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1. 07:39 AM - Re: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias (johngoodman)
2. 07:46 AM - Re: OSH RV-10 Operatonr seminar was: Establishing gross weight (johngoodman)
3. 07:54 AM - Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar (Deems Davis)
4. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias (bob.kaufmann)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules - Where's the Leadership? (Deems Davis)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) (Vernon Smith)
7. 09:14 AM - Re: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) (Vernon Smith)
8. 09:42 AM - Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar (Bob Leffler)
9. 10:17 AM - Re: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) (Rene)
10. 10:19 AM - Re: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) (Marcus Cooper)
11. 12:16 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar (John W. Cox)
12. 01:18 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 Operations seminar (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 01:42 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar (speckter@comcast.net)
14. 03:22 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar (bcondrey)
15. 03:46 PM - Re: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias (jkreidler)
16. 04:02 PM - Re: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) (jkreidler)
17. 04:47 PM - N410BL Flies! (Bob Leffler)
18. 04:54 PM - RV-10 Wing Spar question (Van's Response) (Bob Leffler)
19. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar (speckter@comcast.net)
20. 05:27 PM - Re: OSH RV-10 Operations seminar (John W. Cox)
21. 06:30 PM - Rudder Peddle Position (orchidman)
22. 06:37 PM - Static ports (tganster)
23. 06:45 PM - RVator (tganster)
24. 07:03 PM - Re: Static ports (Jesse Saint)
25. 07:20 PM - Re: Static ports (Rick Sked)
26. 07:23 PM - Re: N410BL Flies! (Rick Sked)
27. 07:32 PM - Re: RVator (Rick Sked)
28. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias |
Jason,
I love it! Simple, clean, and easy to install or remove. You've sold me on it.
If you decide to make a few, sign me up.
John
jkreidler wrote:
> Enclosed are a few photographs....
>
> Thanks, Jason
>
> Jason Kreidler - 40617 Finishing
> (4 Partner Build)
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| Subject: | Re: OSH RV-10 Operatonr seminar was: Establishing gross weight |
Excellent idea. Go for it.
By the way, anybody going to Sun 'n fun? I plan on arriving day one and staying
until I'm bored. I'm driving down so there will be at least one RV-10 builder
there with a car (actually a six seat Chevy 4wd pickup).
John
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| Subject: | Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar |
I think this is a great idea, and the time should be right, there are
enough flying RV-10's to where there's some really valuable
information/data that could be assembled and disseminated at such an
event. In fact I could see the possibility for several sessions, each
with a different focus. I don't know what the availability of the tents
might be, but there' always the possibility of 'carry-over' sessions
occurring @ RV-10 HQ in the evening. Some thoughts about possible topics:
1st flight:
Preparation for
Sharing of Stage ! test plans/scripts
Here's what I learned during Stage 1
Maintenance issues - What to look for and to keep your eyes open to.
Performance data - Let's publish a standard/simple performance recording
procedure and ask as many -10's as possible to fly it and report.
Insuring your RV-10
How do you fly your -10?
ROP/LOP
TO/Landing
CG issues (nose heavy?)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> Purging important old posts and converting some to PDFs for research.
>
> We should contact AirVenture about a meeting tent to discuss RV-10
> Operating Issues like the Lancair boys. We have plenty flying now and
> could pack a tent.
>
> What say you? We could segway right into Pilot Proficiency.
>
> EAA asked if I wanted to be a Featured Speaker. I can at least find out
> how to reserve a tent.
>
> JC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatonr seminar was: Establishing gross
> weight
>
>
> Let's do it!
>
> How can we make this happen?
>
> I'm willing to assist, with the caveat, that I am NOT qualified to
> provide the content but willing to help assist in the organization,
> administration and delivery.
>
> Perhaps this could be a step towards a Pilot Proficiency program?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
>
>> OSH
>>
>> Anybody want to talk about an RV-10 Operator's Seminar at OSH like
>> Lancair does? So we can hammer out these issues.
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias |
Somehow I seem to not have the pictures, where can I see them.
Bob K
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias
Jason,
I love it! Simple, clean, and easy to install or remove. You've sold me on
it. If you decide to make a few, sign me up.
John
jkreidler wrote:
> Enclosed are a few photographs....
>
> Thanks, Jason
>
> Jason Kreidler - 40617 Finishing
> (4 Partner Build)
--------
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N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Amendment and Revision to Kit Building Rules - Where's |
the Leadership?
Thanks for the insight Dave, and Thanks also for volunteering to spend
your time on this issue. I'm just another 'special interest' that
doesn't' want the abuses of a few to end up limiting or restricting the
abilities of the critical amateur mass. Having already written and sent
my letter, I'll calm back down and now wait for the NPRM and hope that
the right things happen.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> Deems,
>
> The ARC did agree on a few things. We agreed that flagrant pro building
> exists and that it should not, and we agreed on several fixes to the current
> system.
>
> Where we disagreed most significantly was in how to define the major
> portion. No one thought we should count hours or dollars. No one wanted a
> rivet (epoxy/thread/grain) count. I believe the rule was poorly written and
> has somehow managed to serve us anyway. A lot of credit for the success of
> the current situation is, I believe, that initially there was not any real
> financial incentive to pro building. Back in the day you could buy a nice
> plane for less effort than you or a pro could build one. When that equation
> started to change, pro building became worthwhile and there wasn't anyone
> enforcing the fact that it was not within the rules. It was a cottage
> industry.
>
> Now that there is real money involved (several hundred million dollars by my
> accounting--very little mine >:-(), you are correct in that the parties at
> the table mainly had their interests in mind. Everyone wants it to work for
> himself after it all shakes out. You are also correct in that the committee
> was pretty well balanced in terms of personalities so that no one party
> emerged as the leader for the rest of us to rally around. I don't think
> that was intentional when the committee members were selected. I think the
> FAA wanted a broad and representative sample of the industry and that's what
> they got. Earl Lawrence from EAA was helpful and did stand up for its
> membership and the industry as well as he could, especially considering that
> a workable definition of "major portion" is such a slippery critter.
>
> I think there is an elegant solution that has not yet surfaced. I hope that
> with more input from more people it will show itself. I don't really think
> that amateur building is in much danger. Violaters will probaly not be
> tolerated much longer, but those who've gotten away with it so far, I think,
> are pretty safe. FAA lawyers made it pretty clear that pursuing what's
> already happened under current conditions would be difficult to impossible.
>
> Write those letters!
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA
> 831-722-9141
> 831-750-0284 CL
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) |
Been thinking a lot about Jason's rudder trim system and have a request for
those flying.
Jason said "If I deflect the one springs free arm 30 degrees, will it creat
e enough force to put the airplane in trim. The springs apply about an 8 p
ound force to the rudder cables (pre-load if you will), assuming they will
want to maintain in equilibrium a 30 degree deflection should be more than
enough to trim the airplane."
Would someone flying, been willing to measure the force it takes to deflect
the rudder under flight loads? The measurement wouldn't need to be exact,
just close. Just have a passanger with a fish scale hooked to the bottom of
the rudder pedal as you push on the matching pedal may work. I'm sure ther
e are other ways to do this- Hey this is one ingenious bunch! Having this f
orce measurement will aid greatly in the design and initial success of this
trim system.
Is someone up to doing this? I know this is asking a lot. One you've got to
go flying and two you have to find someone to ride along with you:) But jo
king aside I think this would speed the development along and I for one wou
ld be very appetitive.
Thanks for any help,
Vern Smith (#324 motor mount ready to install)
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m: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.comDate: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:55:17 -0600I hav
e 'developed' a spring bias rudder trim system for the RV-10. After sharin
g this idea with Deems he encouraged me to do the same with the rest of the
group. So here goes, but before I get into any details let me preface thi
s whole conversation with a few thoughts. This is all in theory, I have ab
solutely no actual flight testing to back up any of the 'claims', or assump
tions. Just good old common sense and a tiny bit of engineering. Our airp
lane is not in the air yet, I had hoped to get in the air, prove out the sy
stem, then share with the world. To prevent anyone else for possibly needl
essly cutting into their rudder to add a trim tab, I have decided to bear t
he scrutiny of an unproven, theoretical system. Please be gentle...
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| Subject: | Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) |
Hmm- On second thought the fish scale idea below won't work as it will just
add to the resistents you would push against. I'm sure there is a way to d
o it though.
Vern
From: planesmith@hotmail.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-Li
st: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias)Date: Sat, 23 Fe
b 2008 09:16:21 -0700
Been thinking a lot about Jason's rudder trim system and have a request for
those flying. Jason said "If I deflect the one springs free arm 30 degree
s, will it create enough force to put the airplane in trim. The springs ap
ply about an 8 pound force to the rudder cables (pre-load if you will), ass
uming they will want to maintain in equilibrium a 30 degree deflection shou
ld be more than enough to trim the airplane." Would someone flying, been wi
lling to measure the force it takes to deflect the rudder under flight load
s? The measurement wouldn't need to be exact, just close. Just have a passa
nger with a fish scale hooked to the bottom of the rudder pedal as you push
on the matching pedal may work. I'm sure there are other ways to do this-
Hey this is one ingenious bunch! Having this force measurement will aid gre
atly in the design and initial success of this trim system. Is someone up t
o doing this? I know this is asking a lot. One you've got to go flying and
two you have to find someone to ride along with you:) But joking aside I th
ink this would speed the development along and I for one would be very appe
titive. Thanks for any help, Vern Smith (#324 motor mount ready to install)
do not archive
m: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.comDate: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:55:17 -0600I hav
e 'developed' a spring bias rudder trim system for the RV-10. After sharin
g this idea with Deems he encouraged me to do the same with the rest of the
group. So here goes, but before I get into any details let me preface thi
s whole conversation with a few thoughts. This is all in theory, I have ab
solutely no actual flight testing to back up any of the 'claims', or assump
tions. Just good old common sense and a tiny bit of engineering. Our airp
lane is not in the air yet, I had hoped to get in the air, prove out the sy
stem, then share with the world. To prevent anyone else for possibly needl
essly cutting into their rudder to add a trim tab, I have decided to bear t
he scrutiny of an unproven, theoretical system. Please be gentle...
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| Subject: | OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar |
When I inquired last year the forum pavilions were available in the evening,
but that was about 6 weeks before Airventure. We may be early enough to
find a location during the day.
While clearly not an expert yet on most RV-10 topics, I would be willing to
assist with organizing or with any other tasks that need to be done.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
I think this is a great idea, and the time should be right, there are
enough flying RV-10's to where there's some really valuable
information/data that could be assembled and disseminated at such an
event. In fact I could see the possibility for several sessions, each
with a different focus. I don't know what the availability of the tents
might be, but there' always the possibility of 'carry-over' sessions
occurring @ RV-10 HQ in the evening. Some thoughts about possible topics:
1st flight:
Preparation for
Sharing of Stage ! test plans/scripts
Here's what I learned during Stage 1
Maintenance issues - What to look for and to keep your eyes open to.
Performance data - Let's publish a standard/simple performance recording
procedure and ask as many -10's as possible to fly it and report.
Insuring your RV-10
How do you fly your -10?
ROP/LOP
TO/Landing
CG issues (nose heavy?)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> Purging important old posts and converting some to PDFs for research.
>
> We should contact AirVenture about a meeting tent to discuss RV-10
> Operating Issues like the Lancair boys. We have plenty flying now and
> could pack a tent.
>
> What say you? We could segway right into Pilot Proficiency.
>
> EAA asked if I wanted to be a Featured Speaker. I can at least find out
> how to reserve a tent.
>
> JC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatonr seminar was: Establishing gross
> weight
>
>
> Let's do it!
>
> How can we make this happen?
>
> I'm willing to assist, with the caveat, that I am NOT qualified to
> provide the content but willing to help assist in the organization,
> administration and delivery.
>
> Perhaps this could be a step towards a Pilot Proficiency program?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
>
>> OSH
>>
>> Anybody want to talk about an RV-10 Operator's Seminar at OSH like
>> Lancair does? So we can hammer out these issues.
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) |
Having just come back from transition training, I would have to say it
depends on how fast you are going...I have no idea how much force it
took
but it seemed light to me except when I slipped, then I thought I needed
two
legs to hold the rudder all the way down.
Had a great time at transition training with Mike. I got a great start
al
learning how to fly an RV-10. Since flying is a life time learning
event I
look forward to the next 20 years in a kick-ass plane. I got to fly in
410RV so it is the same horsepower as my airplane. I have a couple of
bad
habits I need to break, but at least I know what to focus on.
Just want to repeat what those in front of me have said. Mike is a
great
instructor and the transition training is worth every penny. I got 6
hours
in hops over two days. Also, stayed in the Scappoose Creek Inn, arrived
late (Midnight) and left early (3am) and they accommodated all my needs.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim -
Spring
Bias)
Hmm- On second thought the fish scale idea below won't work as it will
just
add to the resistents you would push against. I'm sure there is a way to
do
it though.
Vern
_____
From: planesmith@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim -
Spring
Bias)
Been thinking a lot about Jason's rudder trim system and have a request
for
those flying.
Jason said "If I deflect the one springs free arm 30 degrees, will it
create
enough force to put the airplane in trim.. The springs apply about an 8
pound force to the rudder cables (pre-load if you will), assuming they
will
want to maintain in equilibrium a 30 degree deflection should be more
than
enough to trim the airplane."
Would someone flying, been willing to measure the force it takes to
deflect
the rudder under flight loads? The measurement wouldn't need to be
exact,
just close. Just have a passanger with a fish scale hooked to the bottom
of
the rudder pedal as you push on the matching pedal may work. I'm sure
there
are other ways to do this- Hey this is one ingenious bunch! Having this
force measurement will aid greatly in the design and initial success of
this
trim system.
Is someone up to doing this? I know this is asking a lot. One you've got
to
go flying and two you have to find someone to ride along with you:) But
joking aside I think this would speed the development along and I for
one
would be very appetitive.
Thanks for any help,
Vern Smith (#324 motor mount ready to install)
do not archive
_____
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias
From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
I have 'developed' a spring bias rudder trim system for the RV-10.
After
sharing this idea with Deems he encouraged me to do the same with the
rest
of the group. So here goes, but before I get into any details let me
preface this whole conversation with a few thoughts. This is all in
theory,
I have absolutely no actual flight testing to back up any of the
'claims',
or assumptions. Just good old common sense and a tiny bit of
engineering.
Our airplane is not in the air yet, I had hoped to get in the air, prove
out
the system, then share with the world. To prevent anyone else for
possibly
needlessly cutting into their rudder to add a trim tab, I have decided
to
bear the scrutiny of an unproven, theoretical system. Please be
gentle...
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| Subject: | Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) |
Vern,
I think if you attached the fish scale to a stick and the rudder pedal so
the fish scale was on the far side of the pedal it would work by pushing on
the stick until the desired deflection was gained.
Having said that, the easier answer is "not much". I found it takes very
little pressure to work the pedals, but I can't quantify it. Also, if you
need 30 degrees of pedal movement to hold the airplane in trim, I suspect
you have something else very wrong going on so that should be plenty. Other
than on climbout it's really more like leaning on a pedal to get the ball
centered.
Marcus
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring
Bias)
Hmm- On second thought the fish scale idea below won't work as it will just
add to the resistents you would push against. I'm sure there is a way to do
it though.
Vern
_____
From: planesmith@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring
Bias)
Been thinking a lot about Jason's rudder trim system and have a request for
those flying.
Jason said "If I deflect the one springs free arm 30 degrees, will it create
enough force to put the airplane in trim. The springs apply about an 8
pound force to the rudder cables (pre-load if you will), assuming they will
want to maintain in equilibrium a 30 degree deflection should be more than
enough to trim the airplane."
Would someone flying, been willing to measure the force it takes to deflect
the rudder under flight loads? The measurement wouldn't need to be exact,
just close. Just have a passanger with a fish scale hooked to the bottom of
the rudder pedal as you push on the matching pedal may work. I'm sure there
are other ways to do this- Hey this is one ingenious bunch! Having this
force measurement will aid greatly in the design and initial success of this
trim system.
Is someone up to doing this? I know this is asking a lot. One you've got to
go flying and two you have to find someone to ride along with you:) But
joking aside I think this would speed the development along and I for one
would be very appetitive.
Thanks for any help,
Vern Smith (#324 motor mount ready to install)
do not archive
_____
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias
From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
I have 'developed' a spring bias rudder trim system for the RV-10. After
sharing this idea with Deems he encouraged me to do the same with the rest
of the group. So here goes, but before I get into any details let me
preface this whole conversation with a few thoughts. This is all in theory,
I have absolutely no actual flight testing to back up any of the 'claims',
or assumptions. Just good old common sense and a tiny bit of engineering.
Our airplane is not in the air yet, I had hoped to get in the air, prove out
the system, then share with the world. To prevent anyone else for possibly
needlessly cutting into their rudder to add a trim tab, I have decided to
bear the scrutiny of an unproven, theoretical system. Please be gentle...
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| Subject: | OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar |
The worst time for a reserved discussion area was after 3:00PM and when
the late Jimmy Franklin would fly his Jet Assisted WACO or a Harrier
Demo performed during the airshow. Seems like a successful time slot
just before the Airshow and later in the week (WED/THU/FRI) might hold
the greatest potential for attendance. When the airshow ends, the whole
culture and traffic considerations at Air Venture Change abruptly. In
the evening we might need to add other considerations like hunger or
Thunderstorm avoidance on the airport grounds.
Construction Mods, Calculations of amended GW, Phase One Compliance,
Transition Training, EFIS setup and testing, flight performance numbers
and first person stories might hold a crowd even during the noise. It
is best to request an area even before Sun N Fun kick into gear.
I say we forward our ideas to Deems for validation and screening. Then
we can outreach for the best panel speakers from the RV-10 family. Tim
can you contact OSH or Mike are you listening?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
When I inquired last year the forum pavilions were available in the
evening,
but that was about 6 weeks before Airventure. We may be early enough
to
find a location during the day.
While clearly not an expert yet on most RV-10 topics, I would be willing
to
assist with organizing or with any other tasks that need to be done.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
I think this is a great idea, and the time should be right, there are
enough flying RV-10's to where there's some really valuable
information/data that could be assembled and disseminated at such an
event. In fact I could see the possibility for several sessions, each
with a different focus. I don't know what the availability of the tents
might be, but there' always the possibility of 'carry-over' sessions
occurring @ RV-10 HQ in the evening. Some thoughts about possible
topics:
1st flight:
Preparation for
Sharing of Stage ! test plans/scripts
Here's what I learned during Stage 1
Maintenance issues - What to look for and to keep your eyes open to.
Performance data - Let's publish a standard/simple performance recording
procedure and ask as many -10's as possible to fly it and report.
Insuring your RV-10
How do you fly your -10?
ROP/LOP
TO/Landing
CG issues (nose heavy?)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | OSH RV-10 Operations seminar |
I shot an email off letting them know who we are, what we are looking to do, and
what time we were hoping for. I'll let you know what I hear.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
The worst time for a reserved discussion area was after 3:00PM and when
the late Jimmy Franklin would fly his Jet Assisted WACO or a Harrier
Demo performed during the airshow. Seems like a successful time slot
just before the Airshow and later in the week (WED/THU/FRI) might hold
the greatest potential for attendance. When the airshow ends, the whole
culture and traffic considerations at Air Venture Change abruptly. In
the evening we might need to add other considerations like hunger or
Thunderstorm avoidance on the airport grounds.
Construction Mods, Calculations of amended GW, Phase One Compliance,
Transition Training, EFIS setup and testing, flight performance numbers
and first person stories might hold a crowd even during the noise. It
is best to request an area even before Sun N Fun kick into gear.
I say we forward our ideas to Deems for validation and screening. Then
we can outreach for the best panel speakers from the RV-10 family. Tim
can you contact OSH or Mike are you listening?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
When I inquired last year the forum pavilions were available in the
evening,
but that was about 6 weeks before Airventure. We may be early enough
to
find a location during the day.
While clearly not an expert yet on most RV-10 topics, I would be willing
to
assist with organizing or with any other tasks that need to be done.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
I think this is a great idea, and the time should be right, there are
enough flying RV-10's to where there's some really valuable
information/data that could be assembled and disseminated at such an
event. In fact I could see the possibility for several sessions, each
with a different focus. I don't know what the availability of the tents
might be, but there' always the possibility of 'carry-over' sessions
occurring @ RV-10 HQ in the evening. Some thoughts about possible
topics:
1st flight:
Preparation for
Sharing of Stage ! test plans/scripts
Here's what I learned during Stage 1
Maintenance issues - What to look for and to keep your eyes open to.
Performance data - Let's publish a standard/simple performance recording
procedure and ask as many -10's as possible to fly it and report.
Insuring your RV-10
How do you fly your -10?
ROP/LOP
TO/Landing
CG issues (nose heavy?)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar |
I have not talked with Bob Condry yet, but I will be at OSH early again this year
and will help stake out a HQ up close.
Bob, do we want to do the reservations like we did last year or modify?
Gary
40274
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> I think this is a great idea, and the time should be right, there are
> enough flying RV-10's to where there's some really valuable
> information/data that could be assembled and disseminated at such an
> event. In fact I could see the possibility for several sessions, each
> with a different focus. I don't know what the availability of the tents
> might be, but there' always the possibility of 'carry-over' sessions
> occurring @ RV-10 HQ in the evening. Some thoughts about possible topics:
>
> 1st flight:
> Preparation for
> Sharing of Stage ! test plans/scripts
> Here's what I learned during Stage 1
> Maintenance issues - What to look for and to keep your eyes open to.
> Performance data - Let's publish a standard/simple performance recording
> procedure and ask as many -10's as possible to fly it and report.
> Insuring your RV-10
> How do you fly your -10?
> ROP/LOP
> TO/Landing
> CG issues (nose heavy?)
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
> >
> > Purging important old posts and converting some to PDFs for research.
> >
> > We should contact AirVenture about a meeting tent to discuss RV-10
> > Operating Issues like the Lancair boys. We have plenty flying now and
> > could pack a tent.
> >
> > What say you? We could segway right into Pilot Proficiency.
> >
> > EAA asked if I wanted to be a Featured Speaker. I can at least find out
> > how to reserve a tent.
> >
> > JC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:42 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatonr seminar was: Establishing gross
> > weight
> >
> >
> > Let's do it!
> >
> > How can we make this happen?
> >
> > I'm willing to assist, with the caveat, that I am NOT qualified to
> > provide the content but willing to help assist in the organization,
> > administration and delivery.
> >
> > Perhaps this could be a step towards a Pilot Proficiency program?
> >
> > Deems Davis # 406
> > Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> > http://deemsrv10.com/
> >
> > John W. Cox wrote:
> >
> >> OSH
> >>
> >> Anybody want to talk about an RV-10 Operator's Seminar at OSH like
> >> Lancair does? So we can hammer out these issues.
> >>
> >> John Cox
> >>
> >> *
> >> *
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>I have not talked with Bob Condry yet, but I will be at OSH early again this
year and will help stake out a HQ up close.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bob, do we want to do the reservations like we did last year or modify?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gary</DIV>
<DIV>40274</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Deems Davis
<deemsdavis@cox.net> <BR><BR>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems
Davis <DEEMSDAVIS@COX.NET><BR>> <BR>> I think this is a great idea,
and the time should be right, there are <BR>> enough flying RV-10's to where
there's some really valuable <BR>> information/data that could be assembled
and disseminated at such an <BR>> event. In fact I could see the possibility
for several sessions, each <BR>> with a different focus. I don't know
what the availability of the tents <BR>> might be, but there' always the possibility
of 'carry-over' sessions <BR>> occurring @ RV-10 HQ in the evening.
Some thoughts about possible topics: <BR>> <BR>> 1st flight: <BR>>
Preparation for <BR>> Sharing of Stage ! test plans/scripts <BR>> Here's
what I learned during Stage 1 <BR>> Maintenance
issues
- What to look for and to keep your eyes open to. <BR>> Performance data - Let's publish a standard/simple performance recording <BR>> procedure and ask as many -10's as possible to fly it and report. <BR>> Insuring your RV-10 <BR>> How do you fly your -10? <BR>> ROP/LOP <BR>> TO/Landing <BR>> CG issues (nose heavy?) <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Deems Davis # 406 <BR>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together' <BR>> http://deemsrv10.com/ <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> John W. Cox wrote: <BR>> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <JOHNWCOX@PACIFICNW.COM><BR>> > <BR>> > Purging important old posts and converting some to PDFs for research. <BR>> > <BR>> > We should contact AirVenture about a meeting tent to discuss RV-10 <BR>> > Operating Issues like the Lancair boys. We have plenty flying now and <BR>> > could pack a tent. <BR>> > <BR>> > What say you? We could segway right into Pilot P
rofici
ency. <BR>> > <BR>> > EAA asked if I wanted to be a Featured Speaker. I can at least find out <BR>> > how to reserve a tent. <BR>> > <BR>> > JC <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis <BR>> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:42 AM <BR>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com <BR>> > Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatonr seminar was: Establishing gross <BR>> > weight <BR>> > <BR>> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <DEEMSDAVIS@COX.NET><BR>> > <BR>> > Let's do it! <BR>> > <BR>> > How can we make this happen? <BR>> > <BR>> > I'm willing to assist, with the caveat, that I am NOT qualified to <BR>> > provide the content but willing to help assist in the organization, <BR>> > administration and delivery. <BR>>
; >
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| Subject: | Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar |
Gary,
I will also be there again early but haven't really done any planning yet. I thought
last year worked OK, but if somebody had ideas for improvements I'm all
ears.
BTW, last year folks were very generous with their contributions during our various
"food nights" and we overachieved a bit... I plan to use the excess collected
to partially offset cost for an extra site to give us more room for gathering
and socializing for the group.
We can plan more when it gets a little closer.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim - Spring Bias |
All, thanks for the encouraging comments both on-line and off. I really didn't
expect this sort of interest. With that being said, I would really like to find
a willing participant to test this on a flying RV-10. We are several months
away from our fist flight, I don't think everyone has that sort of time available.
If anyone would be interested in helping out with this sort of testing
please let me know.
I am really surprised at the number of people who expressed interest in installing
a kit (once the system is working). I have decided to create a kit of parts
once the concept is reality.
As far as using this kit on an RV-7, I have a friend building a 7 not far from
where I live, I will stop by his house and measure it all up and see if it will
work.
If you are still unable to view the pictures please send me an e-mail, I would
be happy to e-mail copies.
Thanks again everyone!!
Jason - 40617 Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Request of those flying (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) |
"Also, if you need 30 degrees of pedal movement to hold the airplane in trim, I
suspect you have something else very wrong going on so that should be plenty."
Just to clarify, I am not suggesting that a thirty degree deflection of the free
leg of the spring will produce thirty degrees of pedal movement. The thirty
degree deflection is the amount of bias available to produce a much smaller movement
of the actual rudder. Because the first spring is counteracting the second
spring, the difference in the induced tension between the two is your ability
to trim.
Thanks, Jason
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Well, at least the empennage... :^)
With the assistance of the family, we hoisted the empennage using a couple
bicycle hoists. Now my wife can get her car back into the garage.
Unfortunately, it's a couple days too late. We've had freezing rain here
the last couple of days.
Bob
#40684
mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | RV-10 Wing Spar question (Van's Response) |
Thanks to all whom shared their opinions on my spar issue. It took about a
half dozen emails to get Ken to understand my question and the issue I was
attempting to resolve. The dialogue went from we never had any issues with
the spar, to attempting to resolve an issue that I didn't identify. When I
finally was able to communicate the issue effectively, I got the attached
response.
Brad and I pulled out the skins this afternoon and all the holes aligned
just fine. So now it appears I can get back building again.
Thanks again for all those that replied!
Bob
#40684
mykitlog.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Scott [mailto:kens@vansaircraft.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:44 AM
Cc: support@vansaircraft.com
Subject: RE: RV-10 Wing Spar question
Bob: if you mean that the flange width tapers slightly toward the end of
the spar, that has no
significance at all. Nor does a gap between the end of the spar the 1006
extension. As long
as the flanges present a flat plane to the skin and holes line up with the
holes in the skin, all
is well.
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| Subject: | Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar |
I looked at the calendar and we will probably arrive at OSH on the 21 on Monday
again and we can stake out the sites on Tues the 22. If you want to be the treasurer
again, I would be greatful.
Gary
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Gary,
>
> I will also be there again early but haven't really done any planning yet. I
> thought last year worked OK, but if somebody had ideas for improvements I'm all
> ears.
>
> BTW, last year folks were very generous with their contributions during our
> various "food nights" and we overachieved a bit... I plan to use the excess
> collected to partially offset cost for an extra site to give us more room for
> gathering and socializing for the group.
>
> We can plan more when it gets a little closer.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165837#165837
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>I looked at the calendar and we will probably arrive at OSH on the 21 on Monday
again and we can stake out the sites on Tues the 22. If you want to
be the treasurer again, I would be greatful.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gary</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
<BR><BR>> --> RV10-List message posted
by: "bcondrey" <BOB.CONDREY@BAESYSTEMS.COM><BR>> <BR>> Gary, <BR>> <BR>>
I will also be there again early but haven't really done any planning
yet. I <BR>> thought last year worked OK, but if somebody had ideas for improvements
I'm all <BR>> ears. <BR>> <BR>> BTW, last year folks were very
generous with their contributions during our <BR>> various "food nights"
and we overachieved a bit... I plan to use the excess <BR>> collected to
partially offset cost for an extra site to give us more room for <BR>> gathering
and socializing for the group. <BR>> <BR>> We can plan more when it
gets a little closer. <BR>> <BR>> Bob <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Read this topic online here: <BR>> <B
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| Subject: | OSH RV-10 Operations seminar |
Thanks.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operations seminar
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I shot an email off letting them know who we are, what we are looking to
do, and what time we were hoping for. I'll let you know what I hear.
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
The worst time for a reserved discussion area was after 3:00PM and when
the late Jimmy Franklin would fly his Jet Assisted WACO or a Harrier
Demo performed during the airshow. Seems like a successful time slot
just before the Airshow and later in the week (WED/THU/FRI) might hold
the greatest potential for attendance. When the airshow ends, the whole
culture and traffic considerations at Air Venture Change abruptly. In
the evening we might need to add other considerations like hunger or
Thunderstorm avoidance on the airport grounds.
Construction Mods, Calculations of amended GW, Phase One Compliance,
Transition Training, EFIS setup and testing, flight performance numbers
and first person stories might hold a crowd even during the noise. It
is best to request an area even before Sun N Fun kick into gear.
I say we forward our ideas to Deems for validation and screening. Then
we can outreach for the best panel speakers from the RV-10 family. Tim
can you contact OSH or Mike are you listening?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
When I inquired last year the forum pavilions were available in the
evening,
but that was about 6 weeks before Airventure. We may be early enough
to
find a location during the day.
While clearly not an expert yet on most RV-10 topics, I would be willing
to
assist with organizing or with any other tasks that need to be done.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
I think this is a great idea, and the time should be right, there are
enough flying RV-10's to where there's some really valuable
information/data that could be assembled and disseminated at such an
event. In fact I could see the possibility for several sessions, each
with a different focus. I don't know what the availability of the tents
might be, but there' always the possibility of 'carry-over' sessions
occurring @ RV-10 HQ in the evening. Some thoughts about possible
topics:
1st flight:
Preparation for
Sharing of Stage ! test plans/scripts
Here's what I learned during Stage 1
Maintenance issues - What to look for and to keep your eyes open to.
Performance data - Let's publish a standard/simple performance recording
procedure and ask as many -10's as possible to fly it and report.
Insuring your RV-10
How do you fly your -10?
ROP/LOP
TO/Landing
CG issues (nose heavy?)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Rudder Peddle Position |
Ok all you flyers and near flyers, did you position your rudder peddles in the
forward or aft set of bolt holes?
Thanks to the excellent plans, it you blink you miss completely the fact that there
are 2 sets of bolt holes that can be used to set the for and aft positioning
of the rudder peddles. Section 38 page 4 shows the 6 holes in the F-1013
longeron and shows the F-1039B bracket being installed into the forward set of
holes but doesnt mention the aft set of holes and why you may or may not want
to use either. You then blindly proceed on and drill the F-1039D bracket for
the center support blocks based on the set of holes you used for the side blocks.
It is not until 38-10 where the secret is revealed when in step one you
make the Rudder Cable Links, either the Aft or Fwd based on the holes used previously.
Well I drilled the F-1039D bracket for both settings so I can go either way at
any time with out having to do any drilling in the future.
Here is my question, which location did you install your peddles, how tall are
you and do you feel that you were correct in the location you used? I know that
we have a fair amount of latitude due to the ability of move our seats forward
and aft. I can see tall pilots wanting the forward position, but at some
point smaller pilots would prefer the aft settings. The seat can only be moved
forward just so far before the stick starts getting in the way.
It would be nice if we could come up with some type of rule of thumb that would
say any one shorter then 5'8", then install in the Aft set.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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Has anyone purchased the static ports offered by Vans?
Are they aluminum? Flush mount? Quality?
And by the way, my wife and I will be at SnF Wed. through Sun. and would love
to get together with other builders.
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Tom Ganster 40778 Tailcone
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I have not seen the first installment of the electronic form of rvator yet. Does
anyone know when the first issue of the year usually comes out and how to access
it?
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Tom Ganster 40778 Tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Tom,
The Van's static port is kind of a love-hate thing. The quality is
not great, because it is just a couple of pop rivets that you pull
part of the way and then drive the nail out. It looks fine on the
outside, but is a little harder to get the hose connected well on the
inside. On the bright side, though, they are very accurate. I think
all of the after-market static ports are now being made so they are
not completely flush with the skin, which caused low airspeed readings
(I can't explain it, but that's what happened). I am pretty sure that
Cleveland Tools modified their original ports that were flush so that
they stick out a little bit now. I don't know the details. The Van's
ports work, and with a little RTV or proseal around the hose on the
inside, you should not have a problem. If you are worried about it,
then a set from Cleveland Tools or some of the other offerings might
be your best bet. Just make sure you don't get a set that is flush
with the skin.
I hope to be at Sun-N-Fun the whole week, or at least most of it. My
cell phone number is on this e-mail, so anybody can feel free to call
and we can find a time to meet.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Feb 23, 2008, at 9:33 PM, tganster wrote:
>
> Has anyone purchased the static ports offered by Vans?
> Are they aluminum? Flush mount? Quality?
> And by the way, my wife and I will be at SnF Wed. through Sun. and
> would love to get together with other builders.
>
> --------
> Tom Ganster 40778 Tailcone
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165871#165871
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static ports |
Tom,
Vans via the plans says to use a pop rivet drilled out...I used Cleavlands ports
but have a set of Safeair ports gaterhing dust since I ordered their kit for
the tubing and had already mounted my ports...I like the safeair static/pitot
kit. IF I had to do it all over I would have gone safeair all the way. They are
a great company to deal with and a good "turn key" product. Nothing against
Cleavland, Their ports are nicely machined like Safeair, just Safeair is a complete
system...I recommend it. But heck who am I///finished the cowl today...SWEET...but
it took almost 60 hours of work, fits like a glove....anybody want
tips... I got em...especially if your using 1/4 turn fasteners instead of hinges.
Glad I'm past that stage now. I plan on being at SNF 8,9 April but plans
may change..
Rick Sked
40185
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---- Original Message -----
From: "tganster" <tganster@mwwb.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:33:51 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Static ports
Has anyone purchased the static ports offered by Vans?
Are they aluminum? Flush mount? Quality?
And by the way, my wife and I will be at SnF Wed. through Sun. and would love
to get together with other builders.
--------
Tom Ganster 40778 Tailcone
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165871#165871
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| Subject: | Re: N410BL Flies! |
Hey Bob, Careful you don't go into that class "G" for garage airspace...I r
emember hanging my tailcone from the garage...prayed the trusses would not
fail until I took it down..
Rick S.
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:41:19 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: N410BL Flies!
Well, at least the empennage..=C2- :^)
With the assistance of the family, we hoisted the empennage using a couple
bicycle hoists.=C2-=C2- Now my wife can get her car back into the garag
e.=C2-=C2- Unfortunately, it=99s a couple days too late.=C2- We
=99ve had freezing rain here the last couple of days.
Bob
#40684
mykitlog.com/rleffler
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Late Feb 08,,, last Van's said..Yeah I know it's already the 23rd...gives thme
a few more days... I still like opening the mailbox and finding the RVator...makes
a long day seem better..
----- Original Message -----
From: "tganster" <tganster@mwwb.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:42:35 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: RVator
I have not seen the first installment of the electronic form of rvator yet. Does
anyone know when the first issue of the year usually comes out and how to access
it?
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Tom Ganster 40778 Tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar |
Sounds like a plan!
Bob
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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 Operatons seminar
I looked at the calendar and we will probably arrive at OSH on the 21 on
Monday again and we can stake out the sites on Tues the 22. If you want
to be the treasurer again, I would be greatful.
Gary
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From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Gary,
>
> I will also be there again early but haven't really done any
planning yet. I
> thought last year worked OK, but if somebody had ideas for
improvements I'm all
> ears.
>
> BTW, last year folks were very generous with their
contributions during our
> various "food nights" and we overachieved a bit... I plan to
use the excess
> collected to partially offset cost for an extra site to give
us more room for
> gathering and socializing for the group.
>
> We can plan more when it gets a little closer.
>
> Bob
>
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