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1. 04:49 AM - Re: First FlightRigging Questions (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: First FlightRigging Questions (Rene Felker)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: First FlightRigging Questions (Tim Olson)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: First FlightRigging Questions (Tim Olson)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: First FlightRigging Questions (Mark Ritter)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 (John Jessen)
7. 07:54 AM - Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 (Rene Felker)
8. 08:19 AM - Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 (rsipp@earthlink.net)
9. 08:41 AM - Lurking about (sean@hangerg.com)
10. 08:45 AM - Rudder Trim with Spring Bias (Albert Gardner)
11. 09:08 AM - Re: Lurking about (Rick Sked)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: Lurking about (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 09:28 AM - Re: Lurking about (Tim Olson)
14. 09:31 AM - Re: Lurking about (Tim Olson)
15. 09:36 AM - Re: Lurking about (Fred Williams, M.D.)
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18. 10:16 AM - Re: Lurking about (John W. Cox)
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22. 06:54 PM - Re: Lurking about (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: First FlightRigging Questions |
With just a pilot and fuel you should be using more nose-up trim than
anything. If you are using nose-down, then something is wrong. This
may sound stupid and I certainly mean no offense, but are you sure
that you are trimming nose-down? Using most of (or at least a lot of)
your nose-up trim would be fairly normal in this condition. I would
check your trims and make sure you are getting your full deflection up
on the one trim tab that goes up while the other remains in the center.
What trim do you have to offset the heavy wing? I just flew in a
fairly new RV-10 yesterday and it was flying one wing low until he
trimmed the ball into the center. That leveled it right up.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Rene wrote:
>
> OK, need some opinions........
>
> I was very excited about my first flight today, but did have a heavy
> wing
> and used a lot of nose down trim. It had me concerned. So tonight
> I went
> through the archives and I think I have it figured out....
>
> Heavy wing, single pilot and.......only used right fuel tank during
> first
> flight. Not planning on switching tanks until the second flight.
> At the
> end of the flight I had a full left tank and ~ 15 gallons in the
> right tank.
> Can this type of in-balance lead to a very heavy left wing? Trim
> could not
> correct it.
>
> Elevator trim, needed to use a lot of nose down trim? At takeoff I
> added
> about 1 second, maybe two of trim. Also had almost full nose down
> trim
> during cruse. Is this normal? During transition training I don't
> remember
> using as much.
>
> After the flight, we went back over the elevator trim adjustment and
> it is
> per plans...35degrees.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
>
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| Subject: | First FlightRigging Questions |
As far as the nose up and down, I did check that on the ground and it is
indicating correctly. It was nose down. And no question is stupid in this
case because I am a little stumped. I found a post in the archive, I think
it was Ahn, that talked about having to use nose down trim. So I was
wondering if I was just being to critical.
Once on the ground I did re-check the trim and did note that the left tab
may not be moving correctly, it does not get into the natural position, just
a little short before it moves down. I ran out of time and that is on my
list of things to check when I get back out to the airplane. If that is the
case I will have to go back and check the cam adjustment that we
did.....about 3 years ago.
As far as the heavy left wing, I do have rudder trim on the airplane and had
the ball centered with wings level. Just had to hold a lot of right aileron
to do that.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: First FlightRigging Questions
With just a pilot and fuel you should be using more nose-up trim than
anything. If you are using nose-down, then something is wrong. This
may sound stupid and I certainly mean no offense, but are you sure
that you are trimming nose-down? Using most of (or at least a lot of)
your nose-up trim would be fairly normal in this condition. I would
check your trims and make sure you are getting your full deflection up
on the one trim tab that goes up while the other remains in the center.
What trim do you have to offset the heavy wing? I just flew in a
fairly new RV-10 yesterday and it was flying one wing low until he
trimmed the ball into the center. That leveled it right up.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Rene wrote:
>
> OK, need some opinions........
>
> I was very excited about my first flight today, but did have a heavy
> wing
> and used a lot of nose down trim. It had me concerned. So tonight
> I went
> through the archives and I think I have it figured out....
>
> Heavy wing, single pilot and.......only used right fuel tank during
> first
> flight. Not planning on switching tanks until the second flight.
> At the
> end of the flight I had a full left tank and ~ 15 gallons in the
> right tank.
> Can this type of in-balance lead to a very heavy left wing? Trim
> could not
> correct it.
>
> Elevator trim, needed to use a lot of nose down trim? At takeoff I
> added
> about 1 second, maybe two of trim. Also had almost full nose down
> trim
> during cruse. Is this normal? During transition training I don't
> remember
> using as much.
>
> After the flight, we went back over the elevator trim adjustment and
> it is
> per plans...35degrees.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First FlightRigging Questions |
Rene',
First, Congrats! Next, I disagree with Jesse depending on the stage
of flight you're in, on the nose up/down trim. First, when you're
solo in the 10, you have tons of power and climb, and when you
hit the throttle you'll probably find that during certain stages
of takeoff you'll be pushing on the stick quite a bit unless you're
in trim. Out of the segmented LED, I usually have to take off
with the 3rd to 4th from the bottom segment lit. So yeah, it's
a bunch of nose-down trim during the takeoff roll. That plane
has so darn much power that takeoffs are a bit amazing...the thing
I remember most about the first takeoff is how unusual it was
when I first left the ground. The plane accelerated sharply as
soon as it left the pavement. The rolling resistance of the tires
was very significant, and when they free up, you get a good kick
in the a$$...it's way cool! But yeah, you'll be playing with the
trim on takeoff a bit. Then, when it comes time to land, I'd
agree more with Jesse....you'll be using quite a bit of nose up
trim and be on the other end of the scale. If you have full trim
deflection and it measures out correctly, I'd just say "fly it" and
get some time in so you can get the feel. It will feel more
natural over time.
As for the heavy wing....yeah, fuel imbalance in the -10 can get
you quite out of trim. The tanks are long and some fuel is far
from the center axis. The trim should be able to take care of
most of it. When I'm alone I notice it much more than when I'm
hauling people around. If you've still got a wing low, I'd
look at your aileron alignment, the shape and curvature of your
wing tip trailing edges, and your flaps. Make sure your flaps
are totally symmetrical, and that they're going all the way
up to the stops. If your flaps are symmetrical and your ailerons
are too, and the tips are nice, then aerodynamically you should
be fine. Then the key may very well be just what Jesse mentioned...
you may need to make sure your skid ball is centered. (Actually,
check that first...it's easy) There are some cool tools you
can use to center the skid ball if it's out to one side. They're
called "feet". :) If you're like most -10s, you'll probably
find that you'll need a wedge on the rudder if you don't have
rudder trim....and the common side is the left side. Being
out of rudder trim will make you hang a wing low. It's one
reason I liked adding rudder trim to the plane...When you're
flying long x/c you notice the little things....like a slight
tilt to the horizon...and it drive you nuts. Rudder trim lets
you get rid of that and make it perfect at any airspeed.
So have at it and enjoy the plane. Watch for anything critical,
but if it flies safely, get to know it and work through these
issues systematically and you'll find in the end that you can
make it fly perfect. Last night I had a beautiful night flight
and flew into downtown St. Paul with all the lights, and it was
just soooooo smooth...you're gonna love the plane!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> With just a pilot and fuel you should be using more nose-up trim than
> anything. If you are using nose-down, then something is wrong. This
> may sound stupid and I certainly mean no offense, but are you sure that
> you are trimming nose-down? Using most of (or at least a lot of) your
> nose-up trim would be fairly normal in this condition. I would check
> your trims and make sure you are getting your full deflection up on the
> one trim tab that goes up while the other remains in the center.
>
> What trim do you have to offset the heavy wing? I just flew in a fairly
> new RV-10 yesterday and it was flying one wing low until he trimmed the
> ball into the center. That leveled it right up.
>
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Rene wrote:
>
>>
>> OK, need some opinions........
>>
>> I was very excited about my first flight today, but did have a heavy wing
>> and used a lot of nose down trim. It had me concerned. So tonight I
>> went
>> through the archives and I think I have it figured out....
>>
>> Heavy wing, single pilot and.......only used right fuel tank during first
>> flight. Not planning on switching tanks until the second flight. At the
>> end of the flight I had a full left tank and ~ 15 gallons in the right
>> tank.
>> Can this type of in-balance lead to a very heavy left wing? Trim
>> could not
>> correct it.
>>
>> Elevator trim, needed to use a lot of nose down trim? At takeoff I added
>> about 1 second, maybe two of trim. Also had almost full nose down trim
>> during cruse. Is this normal? During transition training I don't
>> remember
>> using as much.
>>
>> After the flight, we went back over the elevator trim adjustment and
>> it is
>> per plans...35degrees.
>>
>> Rene'
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: First FlightRigging Questions |
Try to make sure that when the trim tab is neutral that they're both
at the same even level. Maybe you do have some adjusting to do...on
the aft end of those trim cables.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rene Felker wrote:
>
> As far as the nose up and down, I did check that on the ground and it is
> indicating correctly. It was nose down. And no question is stupid in this
> case because I am a little stumped. I found a post in the archive, I think
> it was Ahn, that talked about having to use nose down trim. So I was
> wondering if I was just being to critical.
>
> Once on the ground I did re-check the trim and did note that the left tab
> may not be moving correctly, it does not get into the natural position, just
> a little short before it moves down. I ran out of time and that is on my
> list of things to check when I get back out to the airplane. If that is the
> case I will have to go back and check the cam adjustment that we
> did.....about 3 years ago.
>
> As far as the heavy left wing, I do have rudder trim on the airplane and had
> the ball centered with wings level. Just had to hold a lot of right aileron
> to do that.
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 40322
> 801-721-6080
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:44 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: First FlightRigging Questions
>
>
> With just a pilot and fuel you should be using more nose-up trim than
> anything. If you are using nose-down, then something is wrong. This
> may sound stupid and I certainly mean no offense, but are you sure
> that you are trimming nose-down? Using most of (or at least a lot of)
> your nose-up trim would be fairly normal in this condition. I would
> check your trims and make sure you are getting your full deflection up
> on the one trim tab that goes up while the other remains in the center.
>
> What trim do you have to offset the heavy wing? I just flew in a
> fairly new RV-10 yesterday and it was flying one wing low until he
> trimmed the ball into the center. That leveled it right up.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Rene wrote:
>
>>
>> OK, need some opinions........
>>
>> I was very excited about my first flight today, but did have a heavy
>> wing
>> and used a lot of nose down trim. It had me concerned. So tonight
>> I went
>> through the archives and I think I have it figured out....
>>
>> Heavy wing, single pilot and.......only used right fuel tank during
>> first
>> flight. Not planning on switching tanks until the second flight.
>> At the
>> end of the flight I had a full left tank and ~ 15 gallons in the
>> right tank.
>> Can this type of in-balance lead to a very heavy left wing? Trim
>> could not
>> correct it.
>>
>> Elevator trim, needed to use a lot of nose down trim? At takeoff I
>> added
>> about 1 second, maybe two of trim. Also had almost full nose down
>> trim
>> during cruse. Is this normal? During transition training I don't
>> remember
>> using as much.
>>
>> After the flight, we went back over the elevator trim adjustment and
>> it is
>> per plans...35degrees.
>>
>> Rene'
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | First FlightRigging Questions |
I use a little nose down trim in cruise and attributed it to the MT prop wh
ich is twenty pounds lighter than the Hartzell. I may have a rigging probl
em but the airplane flies hands off once trimmed up. I fixed a heavy left
wing by putting a trim block (used double sided tape) under the right ailer
on (outboard). I noticed when 410RV was here in Texas it had wooden trim b
locks on the rudder and aileron. MarkRV-10/N410MR<html><div></div>
> From: rene@felker.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV10-Lis
t: First FlightRigging Questions> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 06:33:44 -0700> > -
s the nose up and down, I did check that on the ground and it is> indicatin
g correctly. It was nose down. And no question is stupid in this> case beca
use I am a little stumped. I found a post in the archive, I think> it was A
hn, that talked about having to use nose down trim. So I was> wondering if
I was just being to critical.> > Once on the ground I did re-check the trim
and did note that the left tab> may not be moving correctly, it does not g
et into the natural position, just> a little short before it moves down. I
ran out of time and that is on my> list of things to check when I get back
out to the airplane. If that is the> case I will have to go back and check
the cam adjustment that we> did.....about 3 years ago.> > As far as the hea
vy left wing, I do have rudder trim on the airplane and had> the ball cente
red with wings level. Just had to hold a lot of right aileron> to do that.>
> Rene' Felker> N423CF> 40322> 801-721-6080> -----Original Message-----> F
rom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:44 A
M> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: First FlightRigging
tion.com>> > With just a pilot and fuel you should be using more nose-up tr
im than > anything. If you are using nose-down, then something is wrong. Th
is > may sound stupid and I certainly mean no offense, but are you sure > t
hat you are trimming nose-down? Using most of (or at least a lot of) > your
nose-up trim would be fairly normal in this condition. I would > check you
r trims and make sure you are getting your full deflection up > on the one
trim tab that goes up while the other remains in the center.> > What trim d
o you have to offset the heavy wing? I just flew in a > fairly new RV-10 ye
sterday and it was flying one wing low until he > trimmed the ball into the
center. That leveled it right up.> > do not archive> > Jesse Saint> Saint
Aviation, Inc.> jesse@saintaviation.com> Cell: 352-427-0285> Fax: 815-377-3
694> > On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Rene wrote:> > > --> RV10-List message
posted by: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>> >> > OK, need some opinions........> >
> > I was very excited about my first flight today, but did have a heavy >
> wing> > and used a lot of nose down trim. It had me concerned. So tonight
> > I went> > through the archives and I think I have it figured out....>
>> > Heavy wing, single pilot and.......only used right fuel tank during >
> first> > flight. Not planning on switching tanks until the second flight.
> > At the> > end of the flight I had a full left tank and ~ 15 gallons in
the > > right tank.> > Can this type of in-balance lead to a very heavy le
ft wing? Trim > > could not> > correct it.> >> > Elevator trim, needed to u
se a lot of nose down trim? At takeoff I > > added> > about 1 second, maybe
two of trim. Also had almost full nose down > > trim> > during cruse. Is t
his normal? During transition training I don't > > remember> > using as muc
h.> >> > After the flight, we went back over the elevator trim adjustment a
nd > > it is> > per plans...35degrees.> >> > Rene'> > 801-721-6080> >> >> >
=========> > >
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| Subject: | Death of Van's Kit 40322 |
Beautiful sight. Congratulations! Now comes the dull part. Sorry that you
have to fly instead of build. Poor guy!
John J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322
This is my favorite picture. The ground crew did a great job at making sure
everything was working right.....pictures, not so much. But I have not seen
them all yet......
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322
Congratulations! Any pictures?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 6, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Rene wrote:
>
> I am glade to announce that today kit 40322 died and in its place
> N423CF arose.
>
> Yes, first flight was today. Very exciting and a real milestone.
> Did not
> fly hands off, heavy left wing.......gives me something to work on.
>
> Rene'
> N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
>
>
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| Subject: | Death of Van's Kit 40322 |
Ok, but y'all don't think the airplane is really "finished"? The second
thing my wife said was.......you are going to do something with that ugly
thing in the middle......the fiberglass console. I assured her that I would
do something, just did not commit to what.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322
Beautiful sight. Congratulations! Now comes the dull part. Sorry that you
have to fly instead of build. Poor guy!
John J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322
This is my favorite picture. The ground crew did a great job at making sure
everything was working right.....pictures, not so much. But I have not seen
them all yet......
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Death of Van's Kit 40322
Congratulations! Any pictures?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 6, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Rene wrote:
>
> I am glade to announce that today kit 40322 died and in its place
> N423CF arose.
>
> Yes, first flight was today. Very exciting and a real milestone.
> Did not
> fly hands off, heavy left wing.......gives me something to work on.
>
> Rene'
> N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Death of Van's Kit 40322 |
Way to go Rene. Let us know what the wing heavy cause was when you find it.
Dick Sipp
N110DV close
do not archieve
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Ok, so here goes. I have been lurking about and I am getting ready to pull
the trigger and purchase my RV10 kit from vans but I was wondering if any
bigger induviduals can chime in. I am a fairly large guy 6 foot 1 and 235
pounds, how comfortable is the RV10 on longer trips. I currently have a
cherokee 180 and the cabin room just isnt enough for my wife. So
subsequently my wife doesnt like to fly longer trips becuase of comfort. So
I am looking for input prior to calling vans and placing the order. I like
the performance and the cabin seems like its much larger than the 180 I'm
flying.
Thanks for the help.
Sean Garrison
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| Subject: | Rudder Trim with Spring Bias |
The rudder trim system I have just installed seems to work very well. I
used
the same parts van uses for the aileron trim. I had already installed
and
wired in the LED trim indicator on my instrument panel and had a 5 wire
cable run into the tail cone when I built the plane. I neglected to put
a
trim switch on the panel at the same time so I had to add that. (I can't
remember why I didn't already have the switch installed - it sure would
have
made it simple then.) I made a pulley bracket that installs on top of
F-1035
Battery/Bellcrank Mount and positions the pulley approximately between
the
rudder cables. (Later the elevator trim servo motor mount will install
on
top of this bracket and use the same screws.) I couldn't think of a neat
way
to attach to the rudder cables so I ran additional cables from the
rudder
trim servo back to the rudder horn and attached them there. Only had to
drill 4 holes in the bottom skin to mount the trim servo and, if you
don't
count some missing skin and mild curses, installation was easy
especially
since I had already run the wires and the indicator was in place and
wired.
I picked up power and ground from the nearby flap switch. The pulley
bracket
is .032 with the edges bent up and a .032 doubler under the pulley. The
springs span a 12" gap just like the aileron trim system does but I may
add
a bit more tension. I sort of holds the rudder from swinging easily on
the
ground but really doesn't function as a gust lock.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma,
AZ
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Sean,
I'm 6', 260 heading towards 220. Mt time in the -10 was when I was almost 320...and
I fit OK. You should not have any issues it is very roomy. The back even
more so.
Rick Sked
40185
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From: sean@hangerg.com
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 8:37:00 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Lurking about
Ok, so here goes. I have been lurking about and I am getting ready to pull
the trigger and purchase my RV10 kit from vans but I was wondering if any
bigger induviduals can chime in. I am a fairly large guy 6 foot 1 and 235
pounds, how comfortable is the RV10 on longer trips. I currently have a
cherokee 180 and the cabin room just isnt enough for my wife. So
subsequently my wife doesnt like to fly longer trips becuase of comfort. So
I am looking for input prior to calling vans and placing the order. I like
the performance and the cabin seems like its much larger than the 180 I'm
flying.
Thanks for the help.
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I think you will find it rather comfortable for a 4 place. There are a lot of
us corn fed boys on the list and I have yet to hear anyone complain about long
trips. I'm sure Tim will chime in here and he is another guy that is fairly
big. The few times I have been up for flights I never noticed a comfort problem
and I'm 6'2" and 260. I do have a lot of hanger time making airplane noises
though. :)
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sean@hangerg.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Lurking about
Ok, so here goes. I have been lurking about and I am getting ready to pull
the trigger and purchase my RV10 kit from vans but I was wondering if any
bigger induviduals can chime in. I am a fairly large guy 6 foot 1 and 235
pounds, how comfortable is the RV10 on longer trips. I currently have a
cherokee 180 and the cabin room just isnt enough for my wife. So
subsequently my wife doesnt like to fly longer trips becuase of comfort. So
I am looking for input prior to calling vans and placing the order. I like
the performance and the cabin seems like its much larger than the 180 I'm
flying.
Thanks for the help.
Sean Garrison
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Sean,
I'm currently pretty much identically sized as you....(wish I wasn't,
'cuz it ain't all muscle, but hey...I do what I can do)
I can tell you that the RV-10 has considerably more capacity than
what I take up. I am not at all large for that plane. You could
be taller, wider or both, and probably be just fine. When my
seats are cold, my head hits the top....until I warm it up
and the foam conforms better. I could fix that with baked beans
though.
I've flown > 10hr days and found it more comfortable than 2 hours
in the car. The standard Van's seats from oregon aero are
exceedingly comfortable.
You just won't be disappointed. Might want to go for a demo
flight just to prove it to yourself. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
sean@hangerg.com wrote:
>
> Ok, so here goes. I have been lurking about and I am getting ready to pull
> the trigger and purchase my RV10 kit from vans but I was wondering if any
> bigger induviduals can chime in. I am a fairly large guy 6 foot 1 and 235
> pounds, how comfortable is the RV10 on longer trips. I currently have a
> cherokee 180 and the cabin room just isnt enough for my wife. So
> subsequently my wife doesnt like to fly longer trips becuase of comfort. So
> I am looking for input prior to calling vans and placing the order. I like
> the performance and the cabin seems like its much larger than the 180 I'm
> flying.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Sean Garrison
>
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Gee, thanks Michael... (LMAO!)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> I'm sure Tim will chime in here and he is
> another guy that is fairly big.
> Michael
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Go for it. You will love this airplane. I've ridden in the demonstrator
and in my friends RV 10. Plenty of room. Enough for a center console if
you want it. Take the plunge.
Fred Williams
40515
sean@hangerg.com wrote:
>
> Ok, so here goes. I have been lurking about and I am getting ready to pull
> the trigger and purchase my RV10 kit from vans but I was wondering if any
> bigger induviduals can chime in. I am a fairly large guy 6 foot 1 and 235
> pounds, how comfortable is the RV10 on longer trips. I currently have a
> cherokee 180 and the cabin room just isnt enough for my wife. So
> subsequently my wife doesnt like to fly longer trips becuase of comfort. So
> I am looking for input prior to calling vans and placing the order. I like
> the performance and the cabin seems like its much larger than the 180 I'm
> flying.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Sean Garrison
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You'll fit. However, you may need to convince yourself of that and find a
-10 to sit in. In fact, I'd be willing to say that you could fit two of yo
u and two 180-lb guys in the plane and not be cramped.=0A=0ARob Wright=0A#3
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RV 10 tail kit for sale. $2,650. All parts completed except tail cone.
Houston, TX area. Marvin ' 281-342-7802
3/6/2008
9:07 AM
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Sean -
This exact issue was addressed before the first prototype flew from VANS
N410RV. As I tell the story, Van, Ken Krueger, Gus and Tom Green all
have narrow hips of engineers.
Scott Risen offered me to sit in the prototype cockpit to which I then
immediately offered a friend, Bill McDonald, to get in with me. Bill
moved for the Pilots seat (without hesitation), I slid into the Flight
Instructor seat. Bill is 6'4 and 285#, at the time I was over 6'2" and
235#. I am north of that now.
Back to the story... I asked how Scott intended to get the clamshell
doors closed. Our outboard shoulders were both out of the canopy
curvature. The 10" wide tunnel was reduced in width (to its current
width) and as I suggested they moved the two seats closer to the
centerline. The result is that two BIG GUYS can move around, obtain
objects from the rear seat, stretch their legs and still have room to
spare. I even have pictures available as to what the legroom looks like
from the rear when Tim Olson is flying. The sight lines over the engine
cowl are quite good as well. The only negative is the solar gain from
so much visibility.
The solution, get a short ride with a flying RV-10 in your area. If you
mention offline where you are located, I will check my database and give
you three of the closest flying RV-10s to try on the fit. The water is
great "Come on In".
John Cox
#40600
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sean@hangerg.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Lurking about
Ok, so here goes. I have been lurking about and I am getting ready to
pull
the trigger and purchase my RV10 kit from vans but I was wondering if
any
bigger induviduals can chime in. I am a fairly large guy 6 foot 1 and
235
pounds, how comfortable is the RV10 on longer trips. I currently have a
cherokee 180 and the cabin room just isnt enough for my wife. So
subsequently my wife doesnt like to fly longer trips becuase of comfort.
So
I am looking for input prior to calling vans and placing the order. I
like
the performance and the cabin seems like its much larger than the 180
I'm
flying.
Thanks for the help.
Sean Garrison
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rv(at)thelefflers.com wrote:
> I was able to rent a trailer from Van Boxtel. They will deliver it from Green Bay to Osh for an additional fee. http://www.vanboxtelrv.com/ (http://www.vanboxtelrv.com/)? Their RVs (4 wheel kind) are a little expensive ($1,700) for the week, but their tent campers and travel trailers were reasonable.
>
We just signed up for the last available 16' trailer (at least that is what I was
told). We will pick it up as the delivery/set up fee was $400 big ones. Plan
on arriving either Friday evening or Sat AM. and leaving Thursday but might
stay until Fri early AM.
Getting close [Mr. Green]
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RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168283#168283
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Sean,
I have a Cherokee 180 and my wife's #1 concern was legroom in the back seat.
Here's a pic from the back of Dave Saylor's RV-10. I'm 6'2", 230lbs and as
you can see there is plenty of room in the back seat. I can't remember if
it was Dave Ward or John Goodman in the back seat with me, but it was a very
comfortable ride. Nothing like a Cherokee. There was a good 6" between my
knees and the back of the front seat.
http://www.kitlog.com/photos/project_260/full/FP31012008A0002T.jpg
bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sean@hangerg.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Lurking about
Ok, so here goes. I have been lurking about and I am getting ready to
pull
the trigger and purchase my RV10 kit from vans but I was wondering if
any
bigger induviduals can chime in. I am a fairly large guy 6 foot 1 and
235
pounds, how comfortable is the RV10 on longer trips. I currently have a
cherokee 180 and the cabin room just isnt enough for my wife. So
subsequently my wife doesnt like to fly longer trips becuase of comfort.
So
I am looking for input prior to calling vans and placing the order. I
like
the performance and the cabin seems like its much larger than the 180
I'm
flying.
Thanks for the help.
Sean Garrison
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So how did you get taller John? :-D
Is that airline work that elevating?
John W. Cox wrote:
> Bill is 6'4 and 285#, at the time I was over 6'2" and
> 235#. I am north of that now.
>
>
>
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Folks don't believe it because of the low seating position, but even the
oldest Mooneys are wider than both the Cherokee and the Bonanza. RV-10
has plenty of room.
Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> I have a Cherokee 180 and my wife's #1 concern was legroom in the back seat.
> Here's a pic from the back of Dave Saylor's RV-10. I'm 6'2", 230lbs and as
> you can see there is plenty of room in the back seat. I can't remember if
> it was Dave Ward or John Goodman in the back seat with me, but it was a very
> comfortable ride. Nothing like a Cherokee. There was a good 6" between my
> knees and the back of the front seat.
>
> http://www.kitlog.com/photos/project_260/full/FP31012008A0002T.jpg
>
> bob
>
>
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Shrinking in height from ole age and the weight increase while trying to
match Michael Sausen... at the same time eating Tim's Chili.
I want an RV-10 figure like Rick Sked and Deems who are becoming only a
wisp of there former selves last year.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lurking about
So how did you get taller John? :-D
Is that airline work that elevating?
John W. Cox wrote:
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> Bill is 6'4 and 285#, at the time I was over 6'2" and
> 235#. I am north of that now.
>
>
>
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I'm 6 2 and give or take 210 lbs. and I fit very well in Russ's 10. I think you
will find that if I or my partner Rick can fit then you and your wife can fit.
For a funny ,mental thought, think of me and Rick Sked in the front of my
old Cessna 172, circa 1958. If we can fit there then you and your wife could
easily fit in the 10. FWIW, both Rick and I have slimmed down, but he has done
much better at weight loss than I have. I just went for more horsepower.
Bob K
Working slowly, estimate someday.
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lurking about
Sean,
I'm 6', 260 heading towards 220. Mt time in the -10 was when I was almost 320...and
I fit OK. You should not have any issues it is very roomy. The back even
more so.
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: sean@hangerg.com
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 8:37:00 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Lurking about
Ok, so here goes. I have been lurking about and I am getting ready to pull
the trigger and purchase my RV10 kit from vans but I was wondering if any
bigger induviduals can chime in. I am a fairly large guy 6 foot 1 and 235
pounds, how comfortable is the RV10 on longer trips. I currently have a
cherokee 180 and the cabin room just isnt enough for my wife. So
subsequently my wife doesnt like to fly longer trips becuase of comfort. So
I am looking for input prior to calling vans and placing the order. I like
the performance and the cabin seems like its much larger than the 180 I'm
flying.
Thanks for the help.
Sean Garrison
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