---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/06/08: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:35 AM - Re: OSH (Bob Leffler) 2. 04:53 AM - Re: OSH (Tim Olson) 3. 05:12 AM - Shoulder harnesses (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 4. 05:15 AM - Camping gear (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 5. 05:26 AM - Re: Camping gear (Phillips, Jack) 6. 05:50 AM - Re: Camping gear (Tim Olson) 7. 06:11 AM - Re: OSH (linn Walters) 8. 06:34 AM - Re: Shoulder harnesses (Bob Leffler) 9. 06:36 AM - Re: Camping gear (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 10. 06:43 AM - Re: OSH (John Jessen) 11. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (Tim Olson) 12. 07:20 AM - Re: OSH (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 13. 07:27 AM - Re: Camping gear (Pascal) 14. 07:32 AM - Re: Camping gear (Dave Leikam) 15. 09:23 AM - Re: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 16. 11:13 AM - Re: Camping gear (johngoodman) 17. 11:18 AM - Re: OSH (johngoodman) 18. 12:00 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint (gary) 19. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Camping gear () 20. 01:03 PM - Re: Another lesson with windows (eagerlee) 21. 01:37 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (McGANN, Ron) 22. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Camping gear (John W. Cox) 23. 03:55 PM - SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues (Robin Marks) 24. 04:38 PM - Re: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues (Carl Froehlich) 25. 05:36 PM - Re: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues (Robin Marks) 26. 06:00 PM - Re: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues (PJ Seipel) 27. 06:40 PM - Death of Van's Kit 40322 (Rene) 28. 06:54 PM - Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 (Rick Sked) 29. 06:59 PM - Re: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues (Robin Marks) 30. 07:01 PM - Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 (Robin Marks) 31. 07:20 PM - Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 (Jesse Saint) 32. 07:44 PM - to Sun-N-Fun (Robert Wright) 33. 07:58 PM - Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 (Rene) 34. 09:13 PM - First FlightRigging Questions (Rene) 35. 09:13 PM - Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 (Steven DiNieri) 36. 10:42 PM - LoPresti Speed mods e-mail (johngoodman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:59 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH I was able to rent a trailer from Van Boxtel. They will deliver it from Green Bay to Osh for an additional fee. http://www.vanboxtelrv.com/ Their RVs (4 wheel kind) are a little expensive ($1,700) for the week, but their tent campers and travel trailers were reasonable. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of neil Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH Hi Guys My wife & I are hoping to be at Osh for the first time this year. However, for weight reasons we are not able to bring any camping gear. We would love to stay on the field with everyone else, rather than a hotel miles away (probably fully booked by now anyhow). Does any one know how we could hire a tent or something for a couple of days? We plan on arriving on the Monday, but have to leave Thurs AM. I presume there is somewhere to wash, & I'm sure food won't be a problem. We are really looking forward to meeting so many of you that we have emailed / talked to over the last year or so. Neil & Sarah ZK-RVT On 6 Mar 2008, at 17:00, Bob Leffler wrote: Yes, there should be a large contingent of us there. Bob and Gary have already started talking about RV-10 HQ 2008. Hopefully they'll get there early and stake out our sites again this year. I'm sure there will also be a few in airplane parking. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH We have decided to camp at OSH this year. Are any plans developing to get spots in Camp Scholler or park the 10s together in airplane camping? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2925 (20080305) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2925 (20080305) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:15 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH This year I plan to at least get my camping spot on the weekend before, if not the Friday before....adding a couple more days to the total that I have to pay. I'd rather get great spots and be close to the action than see everything too spread out. I'll probably do this regardless of what the rest of the group decides, because I know that when it comes to forking over $40-80 extra bucks there will be a few who won't want that. But, I will also be willing to reserve some sites early for a few people too. So we may end up with a situation where we are split into a couple of sections. I'd just rather have that than have us scattered around too far. As far as plans go though, even April is a bit early to begin headcounts...since there's really nothing that can be done with the EAA too far ahead. OSH is at the end of July, so as long as we can get people fired up around June 1, we should be good. Neil, I'm pretty sure between the gang we can get you a tent and/or a site. I even have an extra 5 or 7 person tent....a really big one, that I could bring if need be. You'd end up reserving a single site for it, which will cost more than the tent itself. But as Bob L. pointed out, if you want more comfort you can rent campers too. We'll help you out. If you want a camper, you may want to start making arrangements early. For those with their own, not much to do for a while. Tim Olson do not archive Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > Gary and I plan on doing essentially the same thing as last year, only > question is exactly what day well claim our ground. The past couple > of years weve gotten the sites on the Tuesday before opening weekend. > For some reason last year there were a lot more people there early and > combined with the 20 or so RV-10 spots, we wound up with the spread out > a little. After we get into April Ill take a poll and then post > exactly what were doing. > > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David McNeill > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:04 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: OSH > > > > We have decided to camp at OSH this year. Are any plans developing to > get spots in Camp Scholler or park the 10s together in airplane camping? > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:45 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Shoulder harnesses From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" Remind me what the motivation is to create new hardpoints on the fiberglass for rear seat harnesses, instead of following the plans method? TDT 40025 Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Camping gear From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" Neil & Sarah: One option would be to visit the Wal-Mart store near the field and buy yourselves a cheap tent for $50, and a couple sleeping pads and sheets for another $45. (Probably no need for sleeping bags in an Oshkosh summer!) Then just give them away to someone when it's time to leave . . . TDT 40025 Hi Guys My wife & I are hoping to be at Osh for the first time this year. However, for weight reasons we are not able to bring any camping gear. We would love to stay on the field with everyone else, rather than a hotel miles away (probably fully booked by now anyhow). Does any one know how we could hire a tent or something for a couple of days? We plan on arriving on the Monday, but have to leave Thurs AM. I presume there is somewhere to wash, & I'm sure food won't be a problem. We are really looking forward to meeting so many of you that we have emailed / talked to over the last year or so. Neil & Sarah ZK-RVT ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Camping gear From: "Phillips, Jack" Or go to the UPS store on the field at OSH and ship them to your home. It might also be possible to ship comaping gear to OSH and pick it up when you arrive. I usually just ship it to a friend who lives within driving distance of OSH and he shows up with my gear and his and we camp together Jack Phillips # 610 Still waiting on the wing kit to arrive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: Camping gear Neil & Sarah: One option would be to visit the Wal-Mart store near the field and buy yourselves a cheap tent for $50, and a couple sleeping pads and sheets for another $45. (Probably no need for sleeping bags in an Oshkosh summer!) Then just give them away to someone when it's time to leave . . . TDT 40025 Hi Guys My wife & I are hoping to be at Osh for the first time this year. However, for weight reasons we are not able to bring any camping gear. We would love to stay on the field with everyone else, rather than a hotel miles away (probably fully booked by now anyhow). Does any one know how we could hire a tent or something for a couple of days? We plan on arriving on the Monday, but have to leave Thurs AM. I presume there is somewhere to wash, & I'm sure food won't be a problem. We are really looking forward to meeting so many of you that we have emailed / talked to over the last year or so. Neil & Sarah ZK-RVT _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:33 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Camping gear Neil's from New Zealand....not much financial benefit to shipping anything. ;) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Phillips, Jack wrote: > Or go to the UPS store on the field at OSH and ship them to your home. > It might also be possible to ship comaping gear to OSH and pick it up > when you arrive. I usually just ship it to a friend who lives within > driving distance of OSH and he shows up with my gear and his and we camp > together > > > > Jack Phillips > > # 610 > > *Still* waiting on the wing kit to arrive > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy > *Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:11 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Camping gear > > > > Neil & Sarah: > > > > One option would be to visit the Wal-Mart store near the field and buy > yourselves a cheap tent for $50, and a couple sleeping pads and sheets > for another $45. (Probably no need for sleeping bags in an Oshkosh summer!) > > > > Then just give them away to someone when its time to leave . . . > > > > TDT > > 40025 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys > > > > My wife & I are hoping to be at Osh for the first time this year. > > > > However, for weight reasons we are not able to bring any camping gear. > > > > We would love to stay on the field with everyone else, rather than a > > hotel miles away (probably fully booked by now anyhow). Does any one > > know how we could hire a tent or something for a couple of days? We > > plan on arriving on the Monday, but have to leave Thurs AM. I presume > > there is somewhere to wash, & I'm sure food won't be a problem. > > > > We are really looking forward to meeting so many of you that we have > > emailed / talked to over the last year or so. > > > > Neil & Sarah > > ZK-RVT > > > > > > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > _________________________________________________ > > or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:16 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH You should be able to ship all your camping stuff to OSH ..... and ship it home through whatever address OSH uses. I'd call EAA to get the real scoop!!! If that freight company isn't available, maybe one of the local guys can handle it for you. Tip well, though!!! :-D Linn do not archive neil wrote: > Hi Guys > > My wife & I are hoping to be at Osh for the first time this year. > > However, for weight reasons we are not able to bring any camping gear. > We would love to stay on the field with everyone else, rather than a > hotel miles away (probably fully booked by now anyhow). Does any one > know how we could hire a tent or something for a couple of days? We > plan on arriving on the Monday, but have to leave Thurs AM. I presume > there is somewhere to wash, & I'm sure food won't be a problem. > > We are really looking forward to meeting so many of you that we have > emailed / talked to over the last year or so. > > Neil & Sarah > ZK-RVT ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:51 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder harnesses For belts like: http://www.inertialbelts.com/ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: Shoulder harnesses Remind me what the motivation is to create new hardpoints on the fiberglass for rear seat harnesses, instead of following the plans method? TDT 40025 Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:31 AM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Camping gear I think "ZK" is a long way to ship any gear either way...when you get to KOSH, there are stores near by where you can go, buy a tent etc., heck you can even take the bus to the NE corner and get off and walk through the security fence...walk about two blocks to a strip mall, buy all you need including a cooler and carry cart etc., and load it on the bus and make the trip back to the camp ground or camp with a friend...the items you'll need are not very expensive. The weather is usually hot and muggy in years past there have been some interesting thunderstorms in the area. So don't camp in a low area...I've been going to KOSH off and on since the 70's...been hot, buggy, cold and wet--and that was just one day and enjoyed every second of being there. Visit EAA's web site and you'll be briefed on what's there. The stuff sold in the EAA stores is a bit expensive compared to local vendors but you don't need to go off site to get some staples...there are bathrooms and shower houses but you'll need your own kit. Don't leave anything valuable unattended as things have a way at walking at KOSH. They do have security, but this is a public event and they do not have security like an airport. I think it's a good safe place but when you're with the public you don't want to leave your valuables in a tent and wonder. My son had his I-Pod go missing a few years ago from our tent and the person left our rain fly open after robbing us only to have a huge thunderstorm fill our tent and camping gear, making for a soggy, wet night at Camp Stoller. The area is huge, you can easily walk several miles from one end to the other (they do have some transportation aides and buses) and with 100,000 or more people per day going in and out it's occasionally a bit crazy. I don't know how others feel, but the food on the grounds is just OK, some aircraft clubs have dinners--book in advance, one EAA chapter has a pancake breakfast, at the seaplane basin is a great fish fly--I believe you can get tickets a head of time--the fried Perch is outstanding. You'll have a great time, it's the best place to meet and talk aviation. Most don't make it to the EAA Museum but since it's your first time going--please make a point to go over to the museum...believe it or not the EAA HQ/Museum is not near the convention...you've got to go look for it. If you've involved in a local Chapter, and your president is not attending, they can name you as there rep and you can be named to attend several closed meeting for Chapter Presidents. But once again it needs to happen a head of time...and I'm sure the RV group will help you in anyway they can... Patrick **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH From: John Jessen I think this year may be my first trip to OSH, as well. If someone is starting a list, please add my name. Not sure who else will join me at this point. Also, not sure how I'm arriving, whether by land or air, but will be camping. John J 40328 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:40 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lower Cowl Mounts This is passed on from Vic as a reply... From: Vicsyracuse I read the archives, but don't have time to monitor the list. Sorry. But I saw your question. I used the skybolt fasteners top and sides, and 5 #8 screws with tinnerman washers on the bottom on both sides of the air exit area. I did my rv-6 this way, and am doing the RV-7 the same. I used .063 for the aluminum on the 10, but am using .050 on the 7. Vic -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying William Curtis wrote: > >> Guys, >> did anyone use camlocks for the bottom cowling mounts? >> Michael > > I am. Two per side on a 0.63 base. Four of each of the below: > > 244-16 Floting Receptacle 2.89 > 4002-4 Camloc Stud 2.45 > 4002-O Camloc Grommet 1.53 > R4G Snap Rings 0.20 > > I used these on the horizontal sides of my Cardinal to replace the SouthCo fasteners and I like them a lot. Not enough however to use them in place of the hinges on the 10 except on the cowl bottom. > > The above prices are from Spruce, however if you go to OSH or Sun-N-Fun you can get them at the Aeromart for less. If you want to pay even more you can get the adjustable receptacle version but since the -4 stud will fit the thickness range of our cowling, I don't see any reason to use them. > > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." > -- Dr. Suess > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:54 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH As Tim has said, I'm a quick drive from OSH (live up by Appleton) and will be down there most of the week this year. If any -10 builders want to ship anything in advance, they are welcome to ship it to me and I can bring it down. Just contact me off list. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH You should be able to ship all your camping stuff to OSH ..... and ship it home through whatever address OSH uses. I'd call EAA to get the real scoop!!! If that freight company isn't available, maybe one of the local guys can handle it for you. Tip well, though!!! :-D Linn do not archive neil wrote: > Hi Guys > > My wife & I are hoping to be at Osh for the first time this year. > > However, for weight reasons we are not able to bring any camping gear. > We would love to stay on the field with everyone else, rather than a > hotel miles away (probably fully booked by now anyhow). Does any one > know how we could hire a tent or something for a couple of days? We > plan on arriving on the Monday, but have to leave Thurs AM. I presume > there is somewhere to wash, & I'm sure food won't be a problem. > > We are really looking forward to meeting so many of you that we have > emailed / talked to over the last year or so. > > Neil & Sarah > ZK-RVT ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:24 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Camping gear or someone can let Neil borrow an extra one from last year that wasn't given away ;-) If I could find a way out there I would certainly bring a couple of tents (they are small enough) and let someone borrow or have it. Also consider many may think the same way and Walmart will be out of tents.. than what? I personally would not feel comfortable "winging it", but may be a non issue if one is there early.. I will say Walmart does have great tents. I have done better in rain with my Walmart than my Coleman ever did.. Pascal wish I could go but have no way to get there ;-( ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:10 AM Subject: RV10-List: Camping gear Neil & Sarah: One option would be to visit the Wal-Mart store near the field and buy yourselves a cheap tent for $50, and a couple sleeping pads and sheets for another $45. (Probably no need for sleeping bags in an Oshkosh summer!) Then just give them away to someone when it's time to leave . . . TDT 40025 Hi Guys My wife & I are hoping to be at Osh for the first time this year. However, for weight reasons we are not able to bring any camping gear. We would love to stay on the field with everyone else, rather than a hotel miles away (probably fully booked by now anyhow). Does any one know how we could hire a tent or something for a couple of days? We plan on arriving on the Monday, but have to leave Thurs AM. I presume there is somewhere to wash, & I'm sure food won't be a problem. We are really looking forward to meeting so many of you that we have emailed / talked to over the last year or so. Neil & Sarah ZK-RVT ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:58 AM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Camping gear I have a couple of sleeping pads and small tent, you can use for the week. Just let me know if you need them and I will meet you at OSH with them. Dave Leikam do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Camping gear I think "ZK" is a long way to ship any gear either way...when you get to KOSH, there are stores near by where you can go, buy a tent etc., heck you can even take the bus to the NE corner and get off and walk through the security fence...walk about two blocks to a strip mall, buy all you need including a cooler and carry cart etc., and load it on the bus and make the trip back to the camp ground or camp with a friend...the items you'll need are not very expensive. The weather is usually hot and muggy in years past there have been some interesting thunderstorms in the area. So don't camp in a low area...I've been going to KOSH off and on since the 70's...been hot, buggy, cold and wet--and that was just one day and enjoyed every second of being there. Visit EAA's web site and you'll be briefed on what's there. The stuff sold in the EAA stores is a bit expensive compared to local vendors but you don't need to go off site to get some staples...there are bathrooms and shower houses but you'll need your own kit. Don't leave anything valuable unattended as things have a way at walking at KOSH. They do have security, but this is a public event and they do not have security like an airport. I think it's a good safe place but when you're with the public you don't want to leave your valuables in a tent and wonder. My son had his I-Pod go missing a few years ago from our tent and the person left our rain fly open after robbing us only to have a huge thunderstorm fill our tent and camping gear, making for a soggy, wet night at Camp Stoller. The area is huge, you can easily walk several miles from one end to the other (they do have some transportation aides and buses) and with 100,000 or more people per day going in and out it's occasionally a bit crazy. I don't know how others feel, but the food on the grounds is just OK, some aircraft clubs have dinners--book in advance, one EAA chapter has a pancake breakfast, at the seaplane basin is a great fish fly--I believe you can get tickets a head of time--the fried Perch is outstanding. You'll have a great time, it's the best place to meet and talk aviation. Most don't make it to the EAA Museum but since it's your first time going--please make a point to go over to the museum...believe it or not the EAA HQ/Museum is not near the convention...you've got to go look for it. If you've involved in a local Chapter, and your president is not attending, they can name you as there rep and you can be named to attend several closed meeting for Chapter Presidents. But once again it needs to happen a head of time...and I'm sure the RV group will help you in anyway they can... Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:37 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint Yep, we are talking about adding additional hardpoints in the rear just forward of the rear bulkhead cover to support a different mounting point for the rear seat belts. In my caser the reason for not using the factory location back in the tailcone is twofold. The first reason is because I will probably be using David's Amsafe or similar retractable belts for at least the rear seat passengers. The second is my hat shelf project eliminated the ability to run back to the longeron points. So just so we are clear, we are not talking about the factory hardpoint in the top, we are talking about ADDING harpoints. You can see David's approach at the link below. I believe he worked with some pretty smart guys in developing his method so my question is more to help me understand the rationale behind doing the work on the inside rather than the outside. http://www.inertialbelts.com/ Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint FWIW I agree with Gary 100%. The area is already beefed up and if I remember correctly the points were solid glass with no foam. I was starting to wonder if folks were talking about additional points for a different harness system. Provided that's not the case, I think the structure is good to go as is. Marcus 40286 Just about to hit 250 hours and loving it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint I think that we are missing the engineering that went into the design of the hard point built into the current structure. Typically the foam is removed in the area around the hole and filled with reinforcing material like chopped fiber or flox. This is the same thing that the Glasair folks do. This structure is sufficient to hold the shoulder harness. Additionally, fiberglass structures are meant to flex long before they break. Remember the wing on the Voyager during take off. By putting a metal washer on the outside of the structure you are creating a failure point at the outer edge. Think of it like this. If you took a one foot long tube and slid it over your fiberglass/graphite fishing rod and flexed it close to the failure point, it would fail prematurely at the end of the tube because it was not allowed to flex inside the tube. IMHO no additional structure is needed for the harness. Gary 40274 It is all together, now what? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint I talked to my TC a while back about this subject and while he isn't a composite guy, he thought that it made more sense to make the hardpoint on the exterior or the cabin top. I planned to look into it more once I got to that point but this seems to be a good time to discuss. So what do the composite guys like Gary and Dave think? In adding a hard point for seatbelts to the canopy should it be from the inside or outside? Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Marz Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint I am wondering if the hard-point for the shoulder harness connection needs to be reinforced or have a washer added on top, so it will work when needed. Any thoughts? Barry Marz 18735 Baseleg AVE. FT. Myers, Fl 33917 239-567-2271 blalmarz@embarqmail.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Camping gear From: "johngoodman" > I don't know how others feel, but the food on the grounds is just OK, That's the truth! I finally gave up last year and drove out for every meal. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168071#168071 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:10 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: OSH From: "johngoodman" Yes, I'll be camping at Sun 'n fun this year. I plan on showing up the first day (or the evening before) and setting up a tent. Will have my truck there as well. Setting up a corral would be great and I'd be glad to help stake it out if anyone is interested. John [quote="pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth."]Bob Leffler wrote: > > Yes, there should be a large contingent of us there. Bob and Gary have already started talking about RV-10 HQ 2008. Hopefully theyll get there early and stake out our sites again this year. Im sure there will also be a few in airplane parking. > Sun-N-Fun in Lakeland is coming up next month ...... anyone doing a corral for that??? Linn do not archive > [b] -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168074#168074 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:57 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint The approach David used looks sound to me. I think that he worked on the inside because it is more forgiving of the additional layers of glass he used to cover the hard points. The head liner will not show those additional layers he used to connect all the hard points. Gary 40274 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint Yep, we are talking about adding additional hardpoints in the rear just forward of the rear bulkhead cover to support a different mounting point for the rear seat belts. In my caser the reason for not using the factory location back in the tailcone is twofold. The first reason is because I will probably be using David's Amsafe or similar retractable belts for at least the rear seat passengers. The second is my hat shelf project eliminated the ability to run back to the longeron points. So just so we are clear, we are not talking about the factory hardpoint in the top, we are talking about ADDING harpoints. You can see David's approach at the link below. I believe he worked with some pretty smart guys in developing his method so my question is more to help me understand the rationale behind doing the work on the inside rather than the outside. http://www.inertialbelts.com/ Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint FWIW I agree with Gary 100%. The area is already beefed up and if I remember correctly the points were solid glass with no foam. I was starting to wonder if folks were talking about additional points for a different harness system. Provided that's not the case, I think the structure is good to go as is. Marcus 40286 Just about to hit 250 hours and loving it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint I think that we are missing the engineering that went into the design of the hard point built into the current structure. Typically the foam is removed in the area around the hole and filled with reinforcing material like chopped fiber or flox. This is the same thing that the Glasair folks do. This structure is sufficient to hold the shoulder harness. Additionally, fiberglass structures are meant to flex long before they break. Remember the wing on the Voyager during take off. By putting a metal washer on the outside of the structure you are creating a failure point at the outer edge. Think of it like this. If you took a one foot long tube and slid it over your fiberglass/graphite fishing rod and flexed it close to the failure point, it would fail prematurely at the end of the tube because it was not allowed to flex inside the tube. IMHO no additional structure is needed for the harness. Gary 40274 It is all together, now what? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint I talked to my TC a while back about this subject and while he isn't a composite guy, he thought that it made more sense to make the hardpoint on the exterior or the cabin top. I planned to look into it more once I got to that point but this seems to be a good time to discuss. So what do the composite guys like Gary and Dave think? In adding a hard point for seatbelts to the canopy should it be from the inside or outside? Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Marz Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: Shoulder Harness Hardpoint I am wondering if the hard-point for the shoulder harness connection needs to be reinforced or have a washer added on top, so it will work when needed. Any thoughts? Barry Marz 18735 Baseleg AVE. FT. Myers, Fl 33917 239-567-2271 blalmarz@embarqmail.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Camping gear I can tell you that thanks to Brenda, Susan, Andrea, and several other spouses that I can't remember their names, the folks at RV-10 HQ ate quite well most of the week. If you like corn, you were in heaven, thanks to Adrian. > > From: "johngoodman" > Date: 2008/03/06 Thu PM 02:08:20 EST > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Camping gear > > > > > I don't know how others feel, but the food on the grounds is just OK, > > > That's the truth! I finally gave up last year and drove out for every meal. > > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished > N711JG reserved > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:29 PM PST US From: "eagerlee" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another lesson with windows I got 99% iso alcohol from Safeway Supermarket pharmacy shelves. Paul Hahn ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:05 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts From: "McGANN, Ron" Has anyone tried stainless steel piano hinge on the lower cowl rather than the standard aluminium ones? If not, I will give it a try. Cheers, Ron Finshing the cowl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 2:14 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts Hey who's using hinges for the lower cowl?! Don't do it. Actually, I'm chiming in late but seems like most folks are aware of this issue. Hinges were not a problem in my -6. They did not last past 5 hours in the -10. They eyelets broke one at a time. Just on the left side. I replaced that side with nutplates/screws then the other side started to break, one eyelet at a time. Eventually I fixed both sides. I made the plates out of the old instrument panel. Didn't need shims since the hinge halves lined up in the first place. I didn't want to patch up the existing holes on the cowl where the rivets used to be so I used six #8 nutplates/screws per side, with C/S washers. Very solid as you would imagine. Anh N591VU - flying ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts > > > > Scott here's a link to 2 photos (click next to see the 2nd) > http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/slides/DSC 04175.html > I've since trimmed the inside portion of the 'flange' so that it doesn't > stick out and interfere with the air exiting the lower cowl. (A John Cox > suggestion) > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > Scott Schmidt wrote: >> >> Can someone point me to some photos. This is a modification I would like >> to make. I've already lost 2 eyelets. >> Scott Schmidt >> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com >> >> On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Rick Sked wrote: >> >> >> I made mine out of .063 aluminum, I think I used #8, three per side. >> >> Rick Sked >> 40185 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Olson" >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:33:55 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts >> >> >> Not countersunk screws....round head screws. Yes, >> they're holding up great for people, and there are >> some now that I know personally (I'll let them speak up >> if they wish) who didn't install them until after they >> had issues with the hinges. But, there really are >> no problems with nutplates and screws...it's really >> secure. >> >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> >> >> >> Vernon Smith wrote: >> Looking through some of the old postings, I found some discussion on >> replacing the lower cowl mounts with nutplates and screws. Are these >> modified mounts still holding up well during flight? Also were #10 >> countersunk screws and nut plates used? And finally what was the mounting >> plate made from? >> Thanks, >> >> Vern Smith (#324) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:06 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Camping gear From: "John W. Cox" I for one found the friendliness of the group and the quality of food beyond question. I concur that the EAA provided vending choices "On Campus" to be only OK. So I concluded this comment was not the ladies of RV-10 HQ but rather the high priced, mediocre concessionaires. I too ate most breakfasts and most dinners off campus. The only consistent exception was a soft ice-cream cone each afternoon and a trip with friends to the trunk of my car where I had an iced stash of bottle water and YES, cold Wisconsin suds and other sundry Air Show watching food products. Those of you who rallied round the trunk know that I have dialed in OSH. Several of the EAA local chapters in our area chose to rendezvous each night at a quality restaurant around the greater OSH area. Often that locale can be far south as Fond du Lac or up into Appleton. The Warbird crowd I have been seen slumming with, tends to pillage the local restaurants around the UW-Oshkosh campus. We might just start a list of twenty of the best restaurants found. Each year the internet connection capability improves substantially. Why I can even remember when there was no McDonalds on the grounds. Years ago there used to be a Walmart right up the street. It is now closed but the next closest one is about 20 miles south of RV-10 Headquarters on the West side of State Highway 41 (which is right outside the front entrance). It is where that water, beer and sundry items are acquired. As Mike Sausen can tell you, I ship ahead all my clothing inside a large cooler. The cooler gets immediately converted upon touchdown in Wisconsin. Bob & Bob & Tim, I for one have appreciated your efforts... And you too Michael. John Cox #40600 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv@thelefflers.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Camping gear I can tell you that thanks to Brenda, Susan, Andrea, and several other spouses that I can't remember their names, the folks at RV-10 HQ ate quite well most of the week. If you like corn, you were in heaven, thanks to Adrian. > > From: "johngoodman" > Date: 2008/03/06 Thu PM 02:08:20 EST > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Camping gear > > > > > I don't know how others feel, but the food on the grounds is just OK, > > > That's the truth! I finally gave up last year and drove out for every meal. > > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished > N711JG reserved ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:53 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues From: "Robin Marks" Dear list, My -10 build includes the SJ Cowl and a Hartzell BA prop. My understanding is that the James Cowl requires a 14" spinner. I know that Deems and others with the James Cowl are using different props that seem to ship with the spinner. Nice for them! I have sourced a Hartzell A-2297 metal spinner which Hartzell says is 13.9" x 17.6". I am not sure what I am more surprised about Hartzell not having a single photo, rendering or dimensional drawing / spec sheet on the spinner or that they want either side of $2,000 for the spinner. (Polished $2,073, unpolished $1,791). Geeeez Is there anyone out there using the James cowl/Hartzell BA combination that has solved this issue already? BTW I have contacted Whirl Wind, Aero Composites & UHS and none of them have, make or sell spinners for this application. Thanks, Robin RV-10 Plenum attached Cowl on its way Panel on its way Bankruptcy on its way ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:38 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues I contacted Hartzell and they confirmed the A-2297 is the right spinner for the Van's BA Hartzell prop and the Sam James cowl. I purchased a new polished Hartzell A-2297 spinner for $885 from Mustang Aeronautics. The unpolished version is $785. Here is the contact information: Chris Tieman Mustang Aeronautics, Inc. 1470 Temple City Troy, MI 48084 (248) 649-6818 www.MustangAero.com Carl Froehlich RV-10 (wings) RV-8A (400 hrs) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues Dear list, My -10 build includes the SJ Cowl and a Hartzell BA prop. My understanding is that the James Cowl requires a 14" spinner. I know that Deems and others with the James Cowl are using different props that seem to ship with the spinner. Nice for them! I have sourced a Hartzell A-2297 metal spinner which Hartzell says is 13.9" x 17.6". I am not sure what I am more surprised about Hartzell not having a single photo, rendering or dimensional drawing / spec sheet on the spinner or that they want either side of $2,000 for the spinner. (Polished $2,073, unpolished $1,791). Geeeez Is there anyone out there using the James cowl/Hartzell BA combination that has solved this issue already? BTW I have contacted Whirl Wind, Aero Composites & UHS and none of them have, make or sell spinners for this application. Thanks, Robin RV-10 Plenum attached Cowl on its way Panel on its way Bankruptcy on its way ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues From: "Robin Marks" Carl, Have you received the spinner and if so how is the fit at the root of the prop? The spinner looks kind of pointy from what I can tell from the photos on Chris' site. Do you have any photos of the spinner/cowl combination? I see you are on your wings so my guess is that you haven't purchased the cowl or the prop yet. Robin Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:40 PM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues Yeah, buy it from Mustang Aeronautics. I paid $885 + shipping for the polished version. Best price I could find. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 Carl Froehlich wrote: > > I contacted Hartzell and they confirmed the A-2297 is the right spinner for > the Van's BA Hartzell prop and the Sam James cowl. > > I purchased a new polished Hartzell A-2297 spinner for $885 from Mustang > Aeronautics. The unpolished version is $785. Here is the contact > information: > Chris Tieman > Mustang Aeronautics, Inc. > 1470 Temple City > Troy, MI 48084 > (248) 649-6818 > www.MustangAero.com > > Carl Froehlich > RV-10 (wings) > RV-8A (400 hrs) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:50 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues > > > Dear list, > My -10 build includes the SJ Cowl and a Hartzell BA prop. My > understanding is that the James Cowl requires a 14" spinner. I know that > Deems and others with the James Cowl are using different props that seem > to ship with the spinner. Nice for them! > I have sourced a Hartzell A-2297 metal spinner which Hartzell > says is 13.9" x 17.6". I am not sure what I am more surprised about > Hartzell not having a single photo, rendering or dimensional drawing / > spec sheet on the spinner or that they want either side of $2,000 for > the spinner. (Polished $2,073, unpolished $1,791). Geeeez > Is there anyone out there using the James cowl/Hartzell BA > combination that has solved this issue already? > BTW I have contacted Whirl Wind, Aero Composites & UHS and none > of them have, make or sell spinners for this application. > > Thanks, > Robin > RV-10 > Plenum attached > Cowl on its way > Panel on its way > Bankruptcy on its way > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:28 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 I am glade to announce that today kit 40322 died and in its place N423CF arose. Yes, first flight was today. Very exciting and a real milestone. Did not fly hands off, heavy left wing.......gives me something to work on. Rene' N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:05 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 Congrats Rene' In the future please try not to use "Died" in place of anything... Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene" Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 6:35:20 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 I am glade to announce that today kit 40322 died and in its place N423CF arose. Yes, first flight was today. Very exciting and a real milestone. Did not fly hands off, heavy left wing.......gives me something to work on. Rene' N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues From: "Robin Marks" His price has increased to $915.00 plus shipping for the polished which is still a heck of a lot better than $2,100.00 Thanks, Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PJ Seipel Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues Yeah, buy it from Mustang Aeronautics. I paid $885 + shipping for the polished version. Best price I could find. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 Carl Froehlich wrote: > > I contacted Hartzell and they confirmed the A-2297 is the right spinner for > the Van's BA Hartzell prop and the Sam James cowl. > > I purchased a new polished Hartzell A-2297 spinner for $885 from Mustang > Aeronautics. The unpolished version is $785. Here is the contact > information: > Chris Tieman > Mustang Aeronautics, Inc. > 1470 Temple City > Troy, MI 48084 > (248) 649-6818 > www.MustangAero.com > > Carl Froehlich > RV-10 (wings) > RV-8A (400 hrs) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:50 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: SJ Cowl, BA Prop and Spinner Issues > > > Dear list, > My -10 build includes the SJ Cowl and a Hartzell BA prop. My > understanding is that the James Cowl requires a 14" spinner. I know that > Deems and others with the James Cowl are using different props that seem > to ship with the spinner. Nice for them! > I have sourced a Hartzell A-2297 metal spinner which Hartzell > says is 13.9" x 17.6". I am not sure what I am more surprised about > Hartzell not having a single photo, rendering or dimensional drawing / > spec sheet on the spinner or that they want either side of $2,000 for > the spinner. (Polished $2,073, unpolished $1,791). Geeeez > Is there anyone out there using the James cowl/Hartzell BA > combination that has solved this issue already? > BTW I have contacted Whirl Wind, Aero Composites & UHS and none > of them have, make or sell spinners for this application. > > Thanks, > Robin > RV-10 > Plenum attached > Cowl on its way > Panel on its way > Bankruptcy on its way > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:22 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 From: "Robin Marks" Long live N423CF. Way to go Rene' Robin Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:49 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 Congratulations! Any pictures? Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 6, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Rene wrote: > > I am glade to announce that today kit 40322 died and in its place > N423CF > arose. > > Yes, first flight was today. Very exciting and a real milestone. > Did not > fly hands off, heavy left wing.......gives me something to work on. > > Rene' > N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:41 PM PST US From: Robert Wright Subject: RV10-List: to Sun-N-Fun Anyone going to Sun-N-Fun through coastal Georgia please stop by KLHW near Savannah and let's have lunch! http://airnav.com/airport/KLHW It's public use, though. NO PPR! If I get some interest I'll ask to see if the FBO will give some sort of fuel discount for Sun-N-Fun goers. If nothing else, we're having a fly-in 26 April. This is a new joint-use facility between the Army and the county based at the aged Wright Army Airfield. Rob Wright #392 Finish and FFWD as parts come in Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:37 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 This is my favorite picture. The ground crew did a great job at making sure everything was working right.....pictures, not so much. But I have not seen them all yet...... Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 Congratulations! Any pictures? Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 6, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Rene wrote: > > I am glade to announce that today kit 40322 died and in its place > N423CF > arose. > > Yes, first flight was today. Very exciting and a real milestone. > Did not > fly hands off, heavy left wing.......gives me something to work on. > > Rene' > N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:28 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RV10-List: First FlightRigging Questions OK, need some opinions........ I was very excited about my first flight today, but did have a heavy wing and used a lot of nose down trim. It had me concerned. So tonight I went through the archives and I think I have it figured out.... Heavy wing, single pilot and.......only used right fuel tank during first flight. Not planning on switching tanks until the second flight. At the end of the flight I had a full left tank and ~ 15 gallons in the right tank. Can this type of in-balance lead to a very heavy left wing? Trim could not correct it. Elevator trim, needed to use a lot of nose down trim? At takeoff I added about 1 second, maybe two of trim. Also had almost full nose down trim during cruse. Is this normal? During transition training I don't remember using as much. After the flight, we went back over the elevator trim adjustment and it is per plans...35degrees. Rene' 801-721-6080 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:30 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 awesome.. congrats.. steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:53 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 This is my favorite picture. The ground crew did a great job at making sure everything was working right.....pictures, not so much. But I have not seen them all yet...... Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322 Congratulations! Any pictures? Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 6, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Rene wrote: > > I am glade to announce that today kit 40322 died and in its place > N423CF > arose. > > Yes, first flight was today. Very exciting and a real milestone. > Did not > fly hands off, heavy left wing.......gives me something to work on. > > Rene' > N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: LoPresti Speed mods e-mail From: "johngoodman" I have received an e-mail from LoPresti's web site that has absolutely locked up my mail program. It wants a user name and password that I don't even know. It won't let me get back to my inbox. A curse on his site!!!!!! 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