---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/03/08: 52 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:22 AM - Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set (Rick Barnes) 2. 08:01 AM - Lower Cowl Mounts (Vernon Smith) 3. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set (Robin Marks) 4. 08:38 AM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Tim Olson) 5. 09:33 AM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Rick Sked) 6. 09:56 AM - Re: engine question (aerodiesel) (Eric Parlow) 7. 10:11 AM - Doors (Fred Williams, M.D.) 8. 12:23 PM - Re: Jacking up the -10 (jim berry) 9. 12:38 PM - Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set (Steven DiNieri) 10. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Jesse Saint) 11. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Chris Johnston) 12. 01:26 PM - baggage floor access plate for step (Ben Westfall) 13. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley) 14. 01:41 PM - Re: Jacking up the -10 (jim berry) 15. 01:50 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Dave Saylor) 16. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Rick Sked) 17. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley) 18. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Steven DiNieri) 19. 02:16 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Vernon Smith) 20. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley) 21. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Chris Johnston) 22. 02:20 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Vernon Smith) 23. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley) 24. 02:30 PM - Traveling counter sink (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 25. 02:43 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (PJ Seipel) 26. 02:46 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (PJ Seipel) 27. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Roger Standley) 28. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Tim Olson) 29. 03:13 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (orchidman) 30. 03:26 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Scott Schmidt) 31. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Robert Wright) 32. 04:23 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Tim Olson) 33. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Rick Sked) 34. 04:30 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Robin Marks) 35. 04:32 PM - Sun N Fun (Rick Sked) 36. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Rick Sked) 37. 04:49 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Deems Davis) 38. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Deems Davis) 39. 05:31 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Ben Westfall) 40. 06:29 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Bob-tcw) 41. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Jacking up the -10 (Kelly McMullen) 42. 06:53 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Jesse Saint) 43. 07:25 PM - Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Lew Gallagher) 44. 07:35 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Steven DiNieri) 45. 07:41 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (orchidman) 46. 07:52 PM - Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set (Lew Gallagher) 47. 07:54 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (David McNeill) 48. 08:08 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Deems Davis) 49. 09:12 PM - lessons learned installing plexiglas with Weld-on 10 (eagerlee) 50. 09:18 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Rick Sked) 51. 09:21 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Rick Sked) 52. 11:46 PM - Re: baggage floor access plate for step (Robin Marks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:15 AM PST US From: "Rick Barnes" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set Mike Howe and I just installed the after market Rivethead door pin guide set. We didn't receive any info on the installation from Rivethead. We used the plastic ones supplied by Van's to mark the holes in the frame. The new guides didn't line up exactly with Van's. We had to do some drilling/sanding of the guide to get the pins to fit. Once modified they seem to hold the door very tight. We don't know how the weather stripping will affect the fit. We're miles away from that part of the finishing. I hope this helped some. Rick _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set Thanks Robin, not hearing any complaints it actually great feedback. Thanks! Pascal To be clear I know RH Aero takes months so since I am months away I know I should order them now if I want them by Christmas ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set Pascal, ours work great but the engine was just hung and the front windscreen has not been installed. Same with the prop, spinner, cowl. Not really real world feedback but the best I can do. Robin http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/Doors.htm href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:46 AM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on replac ing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these modified mou nts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 countersunk screws a nd nut plates used? And finally what was the mounting plate made from? Thanks, Vern Smith (#324) _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.-You IM, we g ive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set From: "Robin Marks" Lew, The only weather stripping we have is on our inner console, we used Door Seals for the doors and it took some significant modifications to the door frame to properly install the door seals. The end result is fantastic but I am sure there are better door seal choices available. Yes we drilled & tapped the hinge for 6-32 screws. There is no reason that fiberglass will not work but we chose aluminum because we could bend the edges down slightly so they will lay in the recess tightly and not flex up. Plus we plan to probably powder coat to match other items we will be powder coating. One of the mods you did not mention is the fiberglass inner door gap cover that allows the door seal to make complete contact. We believe this will make for a quieter & less drafty cockpit. http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/doors.htm Good luck, Robin >>>Hey Robin, Thanks for the door pictures. We just installed the hinges yesterday. Even trying to pay attention to the unique orientation, I still managed to get one set on reversed fore and aft! Here's a couple of questions: 1) It looks on one picture that you have weather stripping installed? Still fit? I had thought of temporarily attaching the weather strip with something less sticky than "Gorilla Snot" to get the fit right before final installing. Weather strip goes on after painting? 2) Did you just drill and tap the canopy hinge to attach the covers? I had thought of using the scrap fiberglass from the window cutouts instead of metal. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Landing gear installed, we're mobile! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167231#167231 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:50 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're holding up great for people, and there are some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really secure. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Vernon Smith wrote: > Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on > replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these > modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 > countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the > mounting plate made from? > Thanks, > > Vern Smith (#324) > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:43 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're holding up great for people, and there are some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really secure. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Vernon Smith wrote: > Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on > replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these > modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 > countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the > mounting plate made from? > Thanks, > > Vern Smith (#324) > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:46 AM PST US From: Eric Parlow Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine question (aerodiesel) For info on aerodiesel engines see: www.dieselair.com ERic-- RV-10, 40014 N104EP > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> From: dwack@flbb.net> Subject: RV10-List: en gine question> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:17:55 -0500> > is anybody consider ing a diesel engine? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:43 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: RV10-List: Doors Robin; Great pics and write up on the finer points of the doors. What door seal material are you using? Fred Williams 40515 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 From: "jim berry" To all, Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB(reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167445#167445 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:09 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set One of the problems i found was the way they mounted from the backside which made it difficult to mount and adjust. i made a similar part but made it screw in from the front. i fabbed a backplate with platenuts and ovaled out the holes in the doorframe to allow future adjustments. steve dinieri _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set Thanks Robin, not hearing any complaints it actually great feedback. Thanks! Pascal To be clear I know RH Aero takes months so since I am months away I know I should order them now if I want them by Christmas ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set Pascal, ours work great but the engine was just hung and the front windscreen has not been installed. Same with the prop, spinner, cowl. Not really real world feedback but the best I can do. Robin http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/Doors.htm href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:40 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 With or without the engine? If without, then using a jack/stand on the engine mount and one on the tail tie down base and then something to stable it works. With the engine, then you could possible use an engine hoist to hold up the front and a jack/stand on the tail, also with something to stabilize it. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 3, 2008, at 3:20 PM, jim berry wrote: > > To all, > > Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed > fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage > off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings. > > Jim Berry > 40482 > N15JB(reserved) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167445#167445 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 From: "Chris Johnston" I went down to harbor freight, and they were having a sale on lift tables. I bought one, modified it a bit, and it worked like a charm. See here: http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Landing_Gear. html it was just the ticket for doing the wheelpants and gear leg fairings. I used a heavy duty saw horse under the tail, and adjusted the height so that the aircraft was level. cj www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim berry Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 To all, Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB(reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167445#167445 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:37 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures? -Ben ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:16 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Jim,=0A Here is how I do it...=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: jim berry =0A To: r v10-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: M onday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM=0A Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking rry" >=0A=0A To a ll,=0A=0A Has anyone developed a good method to jack and suppor t the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to rais e the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings.=0A=0A Jim Berry=0A 40482=0A N15JB(reserved) =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read this topic online here:=0A =0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167445#167445=0A=0A ======================= ======================= vigator?RV10-List=0A ======================= ======================= ======================= http://www.matronics.com/contribution Jesse, The engine and prop are on. I thought about using my engine hoist to lift the fuselage, but am reluctant to hang all the weight from the engine mount or the engine lifting ring. cj, The link to your landing gear does not work, and I could not find the table you mentioned searching manually. Jim Berry 40482 N16JB(reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167459#167459 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:47 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step Ben, I'd show you a picture of the hole through the baggage floor, but it got covered up by the side panel. Doh. Next time I'll put a nutplate on the top of the step socket and put the bolt in from the bottom, through the belly. This is by no means overkill. We've replaced a few RV steps for one reason or another. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures? -Ben ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:18 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Thats a great but TINY picture...can you descibe what the jack is pushing o n and how it's attached to the gear. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Standley" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 1:36:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Jim, =C2-Here is how I do it... ----- Original Message ----- From: jim berry Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 To all, Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fusela ge before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the whee ls and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB(reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p========== ============itle=http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?RV10-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://w ww.matronics.com/N=================== ==<;=C2- --> ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:05 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Her is how I do it...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ----- Original Me ssage ----- =0A From: jim berry =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A S ent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM=0A Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ja jim berry" >=0A=0A To all,=0A=0A Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want t o raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mou nting the wings.=0A=0A Jim Berry=0A 40482=0A N15JB(rese rved)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read this topic online here: =0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167445#167445 =0A ======================= ======================= com/Navigator?RV10-List ======================= ======================= ======================= = --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to affect trim flight.... steve dinieri _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Her is how I do it... ----- Original Message ----- From: jim berry Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 To all, Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB(reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewt========================================== ===nbsp; - The RV10-List Email Forum -http://www.==============================================p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.================ ======nbsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri but======================================== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:58 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step Slick idea! Vern Smith (#324) do not archive From: Dave@AirCraftersLLC.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-L ist: baggage floor access plate for stepDate: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:49:23 -080 0 Ben, I'd show you a picture of the hole through the baggage floor, but it got co vered up by the side panel. Doh. Next time I'll put a nutplate on the top of the step socket and put the bol t in from the bottom, through the belly. This is by no means overkill. We've replaced a few RV steps for one reason or another. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail=AE-get yo ur "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:35 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Hi Rick,=0A=0AYes, I welded a bolt at about a 45 degree angle to a cut piece of galvanized pipe, and covered it with epoxy and micro-b alloons. Wrapped the inside of the pipe with a strip of inter-tube to prevent scratching and to add friction. The bolt fits in a hole drille d in the top of the scissor jack (from Kragens). Using an electric dri ll with a "tee" makes for easy jacking.=0A=0ARoger=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Rick Sked =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:49 PM=0A Subject: R e: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A Thats a great but TINY picture...can you descibe what the jack is pushing on and how it's attached to the gear.=0A=0A Rick Sked=0A=0A 40185 =0A ----- Original Message -----=0A From: "Roger Standley" >=0A To: rv10-list@matr onics.com=0A Sent: Monday, March 3 , 2008 1:36:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles=0A Subject: Re: R V10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A=0A Jim,=0A Here is how I do it...=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: jim berry =0A To: rv1 0-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: M onday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM=0A Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jackin m berry" >=0A=0A To all,=0A=0A Has anyone developed a good method to jack an d support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before m ounting the wings.=0A=0A Jim Berry=0A 40482=0A N1 5JB(reserved)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p== ====================itle=htt p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://www.matronics com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/N====== ======================= =================<; --> =0A=0A=0A =0A Oops. The link wrapped to the next page. Try this www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Landing_Gear.html if it wrapped to the next line again, just make sure the .html is on there or go to the finishing section, and select "landing gear" cj -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim berry Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Jesse, The engine and prop are on. I thought about using my engine hoist to lift the fuselage, but am reluctant to hang all the weight from the engine mount or the engine lifting ring. cj, The link to your landing gear does not work, and I could not find the table you mentioned searching manually. Jim Berry 40482 N16JB(reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167459#167459 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:23 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Tim & Rick, Thanks for the replies! Vern Smith (#324 finishing?)do not archive > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:30:36 -0500> From: ricksked@embarqmail.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts> > --> R V10-List message posted by: Rick Sked > > I made m ine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side.> > Rick Sked> 40185> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Tim Olson" > To : rv10-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800 ) America/Los_Angeles> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts> > --> RV1 0-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Not countersunk scr ews....round head screws. Yes,> they're holding up great for people, and th ere are> some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up> if they w ish) who didn't install them until after they> had issues with the hinges. But, there really are> no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really> secure.> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> > > > Vernon Smith wrote:> > Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on > > replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these > > m odified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 > > count ersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the > > mounting pl ========================> _ =====================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_0120 08 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:43 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Rick, here is another pic of the "gear grabber. After cutting the pipe , open it up to allow it to slide over the gear near the wheel but tig hten against the gear leg as it is raised toward the fuselage.=0A =0A=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Roger S tandley =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:15 PM=0A Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A =0A=0A =EF=BB =0A Hi Rick,=0A=0A Yes, I welded a bol t at about a 45 degree angle to a cut piece of galvanized pipe, and co vered it with epoxy and micro-balloons. Wrapped the inside of the pipe with a strip of inter-tube to prevent scratching and to add friction. The bolt fits in a hole drilled in the top of the scissor jack (from Kragens). Using an electric drill with a "tee" makes for easy jacking =0A=0A Roger=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A F rom: Rick Sked =0A To: rv10-list @matronics.com =0A Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:49 PM=0A Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking u p the -10=0A=0A=0A Thats a great but TINY picture...can yo u descibe what the jack is pushing on and how it's attached to the gea r.=0A=0A Rick Sked=0A=0A 40185=0A ----- Origin al Message -----=0A From: "Roger Standley" >=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com=0A Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 1:36:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles=0A Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re : Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A=0A Jim,=0A Here is how I do it...=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: jim berry =0A To: rv10-li st@matronics.com =0A Sent: Mon day, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM=0A Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jackin jim berry" >=0A=0A To all,=0A=0A Has anyone developed a good method to j ack and support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants be fore mounting the wings.=0A=0A Jim Berry=0A 40482 =0A N15JB(reserved)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read th is topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/vie wtopic.php?p=================== ===itle=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="h ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/ N======================= =======================< ; --> =0A=0A=0A=0A ======================= ======================0A_ ======================= ======================= = --> http://forums.matronics.com ======================= ======================= ======================= =====0A=0A ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:51 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Traveling counter sink From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" Y'all should include a traveling signature sheet with that traveling shared counter sink tool for the cabin roof. Each person can sign the sheet and stick a photo of them and/or their fuselage in the envelope before sending it on to the next person. By Oshkosh 2009, it might be an interesting collection of names and places! TDT 40025 Wheel Fairings done! Tim Dawson-Townsend Aurora Flight Sciences tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:24 PM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step I used the parts for the stall warning horn access panel. I had to drill the bolt hole in the steps from the side, however, to be able to get the bolt in because of how I oriented the access panel. If you rotate it to the right about 30 degrees or so, I believe you can still put the bolt in per the plans. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 Ben Westfall wrote: > > I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that > would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done > this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures? > > > > -Ben > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:18 PM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step Sorry, forgot the picture. PJ Seipel PJ Seipel wrote: > I used the parts for the stall warning horn access panel. I had to > drill the bolt hole in the steps from the side, however, to be able to > get the bolt in because of how I oriented the access panel. If you > rotate it to the right about 30 degrees or so, I believe you can still > put the bolt in per the plans. > > PJ Seipel > RV-10 #40032 > > > Ben Westfall wrote: >> >> I am pondering adding an access hole/plate on the baggage floor that >> would allow one to get at the step attach hardware. Has anyone done >> this? What are some thoughts on it? Pictures? >> >> >> >> -Ben >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:27 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Hi Steve,=0A=0AYou are right. When we did the wheel pants, we le t the gear "sag", but it didn't sag much. We braced from the spar carr y-thru and fitted the wheel pants.=0A=0A=0A ----- Original M essage ----- =0A From: Steven DiNieri =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:11 PM=0A Subject: RE: RV10- List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A when you install the w heel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself and leave the gear l egs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to affect trim flig ht.... =0A steve dinieri=0A=0A=0A=0A------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------=0A Fr om: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley=0A Sent: Monday, Ma rch 03, 2008 4:55 PM=0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com=0A Sub ject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A Her i s how I do it...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ----- Original Mes sage ----- =0A From: jim berry =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM=0A Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10=0A=0A=0A --> RV10-List message posted by: "jim berry" >=0A=0A To all,=0A=0A Has anyone develop ed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and f it the wheel pants before mounting the wings.=0A=0A Jim Ber ry=0A 40482=0A N15JB(reserved)=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A Read this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forum s.matronics.com/viewt================ =====nbsp; - The RV10-List Email Forum -http://www.= ====================p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://foru ms.matronics.=================== ====nbsp; title=http://www matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion">http://www.matronics.com/contribut========== ======================= =========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:58 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Actually, I think that's the Per-plans way...you're supposed to let the gear hang and align the fairings while they're in the in-flight hanging position. Tim Steven DiNieri wrote: > when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself > and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position > to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i > started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel > pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to > affect trim flight.... > steve dinieri > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:12 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: baggage floor access plate for step From: "orchidman" seipel(at)seznam.cz wrote: > I used the parts for the stall warning horn access panel.PJ Seipel > RV-10 #40032 I did a similar thing but probably would do it differently next time (there had better never be a next time) [Laughing] I mounted my covers close enough that you can pull the bolt straight out or put it in. After I did all of this, I realized that the side panels will cover half of the plates. So the side panels will not be riveted in place until the very end. If I have to ever remove/replace the steps, it will be about a half dozen pop rivets that will have to be drilled out and then the places will be able to be unscrewed giving access to the step mounting bolts. I have some early pictures at http://www.wingscc.com/N410GB/30-StepInstal/30-StepInstallation.html I am so far behind at keeping my pictures up to date and I don't have any of the later ones on the web yet. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167492#167492 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:23 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked wrote: I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're holding up great for people, and there are some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really secure. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Vernon Smith wrote: Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the mounting plate made from? Thanks, Vern Smith (#324) ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:46 PM PST US From: Robert Wright Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Two or three pallets with the top one covered with a carpet scrap. Then use various shims to ensure level across the fuselage. That ws my method and it seemed fine, especially after dropping many plumb lines and square lines on the floor to cross-check in-plane. Rob Wright #392 looking at a LOT of sanding when I do the body prep for the door-canopy prep. Just didn't seem to cure flush even after many many clamps held it correctly. But I DID hang then engine today! ----- Original Message ---- From: jim berry Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 3:20:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 To all, Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fuselage before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the wheels and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB(reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167445#167445 Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:20 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Hi Scott, This will show you some photos. Here's a page with some photos towards the bottom: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050911/index.html Here are a couple other ones for you too: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050918/index.html http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050911/RV200509110038.html http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20050918/RV200509120004.html I used some heavier stock when I did mine, and I put a plate on the fuselage side, and then another plate on the cowl side that is "permanent" to give the cowl more backing. Not sure the thickness anymore, but maybe .063 like Rick said. It seems it was about the same as the thickness of the panel material. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Scott Schmidt wrote: > > Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets. > > Scott Schmidt > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com > > On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked wrote: > > > I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side. > > Rick Sked > 40185 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:28 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Very cool, I was looking for a way to jack mine easily from the gear, I hav e mine on Harbor Freight dollys and I can see using them once flying to get the most from our hangar space=C2-(Bob Kauffman and I) we have 3500 SF a nd rent out what we don't need. The dollys allow us to move the aircraft ea sily into the corners...we inconvience ourselves but not our tenants...look s like an aerolift may be on the way. Hangar space at North Las Vegas is sp arce...we are lucky to own the facility we have. Once the fly off is done a nd the fairings are on for good I'll have to jack from the wing tie down to put it on the dollys...small price to pay for "free" hangar space. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Standley" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:15:26 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 =EF=BB Hi Rick, Yes, I welded a bolt at about a 45 degree angle to a cut piece of galvanize d pipe, and covered it with epoxy and micro-balloons. Wrapped the inside of the pipe with a strip of inter-tube to prevent scratching and to add frict ion. The bolt fits in a hole drilled in the top of the scissor jack (from K ragens). Using an electric drill with a "tee"=C2- makes for easy jacking. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Sked Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Thats a great but TINY picture...can you descibe what the jack is pushing o n and how it's attached to the gear. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Standley" < taildragon@msn.com > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 1:36:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Jim, =C2-Here is how I do it... ----- Original Message ----- From: jim berry Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 To all, Has anyone developed a good method to jack and support the completed fusela ge before the wings are attached. I want to raise the fuselage off the whee ls and fit the wheel pants before mounting the wings. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB(reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p========== ============itle=http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?RV10-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://w ww.matronics.com/N=================== ==<;=C2- --> http://w====================== ====================f="http://www .matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c====== ======================== ==== ======================= == ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:17 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step From: "Robin Marks" Ben, I think it's an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn't hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat! Robin Photos Attached ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:32 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: RV10-List: Sun N Fun What's the head count for Sun N Fun? I'll be there noon on the 8th, leaving Early Friday the 11th. Via commercial airlines. I'm staying at the Marriot Village in Orlando, about a 45 minute drive but nice if you have family (I don't) that can play at the parks while you go to the show. I really liked it last year...pretty laid back and well...fun. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:14 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Correctomundo Tim, The gear needs to be in the relaxed or "flight" position to align the fairings, but I hear Deems is putting hydraulic actuated, electrically controlled gyroscopic stabilized fairings on his to adjust for adverse yaw and to center the ball in cruise, all tied to that mast thingy he was talking about six months ago. Just a rumor though...from the Skunk Works. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:53:03 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Actually, I think that's the Per-plans way...you're supposed to let the gear hang and align the fairings while they're in the in-flight hanging position. Tim Steven DiNieri wrote: > when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself > and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position > to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i > started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel > pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to > affect trim flight.... > steve dinieri > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:33 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd) http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/slides/DSC04175.html I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that it doesn't stick out and interfere with the air exiting the lower cowl. (A John Cox suggestion) Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Scott Schmidt wrote: > > Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets. > > Scott Schmidt > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com > > On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked wrote: > > > I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side. > > Rick Sked > 40185 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts > > > Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, > they're holding up great for people, and there are > some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up > if they wish) who didn't install them until after they > had issues with the hinges. But, there really are > no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really > secure. > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > Vernon Smith wrote: > Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on > replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these > modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 > countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the > mounting plate made from? > Thanks, > > Vern Smith (#324) > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:22 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 Darn !!! there you go again, blowing my surprise!!! Deems do not archive Rick Sked wrote: > > Correctomundo Tim, > > The gear needs to be in the relaxed or "flight" position to align the fairings, but I hear Deems is putting hydraulic actuated, electrically controlled gyroscopic stabilized fairings on his to adjust for adverse yaw and to center the ball in cruise, all tied to that mast thingy he was talking about six months ago. Just a rumor though...from the Skunk Works. > > Rick Sked > 40185 > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:53:03 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 > > > Actually, I think that's the Per-plans way...you're supposed to > let the gear hang and align the fairings while they're in the > in-flight hanging position. > Tim > > > Steven DiNieri wrote: > >> when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself >> and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position >> to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i >> started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel >> pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to >> affect trim flight.... >> steve dinieri >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:52 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift the bolt up? -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step Ben, I think it's an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn't hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat! Robin Photos Attached ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:09 PM PST US From: "Bob-tcw" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun N Fun I'll be at Sun-n-Fun all week. TCW Technologies has an outdoor booth at spot N-96 this year. We'll have a Safety-Trim Tent set up with demo units and with just a little bit of luck a new product announcement! I look forward to meeting the many builders who have become Safety-Trim customers. Best regards, Bob Newman RV-10 40176 TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Sked To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Sun N Fun What's the head count for Sun N Fun? I'll be there noon on the 8th, leaving Early Friday the 11th. Via commercial airlines. I'm staying at the Marriot Village in Orlando, about a 45 minute drive but nice if you have family (I don't) that can play at the parks while you go to the show. I really liked it last year...pretty laid back and well...fun. Rick Sked40185do not archive ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:57 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 You mean Deems has given up on the retractable gear?? I recently saw photos of an RV8 with builder designed retractable gear, supposedly now flying. Rick Sked wrote: > > Correctomundo Tim, > > The gear needs to be in the relaxed or "flight" position to align the fairings, but I hear Deems is putting hydraulic actuated, electrically controlled gyroscopic stabilized fairings on his to adjust for adverse yaw and to center the ball in cruise, all tied to that mast thingy he was talking about six months ago. Just a rumor though...from the Skunk Works. > > Rick Sked > 40185 > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:53:03 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Jacking up the -10 > > > Actually, I think that's the Per-plans way...you're supposed to > let the gear hang and align the fairings while they're in the > in-flight hanging position. > Tim > > > Steven DiNieri wrote: > >> when you install the wheel pants you might want to jack the fuse itself >> and leave the gear legs in an "in-flight position" or relaxed position >> to ensure alignment with the airflow. i had one already installed when i >> started to think about it. when i jacked the plane and refit the wheel >> pant there was a difference. it wasn't major, but probably enough to >> affect trim flight.... >> steve dinieri >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:28 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step You either have to have a big enough hole for the head of the bolt in the bottom skin and put the bolt in from underneath or you have to have the hole in the baggage floor to get it out from there. I don't think you can get the access panel close enough to actually pull the bolt out through it. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Ben Westfall wrote: > That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? > Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the > wall panel to lift the bolt up? > > -Ben > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step > > Ben, > I think it=92s an excellent idea especially when working > around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance > because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit > your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt > even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it > to be removable in case the PC didn=92t hold up. Additionally mine are > removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat! > > Robin > Photos Attached > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:17 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey John, Jay, Barry, etc. Nick has contacted me about who's next! Let's use this thread to determine where it's going and to get it back to John eventually. If it's: 1) Jay, 2) Barry, 3) Lew 4) Nick use this to get contact info and send it to the next in line. And others can add their name and number to the list here. Thanks, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Landing gear installed, we're mobile! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167550#167550 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:12 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts hi deems, did you use a shim under the plate to space out for the thickness of the cowl?? Steven dinieri > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:46 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts > > > Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd) > http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/ slides/DSC04175.html > I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that > it doesn't stick out and interfere with the air exiting the > lower cowl. (A John Cox > suggestion) > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > Scott Schmidt wrote: > > --> > > > > Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification > I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets. > > > > Scott Schmidt > > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com > > > > On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked > wrote: > > > > > > I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side. > > > > Rick Sked > > 40185 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Olson" > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) > America/Los_Angeles > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts > > > > > > Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're > holding up > > great for people, and there are some now that I know > personally (I'll > > let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after > > they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems > > with nutplates and screws...it's really secure. > > > > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > > > > > > Vernon Smith wrote: > > Looking through some of the old postings, I found some > discussion on > > replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. > Are these > > modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 > > countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the > > mounting plate made from? > > Thanks, > > > > Vern Smith (#324) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:06 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: baggage floor access plate for step From: "orchidman" jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote: > You either have to have a big enough hole for the head of the bolt in the bottom skin and put the bolt in from underneath or you have to have the hole in the baggage floor to get it out from there. I don't think you can get the access panel close enough to actually pull the bolt out through it. > do not archive > Jesse Saint I can but then my plates are covered about half way by the side panels. [Crying or Very sad] -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167554#167554 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:05 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead Door Guide and Pin set From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Robin, Thanks for the reply. By "weather strip" I meant the door seal provided by Vans ... did you final install before you're going to paint? Did you shave off door/canopy fiberglass to make the door seal fit right? I do like the cover plates you added so the door seal will continue uninterrupted at the top of the doors -- doesn't that make for some creative nut installation? I've looked more closely at the canopy hinges on ours, and it appears that the hinges are barely flush with the canopy top (maybe even stick up a bit) -- so that it doesn't look possible to recess and fit a plate on top of it. Maybe it's just our canopy (pink), or did you build it up around the hinges? Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Landing gear installed, we're mobile! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167556#167556 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:26 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step Just a thought but Cessna on occasion drilled a bolt insertion hole directly over the bolt and had an circular access panel below or adjacent to the bolt for hand access to tighten or loosen the bolt. the bolt insertion hole was covered with a chrome cap. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift the bolt up? -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step Ben, I think it's an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn't hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat! Robin Photos Attached ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:25 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts I didn't use a shim. In my case I didn't need one. I have a Will James cowl, I believe the construction is different from the Van's cowl and most likely the dimensions also. btw, I'm using countersunk screws with ss countersunk washers. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Steven DiNieri wrote: > > hi deems, > did you use a shim under the plate to space out for the thickness of the > cowl?? > Steven dinieri > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis >> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:46 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts >> >> >> Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd) >> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/ >> > slides/DSC04175.html > >> I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that >> it doesn't stick out and interfere with the air exiting the >> lower cowl. (A John Cox >> suggestion) >> >> Deems Davis # 406 >> 'Its all done....Its just not put together' >> http://deemsrv10.com/ >> >> Scott Schmidt wrote: >> >>> --> >>> >>> Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification >>> >> I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets. >> >>> Scott Schmidt >>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side. >>> >>> Rick Sked >>> 40185 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tim Olson" >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) >>> >> America/Los_Angeles >> >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts >>> >>> >>> Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're >>> >> holding up >> >>> great for people, and there are some now that I know >>> >> personally (I'll >> >>> let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after >>> they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems >>> with nutplates and screws...it's really secure. >>> >>> >>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>> >>> >>> >>> Vernon Smith wrote: >>> Looking through some of the old postings, I found some >>> >> discussion on >> >>> replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. >>> >> Are these >> >>> modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 >>> countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the >>> mounting plate made from? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Vern Smith (#324) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Photoshare, and much much more: >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:17 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: lessons learned installing plexiglas with Weld-on 10 From: "eagerlee" We just finished building our windscreen faring so now its on to bigger and better things like "trimming out" the final finish of the doors, windows and windscreen. The gluing of the door windows was easy. The first one we did on the bench per the directions except we applied freshly mixed glue to both the plexi and the fiberglass ledge. A few days later we installed the door to the cabin and then: AHH!! We found 3 small cracks on the edge where one of the clamps held the plexi tight against the fiberglass ledge. We stop drilled the cracks and changed technique for the second door/window installation. The door was installed on the cabin complete with hinges and latches and trimmed to give a good flush fit. We used four nylon straps around the entire fuselage and cabin with wooden blocks to apply pressure at the window edges. This pressure was left in place for about 22 hours and the results were great with NO cracks. We then did both rear cabin windows together using the four strap method of holding them in place and when we removed the straps and blocks we were saddened by the discovery of dozens of small "feathery" cracks at the pressure points. We thought of starting over with the rear windows but e-mailed Van's and when Scott said that other builders reported these cracks (Van's RV-10 with 1100 hours has them) but there have been ZERO failures, we decided to stress the cracks to see if we could get them to "run" into the center of the window. We applied heat to get the temperature of the window bond up to where the Summer Colorado sun might cause it to rise. Then we applied an ice pack to get the temperature down to where the lower flight levels might cause it to fall. An amazing result - the cracks disappeared. I don't mean that they went away - I mean they were VERY difficult (in some cases, impossible) to see. We did the windscreen with a combination of clamps on the sides and a strap around the cabin to give us holding pressure across the top. We got several small cracks at the pres! sure poi nts of the clamps - none at the strap. Our final conclusion is that the cracks are caused by high clamping pressure over time and the best way to avoid them when using Weld-on 10 is to remove your clamps (or straps) after just a few hours, maybe three of four, and keep the pressure down to no more than is needed to keep the plexi flush with the cabin. We heated all our weld-on 10 bonds to stress relieve them. Paul Hahn #40203 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167577#167577 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:28 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun N Fun Well the cuts on my hand will be healed by then...from cutting out my old t rim system and instaling yours..BTW...it works great and is VERY easy to in stall...from the git go...not really bad after I had my own installed...rea lly neat product.. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob-tcw" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 6:24:16 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun N Fun =EF=BB I'll be at Sun-n-Fun all week.=C2-=C2- TCW Technologies has an outdoor booth at spot N-96 this year.=C2- We'll have a Safety-Trim Tent set up wi th demo units and with just a little bit of luck a new product announcement !=C2- I look forward to meeting=C2- the many builders who have become Safety-Tr im customers. Best regards, Bob Newman RV-10 40176 TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Sked Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Sun N Fun What's the head count for Sun N Fun? I'll be there noon on the 8th, leaving Early Friday the 11th. Via commercial airlines. I'm staying at the Marriot Village in Orlando, about a 45 minute drive but nice if you have family (I don't) that can play at the parks while you go to the show. I really liked it last year...pretty laid back and well...fun. =C2- Rick Sked 40185 do not archive href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">ht tp://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">ht ================== ==== ======================= == ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:25 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts I didn't need a shim on the bottom, only the sides. Where you have to make up for the curve of the fuselage sides. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven DiNieri" Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 7:30:05 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts hi deems, did you use a shim under the plate to space out for the thickness of the cowl?? Steven dinieri > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:46 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts > > > Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd) > http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/ slides/DSC04175.html > I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that > it doesn't stick out and interfere with the air exiting the > lower cowl. (A John Cox > suggestion) > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > Scott Schmidt wrote: > > --> > > > > Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification > I would like to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets. > > > > Scott Schmidt > > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com > > > > On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked > wrote: > > > > > > I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side. > > > > Rick Sked > > 40185 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Olson" > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) > America/Los_Angeles > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts > > > > > > Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, they're > holding up > > great for people, and there are some now that I know > personally (I'll > > let them speak up if they wish) who didn't install them until after > > they had issues with the hinges. But, there really are no problems > > with nutplates and screws...it's really secure. > > > > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > > > > > > Vernon Smith wrote: > > Looking through some of the old postings, I found some > discussion on > > replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. > Are these > > modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 > > countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the > > mounting plate made from? > > Thanks, > > > > Vern Smith (#324) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step From: "Robin Marks" Bingo! Ben. Lew, sorry I am on the road and have too many moving parts these days to reply quickly. There is a =BD" hole drilled directly above the bolt (no pictured). That hole is normally plugged with a plastic panel plug and then the entire area covered with carpet. Regarding the door seal we used a seal sold by McMaster Carr not the vans seal. Sorry I don't have the style number. (Photo attached) Regarding the nut installation for the door, it's not that difficult to remove and I hope the doors will not have to be taken off many more times. At least not till the first flight J We cleaned up under the hinge a bit but ours do sit pretty flush. The metal is bent a bit down into the recess we made for the cover. There are a number of different ways to do this including living with a small bump at each hinge point. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step Just a thought but Cessna on occasion drilled a bolt insertion hole directly over the bolt and had an circular access panel below or adjacent to the bolt for hand access to tighten or loosen the bolt. the bolt insertion hole was covered with a chrome cap. ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step That looks pretty good but how are you going to get the bolt out? Is there room if you move the access panel all the way next to the wall panel to lift the bolt up? -Ben ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage floor access plate for step Ben, I think it's an excellent idea especially when working around the plane during construction. Think of it as Shin Insurance because you will whack yourself and it can hurt. Then you will hit your already tender shin in the exact same place and it will hurt even more. We powder coated our steps a smoke chrome and I wanted it to be removable in case the PC didn't hold up. Additionally mine are removal for the Reno Air Races. Watch out Bearcat! 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