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1. 04:47 AM - Re: Unusual paint ridge around windows (gary)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: Unusual paint ridge around windows (John Gonzalez)
4. 09:29 AM - Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? (Jon Reining)
5. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? (Rene Felker)
6. 12:01 PM - Re: Unusual paint ridge around windows (gary)
7. 12:29 PM - Re: Unusual paint ridge around windows (Neal George)
8. 12:51 PM - Re: Unusual paint ridge around windows (John Testement)
9. 01:07 PM - Re: Unusual paint ridge around windows (Dave Saylor)
10. 02:52 PM - Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? (Chris Johnston)
11. 03:39 PM - Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? (James Hein)
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| Subject: | Unusual paint ridge around windows |
I don't know what caused the ridge, but when I got a crack around one of the
windows on a plane I built 20 years ago that followed the contour of the
window like your's does, I took some pinstripe tape from an auto store and
overlaid it on the crack/ridge in your case/. It hid the crack and I didn't
have to repaint. You might try that and see what you think.
Gary
40274
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:25 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
I think you're right, there must have been a reaction. Let's see, Weld-On,
base resin, plexiglass, West System, Smooth Prime, primer, and Imron...quite
a few volatile chemicals all in close proximity.
I would have thought the overlay would have taken care of that. I did
something similar around the windsheild of mine, but the overlay went on
many months after the bond was cured. Maybe that made a
difference--allowing the bond to cure fully. Also, I used Hysol instead of
WeldOn, just because we use it alot, not because of any other
characteristics.
Wish I had something better to tell you.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
Dave,
The ridge is just over the Weld On seam between the plexi and fiberglass.
Its as though the Weld On expanded when painted over. I used West System
epoxy.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
The ridge looks like it's at the edge of the fiberglass. Is that right, or
is the edge of the fiberglass further from the plex? What type of resin did
you use to overlay the seam?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
I have had an unusual situation with the door windows when painting and want
to see if anyone else has seen a similar problem.
After painting the doors a small ridge developed above the
Plexiglas-fiberglass joint - it is about 1/4 wide and 1/16 high. The area
was level and smooth after priming. I used the Weld On 10 and put a thin
layer of fiberglass over the seam. I then primed with UV SmoothPrime and
primed over that with the Dupont high build primer. All looked good until we
painted the final color and clear coat (Imron). It seems like some kind of
chemical reaction.
Anyone else seen this? Any ideas? Suggestions on how to best fix and avoid
this on the other windows?
I have attached a few photos - a little hard to see the ridge.
Thanks for you input.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting in sections and LOTS of little stuff
2/23/2008 9:35 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? |
CJ,
What happens to Urethane when it burns...what types of gasing off are you
going to get as the foam expands and continues to gas-off. Some applications
of expandables can cause irritation to lungs and soft tissues both immediately
and long term migration.
P
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| Subject: | Unusual paint ridge around windows |
When you guys say you are overlaying glass over the seam, what are you usin
g, what weight of weave, how many laminations? What I am wondering is once
you have done this, are you building up the rest of the cabin top to match
the contour which this overlay has created, or are you sanding the overlay
down so much that it really is much thinner than it was when in full form?
John G. 409
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ist: Unusual paint ridge around windowsDate: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:24:54 -080
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John,
I think you're right, there must have been a reaction. Let's see, Weld-On,
base resin, plexiglass, West System, Smooth Prime, primer, and Imron...qui
te a few volatile chemicals all in close proximity.
I would have thought the overlay would have taken care of that. I did some
thing similar around the windsheild of mine, but the overlay went on many m
onths after the bond was cured. Maybe that made a difference--allowing the
bond to cure fully. Also, I used Hysol instead of WeldOn, just because we
use it alot, not because of any other characteristics.
Wish I had something better to tell you.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John TestementSent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1
2:34 PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint rid
ge around windows
Dave,
The ridge is just over the Weld On seam between the plexi and fiberglass. I
ts as though the Weld On expanded when painted over. I used West System ep
oxy.
John
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave SaylorSent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:26
PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge a
round windows
John,
The ridge looks like it's at the edge of the fiberglass. Is that right, or
is the edge of the fiberglass further from the plex? What type of resin d
id you use to overlay the seam?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of John TestementSent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:
36 PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge aro
und windows
I have had an unusual situation with the door windows when painting and wan
t to see if anyone else has seen a similar problem.
After painting the doors a small ridge developed above the Plexiglas-fiberg
lass joint - it is about 1/4 wide and 1/16 high. The area was level and smo
oth after priming. I used the Weld On 10 and put a thin layer of fiberglass
over the seam. I then primed with UV SmoothPrime and primed over that with
the Dupont high build primer. All looked good until we painted the final c
olor and clear coat (Imron). It seems like some kind of chemical reaction.
Anyone else seen this? Any ideas? Suggestions on how to best fix and avoid
this on the other windows?
I have attached a few photos - a little hard to see the ridge.
Thanks for you input.
John Testementjwt@roadmapscoaching.com40321
Richmond, VAPainting in sections and LOTS of little stuff
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| Subject: | Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? |
I just foamed the walls of my house for insulation and went through a pretty extensive
search. There's a big difference between the open and closed cell foam.
Its looks like you're looking at closed cell foam. The open cell foam tends
to weigh less, but also have a pretty huge expansion factor when its applied.
So I'd definitely stay away from that.
The closed cell foam doesn't expand as much, is denser (and weighs more) but also
adds quite a bit of structural strength.
I ended up going with closed cell foam that is made primarily from soy beans and
had an R value of like 7.5 per inch of foam. As an insulator on a house its
awesome.
So, to apply all this to airplane building... I don't think its entirely crazy,
but I'd be especially careful. Perhaps glass up a simulated door cavity and
try it out and see how you like it.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? |
Just one thought on the foam. You also have to be concerned about water
absorption and UV and heat affects.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Reining
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors?
<jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
I just foamed the walls of my house for insulation and went through a pretty
extensive search. There's a big difference between the open and closed cell
foam. Its looks like you're looking at closed cell foam. The open cell
foam tends to weigh less, but also have a pretty huge expansion factor when
its applied. So I'd definitely stay away from that.
The closed cell foam doesn't expand as much, is denser (and weighs more) but
also adds quite a bit of structural strength.
I ended up going with closed cell foam that is made primarily from soy beans
and had an R value of like 7.5 per inch of foam. As an insulator on a house
its awesome.
So, to apply all this to airplane building... I don't think its entirely
crazy, but I'd be especially careful. Perhaps glass up a simulated door
cavity and try it out and see how you like it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166588#166588
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| Subject: | Unusual paint ridge around windows |
I usually use one layer of about 8 oz and one layer of 4 oz on top of that.
I make it wide enough to cover the joint between the plex and the frame and
to extend up on the plex about 1" and back on the frame at least 2". Yes
you work to make a smooth transition between the glass and the frame with
micro and epoxy. If you want more detailed instructions e-mail me off line.
Gary
40274
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
When you guys say you are overlaying glass over the seam, what are you
using, what weight of weave, how many laminations? What I am wondering is
once you have done this, are you building up the rest of the cabin top to
match the contour which this overlay has created, or are you sanding the
overlay down so much that it really is much thinner than it was when in full
form?
John G. 409
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From: Dave@AirCraftersLLC.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
I think you're right, there must have been a reaction. Let's see, Weld-On,
base resin, plexiglass, West System, Smooth Prime, primer, and Imron...quite
a few volatile chemicals all in close proximity.
I would have thought the overlay would have taken care of that. I did
something similar around the windsheild of mine, but the overlay went on
many months after the bond was cured. Maybe that made a
difference--allowing the bond to cure fully. Also, I used Hysol instead of
WeldOn, just because we use it alot, not because of any other
characteristics.
Wish I had something better to tell you.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
Dave,
The ridge is just over the Weld On seam between the plexi and fiberglass.
Its as though the Weld On expanded when painted over. I used West System
epoxy.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
The ridge looks like it's at the edge of the fiberglass. Is that right, or
is the edge of the fiberglass further from the plex? What type of resin did
you use to overlay the seam?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
I have had an unusual situation with the door windows when painting and want
to see if anyone else has seen a similar problem.
After painting the doors a small ridge developed above the
Plexiglas-fiberglass joint - it is about 1/4 wide and 1/16 high. The area
was level and smooth after priming. I used the Weld On 10 and put a thin
layer of fiberglass over the seam. I then primed with UV SmoothPrime and
primed over that with the Dupont high build primer. All looked good until we
painted the final color and clear coat (Imron). It seems like some kind of
chemical reaction.
Anyone else seen this? Any ideas? Suggestions on how to best fix and avoid
this on the other windows?
I have attached a few photos - a little hard to see the ridge.
Thanks for you input.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting in sections and LOTS of little stuff
2/23/2008 9:35 PM
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| Subject: | Unusual paint ridge around windows |
GRENADE !
(sorry - couldn't help it)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
I usually use one layer of about 8 oz and one layer of 4 oz on top of that.
I make it wide enough to cover the joint between the plex and the frame and
to extend up on the plex about 1" and back on the frame at least 2". Yes
you work to make a smooth transition between the glass and the frame with
micro and epoxy. If you want more detailed instructions e-mail me off line.
Gary
40274
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
When you guys say you are overlaying glass over the seam, what are you
using, what weight of weave, how many laminations? What I am wondering is
once you have done this, are you building up the rest of the cabin top to
match the contour which this overlay has created, or are you sanding the
overlay down so much that it really is much thinner than it was when in full
form?
John G. 409
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From: Dave@AirCraftersLLC.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
I think you're right, there must have been a reaction. Let's see, Weld-On,
base resin, plexiglass, West System, Smooth Prime, primer, and Imron...quite
a few volatile chemicals all in close proximity.
I would have thought the overlay would have taken care of that. I did
something similar around the windsheild of mine, but the overlay went on
many months after the bond was cured. Maybe that made a
difference--allowing the bond to cure fully. Also, I used Hysol instead of
WeldOn, just because we use it alot, not because of any other
characteristics.
Wish I had something better to tell you.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
Dave,
The ridge is just over the Weld On seam between the plexi and fiberglass.
Its as though the Weld On expanded when painted over. I used West System
epoxy.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
The ridge looks like it's at the edge of the fiberglass. Is that right, or
is the edge of the fiberglass further from the plex? What type of resin did
you use to overlay the seam?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
I have had an unusual situation with the door windows when painting and want
to see if anyone else has seen a similar problem.
After painting the doors a small ridge developed above the
Plexiglas-fiberglass joint - it is about 1/4 wide and 1/16 high. The area
was level and smooth after priming. I used the Weld On 10 and put a thin
layer of fiberglass over the seam. I then primed with UV SmoothPrime and
primed over that with the Dupont high build primer. All looked good until we
painted the final color and clear coat (Imron). It seems like some kind of
chemical reaction.
Anyone else seen this? Any ideas? Suggestions on how to best fix and avoid
this on the other windows?
I have attached a few photos - a little hard to see the ridge.
Thanks for you input.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting in sections and LOTS of little stuff
2/23/2008 9:35 PM
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| Subject: | Unusual paint ridge around windows |
I have just been using one layer of the lightest weight glass I can find (I
think 1oz). I have to be careful not to sand through it.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
When you guys say you are overlaying glass over the seam, what are you
using, what weight of weave, how many laminations? What I am wondering is
once you have done this, are you building up the rest of the cabin top to
match the contour which this overlay has created, or are you sanding the
overlay down so much that it really is much thinner than it was when in full
form?
John G. 409
_____
From: Dave@AirCraftersLLC.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
I think you're right, there must have been a reaction. Let's see, Weld-On,
base resin, plexiglass, West System, Smooth Prime, primer, and Imron...quite
a few volatile chemicals all in close proximity.
I would have thought the overlay would have taken care of that. I did
something similar around the windsheild of mine, but the overlay went on
many months after the bond was cured. Maybe that made a
difference--allowing the bond to cure fully. Also, I used Hysol instead of
WeldOn, just because we use it alot, not because of any other
characteristics.
Wish I had something better to tell you.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
Dave,
The ridge is just over the Weld On seam between the plexi and fiberglass.
Its as though the Weld On expanded when painted over. I used West System
epoxy.
John
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
The ridge looks like it's at the edge of the fiberglass. Is that right, or
is the edge of the fiberglass further from the plex? What type of resin did
you use to overlay the seam?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
I have had an unusual situation with the door windows when painting and want
to see if anyone else has seen a similar problem.
After painting the doors a small ridge developed above the
Plexiglas-fiberglass joint - it is about 1/4 wide and 1/16 high. The area
was level and smooth after priming. I used the Weld On 10 and put a thin
layer of fiberglass over the seam. I then primed with UV SmoothPrime and
primed over that with the Dupont high build primer. All looked good until we
painted the final color and clear coat (Imron). It seems like some kind of
chemical reaction.
Anyone else seen this? Any ideas? Suggestions on how to best fix and avoid
this on the other windows?
I have attached a few photos - a little hard to see the ridge.
Thanks for you input.
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
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That's pretty light material. Next time (??) try something like 7781 which
is about 8 oz as Gary suggested. Two layers of that should work fine and
tolerate some pretty significant body work.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
I have just been using one layer of the lightest weight glass I can find (I
think 1oz). I have to be careful not to sand through it.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
When you guys say you are overlaying glass over the seam, what are you
using, what weight of weave, how many laminations? What I am wondering is
once you have done this, are you building up the rest of the cabin top to
match the contour which this overlay has created, or are you sanding the
overlay down so much that it really is much thinner than it was when in full
form?
John G. 409
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From: Dave@AirCraftersLLC.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
I think you're right, there must have been a reaction. Let's see, Weld-On,
base resin, plexiglass, West System, Smooth Prime, primer, and Imron...quite
a few volatile chemicals all in close proximity.
I would have thought the overlay would have taken care of that. I did
something similar around the windsheild of mine, but the overlay went on
many months after the bond was cured. Maybe that made a
difference--allowing the bond to cure fully. Also, I used Hysol instead of
WeldOn, just because we use it alot, not because of any other
characteristics.
Wish I had something better to tell you.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
Dave,
The ridge is just over the Weld On seam between the plexi and fiberglass.
Its as though the Weld On expanded when painted over. I used West System
epoxy.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
John,
The ridge looks like it's at the edge of the fiberglass. Is that right, or
is the edge of the fiberglass further from the plex? What type of resin did
you use to overlay the seam?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Unusual paint ridge around windows
I have had an unusual situation with the door windows when painting and want
to see if anyone else has seen a similar problem.
After painting the doors a small ridge developed above the
Plexiglas-fiberglass joint - it is about 1/4 wide and 1/16 high. The area
was level and smooth after priming. I used the Weld On 10 and put a thin
layer of fiberglass over the seam. I then primed with UV SmoothPrime and
primed over that with the Dupont high build primer. All looked good until we
painted the final color and clear coat (Imron). It seems like some kind of
chemical reaction.
Anyone else seen this? Any ideas? Suggestions on how to best fix and avoid
this on the other windows?
I have attached a few photos - a little hard to see the ridge.
Thanks for you input.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
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| Subject: | Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? |
Thanks for all the input everyone. Sometimes I get nutty ideas while
I'm sitting here at work, and I need people to tell me they're nutty.
Sheesh. It's not like I don't have other building tasks to work on :)
I'll just build on, and forgo the foam-core-door idea.
cj
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| Subject: | Re: Urethane pourable expanding foam in doors? |
If the doors catch fire, just open the door handle and the door disappears!
-Jim 40384
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> CJ,
>
> What happens to Urethane when it burns...what types of gasing off are
> you going to get as the foam expands and continues to gas-off. Some
> applications of expandables can cause irritation to lungs and soft
> tissues both immediately and long term migration.
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