall side before applying the
> koolmat.
>
> FWIW
>
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies
> www.tcwtech.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
One of the largest contributors to deaths in aviation is post crash fires
often caused by ruptured fuel tanks...has anyone reviewed fuel cell bladders?
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell 14" Spinner Dimensions |
Jason.
I have the same prop but with a standard cowl. I could measure from the
starter ring to the back of the faceplate. From the face of the starter
ring plate to the back of the spinner plate I measure 2.95 inches. I
was able to mic from the face of the tooth to the back and 3.070
inches. Go to the site below to look at pics of where I took the
measurements. Hope this helps.
Fred.
http://picasaweb.google.com/drfredparis/Engine
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| Subject: | Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting |
About overhead consoles: I went to the junk yard and picked up the overhead out
of a late model Chevy Blazer last weekend (it comes out with three screws) --
complete with wiring harness, front and rear left/right spots, three compartments,
dome light, AND apparently a compass and temp display ... for $25. For
that, I'll make it work!
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Landing gear installed, we're mobile!
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
Choices, choices. How do you feel about an extra 35-40 lbs empty weight?
I would presume you would want to do slow build wings if you go that
direction.
GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> One of the largest contributors to deaths in aviation is post crash
> fires often caused by ruptured fuel tanks...has anyone reviewed fuel
> cell bladders?
>
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I agree you don't want to exceed the design envelope for the plane, but it seems
to me you need to verify the V speeds you can during phase 1. If you are afraid
to test up to design Vne, your Vne should be set at the fastest speed you
are willing to test. Maybe I'm just weird, but to me phase 1 is a test period,
not a "flyoff", so explore the whole flight envelope before you start filling
up the other seats.
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Leg Fairing |
Hey Chris.
Here's a follow up comment to your process of adding a strip of glass/epoxy between
the hinge and the fairing on the strut pants: I did this (as well as adding
a layer over the rivet heads)on the nose strut and I ran into this problem
that others should be aware of.
When you put pressure on the bond with clecoes, some resin squeezes out between
the ears of the hinge. This looked innocent enough at the time and I didn't
think anything about it. But then after it hardened and I tried to mate the two
hinge halves, the slight build up of resin between the ears prevents the mating
hinge from seating all the way in -- so that even though the hinge pin slides
freely in each half separately, it won't draw the hinges together -- i.e.,
you can't get the hinge pin in.
So after a couple hours of carving out the resin between the ears, it finally mates!
Whew! It looks indestructible, but I promise, I will take great care not
to let the resin get in the way on the main gear strut pants!
Later, - Lew
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Landing gear installed, we're mobile!
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
Les
A word of caution when using the 3M yellow. If you use it you will have a very
tough time to remove?the Koolmat for inspection. It is a contact cement made for
installing automotive weather stripping. It will make your installation permanent.
Good stuff though for gluing together non similar items. I think for inspection
purposes the silicone bead will work much better.
Just a thought
Jeff Nichols
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:55 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Lew
When I spoke to Patty at Koolmat today she suggested using a product called
"gorilla snot" (I kid you not) to secure the Koolmat. She said it was also
called "3M Yellow" so I think this is it:
http://www.3mestore.com/62214006090.html?WT.mc_id=3M-com-AtoZ-Super-Weathers
trip-Adhesive
She also mentioned that you must use a silicone based adhesive to join
sheets.
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
C-GCWZ (reserved)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: February-14-08 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Hey Guys,
We're not this far yet, but very interested in the discussion. If removable
insulation is desirable, is there a velcro product that could be used here?
Later, - Lew
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crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Landing gear installed, we're mobile!
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| Subject: | Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting |
How much does it weigh, Lew?
Jack Phillips
Still waiting for my SB Wing Kit
#40610
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting
About overhead consoles: I went to the junk yard and picked up the
overhead out of a late model Chevy Blazer last weekend (it comes out
with three screws) -- complete with wiring harness, front and rear
left/right spots, three compartments, dome light, AND apparently a
compass and temp display ... for $25. For that, I'll make it work!
Later, - Lew
--------
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| Subject: | Hartzell 14" Spinner Dimensions |
Jason,
I will be doing the same install on my RV-10. If you have not yet purchased
the spinner, I just bought one from MustangAero at a much reduced price
($885 for the polished version, $785 for the unpolished one).
The only recommendation I can offer is to not do any cowl work until you
have at lease the spinner in hand. There is a huge slug or work needed to
get a proper cowl fit. Without at least the spinners back plate mounted you
run a risk of doing a lot of rework.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (400 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Hartzell 14" Spinner Dimensions
I am looking for a dimension from the propeller mounting surface of the
engine, to the back edge of the spinner. I am attempting to mount the cowl
(James Cowl) without the prop or spinner in hand, and need this dimension to
set the jig used to hold the cowl at the proper dimension from the face of
the crank. There is a rather long lead time on the prop, and I would like
to get the cowl positioned so I can continue mounting the plenum, ram air,
etc. If anyone has the Hartzell 14" spinner (A-2297), and the 'standard'
Hartzell 2-Blade Blended Airfoil Prop (C2YR-1BFP/F8068D) on hand, I would
greatly appreciate any help. I received some numbers from Hartzell, but am
not confident enough to start cutting (they told me .99"). Others have told
me that number doesn't seem right, but do not have data one way or the
other.
Thanks, Jason
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| Subject: | Re: Wisconsin Visit |
Hi Dave,
We're in town now... actually in Whales. Is there a day/time that
works for you?
Jeff
On Feb 9, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Dave Leikam wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> Give me a call when you get in town. I live in Muskego and would
> love to show you my project if time permits. Muskego is about 20
> min. form Delafield.
>
> Dave Leikam
> #40496
> 414-807-5499 cell
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Carpenter"
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:58 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Wisconsin Visit
>
>
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>> The family and I are heading out to Dellafield Wisconsin next week
>> to see some friends. We'll be in town late Thursday through
>> Monday morning. Weather permitting I'll take my 5 year old son up
>> to the EAA Museum one of the days. Are there any 10 builders in
>> the general area... Milwaukee, Dellafield, Oshkosh up for a visit?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> South Pasadena, California
>> 40304
>> Almost through the dreaded section 29
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Aero Duct |
I made the choice to purchase a premium aero duct to vent my oil cooler
vs. the standard scat tube. I am trying to optimize the airflow to the
cooler and maximize its efficiency. The aero duct has less convolutions
and a smooth silicone inner liner to assist in air flow. It's the same
duct used for routing air to race car disk brake assemblies.
Unfortunately it comes in 12' sections for ~$150 delivered (from
recollection).
I am offering 3' sections to the list for $35.00 including shipping. I
have already sent one section to Don McDonald and he seems to be pleased
with this simple mod.
It's available in any color you want as long as it's Blue (see below).
If anyone is interested please contact me off list.
Robin
Robin@PaintTheWeb.com
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Controller |
Thanks, I though a lot of time had passed since he last contacted me.
John
John;
Mine came in the mail last night. Stein called me last week for my
credit card information. Maybe you ought to call them if you haven't
heard from them over the last two weeks.
Fred.
40515
bonded one door yesterday, whoopee!!
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
Maybe you could place a scrap of Koolmat on your keyboard
before you type....
Kevin
40494
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
><ricksked@embarqmail.com>
>
>OK...
>
>Koolmat is intended as a FIRE BARRIER. It is intended to be
>installed on the engine side firewall. Ask all the NASCAR
>drivers who experienced catastropic engine fires last year
>how it worked, it's standard equipment. If you have a
>problem with inspecting your firewall, don't use it. I have
>it on mine, it is held by a perimeter bead of red RTV. I
>can peel it off without much trouble, I have done it once
>already. If you want to bat around the inspection of the
>firewall issue then fine, I can pull my stainless steel
>heat valves off, loosen my eyeball cable guides, remove my
>firewall mounted electrial connectors and see my firewall
>in about an hours worth of work. BUT....if I prang a
>landing, the last thing I'm worrying about is the firewall.
>The firewall is really not a structural piece. The
>weldments and adjoining structural members are the parts
>that will absorb the impact and show signs of STRUCTURAL
>failure. Yes the firewall will wrinkle, but get on your
>back, scoot your a!
> ss under the panel and see what is really bent. Most of us
>elected to use the koolmat to prevent heat buldup in the
>tunnel. It is a fiberglass mat with a pure silicone finish.
>It is NOT a insulator...it is intended to keep FLAMES from
>breaching the firewall. So screw your indifference. Rob has
>spelled it out..read the spec sheet on the stuff and decide
>if you want it or not...Look at a tube and frame aircraft,
>the firewall only is intended to keep flames away from the
>cockpit...not provide structural integrity. I'm off the
>soap box...
>
>Risk Sked
>40185
>Koolmat user
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
LOL...OK...that's funny...you win.
Rick S.
----- Original Message -----
From: kilopapa@antelecom.net
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:36:21 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Maybe you could place a scrap of Koolmat on your keyboard
before you type....
Kevin
40494
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
><ricksked@embarqmail.com>
>
>OK...
>
>Koolmat is intended as a FIRE BARRIER. It is intended to be
>installed on the engine side firewall. Ask all the NASCAR
>drivers who experienced catastropic engine fires last year
>how it worked, it's standard equipment. If you have a
>problem with inspecting your firewall, don't use it. I have
>it on mine, it is held by a perimeter bead of red RTV. I
>can peel it off without much trouble, I have done it once
>already. If you want to bat around the inspection of the
>firewall issue then fine, I can pull my stainless steel
>heat valves off, loosen my eyeball cable guides, remove my
>firewall mounted electrial connectors and see my firewall
>in about an hours worth of work. BUT....if I prang a
>landing, the last thing I'm worrying about is the firewall.
>The firewall is really not a structural piece. The
>weldments and adjoining structural members are the parts
>that will absorb the impact and show signs of STRUCTURAL
>failure. Yes the firewall will wrinkle, but get on your
>back, scoot your a!
> ss under the panel and see what is really bent. Most of us
>elected to use the koolmat to prevent heat buldup in the
>tunnel. It is a fiberglass mat with a pure silicone finish.
>It is NOT a insulator...it is intended to keep FLAMES from
>breaching the firewall. So screw your indifference. Rob has
>spelled it out..read the spec sheet on the stuff and decide
>if you want it or not...Look at a tube and frame aircraft,
>the firewall only is intended to keep flames away from the
>cockpit...not provide structural integrity. I'm off the
>soap box...
>
>Risk Sked
>40185
>Koolmat user
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
Hi
Thanks for the heads up. I plant to use RTV *sparingly*. I just couldn't
bring myself to use something called "gorilla snot". My daughter would never
let me hear the end of it..
Cheers
Les
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
nicholscatoauto@aol.com
Sent: February-15-08 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Les
A word of caution when using the 3M yellow. If you use it you will have a
very tough time to remove the Koolmat for inspection. It is a contact cement
made for installing automotive weather stripping. It will make your
installation permanent. Good stuff though for gluing together non similar
items. I think for inspection purposes the silicone bead will work much
better.
Just a thought
Jeff Nichols
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:55 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Lew
When I spoke to Patty at Koolmat today she suggested using a product called
"gorilla snot" (I kid you not) to secure the Koolmat. She said it was also
called "3M Yellow" so I think this is it:
http://www.3mestore.com/62214006090.html?WT.mc_id=3M-com-AtoZ-Super-Weathers
trip-Adhesive
She also mentioned that you must use a silicone based adhesive to join
sheets.
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
C-GCWZ (reserved)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: February-14-08 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Hey Guys,
We're not this far yet, but very interested in the discussion. If removable
insulation is desirable, is there a velcro product that could be used here?
Later, - Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Koolmat Installation |
An alternative. When in doubt push the fire handle.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kilopapa@antelecom.net
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
Maybe you could place a scrap of Koolmat on your keyboard before you
type....
Kevin
40494
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Koolmat Installation
><ricksked@embarqmail.com>
>
>OK...
>
>Koolmat is intended as a FIRE BARRIER. It is intended to be installed
>on the engine side firewall. Ask all the NASCAR drivers who experienced
>catastropic engine fires last year how it worked, it's standard
>equipment. If you have a problem with inspecting your firewall, don't
>use it. I have it on mine, it is held by a perimeter bead of red RTV. I
>can peel it off without much trouble, I have done it once already. If
>you want to bat around the inspection of the firewall issue then fine,
>I can pull my stainless steel heat valves off, loosen my eyeball cable
>guides, remove my firewall mounted electrial connectors and see my
>firewall in about an hours worth of work. BUT....if I prang a landing,
>the last thing I'm worrying about is the firewall.
>The firewall is really not a structural piece. The weldments and
>adjoining structural members are the parts that will absorb the impact
>and show signs of STRUCTURAL failure. Yes the firewall will wrinkle,
>but get on your back, scoot your a!
> ss under the panel and see what is really bent. Most of us elected to
>use the koolmat to prevent heat buldup in the tunnel. It is a
>fiberglass mat with a pure silicone finish.
>It is NOT a insulator...it is intended to keep FLAMES from breaching
>the firewall. So screw your indifference. Rob has spelled it out..read
>the spec sheet on the stuff and decide if you want it or not...Look at
>a tube and frame aircraft, the firewall only is intended to keep flames
>away from the cockpit...not provide structural integrity. I'm off the
>soap box...
>
>Risk Sked
>40185
>Koolmat user
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| Subject: | New service letter on RV10 |
Just received a new service letter, in the mail, on the door warning switch
es shipped after August 2006. Here is a link to it on Van's site:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/letters/10_door_latch_switches.pdf
Vern Smith (#324)
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