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1. 03:30 AM - Re: Lurking about (Russell Daves)
2. 04:34 AM - Butyl inner tubes "just don't leak" (Tim Lewis)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Lurking about (Sean Garrison)
4. 08:54 AM - Brake Temperatures (Les Kearney)
5. 10:30 AM - Re: lessons learned installing plexiglas with Weld-on 10 (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
6. 12:30 PM - Power grid placements on AA panels (Jay Rowe)
7. 12:43 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
8. 01:17 PM - Re: Power grid placements on AA panels (Bob-tcw)
9. 01:46 PM - Re: Power grid placements on AA panels (Rene)
10. 02:57 PM - Re: Power grid placements on AA panels (Rick Sked)
11. 03:01 PM - Re: Power grid placements on AA panels (Rick Sked)
12. 03:43 PM - ShowPlanes Tail mod (Kelly McMullen)
13. 07:08 PM - TT mounting specifications (orchidman)
14. 07:40 PM - Re: TT mounting specifications (FLAGSTONE)
15. 07:45 PM - Re: TT mounting specifications (Chris)
16. 08:02 PM - Re: TT mounting specifications (Jesse Saint)
17. 08:41 PM - Re: TT mounting specifications (Bill DeRouchey)
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| Subject: | Re: Lurking about |
Sean,
I'm 6', 260 heading towards 220. Mt time in the -10 was when I was
almost 320...and
I fit OK. You should not have any issues it is very roomy. The
back even
more so.
Rick Sked
40185
I have read all the posts and guess I better put my two cents worth in
as well. Since Rick Sked owned up to being a little heavy when he flew
my -10 (I was in the left seat and Rick in the right) I will confess to
being fat and happy as well At the time I was about 265 and am 5'10"
tall. With Rick at 320 and me at 265 the front seats were a little
crowded but I was not touching either the door or Rick's shoulder.
Admittedly Rick and I were only doing a local flight but size wise it
was a really good test. By the way on one local flight Rick was in the
back seat and with me and a 180 lb guy up front the -10 at Las Vegas
still performed like a winner.
Bob K. (6'2" and 210), his wife and mine flew back from Las Vegas to El
Paso along with full baggage and everybody was really happy with the
room in the -10. Guys in front, girls in back. No, I wouldn't be dumb
enough to post the weights of the wives!!! If I did my wife would see
to it I lost all my excess weight running away.
To give you a comparison, I owned three different C-182's, and the -10
is lots bigger inside than the C-182.
Russ Daves
N710RV - 190+ hours
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| Subject: | Butyl inner tubes "just don't leak" |
A February 2008 Aviation Consumer article on tires says"
"...Until recently, tubes were manufactured from a natural rubber
compound. Unfortunately, natural rubber is relatively porous and loses
pressure more readily than synthetic materials. Therefore, your tires
would lose pressure and go soft, too.
Enter the butyl rubber tube, now largely the standard among all aircraft
inner tube manufacturers. Since unused inner tubes are perfectly good
for installation, were not saying you wont find a natural rubber tube
out there on some shops shelf. Its perfectly serviceable, it just
wont hold air as well.
Goodyears Brown says the new butyl tubes, introduced some seven years
ago, improve air retention by a factor of about 10. Steve Chlavin of
Desser Tire, the GA industrys mega tire retailer, agrees, saying, "The
new butyl leak-resistant tubes just dont leak.""
It's fairly easy to add air to my RV-6A tires - the valve stems point
out, so the tire can be aired through a small hole in the fairing. The
situation is more challenging in a stock RV-10 (valve stems on the mains
point toward the axle, for example). With this in mind, does anybody
know whether the tires Vans shipped with the RV-10 kits are butyl or
natural rubber?
Tim
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Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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| Subject: | Re: Lurking about |
Thank you so much for all of the feedback it is very much appreciated. I
guess I will have to get my backside into a 10 and take a flight either at
Sun&Fun or with some fine individual that has a Florida. From the sounds of
it I will have plenty of room. I do have one question though How much room
loss will occur with interior work?
Thanks All
Sean Garrison
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lurking about
Sean,
I'm 6', 260 heading towards 220. Mt time in the -10 was when I was
almost 320...and
I fit OK. You should not have any issues it is very roomy. The back
even
more so.
Rick Sked
40185
I have read all the posts and guess I better put my two cents worth in as
well. Since Rick Sked owned up to being a little heavy when he flew my -10
(I was in the left seat and Rick in the right) I will confess to being fat
and happy as well At the time I was about 265 and am 5'10" tall. With Rick
at 320 and me at 265 the front seats were a little crowded but I was not
touching either the door or Rick's shoulder.
Admittedly Rick and I were only doing a local flight but size wise it was a
really good test. By the way on one local flight Rick was in the back seat
and with me and a 180 lb guy up front the -10 at Las Vegas still performed
like a winner.
Bob K. (6'2" and 210), his wife and mine flew back from Las Vegas to El Paso
along with full baggage and everybody was really happy with the room in the
-10. Guys in front, girls in back. No, I wouldn't be dumb enough to post
the weights of the wives!!! If I did my wife would see to it I lost all my
excess weight running away.
To give you a comparison, I owned three different C-182's, and the -10 is
lots bigger inside than the C-182.
Russ Daves
N710RV - 190+ hours
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| Subject: | Brake Temperatures |
Hi
I was wondering if anyone has ever put temperature probes near the main
brakes on the -10. I have read about a few cases where there have been brake
overheating problems on various RV variations that have resulted in
significant damage. It would seem that this should be a simple issue to
monitor.
Inquiring minds need to know..
Les Kearney
#40643
C-GCWZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: lessons learned installing plexiglas with Weld-on 10 |
Appreciate the write-up.
Kevin
40494
do not archive
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| Subject: | Power grid placements on AA panels |
Ahn, or anyone else with an Accuracy Avionics Panel for their 10:
Where are you placing the primary and secondary power grids? Looks to
me like the forward surface of the subpanel would be okay; a little
hard to reach but doable. Also could the manifold pressure sensing unit
go there as well? I also plan to put the door closure indicator relay
units there too. All suggestions welcomed. Jay Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
Howdy,
Is the problem at the firewall/cowl margin or between the
top and bottom cowl halves?
Is the hinge you replaced on the side or bottom of the lower
cowl? Would you have any pics?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
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From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lower Cowl Mounts
>
>Hey who's using hinges for the lower cowl?! Don't do it.
>Actually, I'm chiming in late but seems like most folks
>are aware of this issue. Hinges were not a problem in my
>-6. They did not last past 5 hours in the -10. They
>eyelets broke one at a time. Just on the left side. I
>replaced that side with nutplates/screws then the other
>side started to break, one eyelet at a time. Eventually I
>fixed both sides. I made the plates out of the old
>instrument panel. Didn't need shims since the hinge halves
>lined up in the first place. I didn't want to patch up
>the existing holes on the cowl where the rivets used to be
>so I used six #8 nutplates/screws per side, with C/S
>washers. Very solid as you would imagine. Anh
>N591VU - flying
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| Subject: | Re: Power grid placements on AA panels |
Jay, We are using the Acuracy Avoinics glass instrument panel and
center console in our 10 and we are working out the details now. We
have the version of the panel with the centered radio stack. We are
using AFS 3500s on each side and a center stack of a GMX-200 mfd and 2
garmin 430w. I think the real challenge is the cutting and
re-supporting of the three main instrument panel ribs. I'm just days
away from posting the pictures of how we did it. When we are ready
I'll add the pictures to the RV-10 section of our web site. We
machined an aluminum arch out of billet 6061 aluminum with an L shaped
profile to resupport the material that just has to be removed from the
three ribs to accomidated the AFS glass panels. I think most of the
power and ground buses will be attached to the forward sub panel.
Additionally, I'm putting a small fuse block bus in the rear of the
aircraft on my equipment rack I made behind the baggage area. I have
pictures of that already up on our site. more to follow.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies.
www.tcwtech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Rowe
To: RV10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Power grid placements on AA panels
Ahn, or anyone else with an Accuracy Avionics Panel for their 10:
Where are you placing the primary and secondary power grids? Looks to
me like the forward surface of the subpanel would be okay; a little
hard to reach but doable. Also could the manifold pressure sensing unit
go there as well? I also plan to put the door closure indicator relay
units there too. All suggestions welcomed. Jay Rowe
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| Subject: | Power grid placements on AA panels |
This may be hard to explain and I got my panel from Stein. But here
you
go. I have three power buses, main, battery and e-bus. I took a
little
different route. I used a flat piece of AL about 4" by 6" and mounted
my MP
sensor, trim relays, a terminal board and a couple of other things. I
used
both sides. The I mounted that on the bottom of the subpanel, the
flange,
using the three bus terminals to hold it in place. So, if I need to
work on
anything on that piece, I just remove the three bus connections and the
panel drops down.
Because of a MP problem..I pushed the pin the wrong position in the
connector...I have had to drop it once already and it worked pretty
good.
Sorry, no pictures.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Rowe
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Power grid placements on AA panels
Ahn, or anyone else with an Accuracy Avionics Panel for their 10:
Where
are you placing the primary and secondary power grids? Looks to me like
the
forward surface of the subpanel would be okay; a little hard to reach
but
doable. Also could the manifold pressure sensing unit go there as well?
I
also plan to put the door closure indicator relay units there too. All
suggestions welcomed. Jay Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Power grid placements on AA panels |
Jay,
I mounted the buss on the left forward rib. This left a short run from the
buss to the starter relay and my main feed runs down the left side also. I
mounte the rack using nutplases so if I have to remove it I can do do from
underneath the panel...not fun but doable. I mounted the manifold pressure
=C2-transducer on the right forward bulkhead facing the fiewall. Makes fo
r a short run to the bulkhead adapter. I know you goiung to ask for pics bu
t.....I have to find out where in my vast photos files they are. I have all
kinds of pictures of that area but none of exactly what your looking for.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 12:26:30 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Power grid placements on AA panels
Ahn, or anyone else with an Accuracy Avionics Panel for their 10:=C2-=C2
- Where are=C2-you=C2-placing the primary and secondary power grids?
=C2- Looks to me like the forward surface of the subpanel would be okay;
=C2- a little hard to reach but doable.=C2- Also could the manifold pre
ssure sensing unit go there as well?=C2- I also plan to put the door clos
ure indicator relay units=C2-there too.=C2- All suggestions welcomed.
=C2- Jay Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Power grid placements on AA panels |
Oh yeah,...mount the door relays to a piece of aluminum matched drilled and
install nutplates=C2-to anywhere on the ribs or bulkheads. Attach the re
lays to that little aluminum piece. Hook up the relay leads to the relays a
nd intall it a one unit where you made your nutplates to hold it. It is way
easier to slide the terminals on then mount the relays....trust me, I just
hooked those up an hour ago.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 12:26:30 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Power grid placements on AA panels
Ahn, or anyone else with an Accuracy Avionics Panel for their 10:=C2-=C2
- Where are=C2-you=C2-placing the primary and secondary power grids?
=C2- Looks to me like the forward surface of the subpanel would be okay;
=C2- a little hard to reach but doable.=C2- Also could the manifold pre
ssure sensing unit go there as well?=C2- I also plan to put the door clos
ure indicator relay units=C2-there too.=C2- All suggestions welcomed.
=C2- Jay Rowe
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| Subject: | ShowPlanes Tail mod |
Anyone considering Showplanes upper tailcone mod to change the rear fuselage
profile? Seems like it would allow placement of an antenna or two under it.
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| Subject: | TT mounting specifications |
Does anyone have the specs for the TruTrak flat pack DigiFlight II? I have the
servos but am trying to wait until later in getting the head. However this then
creates another problem and this is planning the instrument panel. I know
the panel cut out sizes but not what goes behind the panel. Is the housing wider
then the front panel? How far back does it go and what extra clearance is
needed? I have searched their site and can not find any sizing documents.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168521#168521
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| Subject: | Re: TT mounting specifications |
Gary:
This ref has the overall dimensions. If the flat pack dimensions are
consistent with the standard model, the dimensions shown are for the case
size. I happened to have my standard version out and I checked its
dimensions. They agree to the site.
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/instruments.htm
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: TT mounting specifications
>
> Does anyone have the specs for the TruTrak flat pack DigiFlight II? I
have the servos but am trying to wait until later in getting the head.
However this then creates another problem and this is planning the
instrument panel. I know the panel cut out sizes but not what goes behind
the panel. Is the housing wider then the front panel? How far back does it
go and what extra clearance is needed? I have searched their site and can
not find any sizing documents.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> Fuselage SB
> (N410GB reserved)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168521#168521
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TT mounting specifications |
Was looking at this earlier today too. The depth is shown on the product
page on the website as 5.5 inch, for flat pack or round. The cutout is in
the install manual. Be nice if they had a 3 view somewhere.
-Chris Lucas
#40072
----- Original Message -----
From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: TT mounting specifications
>
> Does anyone have the specs for the TruTrak flat pack DigiFlight II? I
> have the servos but am trying to wait until later in getting the head.
> However this then creates another problem and this is planning the
> instrument panel. I know the panel cut out sizes but not what goes behind
> the panel. Is the housing wider then the front panel? How far back does
> it go and what extra clearance is needed? I have searched their site and
> can not find any sizing documents.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> Fuselage SB
> (N410GB reserved)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168521#168521
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TT mounting specifications |
The dimensions are on their website as '1.6 H x 4.3 W x 5.5 D'
whereas the cutout is 4.14" W and 1.44" H. The website has this on
the main info page for the instrument, although probably not in the
documents. They also ship with it a front plate that can be used, I
assume, to fit it into a radio stack width cutout.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 8, 2008, at 9:59 PM, orchidman wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the specs for the TruTrak flat pack DigiFlight II?
> I have the servos but am trying to wait until later in getting the
> head. However this then creates another problem and this is
> planning the instrument panel. I know the panel cut out sizes but
> not what goes behind the panel. Is the housing wider then the front
> panel? How far back does it go and what extra clearance is needed?
> I have searched their site and can not find any sizing documents.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> Fuselage SB
> (N410GB reserved)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168521#168521
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TT mounting specifications |
Looks like you are getting this in pieces and unfortunately this is from memory.
The front top & bottom are 3/8" above and below the cutout, add 1/2" for each
side. Use 5.5" for depth but add 2.5" for DB-25 connector and pitot/static connections.
Bill DeRouchey
#40029, flying
Chris <toaster73@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Was looking at this earlier today too. The depth is shown on the product
page on the website as 5.5 inch, for flat pack or round. The cutout is in
the install manual. Be nice if they had a 3 view somewhere.
-Chris Lucas
#40072
----- Original Message -----
From: "orchidman"
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: TT mounting specifications
>
> Does anyone have the specs for the TruTrak flat pack DigiFlight II? I
> have the servos but am trying to wait until later in getting the head.
> However this then creates another problem and this is planning the
> instrument panel. I know the panel cut out sizes but not what goes behind
> the panel. Is the housing wider then the front panel? How far back does
> it go and what extra clearance is needed? I have searched their site and
> can not find any sizing documents.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> Fuselage SB
> (N410GB reserved)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168521#168521
>
>
>
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