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1. 07:43 AM - Is the electric airplane coming? (johngoodman)
2. 08:15 AM - Re: New service letter on RV10 (Marcus Cooper)
3. 08:22 AM - Interior (Marcus Cooper)
4. 08:32 AM - Re: Is the electric airplane coming? (Andy Turner)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: Interior (Bill Schlatterer)
6. 11:05 AM - Re: Interior (Rene)
7. 11:33 AM - Re: Interior (FLAGSTONE)
8. 11:47 AM - Re: Is the electric airplane coming? (James Hein)
9. 03:23 PM - Re: Interior (Marcus Cooper)
10. 04:31 PM - Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting (Lew Gallagher)
11. 05:40 PM - Re: New service letter on RV10 (orchidman)
12. 06:26 PM - Re: Interior (linn Walters)
13. 07:33 PM - Interior (Rene)
14. 07:48 PM - Emailing: P0002847, P0002848, P0002849, P0002832, P0002834, P0002837, P0002841, P0002847 (1) (David McNeill)
15. 08:53 PM - Re: Interior (Les Kearney)
16. 08:59 PM - Re: Interior (Vernon Smith)
17. 09:10 PM - Re: Interior (Rene)
18. 09:13 PM - Re: Interior (Rene)
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| Subject: | Is the electric airplane coming? |
Noticed some articles in Automobile Magazine and Motortrend recently about the
new Tesla Roadster. It doesn't take much imagination to see what it could mean
for airplanes. For instance:
The Tesla has a curb weight of 2690 pounds, an RV-10 is 2700 pounds.
The Tesla has 248 hp and the Lycoming gives about 260 hp.
Motortrend describes the electric motor as "watermelon-sized".
The lithium power cells (all 6831 of them) are supposedly similar to laptop batteries
with a proprietary arrangement, and Tesla claims they will last 5 years
still yielding 70% of their power. They are selling the car for $98+, so the
drive train is definitely affordable by RV-10 standards. By the time you need
replacements, the Lithium-Titanate ones should be available & cheap.
The current Electric Drag Car champion uses Li-Titanates and has a modified arc
welder he uses for quick recharges at the track.
Fire away....
John
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| Subject: | New service letter on RV10 |
As another double check I found you can easily feel the rod as you latch the
door by reaching back from the front seat. It still works after I installed
the interior from flightline interiors. Folks in the back seat that fly
with you regularly can also see it very easily if you trust them. It good
push to confirm closed is my last line of defense.
Marcus
40286
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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: New service letter on RV10
Just received a new service letter, in the mail, on the door warning
switches shipped after August 2006. Here is a link to it on Van's site:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/letters/10_door_latch_switches.pdf
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This won't be news to many, but I just installed my interior provided by
Abbey at Flightline interiors and it is fantastic. A lot of little details
that really impressed me and the fit was spot on. Not too painful to
install thanks to the good fit.
One recommendation I have is if you choose to install soundproofing in the
inside of the firewall, do it as early in the construction process as
possible, that was the only real pain as I decided to combine the efforts.
The headliner would certainly be easier to install with the top upside down
before installation, but to be honest it wasn't bad at all using the
recommended 3M trim adhesive (spray contact cement) and probably avoids
other issues like interfering with installing the windows by waiting until
later.
The sound difference is amazing and makes an already very comfortable
airplane even more pleasant to fly.
I'm just glad the airplane is finally finished!!!! Of course there are
still a number of things to improve on so we have really just gotten to a
different phase of the never ending construction process, oh well.
Marcus
40286
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| Subject: | Re: Is the electric airplane coming? |
The folks at Sonex have been working hard on an electric powerplant. There was a good writeup recently in "Sport Aviation", here is a press release: http://www.sonexaircraft.com/press/releases/pr_072407.html
Promising concept, they still have a long ways to go with the storage issues.
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What did you use under the interior for soundproofing? Did you spray the
contact cement over the full surface? Pictures ?
Thanks
Bill S
7a Ark
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Interior
This won't be news to many, but I just installed my interior provided by
Abbey at Flightline interiors and it is fantastic. A lot of little details
that really impressed me and the fit was spot on. Not too painful to
install thanks to the good fit.
One recommendation I have is if you choose to install soundproofing in the
inside of the firewall, do it as early in the construction process as
possible, that was the only real pain as I decided to combine the efforts.
The headliner would certainly be easier to install with the top upside down
before installation, but to be honest it wasn't bad at all using the
recommended 3M trim adhesive (spray contact cement) and probably avoids
other issues like interfering with installing the windows by waiting until
later.
The sound difference is amazing and makes an already very comfortable
airplane even more pleasant to fly.
I'm just glad the airplane is finally finished!!!! Of course there are
still a number of things to improve on so we have really just gotten to a
different phase of the never ending construction process, oh well.
Marcus
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I just have to second the "fantastic" about Abbey's great work. I just
finished the install yesterday and it was great. I still have lot of
work
on my end to do...build overhead, but Abbey's kit was great...
Rene'
40322
N423CF
Inspection done, flight training and first flight soon...
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Interior
This won't be news to many, but I just installed my interior provided by
Abbey at Flightline interiors and it is fantastic. A lot of little
details
that really impressed me and the fit was spot on. Not too painful to
install thanks to the good fit.
One recommendation I have is if you choose to install soundproofing in
the
inside of the firewall, do it as early in the construction process as
possible, that was the only real pain as I decided to combine the
efforts.
The headliner would certainly be easier to install with the top upside
down
before installation, but to be honest it wasn't bad at all using the
recommended 3M trim adhesive (spray contact cement) and probably avoids
other issues like interfering with installing the windows by waiting
until
later.
The sound difference is amazing and makes an already very comfortable
airplane even more pleasant to fly.
I'm just glad the airplane is finally finished!!!! Of course there are
still a number of things to improve on so we have really just gotten to
a
different phase of the never ending construction process, oh well.
Marcus
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Hi:
Along the subject of interiors, can someone go through the issues
involved in doing your own interior as the specs of the materials to be
used, fireproofing that sort of thing. Is there any reference material
or websites that cover the issues.
Thanks
Mark
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From: Rene
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior
I just have to second the "fantastic" about Abbey's great work. I
just finished the install yesterday and it was great. I still have lot
of work on my end to do...build overhead, but Abbey's kit was great...
Rene'
40322
N423CF
Inspection done, flight training and first flight soon...
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:16 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Interior
This won't be news to many, but I just installed my interior provided
by Abbey at Flightline interiors and it is fantastic. A lot of little
details that really impressed me and the fit was spot on. Not too
painful to install thanks to the good fit.
One recommendation I have is if you choose to install soundproofing in
the inside of the firewall, do it as early in the construction process
as possible, that was the only real pain as I decided to combine the
efforts.
The headliner would certainly be easier to install with the top upside
down before installation, but to be honest it wasn't bad at all using
the recommended 3M trim adhesive (spray contact cement) and probably
avoids other issues like interfering with installing the windows by
waiting until later.
The sound difference is amazing and makes an already very comfortable
airplane even more pleasant to fly.
I'm just glad the airplane is finally finished!!!! Of course there
are still a number of things to improve on so we have really just gotten
to a different phase of the never ending construction process, oh well.
Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: Is the electric airplane coming? |
>Fire away....
Nah, Don't have to... Lithium batteries, when contaminated or not
properly cared for, can do that on their own :)
(Lithium Polymer batteries can ignite when you look at them wrong! )
The Chevy Volt had an issue with the LG batteries; Chevy called it a
"Thermal Event". They switched to A123 batteries and haven't had a
problem since.
-Jim 40384, Why yes, I am an Electronic Engineer!
johngoodman wrote:
>
>Noticed some articles in Automobile Magazine and Motortrend recently about the
new Tesla Roadster. It doesn't take much imagination to see what it could mean
for airplanes. For instance:
>
>The Tesla has a curb weight of 2690 pounds, an RV-10 is 2700 pounds.
>
>The Tesla has 248 hp and the Lycoming gives about 260 hp.
>
>Motortrend describes the electric motor as "watermelon-sized".
>
>The lithium power cells (all 6831 of them) are supposedly similar to laptop batteries
with a proprietary arrangement, and Tesla claims they will last 5 years
still yielding 70% of their power. They are selling the car for $98+, so the
drive train is definitely affordable by RV-10 standards. By the time you need
replacements, the Lithium-Titanate ones should be available & cheap.
>
>The current Electric Drag Car champion uses Li-Titanates and has a modified arc
welder he uses for quick recharges at the track.
>
>Fire away....
>
>John
>
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>N711JG reserved
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164410#164410
>
>
>
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I'll work on getting some pictures, somehow I've managed to forget doing
that part.
As for the soundproofing, I opted for the material Flightline interior sells
and it seems to work very well.
On the headliner, I sprayed the contact cement about 2 feet wide and
completely front to back on the aft part of the cabin top and on a similar
area of the fabric. It stuck great and then I just sprayed the rest of the
area on each side and spread out the fabric. The only part I'm not real
keen on was they sent some 3/8"-ish foam that is to go over the rivets to
let the fabric lay nicer. It mostly causes a bulged area above the
longerons so I'd give that process some more thought before doing it again.
I suspect you could leave it out altogether without the rivets being too
apparent.
For the forward part of the cabin (above the front seats) I took some foam
board from the craft store (about 3/16 thick with poster board on each side)
and made a form that fit between all the moldings. Then wrapped that with
the fabric and glued it to the roof. It actually was very easy and turned
out pretty nice.
Marcus
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schlatterer
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior
What did you use under the interior for soundproofing? Did you spray the
contact cement over the full surface? Pictures ?
Thanks
Bill S
7a Ark
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Interior
This won't be news to many, but I just installed my interior provided by
Abbey at Flightline interiors and it is fantastic. A lot of little details
that really impressed me and the fit was spot on. Not too painful to
install thanks to the good fit.
One recommendation I have is if you choose to install soundproofing in the
inside of the firewall, do it as early in the construction process as
possible, that was the only real pain as I decided to combine the efforts.
The headliner would certainly be easier to install with the top upside down
before installation, but to be honest it wasn't bad at all using the
recommended 3M trim adhesive (spray contact cement) and probably avoids
other issues like interfering with installing the windows by waiting until
later.
The sound difference is amazing and makes an already very comfortable
airplane even more pleasant to fly.
I'm just glad the airplane is finally finished!!!! Of course there are
still a number of things to improve on so we have really just gotten to a
different phase of the never ending construction process, oh well.
Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting |
OK Jack, I took my digital postage scales over and weighed the Blazer console --
4 lbs. 4 oz. That's as is, probably could be stripped down some. I'll attach
a couple of pictures.
Here's a comment I think is worth sharing from Paul:
"Hi Lew,
We have the overhead console you describe and I was very excited by the prospects
of outside air temp display but my bubble was burst. It seems you also
need the vehicle ECU to handle the input from the RTD probe and the output to
the overhead display. I learned a lot about it by searching the web. I still really
like the console, though. I swapped out the resistive filament bulbs with
LED's and have the current draw down to less than .1 amps.
Paul Hahn
#40203"
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| Subject: | Re: New service letter on RV10 |
My kit was shipped September 2007 and all 4 are the bad ones. [Crying or Very
sad] Looks like they will be swapping out a bunch of them.
Glad they announced it now as it will be another month or more before I will be
needing them.
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RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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Marcus Cooper wrote:
> I'm just glad the airplane is finally finished!!!!
>
Finished??? Are you talking about a homebuilt??? Congratulations!!!
You own the FIRST ONE!!!!! :-D
> Of course there are still a number of things to improve on so we have
> really just gotten to a different phase of the never ending
> construction process, oh well.
>
Ah well, that's better ..... it really isn't finished, is it??? :-[
Linn
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Here are some pictures of my seats and belts...starting to look like a
flying machine. I plan on finishing the rest of the interior after I am
flying.
Rene'
40322
N423CF..almost finished
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Emailing: P0002847, P0002848, P0002849, P0002832, P0002834, |
P0002837, P0002841, P0002847 (1)
Just received these pictres from Rene of the inertial belt installation in
his aircraft. I reduced the size to accomodate the dial up users.
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Hi Rene
I am envious. It must be great to be so close to being in the air.
Who provided your interior? I noticed that the windows had a very clean
looking trim ring. Do you have any other pictures of the windows showing
more detail of the trim?
Thanks
Les Kearney
#40643
CG_CWZ (reserved)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: February-16-08 8:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Interior
Here are some pictures of my seats and belts...starting to look like a
flying machine. I plan on finishing the rest of the interior after I am
flying.
Rene'
40322
N423CF..almost finished
801-721-6080
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Wow Rene', assigned seating! I guess that should end any arguments on who r
ides shotgun;) Vern Smith (#324)
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From: rene@felker.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Interio
rDate: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:27:22 -0700
Here are some pictures of my seats and belts=85=85=85starting to look like
a flying machine. I plan on finishing the rest of the interior after I am
flying.
Rene'
40322
N423CF=85.almost finished
801-721-6080
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I don't have any other pictures. I got my interior form Abbey
(Flightline ,
http://www.flightlineinteriors.com/). She sells the trim in 10 foot
sections, it is just glued on with contract cement. She has other
options,
some not on her web site, that really help to "finish" the interior. I
also
got stick covers and center pieces for the back seats.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior
Hi Rene
I am envious. It must be great to be so close to being in the air.
Who provided your interior? I noticed that the windows had a very clean
looking trim ring. Do you have any other pictures of the windows showing
more detail of the trim?
Thanks
Les Kearney
#40643
CG_CWZ (reserved)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: February-16-08 8:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Interior
Here are some pictures of my seats and belts...starting to look like a
flying machine. I plan on finishing the rest of the interior after I am
flying.
Rene'
40322
N423CF..almost finished
801-721-6080
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No fighting over seats. It also helps with the idea that this is a long
term investment....who would want to buy an airplane with someone else's
name on it..
Rene'
801-721-6080
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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior
Wow Rene', assigned seating! I guess that should end any arguments on who
rides shotgun;)
Vern Smith (#324)
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From: rene@felker.com
Subject: RV10-List: Interior
Here are some pictures of my seats and belts...starting to look like a
flying machine. I plan on finishing the rest of the interior after I am
flying.
Rene'
40322
N423CF..almost finished
801-721-6080
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