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1. 08:32 AM - eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier (tomhanaway)
2. 10:24 AM - Re: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier (Les Kearney)
3. 10:25 AM - Re: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier ()
4. 12:18 PM - Re: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
5. 12:20 PM - engine question (Damon Wack)
6. 12:27 PM - Re: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
7. 12:56 PM - Re: engine question (Pascal)
8. 08:03 PM - Re: engine question (Kelly McMullen)
9. 09:26 PM - Handy HF Stapler (off topic) (Bill Reining)
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| Subject: | eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier |
I posted this over on VAF forums but thought I'd put it here since the readership
is slightly different.
I've ordered a 3.6L turbo for my rv-10. The one thing I'm having trouble with is
the idea of sole supplier or possible orphan status of the engine/psru/turbo
etc.
I really like Jan's subaru concept and definitely not looking to bash in any way.
If he should suddenly go out of business or no longer be available to provide psru's,
what are the alternatives for those that have puchased this package?
I understand with a lycoming/clone that there are several alternative suppliers,
any thoughts or comments?
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
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| Subject: | eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier |
Hi Tom
I also have a 3.6L Turbo on order (in fact it is in his shop as we speak!).
Undoubtedly, this is a risk that everyone that orders on of Jan's engines
has to accept. Personally, I don't see this risk as being significant
(that's why I have ordered an engine).
The worst case scenario is that you have to retrofit a Lycoming or similar
engine. Best case if Jan folds is you have to buy parts from someone else
that has one of his engines that no longer is flying. Personally, I am not
sure I would go this route.
Anyway, I have met Jan a few times and have seen his shop. In my opinion he
is a very straightforward person. I have no hesitation dealing with him or
buying one of his engines.
Like the man said "You pays your money and takes your chances".
Cheers
Les Kearney
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
Sent: February-28-08 9:30 AM
Subject: RV10-List: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier
I posted this over on VAF forums but thought I'd put it here since the
readership is slightly different.
I've ordered a 3.6L turbo for my rv-10. The one thing I'm having trouble
with is the idea of sole supplier or possible orphan status of the
engine/psru/turbo etc.
I really like Jan's subaru concept and definitely not looking to bash in any
way.
If he should suddenly go out of business or no longer be available to
provide psru's, what are the alternatives for those that have puchased this
package?
I understand with a lycoming/clone that there are several alternative
suppliers, any thoughts or comments?
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166747#166747
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| Subject: | Re: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier |
I fully understand your anxiety. Not bashing Jan or his company in any way, this
is one of the reasons I decided not to pursue an Egg for my RV-10. This,
along with education I received in assisting Dan, it became very apparent that
experimenting with alternative engines required more skill and experience than
I have.
I chose to go a more conservative approach to go with an engine that I can get
assistance from the local FBO if needed.
I haven't made my final decision on vendor and probably won't until around Airventure
time. The good news is that there are plenty to choose from offering very
similiar products.
>
> From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@comcast.net>
> Date: 2008/02/28 Thu AM 11:29:48 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier
>
>
> I posted this over on VAF forums but thought I'd put it here since the readership
is slightly different.
>
> I've ordered a 3.6L turbo for my rv-10. The one thing I'm having trouble with
is the idea of sole supplier or possible orphan status of the engine/psru/turbo
etc.
>
> I really like Jan's subaru concept and definitely not looking to bash in any
way.
>
> If he should suddenly go out of business or no longer be available to provide
psru's, what are the alternatives for those that have puchased this package?
>
> I understand with a lycoming/clone that there are several alternative suppliers,
any thoughts or comments?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hanaway
>
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| Subject: | Re: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier |
In a message dated 2/28/2008 10:35:54 AM Central Standard Time,
tomhanaway@comcast.net writes:
I understand with a lycoming/clone that there are several alternative
suppliers, any thoughts or comments?
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
you put down your money and you take your chances...after all it's
experimental...so you are the builder and can make any part for your aircraft...
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Hey all, I have been lurking on the list for a month or so, I'm
interested in building a 10, and obviously have many questions. I live
in FL and plan on being at Sun N' Fun to ask most of them, but the
engine thread compels me to ask, with the threat of avgas disappearing
sometime in the future, is anybody considering a diesel engine? Do
they make a 260 hp diesel or comparable yet? I have heard a few are
out there, French manufacture I believe, but know next to nothing of
these
Thanks in advance!
Damon
ps. Hey Chris, I got the Apple TV and I am very happy! Thanks for all
your help! Enjoyed your website as well, nice job!
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| Subject: | Re: eggenfellner engine ordered-concerns about sole supplier |
I really think one of the only concerns one would have with an experimental
engine would be if you have an engine problem away from your base, it may be
hard for a while to find an A&P that would want to work on it and sign your
log if you were not capable of doing the work or didn't have tools, etc.
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| Subject: | Re: engine question |
Those French you mention (SMAengines) wont do anything unless Van's agrees
to be a distributor, aka they are not interested in selling to individuals.
I know there was a few others but as far as I know none really as in
production for the experimental market. I figure there are way too many
engines out there for there to be a short term issue on fuel use.
Welcome aboard! Make sure you find Jesse when you're at SnF, he'll be a
great asset if you do.
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Wack" <dwack@flbb.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: engine question
>
> Hey all, I have been lurking on the list for a month or so, I'm interested
> in building a 10, and obviously have many questions. I live in FL and
> plan on being at Sun N' Fun to ask most of them, but the engine thread
> compels me to ask, with the threat of avgas disappearing sometime in the
> future, is anybody considering a diesel engine? Do they make a 260 hp
> diesel or comparable yet? I have heard a few are out there, French
> manufacture I believe, but know next to nothing of these
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Damon
>
> ps. Hey Chris, I got the Apple TV and I am very happy! Thanks for all
> your help! Enjoyed your website as well, nice job!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine question |
If you wanted to hedge your bets, you can control the compression and
either go with
235 or 250hp engine, with plenty of margin for 96 UL fuel. Heck, 260
should have no trouble with it.
Only the 300 hp versions of the engine and turbo engines really need 100 octane.
Avgas won't disappear, but it may lose lead and octane.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Damon Wack <dwack@flbb.net> wrote:
>
> Hey all, I have been lurking on the list for a month or so, I'm
> interested in building a 10, and obviously have many questions. I live
> in FL and plan on being at Sun N' Fun to ask most of them, but the
> engine thread compels me to ask, with the threat of avgas disappearing
> sometime in the future, is anybody considering a diesel engine? Do
> they make a 260 hp diesel or comparable yet? I have heard a few are
> out there, French manufacture I believe, but know next to nothing of
> these
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Damon
>
> ps. Hey Chris, I got the Apple TV and I am very happy! Thanks for all
> your help! Enjoyed your website as well, nice job!
>
>
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| Subject: | Handy HF Stapler (off topic) |
Just thought I'd put in a plug for the pneumatic Harbor Freight "1/2 inch Crown
Stapler", number 46365. I bought one for $30 to attach Tyvek to the exterior
of the sheathing around the carport I'm converting to a garage (RV-10 workshop.)
It works like a champ. It does not have any safety, so it doesn't matter
whether the tool is against anything - if you pull the trigger it fires a staple.
So you have to be a little careful. But it has been firing 1/2 inch long
staples into 1/2 inch thick OSB and fir 2x4's with no problem. To top it off,
I discovered when I unloaded a bag of HF pneumatic couplers I purchased yesterday,
they had included a little book of retail store coupons, with one for
this tool discounted to $10 (valid 3/12 to 3/30). I'm happy to have found it
for $30, but some of you may wish to take advantage of this deal. I do not work
for HF, nor own any of their stock - just thought I'd pass on what appears
to be a bargain.
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Bill (and Jon) Reining
40514
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