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1. 07:22 AM - Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set (Rick Barnes)
2. 08:01 AM - Lower Cowl Mounts (Vernon Smith)
3. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set (Robin Marks)
4. 08:38 AM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Tim Olson)
5. 09:33 AM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Rick Sked)
6. 09:56 AM - Re: engine question (aerodiesel) (Eric Parlow)
7. 10:11 AM - Doors (Fred Williams, M.D.)
8. 12:23 PM - Re: Jacking up the -10 (jim berry)
9. 12:38 PM - Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set (Steven DiNieri)
10. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Jesse Saint)
11. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Chris Johnston)
12. 01:26 PM - baggage floor access plate for step (Ben Westfall)
13. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley)
14. 01:41 PM - Re: Jacking up the -10 (jim berry)
15. 01:50 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Dave Saylor)
16. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Rick Sked)
17. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley)
18. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Steven DiNieri)
19. 02:16 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Vernon Smith)
20. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley)
21. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Chris Johnston)
22. 02:20 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Vernon Smith)
23. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley)
24. 02:30 PM - Traveling counter sink (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
25. 02:43 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (PJ Seipel)
26. 02:46 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (PJ Seipel)
27. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley)
28. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Tim Olson)
29. 03:13 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (orchidman)
30. 03:26 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Scott Schmidt)
31. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Robert Wright)
32. 04:23 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Tim Olson)
33. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Rick Sked)
34. 04:30 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Robin Marks)
35. 04:32 PM - Sun N Fun (Rick Sked)
36. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Rick Sked)
37. 04:49 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Deems Davis)
38. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Deems Davis)
39. 05:31 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Ben Westfall)
40. 06:29 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Bob-tcw)
41. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Kelly McMullen)
42. 06:53 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Jesse Saint)
43. 07:25 PM - Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Lew Gallagher)
44. 07:35 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Steven DiNieri)
45. 07:41 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (orchidman)
46. 07:52 PM - Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set (Lew Gallagher)
47. 07:54 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (David McNeill)
48. 08:08 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Deems Davis)
49. 09:12 PM - lessons learned installing plexiglas with Weld-on 10 (eagerlee)
50. 09:18 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Rick Sked)
51. 09:21 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Rick Sked)
52. 11:46 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set |
Mike Howe and I just installed the after market Rivethead door pin guide
set. We didn't receive any info on the installation from Rivethead. We
used the plastic ones supplied by Van's to mark the holes in the frame. The
new guides didn't line up exactly with Van's. We had to do some
drilling/sanding of the guide to get the pins to fit. Once modified they
seem to hold the door very tight. We don't know how the weather stripping
will affect the fit. We're miles away from that part of the finishing. I
hope this helped some.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set
Thanks Robin, not hearing any complaints it actually great feedback.
Thanks!
Pascal
To be clear I know RH Aero takes months so since I am months away I know I
should order them now if I want them by Christmas ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set
Pascal, ours work great but the engine was just hung and the front
windscreen has not been installed. Same with the prop, spinner, cowl. Not
really real world feedback but the best I can do.
Robin
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| Subject: | Lower Cowl Mounts |
Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on replac
ing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these modified mou
nts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 countersunk screws a
nd nut plates used? And finally what was the mounting plate made from?
Thanks,
Vern Smith (#324)
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set |
Lew,
The only weather stripping we have is on our inner console, we used Door
Seals for the doors and it took some significant modifications to the
door frame to properly install the door seals. The end result is
fantastic but I am sure there are better door seal choices available.
Yes we drilled & tapped the hinge for 6-32 screws. There is no reason
that fiberglass will not work but we chose aluminum because we could
bend the edges down slightly so they will lay in the recess tightly and
not flex up. Plus we plan to probably powder coat to match other items
we will be powder coating.
One of the mods you did not mention is the fiberglass inner door gap
cover that allows the door seal to make complete contact. We believe
this will make for a quieter & less drafty cockpit.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/doors.htm
Good luck,
Robin
>>>Hey Robin,
Thanks for the door pictures. We just installed the hinges yesterday.
Even trying to pay attention to the unique orientation, I still managed
to get one set on reversed fore and aft!
Here's a couple of questions:
1) It looks on one picture that you have weather stripping installed?
Still fit? I had thought of temporarily attaching the weather strip
with something less sticky than "Gorilla Snot" to get the fit right
before final installing. Weather strip goes on after painting?
2) Did you just drill and tap the canopy hinge to attach the covers? I
had thought of using the scrap fiberglass from the window cutouts
instead of metal.
Later, - Lew
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NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes,
they're holding up great for people, and there are
some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up
if they wish) who didn't install them until after they
had issues with the hinges. But, there really are
no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really
secure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Vernon Smith wrote:
> Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on
> replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these
> modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10
> countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the
> mounting plate made from?
> Thanks,
>
> Vern Smith (#324)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.
Rick Sked
40185
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From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes,
they're holding up great for people, and there are
some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up
if they wish) who didn't install them until after they
had issues with the hinges. But, there really are
no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really
secure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Vernon Smith wrote:
> Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on
> replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these
> modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10
> countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the
> mounting plate made from?
> Thanks,
>
> Vern Smith (#324)
>
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| Subject: | engine question (aerodiesel) |
For info on aerodiesel engines see:
www.dieselair.com
ERic--
RV-10, 40014
N104EP
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> From: dwack@flbb.net> Subject: RV10-List: en
gine question> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:17:55 -0500> > is anybody consider
ing a diesel engine?
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Robin;
Great pics and write up on the finer points of the doors.
What door seal material are you using?
Fred Williams
40515
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
To all,
Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before
the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and
fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings.
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set |
One of the problems i found was the way they mounted from the backside which
made it difficult to mount and adjust. i made a similar part but made it
screw in from the front. i fabbed a backplate with platenuts and ovaled out
the holes in the doorframe to allow future adjustments.
steve dinieri
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set
Thanks Robin, not hearing any complaints it actually great feedback.
Thanks!
Pascal
To be clear I know RH Aero takes months so since I am months away I know I
should order them now if I want them by Christmas ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com> Marks
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set
Pascal, ours work great but the engine was just hung and the front
windscreen has not been installed. Same with the prop, spinner, cowl. Not
really real world feedback but the best I can do.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
With or without the engine? If without, then using a jack/stand on
the engine mount and one on the tail tie down base and then something
to stable it works. With the engine, then you could possible use an
engine hoist to hold up the front and a jack/stand on the tail, also
with something to stabilize it.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 3, 2008, at 3:20 PM, jim berry wrote:
>
> To all,
>
> Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed
> fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage
> off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings.
>
> Jim Berry
> 40482
> N15JB(reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
I went down to harbor freight, and they were having a sale on lift
tables. I bought one, modified it a bit, and it worked like a charm.
See here:
http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Landing_Gear.
html
it was just the ticket for doing the wheelpants and gear leg fairings.
I used a heavy duty saw horse under the tail, and adjusted the height so
that the aircraft was level.
cj
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim berry
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
To all,
Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed
fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off
the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB(reserved)
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| Subject: | baggage floor access plate for step |
I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that would
allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done this? What
are some thoughts on it? Pictures?
-Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Jesse,
The engine and prop are on. I thought about using my engine hoist to lift the fuselage,
but am reluctant to hang all the weight from the engine mount or the
engine lifting ring.
cj,
The link to your landing gear does not work, and I could not find the table you
mentioned searching manually.
Jim Berry
40482
N16JB(reserved)
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| Subject: | baggage floor access plate for step |
Ben,
I'd show you a picture of the hole through the baggage floor, but it got
covered up by the side panel. Doh.
Next time I'll put a nutplate on the top of the step socket and put the bolt
in from the bottom, through the belly.
This is by no means overkill. We've replaced a few RV steps for one reason
or another.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step
I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that would
allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done this? What
are some thoughts on it? Pictures?
-Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Thats a great but TINY picture...can you descibe what the jack is pushing o
n and how it's attached to the gear.
Rick Sked
40185
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From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 1:36:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
Jim,
=C2-Here is how I do it...
----- Original Message -----
From: jim berry
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
To all,
Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fusela
ge before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the whee
ls and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings.
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself and
leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position to ensure
alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i started to
think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel pant there was a
difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to affect trim flight....
steve dinieri
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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
Her is how I do it...
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From: jim <mailto:jimberry@qwest.net> berry
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
To all,
Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed
fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the
wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB(reserved)
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| Subject: | baggage floor access plate for step |
Slick idea!
Vern Smith (#324)
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ist: baggage floor access plate for stepDate: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:49:23 -080
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Ben,
I'd show you a picture of the hole through the baggage floor, but it got co
vered up by the side panel. Doh.
Next time I'll put a nutplate on the top of the step socket and put the bol
t in from the bottom, through the belly.
This is by no means overkill. We've replaced a few RV steps for one reason
or another.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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Hi Rick,=0A=0AYes, I welded a bolt at about a 45 degree angle to
a cut piece of galvanized pipe, and covered it with epoxy and micro-b
alloons. Wrapped the inside of the pipe with a strip of inter-tube to
prevent scratching and to add friction. The bolt fits in a hole drille
d in the top of the scissor jack (from Kragens). Using an electric dri
ll with a "tee" makes for easy jacking.=0A=0ARoger=0A -----
Original Message ----- =0A From: Rick Sked<mailto:ricksked@embarq
mail.com> =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matroni
cs.com> =0A Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:49 PM=0A Subject: R
e: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A Thats a great
but TINY picture...can you descibe what the jack is pushing on and how
it's attached to the gear.=0A=0A Rick Sked=0A=0A 40185
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, 2008 1:36:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles=0A Subject: Re: R
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Here is how I do it...=0A=0A ----- Original Message -----
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To all,=0A=0A Has anyone developed a good method to jack an
d support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want
to raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before m
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Oops. The link wrapped to the next page. Try this
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Landing_Gear.html
if it wrapped to the next line again, just make sure the .html is on
there
or go to the finishing section, and select "landing gear"
cj
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim berry
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
Jesse,
The engine and prop are on. I thought about using my engine hoist to
lift the fuselage, but am reluctant to hang all the weight from the
engine mount or the engine lifting ring.
cj,
The link to your landing gear does not work, and I could not find the
table you mentioned searching manually.
Jim Berry
40482
N16JB(reserved)
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| Subject: | Lower Cowl Mounts |
Tim & Rick,
Thanks for the replies!
Vern Smith (#324 finishing?)do not archive
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:30:36 -0500> From: ricksked@embarqmail.com> To:
rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts> > --> R
V10-List message posted by: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>> > I made m
ine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.> > Rick Sked>
40185> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>> To
: rv10-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800
) America/Los_Angeles> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts> > --> RV1
0-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>> > Not countersunk scr
ews....round head screws. Yes,> they're holding up great for people, and th
ere are> some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up> if they w
ish) who didn't install them until after they> had issues with the hinges.
But, there really are> no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really>
secure.> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> > > > Vernon Smith wrote:>
> Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on > >
replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these > > m
odified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 > > count
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Rick, here is another pic of the "gear grabber. After cutting the pipe
, open it up to allow it to slide over the gear near the wheel but tig
hten against the gear leg as it is raised toward the fuselage.=0A
=0A=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Roger S
tandley<mailto:taildragon@msn.com> =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com
<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008
2:15 PM=0A Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A
=0A=0A =EF=BB =0A Hi Rick,=0A=0A Yes, I welded a bol
t at about a 45 degree angle to a cut piece of galvanized pipe, and co
vered it with epoxy and micro-balloons. Wrapped the inside of the pipe
with a strip of inter-tube to prevent scratching and to add friction.
The bolt fits in a hole drilled in the top of the scissor jack (from
Kragens). Using an electric drill with a "tee" makes for easy jacking
=0A=0A Roger=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A F
rom: Rick Sked<mailto:ricksked@embarqmail.com> =0A To: rv10-list
@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Monday,
March 03, 2008 1:49 PM=0A Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking u
p the -10=0A=0A=0A Thats a great but TINY picture...can yo
u descibe what the jack is pushing on and how it's attached to the gea
r.=0A=0A Rick Sked=0A=0A 40185=0A ----- Origin
al Message -----=0A From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com<m
ailto:taildragon@msn.com>>=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto
:rv10-list@matronics.com>=0A Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 1:36:02
PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles=0A Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re
: Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A=0A Jim,=0A Here is
how I do it...=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A
From: jim berry<mailto:jimberry@qwest.net> =0A To: rv10-li
st@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Mon
day, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM=0A Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jackin
jim berry" <jimberry@qwest.net<mailto:jimberry@qwest.net>>=0A=0A
To all,=0A=0A Has anyone developed a good method to j
ack and support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached.
I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants be
fore mounting the wings.=0A=0A Jim Berry=0A 40482
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| Subject: | Traveling counter sink |
Y'all should include a traveling signature sheet with that traveling
shared counter sink tool for the cabin roof.
Each person can sign the sheet and stick a photo of them and/or their
fuselage in the envelope before sending it on to the next person.
By Oshkosh 2009, it might be an interesting collection of names and
places!
TDT
40025
Wheel Fairings done!
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: baggage floor access plate for step |
I used the parts for the stall warning horn access panel. I had to
drill the bolt hole in the steps from the side, however, to be able to
get the bolt in because of how I oriented the access panel. If you
rotate it to the right about 30 degrees or so, I believe you can still
put the bolt in per the plans.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that
> would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done
> this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures?
>
>
>
> -Ben
>
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: baggage floor access plate for step |
Sorry, forgot the picture.
PJ Seipel
PJ Seipel wrote:
> I used the parts for the stall warning horn access panel. I had to
> drill the bolt hole in the steps from the side, however, to be able to
> get the bolt in because of how I oriented the access panel. If you
> rotate it to the right about 30 degrees or so, I believe you can still
> put the bolt in per the plans.
>
> PJ Seipel
> RV-10 #40032
>
>
> Ben Westfall wrote:
>>
>> I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that
>> would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done
>> this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Hi Steve,=0A=0AYou are right. When we did the wheel pants, we le
t the gear "sag", but it didn't sag much. We braced from the spar carr
y-thru and fitted the wheel pants.=0A=0A=0A ----- Original M
essage ----- =0A From: Steven DiNieri<mailto:capsteve@adelphia.net
> =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
=0A Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:11 PM=0A Subject: RE: RV10-
List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A when you install the w
heel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself and leave the gear l
egs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position to ensure alignment
with the airflow. i had one already installed when i started to think
about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel pant there was
a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to affect trim flig
ht.... =0A steve dinieri=0A=0A=0A=0A------------------
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om: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
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rch 03, 2008 4:55 PM=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com=0A Sub
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=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
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est.net>>=0A=0A To all,=0A=0A Has anyone develop
ed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before the
wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and f
it the wheel pants before mounting the wings.=0A=0A Jim Ber
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Actually, I think that's the Per-plans way...you're supposed to
let the gear hang and align the fairings while they're in the
in-flight hanging position.
Tim
Steven DiNieri wrote:
> when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself
> and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position
> to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i
> started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel
> pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to
> affect trim flight....
> steve dinieri
>
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| Subject: | Re: baggage floor access plate for step |
seipel(at)seznam.cz wrote:
> I used the parts for the stall warning horn access panel.PJ Seipel
> RV-10 #40032
I did a similar thing but probably would do it differently next time (there had
better never be a next time) [Laughing] I mounted my covers close enough that
you can pull the bolt straight out or put it in. After I did all of this,
I realized that the side panels will cover half of the plates. So the side panels
will not be riveted in place until the very end. If I have to ever remove/replace
the steps, it will be about a half dozen pop rivets that will have to
be drilled out and then the places will be able to be unscrewed giving access
to the step mounting bolts.
I have some early pictures at
http://www.wingscc.com/N410GB/30-StepInstal/30-StepInstallation.html
I am so far behind at keeping my pictures up to date and I don't have any of the
later ones on the web yet.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification I would like to make.
I've already lost 2 eyelets.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes,
they're holding up great for people, and there are
some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up
if they wish) who didn't install them until after they
had issues with the hinges. But, there really are
no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really
secure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Vernon Smith wrote:
Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on
replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these
modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10
countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the
mounting plate made from?
Thanks,
Vern Smith (#324)
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Two or three pallets with the top one covered with a carpet scrap. Then use various
shims to ensure level across the fuselage. That ws my method and it seemed
fine, especially after dropping many plumb lines and square lines on the floor
to cross-check in-plane.
Rob Wright
#392
looking at a LOT of sanding when I do the body prep for the door-canopy prep.
Just didn't seem to cure flush even after many many clamps held it correctly.
But I DID hang then engine today!
----- Original Message ----
From: jim berry <jimberry@qwest.net>
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 3:20:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
To all,
Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before
the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and
fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB(reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
Hi Scott,
This will show you some photos. Here's a page with some photos towards
the bottom:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050911/index.html
Here are a couple other ones for you too:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050918/index.html
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050911/RV200509110038.html
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050918/RV200509120004.html
I used some heavier stock when I did mine, and I put a plate on the
fuselage side, and then another plate on the cowl side that is
"permanent" to give the cowl more backing.
Not sure the thickness anymore, but maybe .063 like Rick said. It
seems it was about the same as the thickness of the panel material.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Scott Schmidt wrote:
>
> Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification I would like to make.
I've already lost 2 eyelets.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Very cool, I was looking for a way to jack mine easily from the gear, I hav
e mine on Harbor Freight dollys and I can see using them once flying to get
the most from our hangar space=C2-(Bob Kauffman and I) we have 3500 SF a
nd rent out what we don't need. The dollys allow us to move the aircraft ea
sily into the corners...we inconvience ourselves but not our tenants...look
s like an aerolift may be on the way. Hangar space at North Las Vegas is sp
arce...we are lucky to own the facility we have. Once the fly off is done a
nd the fairings are on for good I'll have to jack from the wing tie down to
put it on the dollys...small price to pay for "free" hangar space.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:15:26 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
=EF=BB
Hi Rick,
Yes, I welded a bolt at about a 45 degree angle to a cut piece of galvanize
d pipe, and covered it with epoxy and micro-balloons. Wrapped the inside of
the pipe with a strip of inter-tube to prevent scratching and to add frict
ion. The bolt fits in a hole drilled in the top of the scissor jack (from K
ragens). Using an electric drill with a "tee"=C2- makes for easy jacking.
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Sked
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
Thats a great but TINY picture...can you descibe what the jack is pushing o
n and how it's attached to the gear.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Standley" < taildragon@msn.com >
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 1:36:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
Jim,
=C2-Here is how I do it...
----- Original Message -----
From: jim berry
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
To all,
Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fusela
ge before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the whee
ls and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB(reserved)
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| Subject: | baggage floor access plate for step |
Ben,
I think it's an excellent idea especially when working
around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance
because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your
already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more.
We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be
removable in case the PC didn't hold up. Additionally mine are removal
for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
Robin
Photos Attached
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What's the head count for Sun N Fun? I'll be there noon on the 8th, leaving Early
Friday the 11th. Via commercial airlines. I'm staying at the Marriot Village
in Orlando, about a 45 minute drive but nice if you have family (I don't) that
can play at the parks while you go to the show. I really liked it last year...pretty
laid back and well...fun. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Correctomundo Tim,
The gear needs to be in the relaxed or "flight" position to align the fairings,
but I hear Deems is putting hydraulic actuated, electrically controlled gyroscopic
stabilized fairings on his to adjust for adverse yaw and to center the ball
in cruise, all tied to that mast thingy he was talking about six months ago.
Just a rumor though...from the Skunk Works.
Rick Sked
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:53:03 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
Actually, I think that's the Per-plans way...you're supposed to
let the gear hang and align the fairings while they're in the
in-flight hanging position.
Tim
Steven DiNieri wrote:
> when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself
> and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position
> to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i
> started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel
> pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to
> affect trim flight....
> steve dinieri
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd)
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/slides/DSC04175.html
I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that it doesn't
stick out and interfere with the air exiting the lower cowl. (A John Cox
suggestion)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Scott Schmidt wrote:
>
> Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification I would like to make.
I've already lost 2 eyelets.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
>
>
> Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes,
> they're holding up great for people, and there are
> some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up
> if they wish) who didn't install them until after they
> had issues with the hinges. But, there really are
> no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really
> secure.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Vernon Smith wrote:
> Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on
> replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these
> modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10
> countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the
> mounting plate made from?
> Thanks,
>
> Vern Smith (#324)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
Darn !!! there you go again, blowing my surprise!!!
Deems
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Rick Sked wrote:
>
> Correctomundo Tim,
>
> The gear needs to be in the relaxed or "flight" position to align the fairings,
but I hear Deems is putting hydraulic actuated, electrically controlled gyroscopic
stabilized fairings on his to adjust for adverse yaw and to center the
ball in cruise, all tied to that mast thingy he was talking about six months
ago. Just a rumor though...from the Skunk Works.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:53:03 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
>
>
> Actually, I think that's the Per-plans way...you're supposed to
> let the gear hang and align the fairings while they're in the
> in-flight hanging position.
> Tim
>
>
> Steven DiNieri wrote:
>
>> when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself
>> and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position
>> to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i
>> started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel
>> pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to
>> affect trim flight....
>> steve dinieri
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | baggage floor access plate for step |
That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there
room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift
the bolt up?
-Ben
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step
Ben,
I think it's an excellent idea especially when working around
the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you
will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender
shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated
our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC
didn't hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch
out Bearcat!
Robin
Photos Attached
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I'll be at Sun-n-Fun all week. TCW Technologies has an outdoor booth
at spot N-96 this year. We'll have a Safety-Trim Tent set up with demo
units and with just a little bit of luck a new product announcement!
I look forward to meeting the many builders who have become Safety-Trim
customers.
Best regards,
Bob Newman
RV-10 40176
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Sked
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Sun N Fun
What's the head count for Sun N Fun? I'll be there noon on the 8th,
leaving Early Friday the 11th. Via commercial airlines. I'm staying at
the Marriot Village in Orlando, about a 45 minute drive but nice if you
have family (I don't) that can play at the parks while you go to the
show. I really liked it last year...pretty laid back and well...fun.
Rick Sked40185do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Jacking up the -10 |
You mean Deems has given up on the retractable gear??
I recently saw photos of an RV8 with builder designed retractable gear,
supposedly now flying.
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> Correctomundo Tim,
>
> The gear needs to be in the relaxed or "flight" position to align the fairings,
but I hear Deems is putting hydraulic actuated, electrically controlled gyroscopic
stabilized fairings on his to adjust for adverse yaw and to center the
ball in cruise, all tied to that mast thingy he was talking about six months
ago. Just a rumor though...from the Skunk Works.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:53:03 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10
>
>
> Actually, I think that's the Per-plans way...you're supposed to
> let the gear hang and align the fairings while they're in the
> in-flight hanging position.
> Tim
>
>
> Steven DiNieri wrote:
>
>> when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself
>> and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position
>> to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i
>> started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel
>> pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to
>> affect trim flight....
>> steve dinieri
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: baggage floor access plate for step |
You either have to have a big enough hole for the head of the bolt in
the bottom skin and put the bolt in from underneath or you have to
have the hole in the baggage floor to get it out from there. I don't
think you can get the access panel close enough to actually pull the
bolt out through it.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
> That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out?
> Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the
> wall panel to lift the bolt up?
>
> -Ben
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step
>
> Ben,
> I think it=92s an excellent idea especially when working
> around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance
> because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit
> your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt
> even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it
> to be removable in case the PC didn=92t hold up. Additionally mine are
> removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
>
> Robin
> Photos Attached
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
Hey John, Jay, Barry, etc.
Nick has contacted me about who's next! Let's use this thread to determine where
it's going and to get it back to John eventually.
If it's: 1) Jay, 2) Barry, 3) Lew 4) Nick use this to get contact info and send
it to the next in line.
And others can add their name and number to the list here.
Thanks, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Landing gear installed, we're mobile!
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| Subject: | Lower Cowl Mounts |
hi deems,
did you use a shim under the plate to space out for the thickness of the
cowl??
Steven dinieri
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:46 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
>
>
> Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd)
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/
slides/DSC04175.html
> I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that
> it doesn't stick out and interfere with the air exiting the
> lower cowl. (A John Cox
> suggestion)
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Scott Schmidt wrote:
> > --> <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification
> I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets.
> >
> > Scott Schmidt
> > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked
> <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.
> >
> > Rick Sked
> > 40185
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800)
> America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
> >
> >
> > Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're
> holding up
> > great for people, and there are some now that I know
> personally (I'll
> > let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after
> > they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems
> > with nutplates and screws...it's really secure.
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >
> >
> >
> > Vernon Smith wrote:
> > Looking through some of the old postings, I found some
> discussion on
> > replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws.
> Are these
> > modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10
> > countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the
> > mounting plate made from?
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Vern Smith (#324)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: baggage floor access plate for step |
jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote:
> You either have to have a big enough hole for the head of the bolt in the bottom
skin and put the bolt in from underneath or you have to have the hole in the
baggage floor to get it out from there. I don't think you can get the access
panel close enough to actually pull the bolt out through it.
> do not archive
> Jesse Saint
I can but then my plates are covered about half way by the side panels. [Crying
or Very sad]
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set |
Hey Robin,
Thanks for the reply. By "weather strip" I meant the door seal provided by Vans
... did you final install before you're going to paint? Did you shave off door/canopy
fiberglass to make the door seal fit right?
I do like the cover plates you added so the door seal will continue uninterrupted
at the top of the doors -- doesn't that make for some creative nut installation?
I've looked more closely at the canopy hinges on ours, and it appears that the
hinges are barely flush with the canopy top (maybe even stick up a bit) -- so
that it doesn't look possible to recess and fit a plate on top of it. Maybe it's
just our canopy (pink), or did you build it up around the hinges?
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Landing gear installed, we're mobile!
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| Subject: | baggage floor access plate for step |
Just a thought but Cessna on occasion drilled a bolt insertion hole directly
over the bolt and had an circular access panel below or adjacent to the bolt
for hand access to tighten or loosen the bolt. the bolt insertion hole was
covered with a chrome cap.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step
That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there
room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift
the bolt up?
-Ben
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step
Ben,
I think it's an excellent idea especially when working around
the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you
will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender
shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated
our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC
didn't hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch
out Bearcat!
Robin
Photos Attached
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
I didn't use a shim. In my case I didn't need one. I have a Will James
cowl, I believe the construction is different from the Van's cowl and
most likely the dimensions also.
btw, I'm using countersunk screws with ss countersunk washers.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Steven DiNieri wrote:
>
> hi deems,
> did you use a shim under the plate to space out for the thickness of the
> cowl??
> Steven dinieri
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:46 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
>>
>>
>> Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd)
>> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/
>>
> slides/DSC04175.html
>
>> I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that
>> it doesn't stick out and interfere with the air exiting the
>> lower cowl. (A John Cox
>> suggestion)
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>> Scott Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> --> <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification
>>>
>> I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets.
>>
>>> Scott Schmidt
>>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked
>>>
>> <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.
>>>
>>> Rick Sked
>>> 40185
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800)
>>>
>> America/Los_Angeles
>>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
>>>
>>>
>>> Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're
>>>
>> holding up
>>
>>> great for people, and there are some now that I know
>>>
>> personally (I'll
>>
>>> let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after
>>> they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems
>>> with nutplates and screws...it's really secure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vernon Smith wrote:
>>> Looking through some of the old postings, I found some
>>>
>> discussion on
>>
>>> replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws.
>>>
>> Are these
>>
>>> modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10
>>> countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the
>>> mounting plate made from?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Vern Smith (#324)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Photoshare, and much much more:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | lessons learned installing plexiglas with Weld-on 10 |
We just finished building our windscreen faring so now its on to bigger and better
things like "trimming out" the final finish of the doors, windows and windscreen.
The gluing of the door windows was easy. The first one we did on the
bench per the directions except we applied freshly mixed glue to both the plexi
and the fiberglass ledge. A few days later we installed the door to the cabin
and then: AHH!! We found 3 small cracks on the edge where one of the clamps
held the plexi tight against the fiberglass ledge. We stop drilled the cracks
and changed technique for the second door/window installation. The door was
installed on the cabin complete with hinges and latches and trimmed to give
a good flush fit. We used four nylon straps around the entire fuselage and cabin
with wooden blocks to apply pressure at the window edges. This pressure was
left in place for about 22 hours and the results were great with NO cracks.
We then did both rear cabin windows together using the four strap method of holding
them in place and when we removed the straps and blocks we were saddened
by the discovery of dozens of small "feathery" cracks at the pressure points.
We thought of starting over with the rear windows but e-mailed Van's and when
Scott said that other builders reported these cracks (Van's RV-10 with 1100
hours has them) but there have been ZERO failures, we decided to stress the cracks
to see if we could get them to "run" into the center of the window. We
applied heat to get the temperature of the window bond up to where the Summer
Colorado sun might cause it to rise. Then we applied an ice pack to get the temperature
down to where the lower flight levels might cause it to fall. An amazing
result - the cracks disappeared. I don't mean that they went away - I
mean they were VERY difficult (in some cases, impossible) to see. We did the
windscreen with a combination of clamps on the sides and a strap around the cabin
to give us holding pressure across the top. We got several small cracks at
the pres!
sure poi
nts of the clamps - none at the strap. Our final conclusion is that the cracks
are caused by high clamping pressure over time and the best way to avoid them
when using Weld-on 10 is to remove your clamps (or straps) after just a few hours,
maybe three of four, and keep the pressure down to no more than is needed
to keep the plexi flush with the cabin. We heated all our weld-on 10 bonds
to stress relieve them.
Paul Hahn
#40203
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Well the cuts on my hand will be healed by then...from cutting out my old t
rim system and instaling yours..BTW...it works great and is VERY easy to in
stall...from the git go...not really bad after I had my own installed...rea
lly neat product..
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman@tcwtech.com>
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 6:24:16 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun N Fun
=EF=BB
I'll be at Sun-n-Fun all week.=C2-=C2- TCW Technologies has an outdoor
booth at spot N-96 this year.=C2- We'll have a Safety-Trim Tent set up wi
th demo units and with just a little bit of luck a new product announcement
!=C2-
I look forward to meeting=C2- the many builders who have become Safety-Tr
im customers.
Best regards,
Bob Newman
RV-10 40176
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Sked
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Sun N Fun
What's the head count for Sun N Fun? I'll be there noon on the 8th, leaving
Early Friday the 11th. Via commercial airlines. I'm staying at the Marriot
Village in Orlando, about a 45 minute drive but nice if you have family (I
don't) that can play at the parks while you go to the show. I really liked
it last year...pretty laid back and well...fun. =C2- Rick Sked 40185 do
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
I didn't need a shim on the bottom, only the sides. Where you have to make up for
the curve of the fuselage sides.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 7:30:05 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
hi deems,
did you use a shim under the plate to space out for the thickness of the
cowl??
Steven dinieri
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:46 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
>
>
> Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd)
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/
slides/DSC04175.html
> I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that
> it doesn't stick out and interfere with the air exiting the
> lower cowl. (A John Cox
> suggestion)
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Scott Schmidt wrote:
> > --> <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification
> I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets.
> >
> > Scott Schmidt
> > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked
> <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.
> >
> > Rick Sked
> > 40185
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800)
> America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
> >
> >
> > Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're
> holding up
> > great for people, and there are some now that I know
> personally (I'll
> > let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after
> > they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems
> > with nutplates and screws...it's really secure.
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >
> >
> >
> > Vernon Smith wrote:
> > Looking through some of the old postings, I found some
> discussion on
> > replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws.
> Are these
> > modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10
> > countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the
> > mounting plate made from?
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Vern Smith (#324)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
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| Subject: | baggage floor access plate for step |
Bingo! Ben.
Lew, sorry I am on the road and have too many moving parts these days to
reply quickly.
There is a =BD" hole drilled directly above the bolt (no pictured). That
hole is normally plugged with a plastic panel plug and then the entire
area covered with carpet.
Regarding the door seal we used a seal sold by McMaster Carr not the
vans seal. Sorry I don't have the style number.
(Photo attached)
Regarding the nut installation for the door, it's not that difficult to
remove and I hope the doors will not have to be taken off many more
times. At least not till the first flight J
We cleaned up under the hinge a bit but ours do sit pretty flush. The
metal is bent a bit down into the recess we made for the cover. There
are a number of different ways to do this including living with a small
bump at each hinge point.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step
Just a thought but Cessna on occasion drilled a bolt insertion hole
directly over the bolt and had an circular access panel below or
adjacent to the bolt for hand access to tighten or loosen the bolt. the
bolt insertion hole was covered with a chrome cap.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step
That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is
there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall
panel to lift the bolt up?
-Ben
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step
Ben,
I think it's an excellent idea especially when working
around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance
because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your
already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more.
We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be
removable in case the PC didn't hold up. Additionally mine are removal
for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat!
Robin
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