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1. 04:25 AM - Re: LOE - Land of Enchantment Fly-In (5T6) - Dona Ana Count y, Santa Teresa, NM (Russell Daves)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting (Phillips, Jack)
3. 12:06 PM - fuel pump assembly (John Gonzalez)
4. 12:28 PM - Re: fuel pump assembly (Tim Olson)
5. 12:30 PM - Re: fuel pump assembly (Jesse Saint)
6. 01:19 PM - RV-10 Wing Spar question (Bob Leffler)
7. 02:12 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (Pascal)
8. 02:18 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (Rick Sked)
9. 02:38 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (Deems Davis)
10. 02:49 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com)
11. 03:35 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (Pascal)
12. 05:02 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (Bob Leffler)
13. 05:02 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (Bob Leffler)
14. 06:24 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (Rick Sked)
15. 08:19 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question (Pascal)
16. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: V Speeds (Pascal)
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| Subject: | Re: LOE - Land of Enchantment Fly-In (5T6) - Dona Ana Count |
y, Santa Teresa, NM
LOE 2008 will most likely be the first weekend in October.
Russ Daves
N710RV - Flying RV-10
N65RV - Sold RV-6A
N_____?? - RV-7 waiting on QB Fuselage
Check out the following posts from VAFWWW:
According to the latest posting to www.swrfi.com , the "powers that be"
have moved the SWRFI to the second weekend of October, starting in 2008.
__________________
Mike Reddick
VAF#153
RV6A N167CW 600+ HRS
Ft Worth, TX (T67)
Stan Shannon (SWRFI) emailed me about the new dates a couple of weeks
back asking for input. I gave him Red Marron and Larry Vetterman's
contact info (the two guys that have historically chosen the LOE date)
and asked him to contact them.
Although I'm not certain he did call, I would assume that Red and Larry
would not chose to have LOE on the same weekend as SWRFI. I'm certain
Stan knows that if he has SWRFI and LOE competing it will really eat
into the RV attendance at his event.
The beauty of LOE is its mobility, so I'm pretty sure there will not be
a conflict.
Best,
Doug
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Doug Reeves
Owner: Delta Romeo, LLC.
I talked with Larry V and Red both and was told LOE was the first
weekend
in Oct.--therefore we chose the second weekend even though we wanted the
first weekend. We do not want to conflict with this great event.
Stan Shannon
CEO-EAA TEXAS
RV-6, RV-9, Rv-9a
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| Subject: | Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting |
Thanks, Lew. I'm interested in the console, but am making every effort
to keep the weight down to enhance performance and fuel economy. My
RV-4 is an old one, and very light with an empty weight of less than 920
lbs. Even with only 150 hp, I can run off and leave most 180 hp RV-4's
because they weigh so much more. That has convinced me of the
importance of not adding any weight that it not absolutely essential to
flight safety.
As Bill Stout (designer of the Ford Trimotor) said when asked the secret
of good aircraft design, "Simplicate, and add Lightness".
Jack Phillips
#40610
Trying to keep it light
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AA Overhead console retrofitting
OK Jack, I took my digital postage scales over and weighed the Blazer
console -- 4 lbs. 4 oz. That's as is, probably could be stripped down
some. I'll attach a couple of pictures.
Here's a comment I think is worth sharing from Paul:
"Hi Lew,
We have the overhead console you describe and I was very excited by
the prospects of outside air temp display but my bubble was burst. It
seems you also need the vehicle ECU to handle the input from the RTD
probe and the output to the overhead display. I learned a lot about it
by searching the web. I still really like the console, though. I swapped
out the resistive filament bulbs with LED's and have the current draw
down to less than .1 amps.
Paul Hahn
#40203"
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| Subject: | fuel pump assembly |
I am finally taking delivery of my finishing kit. I reviewed the packing li
st and do not see the fuel pump, one way valves, etc in the list. Is there
a sub kit to order for these items or is there a place on Van's eb site tha
t offers these items. I see it for the 7 and 8, but not the 10 on their web
site.
Thanks,
JOhn G. 409
Do NOt Archive
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| Subject: | Re: fuel pump assembly |
Go to the page on the plans, and they actually list the part numbers
there.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
> I am finally taking delivery of my finishing kit. I reviewed the packing
> list and do not see the fuel pump, one way valves, etc in the list. Is
> there a sub kit to order for these items or is there a place on Van's eb
> site that offers these items. I see it for the 7 and 8, but not the 10
> on their web site.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JOhn G. 409
>
> Do NOt Archive
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| Subject: | Re: fuel pump assembly |
You have to order the Fuel Pump and Filter separately. The plans will
say this when you get to that point. I think the Van's part numbers
are "ES AIRFLOW FUEL PUMP" and "ES AIRFLOW FILTER". You should be
able to buy them from the webstore. The fuel pump, by the way, is the
whole assembly including bypass and check valves and stuff like that.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:01 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> I am finally taking delivery of my finishing kit. I reviewed the
> packing list and do not see the fuel pump, one way valves, etc in
> the list. Is there a sub kit to order for these items or is there a
> place on Van's eb site that offers these items. I see it for the 7
> and 8, but not the 10 on their web site.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JOhn G. 409
>
> Do NOt Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Wing Spar question |
I just started my wing kit today. When I started to cleco the spar
extensions to the spar, I noticed that they weren't square. The last 24% or
so of the spar width, the joint starts to get larger to the point there is
about an 1/8" gap and the end isn't too well aligned.
I've attached pictures for reference.
Should I be concerned?
I've copied Van's Support on this as well, but they are closed for
President's Day and was hoping to get some other opinions on the subject.
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question |
Mine have a slight gap but nothing like yours.. there is a 1/16 gap but
it's consistent along the whole way, not like yours that appear to be
crooked.
Pascal
470
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Leffler
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
I just started my wing kit today. When I started to cleco the spar
extensions to the spar, I noticed that they weren't square. The last
24% or so of the spar width, the joint starts to get larger to the point
there is about an 1/8" gap and the end isn't too well aligned.
I've attached pictures for reference.
Should I be concerned?
I've copied Van's Support on this as well, but they are closed for
President's Day and was hoping to get some other opinions on the
subject.
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question |
Bob,
Mine was similar..cleco the skins to the spar and see how it lines up. If I
recall it was not an issue after the skins were put on with clecos..everyt
hing lined up all right.
Rick Sked
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:14:18 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
I just started my wing kit today.=C2-=C2- When I started to cleco the s
par extensions to the spar, I noticed that they weren=99t square.=C2
- The last 24% or so of the spar width, the joint starts to get larger to
the point there is about an 1/8=9D gap and the end isn=99t too
well aligned.
I=99ve attached pictures for reference.
Should I be concerned?
I=99ve copied Van=99s Support on this as well, but they are clo
sed for President=99s Day and was hoping to get some other opinions o
n the subject.
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question |
Bob, it's a little hard to tell from the pictures, but from what I can
see the problem appears to be with the bend/radius on the extensions.
If they were bent improperly there will be a difference in the
alignment of the holes that are drilled/punched into the spar caps for
attachment of the wing skins. When you look at the holes in the main
spar caps and lay a straight edge through the center of them, does it
contact/overlay the holes in the extensions at precisely the same place?
>From the pic it looks like there may be a slight misallignment.
I'm not sure what to make of the gap that Pascal noted between the main
spar and the extension, I'm not sure how much of the load is carried by
having the pieces butted flush versus through the doublers. Here's a
link to what mine looked like at the time.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2013%20Main%20Spar/slides/DSC01318.html
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> was hoping to get some other opinions on the subject.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> #40684
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question |
BOB
CHECKED MY SO-BUILD WING S I DID MONTHS AGO, MINE ARR PERFICT AND SQUARE,
NO GAPS OR SPACES. SUGGEST GIVING VANS SUPPORT A CALL AND SEND PHOTOS TO
DAVE LUDD
NJ #40466
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question |
I concur, my attachment piece looks the same as yours Deems.
I forget if the placement of the doublers plays a piece in the alignment as
well. Have you tried moving the doublers around and seeing if they fit any
better?
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
>
> Bob, it's a little hard to tell from the pictures, but from what I can see
> the problem appears to be with the bend/radius on the extensions. If they
> were bent improperly there will be a difference in the alignment of the
> holes that are drilled/punched into the spar caps for attachment of the
> wing skins. When you look at the holes in the main spar caps and lay a
> straight edge through the center of them, does it contact/overlay the
> holes in the extensions at precisely the same place?
>>From the pic it looks like there may be a slight misallignment.
>
> I'm not sure what to make of the gap that Pascal noted between the main
> spar and the extension, I'm not sure how much of the load is carried by
> having the pieces butted flush versus through the doublers. Here's a link
> to what mine looked like at the time.
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2013%20Main%20Spar/slides/DSC01318.html
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Bob Leffler wrote:
>>
>> was hoping to get some other opinions on the subject.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> #40684
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Wing Spar question |
There doesn't appear to be much room to play with. Once the clecos are in,
they don't move at all. I'm going back out in a few minutes to determine if
it's the spar extender or the spar itself that may not be square.
Interesting enough, the gap is on the top of one spar and the bottom of the
other, so I suspect the problem is with the extenders since they are
identical parts.
It will be interesting to see what Van's say tomorrow when they open.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
I concur, my attachment piece looks the same as yours Deems.
I forget if the placement of the doublers plays a piece in the alignment as
well. Have you tried moving the doublers around and seeing if they fit any
better?
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
>
> Bob, it's a little hard to tell from the pictures, but from what I can see
> the problem appears to be with the bend/radius on the extensions. If they
> were bent improperly there will be a difference in the alignment of the
> holes that are drilled/punched into the spar caps for attachment of the
> wing skins. When you look at the holes in the main spar caps and lay a
> straight edge through the center of them, does it contact/overlay the
> holes in the extensions at precisely the same place?
>>From the pic it looks like there may be a slight misallignment.
>
> I'm not sure what to make of the gap that Pascal noted between the main
> spar and the extension, I'm not sure how much of the load is carried by
> having the pieces butted flush versus through the doublers. Here's a link
> to what mine looked like at the time.
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2013%20Main%20Spar/slides/DSC01318.html
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Bob Leffler wrote:
>>
>> was hoping to get some other opinions on the subject.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> #40684
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Wing Spar question |
There doesn't appear to be much room to play with. Once the clecos are in,
they don't move at all. I'm going back out in a few minutes to determine if
it's the spar extender or the spar itself that may not be square.
Interesting enough, the gap is on the top of one spar and the bottom of the
other, so I suspect the problem is with the extenders since they are
identical parts.
It will be interesting to see what Van's say tomorrow when they open.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
I concur, my attachment piece looks the same as yours Deems.
I forget if the placement of the doublers plays a piece in the alignment as
well. Have you tried moving the doublers around and seeing if they fit any
better?
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
>
> Bob, it's a little hard to tell from the pictures, but from what I can see
> the problem appears to be with the bend/radius on the extensions. If they
> were bent improperly there will be a difference in the alignment of the
> holes that are drilled/punched into the spar caps for attachment of the
> wing skins. When you look at the holes in the main spar caps and lay a
> straight edge through the center of them, does it contact/overlay the
> holes in the extensions at precisely the same place?
>>From the pic it looks like there may be a slight misallignment.
>
> I'm not sure what to make of the gap that Pascal noted between the main
> spar and the extension, I'm not sure how much of the load is carried by
> having the pieces butted flush versus through the doublers. Here's a link
> to what mine looked like at the time.
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2013%20Main%20Spar/slides/DSC01318.html
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> Bob Leffler wrote:
>>
>> was hoping to get some other opinions on the subject.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> #40684
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question |
Dave,
Where are you located?...I see NJ on your signature.
----- Original Message -----
From: DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:44:44 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
BOB
=C2-=C2- CHECKED MY SO-BUILD WING=C2-S I DID MONTHS AGO, MINE ARR PER
FICT AND SQUARE, NO GAPS OR SPACES. SUGGEST GIVING VANS SUPPORT A CALL AND
SEND PHOTOS TO
DAVE LUDD
NJ #40466=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Spar question |
"I suspect the problem is with the extenders since they are identical parts"
By "identical" I assume you know there is a specific 1006E-L and a 1006E-R
extender right?
As long as the "extra hole" is in the right place on the outside bottom of
both extenders you have the correct orientation. Just seems odd that there
is the bottom and top gaps, makes me wonder what would happen if your
switched them.
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
>
> There doesn't appear to be much room to play with. Once the clecos are
> in,
> they don't move at all. I'm going back out in a few minutes to determine
> if
> it's the spar extender or the spar itself that may not be square.
>
> Interesting enough, the gap is on the top of one spar and the bottom of
> the
> other, so I suspect the problem is with the extenders since they are
> identical parts.
>
> It will be interesting to see what Van's say tomorrow when they open.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
>
>
> I concur, my attachment piece looks the same as yours Deems.
> I forget if the placement of the doublers plays a piece in the alignment
> as
> well. Have you tried moving the doublers around and seeing if they fit any
> better?
> Pascal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Spar question
>
>
>>
>> Bob, it's a little hard to tell from the pictures, but from what I can
>> see
>
>> the problem appears to be with the bend/radius on the extensions. If
>> they
>
>> were bent improperly there will be a difference in the alignment of the
>> holes that are drilled/punched into the spar caps for attachment of the
>> wing skins. When you look at the holes in the main spar caps and lay a
>> straight edge through the center of them, does it contact/overlay the
>> holes in the extensions at precisely the same place?
>>>From the pic it looks like there may be a slight misallignment.
>>
>> I'm not sure what to make of the gap that Pascal noted between the main
>> spar and the extension, I'm not sure how much of the load is carried by
>> having the pieces butted flush versus through the doublers. Here's a
>> link
>
>> to what mine looked like at the time.
>> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2013%20Main%20Spar/slides/DSC01318.html
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>> Bob Leffler wrote:
>>>
>>> was hoping to get some other opinions on the subject.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> #40684
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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To each their own, but I agree with you Steve, my goal during those first
few hours with the plane will not be to do sight seeing but to verify if
Van's numbers match mine. I'll do some stalls with and without flaps and get
the basic information, if they match Van's numbers.. than by gee whiz I'll
take their VNE numbers for what they are.. I am mostly concerned with the
speeds I'll be using for landing and cruising, VNE is not something I care
to "test" and Van's already did all that for me. If my numbers dont match,
well than I'll work that out during the remaining test flights..
Pascal
RV-10 future test pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: V Speeds
>
> I agree you don't want to exceed the design envelope for the plane, but it
> seems to me you need to verify the V speeds you can during phase 1. If you
> are afraid to test up to design Vne, your Vne should be set at the fastest
> speed you are willing to test. Maybe I'm just weird, but to me phase 1 is
> a test period, not a "flyoff", so explore the whole flight envelope before
> you start filling up the other seats.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164198#164198
>
>
>
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