RV10-List Digest Archive

Thu 02/21/08


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 09:14 AM - Re: New Super Cool Mods! - was Moving Day (Chris Johnston)
     2. 09:33 AM - Re :hot tunnel issue (Rick Barnes)
     3. 11:38 AM - inner tubes (lbgjb10)
     4. 11:59 AM - Re: inner tubes (Gerry Filby)
     5. 12:17 PM - Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules (John W. Cox)
     6. 12:21 PM - Re: inner tubes (Scott Schmidt)
     7. 12:51 PM - Re: inner tubes (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
     8. 12:56 PM - Re: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules (Gerry Filby)
     9. 01:04 PM - Re: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
    10. 01:05 PM - Perihelion dimmers (jayb)
    11. 01:30 PM - pnuematic rivet squeezer (jayb)
    12. 01:42 PM - Re: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules (John W. Cox)
    13. 02:21 PM - battery master question (Ben Westfall)
    14. 02:40 PM - Re: battery master question (Jesse Saint)
    15. 02:40 PM - Re: battery master question (Vernon Smith)
    16. 02:46 PM - Re: battery master question (Rick Sked)
    17. 03:09 PM - Re: battery master question (Jeff Carpenter)
    18. 03:44 PM - Re: Perihelion dimmers (Neal George)
    19. 05:25 PM - Re: Oil Canning and Santa's gift (johngoodman)
    20. 05:48 PM - Re: Perihelion dimmers (RV10 4JF)
    21. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Oil Canning and Santa's gift (John Gonzalez)
    22. 07:58 PM - WRECKED A340-600 at TULOUSE FRANCE 11-07 (David McNeill)
    23. 10:01 PM - Filling tanks (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:14:25 AM PST US
    Subject: New Super Cool Mods! - was Moving Day
    From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
    Umm... I like super cool neato mods and stuff. :) I'm willing and able to noodle around with something new! Do tell! Dang Deems, you're hogging all the new cool stuff! And no worries about expert scrutiny from me! cj (no expert) www.perfectlygoodairplane.net finishing/firewall forward/all sorts of stuff do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Moving Day Hey wait ! I resemble that remark! :-D Funny thing, I've been on the phone and e-mail for the last couple of days with people who are working on 2 mods that I think every RV-10 builder will want. (I know I want them) Both of the designer/builders monitor this forum, but are a little shy about throwing their creations open to the scrutiny of this expert group. (They figured I was an easy and low risk mark :-P ). Actually I'm hoping that this e-mail might put some additional pressure on them :-X . And sniff them out. *_I PROMISE_* these will be the last two mods I make before the plane flies ! (I've got one more that's in the works, but that one is Major and will remain 'cloaked' until it's ready ) ---- don't you just LOVE the drama !!!!!! Gary, your bird looks terrific, I'm counting on you to shake out the OP systems. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Neal George wrote: > Careful, Gary. > > You'll give Deems ideas for more mods... > > * > *


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    Time: 09:33:46 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Barnes" <rickbarnes@highlanddental.com>
    Subject: Re :hot tunnel issue
    Just for your info. I say a TV news segment on a company that makes a light weight product that acts as a heat barrier. It looks like it might work on the firewall and in the tunnel. http://www.chapmaninnovations.com/ Rick


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    Time: 11:38:17 AM PST US
    Subject: inner tubes
    From: "lbgjb10" <lbgjb@gnt.net>
    I want to order 'leak proof' inner tubes for 10. Vans says nose wheel is 500x5-6. do i get 500-5 inner tube??? I don't see any 500-6. main gear is 15x 600-6. I assume that is different from a standard 600-6?? anyone have experience with the different 'leak' proof brands. michelin quite a bit more expensive. thanks. lbb Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165434#165434


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    Time: 11:59:00 AM PST US
    From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com>
    Subject: inner tubes
    When it came to replace the tires on my 9 I changed to Michelin Airstop tubes at the same time, the originals Vans supplied leaked live sieves. I'd heard good things about Airstop tubes and I haven't been dissapointed - after 4 months and many, many landings I recently checked the pressure and they had barely lost 1 psi in 28. g -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lbgjb10 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: RV10-List: inner tubes I want to order 'leak proof' inner tubes for 10. Vans says nose wheel is 500x5-6. do i get 500-5 inner tube??? I don't see any 500-6. main gear is 15x 600-6. I assume that is different from a standard 600-6?? anyone have experience with the different 'leak' proof brands. michelin quite a bit more expensive. thanks. lbb Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165434#165434


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    Time: 12:17:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    I have invested the last five years (Full Time) in my passion for kit built aircraft. It was with deep personal interest I watched as Dr. Carl Cadwell completed with a handful of close personal friends the first evolutionary Epic kit built aircraft requiring it be done only at the kit factory in Bend, OR. Competitive forces led to the FAA and EAA triggering discussions and deep research on the archaic 51% rules. Many have strong opinions on this sensitive subject. I posed to Dick VanGrunsven his feelings at what was coming at our Pacific NW RV-10 Christmas Dinner (held at kit builder #40001 Dan and Sun Benua's home and with their gracious support). Dick seemed realistic as to the State of the Kit Building Economy. Enclosed as an attachment to this post is The FINAL FAA Document which is flowing towards an NPRM - Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. Your participation is critical. As I read the article, I concluded that the committee did a remarkable job at identification of the various problems and gives a hint at what will be required to correct the aberrations. I became more confident towards the end that the health of the industry for Individuals building their own aircraft for Education and Enjoyment is protected. I also concluded that the A & P mechanics who mass produce aircraft for sale and those untrained individuals with Business storefronts who repetitively construct packaged finished product to order, so that the guy or gal with the big checkbook can falsify their 51% completion of build tasks, is Near. This morning, It was with a heavy heart that I listened to the final TRACON minutes and seconds of an aircraft, whose owner, flying a Certified Aircraft (and the media made careful effort to try and label it as a Kit built) did not successfully complete his landing at PDX on Saturday Morning's dense fog. We had lost another (Kit built) 40 miles south, just seven days prior. There are lots of people who can buy the product who do not acquire the needed skill or maintain the proficiency to fly in our environment. Those who remain pilots pay the insurance premiums of those who came and left before us. Last night I attended a remarkable AOPA 5 Lessons (Mistakes) Seminar held by The ASF Team. This seminar was one of the most timely, practical and inspirational I have attended in 35 years of active flying. I am ever more vigilant that our skills need to be constantly honed and updated. Our kit building industry is about to get a needed cleansing. The professional build shops will soon operate with a new set of rules which will allow them their sales and us our Owner Built and Maintained niche. It was great to see many familiar faces in the mass of several hundred pilot enthusiasts. I hope you find this attachment of interest and usefulness. Get your NPRM comments ready. <<ARC_FINAL_report.pdf>> Fly Safe, Fly Often Live Long John Cox #600


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    Time: 12:21:26 PM PST US
    From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: inner tubes
    I just recently replaced my main tires and tubes with Goodyear Flight Custom III 15/6.00-6 and Leak Guard Tubes 15/6.00-6. I'm not sure about the difference in size but there is a difference in weight capacity between a 6.00 and a 6.00-6. So far, so good on the tubes but I have only had them for one month. The tires are defiantly more beefy. I bought everything through Desser and received them very quickly. Tires and tubes is one area where I really didn't mind spending extra money. My old tires went almost 300 hours and they say the compound on the Goodyear tires are 20% more wear resistant and the rubber thickness is quite a bit more. Here is some data that Dresser posts on their site. http://www.desser.com/gy_perform.html http://www.desser.com/airtubes.html http://shop.desser.com/IW_Products.m4p.pvx?;MULTI_ITEM_SUBMIT Good luck. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: lbgjb10 <lbgjb@gnt.net> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:35:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: inner tubes --> RV10-List message posted by: "lbgjb10" <lbgjb@gnt.net> I want to order 'leak proof' inner tubes for 10. Vans says nose wheel is 500x5-6. do i get 500-5 inner tube??? I don't see any 500-6. main gear is 15x 600-6. I assume that is different from a standard 600-6?? anyone have experience with the different 'leak' proof brands. michelin quite a bit more expensive. thanks. lbb Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165434#165434 - The RV10-List Email Forum - Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much much more: --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - Same great content also available via the Web Forums! --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 12:51:19 PM PST US
    From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com
    Subject: Re: inner tubes
    In a message dated 2/21/2008 2:01:08 PM Central Standard Time, gerf@gerf.com writes: Michelin Airstop changed to airstop's 5 years ago...they are very good...not so with the Michelin tires...wore out in less than 150 hours... **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)


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    Time: 12:56:51 PM PST US
    From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com>
    Subject: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules
    I'm curious, who are the "other interested parties" alluded to in the "Introduction" ? g _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: RV10-List: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules I have invested the last five years (Full Time) in my passion for kit built aircraft. It was with deep personal interest I watched as Dr. Carl Cadwell completed with a handful of close personal friends the first evolutionary Epic kit built aircraft requiring it be done only at the kit factory in Bend, OR. Competitive forces led to the FAA and EAA triggering discussions and deep research on the archaic 51% rules. Many have strong opinions on this sensitive subject. I posed to Dick VanGrunsven his feelings at what was coming at our Pacific NW RV-10 Christmas Dinner (held at kit builder #40001 Dan and Sun Benua's home and with their gracious support). Dick seemed realistic as to the State of the Kit Building Economy. Enclosed as an attachment to this post is The FINAL FAA Document which is flowing towards an NPRM - Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. Your participation is critical. As I read the article, I concluded that the committee did a remarkable job at identification of the various problems and gives a hint at what will be required to correct the aberrations. I became more confident towards the end that the health of the industry for Individuals building their own aircraft for Education and Enjoyment is protected. I also concluded that the A & P mechanics who mass produce aircraft for sale and those untrained individuals with Business storefronts who repetitively construct packaged finished product to order, so that the guy or gal with the big checkbook can falsify their 51% completion of build tasks, is Near. This morning, It was with a heavy heart that I listened to the final TRACON minutes and seconds of an aircraft, whose owner, flying a Certified Aircraft (and the media made careful effort to try and label it as a Kit built) did not successfully complete his landing at PDX on Saturday Morning's dense fog. We had lost another (Kit built) 40 miles south, just seven days prior. There are lots of people who can buy the product who do not acquire the needed skill or maintain the proficiency to fly in our environment. Those who remain pilots pay the insurance premiums of those who came and left before us. Last night I attended a remarkable AOPA 5 Lessons (Mistakes) Seminar held by The ASF Team. This seminar was one of the most timely, practical and inspirational I have attended in 35 years of active flying. I am ever more vigilant that our skills need to be constantly honed and updated. Our kit building industry is about to get a needed cleansing. The professional build shops will soon operate with a new set of rules which will allow them their sales and us our Owner Built and Maintained niche. It was great to see many familiar faces in the mass of several hundred pilot enthusiasts. I hope you find this attachment of interest and usefulness. Get your NPRM comments ready. <<ARC_FINAL_report.pdf>> Fly Safe, Fly Often Live Long John Cox #600


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    Time: 01:04:44 PM PST US
    From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules
    Maybe people that make stuff for kits...like motors, tires, electronic equipment, etc... **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)


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    Time: 01:05:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Perihelion dimmers
    From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    Has anyone used these dimmers? http://www.periheliondesign.com/egpavr.htm * Any quirks? * It doesn't appear to be Pulse Width Modulated (a bonus) (data Sheet here: http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM317.html) * ON/OFF switch is nice * How do they fit in the very limited space provided for by the RV10 switch rail? Thanks, Jay Up to elbows in fiberglass. Planning electrical to save my sanity. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165449#165449


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    Time: 01:30:45 PM PST US
    Subject: pnuematic rivet squeezer
    From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    Before I post it on ebay... Is anyone interested in buying a gently used Avery Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer? It's in great shape. Yoke not included (still using that bad boy). Original instruction manual included. http://www.averytools.com/pc-859-13-pneumatic-rivet-squeezers--c214-style.aspx Contact me offline if you're interested. Cheers, Jay do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165456#165456


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    Time: 01:42:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    GAMA to begin, NBAA, AOPA, COPA and yes EFIS suppliers and others great and small. GAMA - General Aviation Manufacturers (Certified). But as I pointed out months ago, the cry was heard at OSH '05 that something had to be done about Rick Schrameck and his Epic creation that was threatening the perceived market share of a Florida manufacturer. The victim became Dr. Cadwell who completed the build, as he had his previous Lancair IVP, years before. He fully documented what he did. However, at the time the aircraft kit was not on the Official list. By the way, that list has been held hostage by this ARC and will also have an NPRM. There is validity in a question of Kitbuilt when it must be done only at a named factory facility. However, under the archaic rules. Dr. Cadwell did 51+% and invested more than 7 significant digits in funds. The FAA, under political pressure refused issuance of the Phase One authorization and the all important Airworthiness Document. One year, countless more funds and attorneys efforts - he has been rewarded and has months of joyful 1250 SHP turboprop flight. Rick now has a successful business and pursues similar interests in Canada. Note: a party to this committee finding. They just can't allow any back doors to remain at manipulating their intent. Joe Bartels, also on the committee saw the writing on the wall as so many former employees opened Opportunity Shops. Joe created the Factory Assist Program (in Redmond, OR) at $4,000 per week for up to 28 weeks. Just think, factory jigs, factory tools, factory staff, factory experience and it morphed into the Three Weeks to Final Build Program (Arlington, WA) which was seized by Kitplanes Editor Marc Cook. Lets see 3 weeks, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day = 504 work hours. No sleep. Oh, how this thing can grow horns. The products have truly evolved. The builder benefits, the free market system is great. Thanks for reading at least to the Introduction Gerry. Do not Archive John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules I'm curious, who are the "other interested parties" alluded to in the "Introduction" ? g ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: RV10-List: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules I have invested the last five years (Full Time) in my passion for kit built aircraft. It was with deep personal interest I watched as Dr. Carl Cadwell completed with a handful of close personal friends the first evolutionary Epic kit built aircraft requiring it be done only at the kit factory in Bend, OR. Competitive forces led to the FAA and EAA triggering discussions and deep research on the archaic 51% rules. Many have strong opinions on this sensitive subject. I posed to Dick VanGrunsven his feelings at what was coming at our Pacific NW RV-10 Christmas Dinner (held at kit builder #40001 Dan and Sun Benua's home and with their gracious support). Dick seemed realistic as to the State of the Kit Building Economy. Enclosed as an attachment to this post is The FINAL FAA Document which is flowing towards an NPRM - Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. Your participation is critical. As I read the article, I concluded that the committee did a remarkable job at identification of the various problems and gives a hint at what will be required to correct the aberrations. I became more confident towards the end that the health of the industry for Individuals building their own aircraft for Education and Enjoyment is protected. I also concluded that the A & P mechanics who mass produce aircraft for sale and those untrained individuals with Business storefronts who repetitively construct packaged finished product to order, so that the guy or gal with the big checkbook can falsify their 51% completion of build tasks, is Near. This morning, It was with a heavy heart that I listened to the final TRACON minutes and seconds of an aircraft, whose owner, flying a Certified Aircraft (and the media made careful effort to try and label it as a Kit built) did not successfully complete his landing at PDX on Saturday Morning's dense fog. We had lost another (Kit built) 40 miles south, just seven days prior. There are lots of people who can buy the product who do not acquire the needed skill or maintain the proficiency to fly in our environment. Those who remain pilots pay the insurance premiums of those who came and left before us. Last night I attended a remarkable AOPA 5 Lessons (Mistakes) Seminar held by The ASF Team. This seminar was one of the most timely, practical and inspirational I have attended in 35 years of active flying. I am ever more vigilant that our skills need to be constantly honed and updated. Our kit building industry is about to get a needed cleansing. The professional build shops will soon operate with a new set of rules which will allow them their sales and us our Owner Built and Maintained niche. It was great to see many familiar faces in the mass of several hundred pilot enthusiasts. I hope you find this attachment of interest and usefulness. Get your NPRM comments ready. <<ARC_FINAL_report.pdf>> Fly Safe, Fly Often Live Long John Cox #600


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    Time: 02:21:35 PM PST US
    From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>
    Subject: battery master question
    Does Van's supply the battery master in the kit or do you have to buy it separately. I am at work getting ready to place a parts order and thus cannot remember/verify if I have one or not yet. Here's to hoping that buying a standard kit and building the entire thing with the help of my wife meets the 51% rule!! Do mods count as extra percentage points? If so one can build 105+% of the plane then. I am thinking this makes Deems the % champion :-) Thanks, -Ben Westfall PDX #40579 (N109LB Reserved)


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    Time: 02:40:24 PM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: battery master question
    No, neither the battery master nor the starter solenoid are included in the kit. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Feb 21, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Ben Westfall wrote: > Does Van=92s supply the battery master in the kit or do you have to > buy it separately. I am at work getting ready to place a parts > order and thus cannot remember/verify if I have one or not yet. > > Here=92s to hoping that buying a standard kit and building the entire > thing with the help of my wife meets the 51% rule!! Do mods count > as extra percentage points? If so one can build 105+% of the plane > then. I am thinking this makes Deems the % champion J > > Thanks, > > -Ben Westfall > PDX #40579 (N109LB Reserved) > >


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    Time: 02:40:32 PM PST US
    From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
    Subject: battery master question
    Hi Ben, The battery master is not in the kit. However, it may come with the electri cal system option. Vern Smith (#324)do not archive From: rv10@sinkrate.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: batte ry master questionDate: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:20:24 -0800 Does Van=92s supply the battery master in the kit or do you have to buy it separately. I am at work getting ready to place a parts order and thus can not remember/verify if I have one or not yet. Here=92s to hoping that buying a standard kit and building the entire thing with the help of my wife meets the 51% rule!! Do mods count as extra perc entage points? If so one can build 105+% of the plane then. I am thinking this makes Deems the % champion J Thanks, -Ben Westfall PDX #40579 (N109LB Reserved) _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/


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    Time: 02:46:03 PM PST US
    From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: battery master question
    Ben, You have to buy it seperate or I believe it comes in the wring kit. Rick Sked ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:20:24 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: battery master question Does Van=99s supply the battery master in the kit or do you have to b uy it separately. =C2-I am at work getting ready to place a parts order a nd thus cannot remember/verify if I have one or not yet. Here=99s to hoping that buying a standard kit and building the entire thing with the help of my wife meets the 51% rule!!=C2- Do mods count as extra percentage points?=C2- If so one can build 105+% of the plane then .=C2- I am thinking this makes Deems the % champion J Thanks, -Ben Westfall PDX #40579 (N109LB Reserved) ==== ======================= ==


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    Time: 03:09:17 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
    Subject: Re: battery master question
    They do come with Vans Wiring Kit for the 10. Jeff Carpenter 40304 Fuse/Wiring/Plumbing/Good Times On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Ben Westfall wrote: > Does Van=92s supply the battery master in the kit or do you have to > buy it separately. I am at work getting ready to place a parts > order and thus cannot remember/verify if I have one or not yet. > > Here=92s to hoping that buying a standard kit and building the entire > thing with the help of my wife meets the 51% rule!! Do mods count > as extra percentage points? If so one can build 105+% of the plane > then. I am thinking this makes Deems the % champion J > > Thanks, > > -Ben Westfall > PDX #40579 (N109LB Reserved) > >


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    Time: 03:44:06 PM PST US
    From: "Neal George" <n8zg@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Perihelion dimmers
    Jay - I have two. One driving an LED strip from Stein. The other driving the LED map light, also from Stein. They're slightly bigger than the typical DPDT switch - not wider, but taller on one end. They seem to work well. Note that you only need a 1/4" hole. I've been VERY happy with Eric's service. Neal RV-7 N8ZG Baffles Has anyone used these dimmers? http://www.periheliondesign.com/egpavr.htm * Any quirks? * It doesn't appear to be Pulse Width Modulated (a bonus) (data Sheet here: http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM317.html) * ON/OFF switch is nice * How do they fit in the very limited space provided for by the RV10 switch rail? Thanks, Jay Up to elbows in fiberglass. Planning electrical to save my sanity. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165449#165449


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    Time: 05:25:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil Canning and Santa's gift
    From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
    John, I want to thank you for your candid comments on oil canning problems with the last bottom outboard wing skins. I must have looked at your and Van's drawings a hundred times before I began. In short, my first skin was a success with an inconsequential "swelling" in one of the last panels. Doing the second one, my wife suggested (she's the head riveter) that we do the last part at a diagonal - starting from the rear spar outboard to the forward outboard rivet. It came out fantastic and was much easier to do, since you can bend the skin more without worrying about a crease. As you said, trimming the leading edge of the skin to fit was important. I found that a flat file took off the most metal with the smoothest edge - before a little scotchbrite, of course. For those of you getting ready to tackle those skins, I would suggest making absolutely sure the leading edge of the skin has some gap prior to the final match drill. Follow Van's suggestions but modified with John's pdf flow. Finally, consider the "diagonal scheme" for the outboard three ribs - it really worked and I'll be thanking my wife for weeks. Finally! I'm on to the Fuselage! John (lowly bucker) -------- #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165496#165496


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    Time: 05:48:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Perihelion dimmers
    From: "RV10 4JF" <ETskypilot@aol.com>
    I have not used the Perihelion dimmers but I have made a few voltage regulators using the circuit in the data sheet. I use the LM 338 regulator which gives me 7 amps max output and 5 amps. constant current. For me, it is a pretty good regulator and reliable circuit. You should be pleased with the dimmer. JF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165498#165498


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    Time: 06:32:43 PM PST US
    From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Oil Canning and Santa's gift
    John, Thanks for the thanks. Glad it worked out for you. It is a nice feeling get ting a great result, in other words, putting it to rest. No what else can I redo? JOhn G. Waiting for my finish kit to arrive Do Not Archive> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Canning and Santa's gift> From: johngoodman@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:21:52 -0800> To: rv10 goodman@earthlink.net>> > John,> I want to thank you for your candid commen ts on oil canning problems with the last bottom outboard wing skins. I must have looked at your and Van's drawings a hundred times before I began.> In short, my first skin was a success with an inconsequential "swelling" in o ne of the last panels. Doing the second one, my wife suggested (she's the h ead riveter) that we do the last part at a diagonal - starting from the rea r spar outboard to the forward outboard rivet. It came out fantastic and wa s much easier to do, since you can bend the skin more without worrying abou t a crease.> As you said, trimming the leading edge of the skin to fit was important. I found that a flat file took off the most metal with the smooth est edge - before a little scotchbrite, of course.> > For those of you gett ing ready to tackle those skins, I would suggest making absolutely sure the leading edge of the skin has some gap prior to the final match drill. Foll ow Van's suggestions but modified with John's pdf flow. Finally, consider t he "diagonal scheme" for the outboard three ribs - it really worked and I'l l be thanking my wife for weeks.> > Finally! I'm on to the Fuselage!> > Joh n (lowly bucker)> > --------> #40572 QB Wings, QB Fuse arrived> N711JG rese rved> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/v ===============> > >


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    Time: 07:58:13 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: WRECKED A340-600 at TULOUSE FRANCE 11-07
    TIMEOUT FOR HUMOR Arabs WRECKED A340-600 at TULOUSE FRANCE 11-07 These are pictures of the wreck of a brand new A340-600, that had never flown. (never saw (1) hour in the air) Thank these French and their Arab friends for this bit of "comedy of errors". Nine employees of the Arab airline were in the aircraft, but "no employees" from Airbus were present. The Arab's taxied out to the run-up area. Then they took all four engines to takeoff power with virtually an empty aircraft. (They obvious didn't read the run-up manuals.) No chocks were set, (not that it would have mattered at that power setting). "Brakes will not hold it back at full power anyway". As it turns out the takeoff warning horn was blaring away in the cockpit because they had all FOUR engines at full power. The aircraft computers thought they were trying to takeoff but it had not been configured properly (flaps/slats, etc, etc). Then one of these brain surgeons decided to pull the "Ground Sense" circuit breaker to quiet the alarms. This fools the aircraft into thinking it is in the air."A big, big mistake"! As soon as they did that, the computers automaticlly "released" all the brakes. ("this is a Safety feature so that pilots don't land with the brakes on".)There was No time to stop and no one smart enough thought to reduce the max power setting..... So the rest is as you see it below. No one is talking, so who knows if there were survivors.


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    Time: 10:01:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Filling tanks
    From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
    Group: Before attaching the wings, I'd like to fill up the tanks, more to test the fuel quantity indicators than anything else. Is supporting a wing with 3-4 sawhorses, maybe with plywood on top, sufficient for the 180 pounds or so of fuel that will be in there? Thoughts? Suggestions? What have others done? Thanks, TDT 40025 - off the jacks




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