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1. 05:02 AM - Florida Builders (Doug Gee)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: Lurking about (Russell Daves)
3. 08:32 AM - Brake Temperatures Hi (jimandlaura)
4. 08:46 AM - Electric/Gas Tow Bars (Rene)
5. 08:53 AM - Re: Brake Temperatures Hi (Lew Gallagher)
6. 11:41 AM - Re: Rudder Trim with Spring Bias (jkreidler)
7. 11:42 AM - Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box (Michael Wellenzohn)
8. 12:14 PM - Re: Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box (Marcus Cooper)
9. 12:21 PM - Re: Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box (Carl Froehlich)
10. 12:30 PM - Re: Electric/Gas Tow Bars (Jesse Saint)
11. 02:01 PM - Re: Power grid placements on AA panels (Jay Rowe)
12. 02:09 PM - Re: Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box (Tim Olson)
13. 02:43 PM - tail light strobe combo (John Gonzalez)
14. 04:29 PM - Re: tail light strobe combo (Tim Olson)
15. 06:12 PM - RVator (tganster)
16. 06:44 PM - Re: TT mounting specifications (orchidman)
17. 06:54 PM - Re: Electric/Gas Tow Bars (Larry Rosen)
18. 07:52 PM - Re: Electric/Gas Tow Bars (Vernon Smith)
19. 08:16 PM - Re: Electric/Gas Tow Bars (Deems Davis)
20. 08:22 PM - Re: Lower Cowl Mounts (tintopranch)
21. 08:33 PM - RV10 missing in Texas (Deems Davis)
22. 08:40 PM - RV-10 missing in Texas (Rick Sked)
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| Subject: | Florida Builders |
I have just flown my 172 from Ont Canada to KZPH for vacation. I am 90 percent
sure I am going to build an RV10 as soon as I get some home reno projects out
of the way. Just wondering if there are any central Florida builders up for
a visit and a "few" questions? Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Lurking about |
How much room loss will occur with interior work?
My previous posting was based on the finished interior work, not
stripped down. If you climb into the back seat of an unfinished -10
without seats, carpet, or side panels installed you could fit two 6"10"
375 lb sumu wrestlers.
Russ Daves
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| Subject: | Brake Temperatures Hi |
Les,
I can confirm this. Shortly after finishing my RV-6 I had a problem with my left
brake not releasing all the way. This resulted in my brake heating up enough
to cause my tube to leak. My left brake peddle had a little bit of friction
that wasn't allowing the peddle to return to the forward position. This little
bit, maybe 1/4"-3/8", of hang-up was keeping enough pressure on the brake
to cause my leak. I tried cleaning up and lubricating the peddle, but it still
would not return all the way. I ended up being able to put more tension on
the springs in the brake calipers by inserting a couple washers. This worked
very well and fixed the problem.
Jim Riley
#40191
Finishing
Time: 08:54:50 AM PST US
From: Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
Subject: Brake Temperatures Hi
I was wondering if anyone has ever put temperature probes near the main brakes
on the -10. I have read about a few cases where there have been brake overheating
problems on various RV variations that have resulted in significant damage.
It would seem that this should be a simple issue to monitor.
Inquiring minds need to know..
Les Kearney
#40643
C-GCWZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Electric/Gas Tow Bars |
Any recommendations on Electric or Gas powered tow bars. Now that I am
actually taking the completed..almost..in and out of the hanger I see a
need
for one. I can get the airplane out of the hanger no problem but
getting it
back in is a different story. I thought about putting a winch in the
back
of the hanger and just pulling it in, but the tow bar may be easier.
Any recommendations for one that works well with the wheel pans on?
Rene'
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Temperatures Hi |
Hey Jim,
Springs in the calipers? Did I miss something? I'll have to go back and check,
but I don't remember that. Maybe in the pedal cylinders? At any rate, I'll
certainly check it out before we put fluid in the system.
Later, - Lew
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crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Landing gear installed, we're mobile!
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Trim with Spring Bias |
Albert, I really like this approach. I especially like the ease of installation,
this is something that could be added after the fact without much headache
at all. I had never thought of mounting the mechanism in the tail cone, I was
always trying to 'wedge' it in the tunnel somewhere. Nice work!
I do have some questions though. Are the springs initially stretched? In other
words if the rudder placed at full deflection do both springs still have tension
in them (one spring barely tensioned, and the other nearly fully extended)?
What trim force do you think you are getting? I had sent an e-mail to Vans asking
what input they thought would be required. They told me that a 5 to 10 pound
force as measured at the bottom of the rudder pedal should take care of any
'normal' trim, 25 pounds could be required to compensate for takeoff forces.
I have been crunching numbers on the torsion spring bias system that I had designed.
I am having difficulty getting the required trim force without overloading
the trim servo motor, or limiting the travel too much. A combination of the
two systems may be just the ticket to realize the benefits of both.
Again I really like the different approach, thanks for sharing.
Jason Kreidler - #40617
4 Partner Build - Finishing
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| Subject: | Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box |
Hi,
soon I'll come to the point where I will mount my Lightspeed Plasma III control
box. I saw some pictures where it was mounted inside of the firewall. Where did
you mount it?
Best Regards
Michael
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RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing)
#511
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| Subject: | Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box |
Michael,
I mounted mine on the sub panel behind the instrument panel. I had
read somewhere that the heat in the engine compartment might not be a good
thing on the brain box so I wanted it behind the firewall. I could
certainly be off on that thought. Seems to work just fine.
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box
Hi,
soon I'll come to the point where I will mount my Lightspeed Plasma III
control box. I saw some pictures where it was mounted inside of the
firewall. Where did you mount it?
Best Regards
Michael
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#511
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| Subject: | Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box |
I have dual Lightspeed II+ in my 8A. I would not consider mounting the CDI
module on the firewall side of the engine if for no reason other than heat.
These modules get hot by themselves. You might want to ask Klaus about heat
issues with the Plasma III. Here is what his web site says:
The PLASMA CDI module should be mounted in a clean and dry place on the cold
side of the firewall. If space limitations require mounting on the engine
side of the firewall, a protective metal cover should be used to protect the
module from water/engine cleaning materials and heat. In this situation,
the module should be oriented such that the connectors are to the sides of
the plane. Air must be allowed to flow between the bottom of the module and
the mounting surface. On 6-cylinder systems, cooling air should be supplied
to the box via the cooling port on the 15-pin connector side of the ignition
module. For 6-cyl. systems that do not have a cooling port, contact LSE for
this modification. Cooling is not required for 4-cyl. systems.
I would mount the modules in a cool spot and not on the back side of the
firewall even if it is insulated. Use standoffs to allow for air to
circulate behind the modules. Keep in mind you need to provide a blast tube
for cooling. I would assume you could rig up a cooling fan instead if a
blast tube was too hard.
BTW - I got a note back from eMag the other day. They are progressing on
their 6 cylinder ignition system but I did not get a target date for
availability. I am hoping these are on the market as an alternative to
Lightspeed when I'm ready for the engine.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (400 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box
Hi,
soon I'll come to the point where I will mount my Lightspeed Plasma III
control box. I saw some pictures where it was mounted inside of the
firewall. Where did you mount it?
Best Regards
Michael
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: Electric/Gas Tow Bars |
http://www.avweather.com/tug/index.html
Charlie, at the above link, says he has one that will work with the
-10. I haven't seen or used them, but I know Charlie and he is
trustworthy.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 9, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Rene wrote:
> Any recommendations on Electric or Gas powered tow bars. Now that I
> am actually taking the completed=85.almost=85.in and out of the hanger
I
> see a need for one. I can get the airplane out of the hanger no
> problem but getting it back in is a different story. I thought
> about putting a winch in the back of the hanger and just pulling it
> in, but the tow bar may be easier.
>
> Any recommendations for one that works well with the wheel pans on?
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Power grid placements on AA panels |
Thanks Bob, Rick, and Rene. Great suggestions that I will (did)
incorporate. Actually what I did today was fashion several alum. angle
strips to run on the bottom of the three forward ribs then attached
those to the ribs with large nutplates. Then riveted the power grids to
the angled alum. with the grids facing downward. The result is they sit
low enough in that forward subpanel space that they are easy to get to
for attaching wires and such. And, if they have to be removed to
replace fuses (or any other reason) they drop right down by removing the
four large nutplate bolts. I also beefed up the ribs just a bit with
several small pieces of angle stock. I also have enough room to mount
the MAP box, the door indicator relays, and probably the Lightspeed box
if I decide to keep it out of the engine compartment. And, by the way
Bob, with my set up (two horizontal GRT screens and the cantened center
radio stack I did not have to alter the anterior ribs at all). I did
provide some additional support to the radio stack by running some
angled stock from the stack up to the already reinforced center rib.
Jay
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From: Bob-tcw
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Power grid placements on AA panels
Jay, We are using the Acuracy Avoinics glass instrument panel
and center console in our 10 and we are working out the details now.
We have the version of the panel with the centered radio stack. We are
using AFS 3500s on each side and a center stack of a GMX-200 mfd and 2
garmin 430w. I think the real challenge is the cutting and
re-supporting of the three main instrument panel ribs. I'm just days
away from posting the pictures of how we did it. When we are ready
I'll add the pictures to the RV-10 section of our web site. We
machined an aluminum arch out of billet 6061 aluminum with an L shaped
profile to resupport the material that just has to be removed from the
three ribs to accomidated the AFS glass panels. I think most of the
power and ground buses will be attached to the forward sub panel.
Additionally, I'm putting a small fuse block bus in the rear of the
aircraft on my equipment rack I made behind the baggage area. I have
pictures of that already up on our site. more to follow.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies.
www.tcwtech.com
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From: Jay Rowe
To: RV10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Power grid placements on AA panels
Ahn, or anyone else with an Accuracy Avionics Panel for their 10:
Where are you placing the primary and secondary power grids? Looks to
me like the forward surface of the subpanel would be okay; a little
hard to reach but doable. Also could the manifold pressure sensing unit
go there as well? I also plan to put the door closure indicator relay
units there too. All suggestions welcomed. Jay Rowe
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3/7/2008 2:01 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Where did you mount the Lightspeed Plasma III box |
While certainly not a proof of reliability, I had 320 hours of
perfect operation with my Plasma III....with no cooling port on
it. I recently took advantage of the winter downtime and sent
it in for the cooling port and all additional updates that they
could do. I haven't added blast cooling air yet, but plan to as
soon as I care to lay under the panel again. ;)
What I did was mount mine on the firewall, cabin side, upper
area behind the pilots side of the firewall....way up
on that top curved area that is largely wasted space.
I mounted it and had stand-off rubber feet under it to ensure
that it had an air gap between it and the firewall.
Originally I mounted it with just screws and nuts, but
getting to it was a bit of a pain because I had to have
the wife turn the screws while I held the wrench. So, when
it was out for the mods, I put nutplates on the box so that
now I can just put it in place and screw it in. It's
definitely not in the most accessible area for removal,
but then again, it's something that you will rarely (hopefully)
have to remove. Had I bought mine after the cooling port
became standard, I would have not had reason to remove it.
So it's kind of nice to use some of that wasted space.
Plus, being high on the firewall leaves for nice short
and easy to route RG-400 lines for the coil wires.
Not the best way, perhaps, but it's served me very well.
Having had so many hours without cooling ports, the heat
issue thing isn't a major fear for me...but I do think
it's best to go with any manufacturer recommendations
for sure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Carl Froehlich wrote:
> I have dual Lightspeed II+ in my 8A. I would not consider mounting the
> CDI module on the firewall side of the engine if for no reason other
> than heat. These modules get hot by themselves. You might want to ask
> Klaus about heat issues with the Plasma III. Here is what his web site
> says:
>
>
>
>
>
> The PLASMA CDI module should be mounted in a clean and dry place on the
> cold side of the firewall. If space limitations require mounting on the
> engine side of the firewall, a protective metal cover should be used to
> protect the module from water/engine cleaning materials and heat. In
> this situation, the module should be oriented such that the connectors
> are to the sides of the plane. Air must be allowed to flow between the
> bottom of the module and the mounting surface. On 6-cylinder systems,
> cooling air should be supplied to the box via the cooling port on the
> 15-pin connector side of the ignition module. For 6-cyl. systems that
> do not have a cooling port, contact LSE for this modification. Cooling
> is not required for 4-cyl. systems.
>
>
>
>
>
> I would mount the modules in a cool spot and not on the back side of the
> firewall even if it is insulated. Use standoffs to allow for air to
> circulate behind the modules. Keep in mind you need to provide a blast
> tube for cooling. I would assume you could rig up a cooling fan instead
> if a blast tube was too hard.
>
>
>
> BTW - I got a note back from eMag the other day. They are progressing
> on their 6 cylinder ignition system but I did not get a target date for
> availability. I am hoping these are on the market as an alternative to
> Lightspeed when I'm ready for the engine.
>
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (400 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (wings)
>
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| Subject: | tail light strobe combo |
Can someone explain what is required to hook up the wiring on this Whelen T
ail light/strobe combo. Out of the base of the unit is the normal strobe wi
res, red, black and white going to a 3 prong molex. There are also two othe
r wires which are going to a two prong molex connector. These other two wir
e are both blue.
Can someone give me a heads up?
Thanks,
John G. 409
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| Subject: | Re: tail light strobe combo |
Well, the red/black/white hook up like all the other strobe
pack strobes do...and the 2 other blue wires are the tail
light and hence there is no + or - . Not much to it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
John Gonzalez wrote:
> Can someone explain what is required to hook up the wiring on this
> Whelen Tail light/strobe combo. Out of the base of the unit is the
> normal strobe wires, red, black and white going to a 3 prong molex.
> There are also two other wires which are going to a two prong molex
> connector. These other two wire are both blue.
>
> Can someone give me a heads up?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John G. 409
>
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| Subject: | Re: TT mounting specifications |
Thanks all. This is getting real close to having the real thing. I believe I
can safely position the location of the cutout on the panel now. I have one of
the face plates (thanks to Stein and crew).
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Electric/Gas Tow Bars |
My neighbor had the Aircraft tug in the below link to move his Cessna
twin. To say that he was unhappy with its performance would be an
understatement. He purchased a power tow
<http://www.powertow.com/40ez1.html> which performs much better. I am
not sure if it will work with our nose wheel.
Now our RV-10 is does not have the weight of a twin Cessna so the
aircraft tug may work quite well.
Larry
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> http://www.avweather.com/tug/index.html
>
> Charlie, at the above link, says he has one that will work with the
> -10. I haven't seen or used them, but I know Charlie and he is
> trustworthy.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Mar 9, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Rene wrote:
>
>> Any recommendations on Electric or Gas powered tow bars. Now that I
>> am actually taking the completed.almost.in and out of the hanger I
>> see a need for one. I can get the airplane out of the hanger no
>> problem but getting it back in is a different story. I thought about
>> putting a winch in the back of the hanger and just pulling it in, but
>> the tow bar may be easier.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any recommendations for one that works well with the wheel pans on?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rene'
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Electric/Gas Tow Bars |
If you want to get really fancy, I remember seeing a video of a remote cont
rolled tug at the Rosen Visor booth last year at Sun N Fun.
Vern Smith (#324)
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> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:50:52 -0400> From: LarryRosen@comcast.net> To: r
v10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electric/Gas Tow Bars> >
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| Subject: | Re: Electric/Gas Tow Bars |
Several years ago, I bought a Power Tow to move my Bonanza back into the
hangar with a slight uphill grade . It worked well on the Bonanza and 2
Barons, I've worn out and replaced 2 tires during that time frame, but
don't consider that a liability, The 'forks' on the front will require
some modification (replacing the existing 'cups' ) in order to fit
within the wheel pant openings and over the pins, but for anybody who's
built a -10 and knows someone who can weld, it should be a no-brainer.
I've got mine stored until the bird goes to the hangar.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
SS They run very well, on 100LL drained from the sumps, never had more
than 2 pulls on the starter
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> My neighbor had the Aircraft tug in the below link to move his Cessna
> twin. To say that he was unhappy with its performance would be an
> understatement. He purchased a power tow
> <http://www.powertow.com/40ez1.html> which performs much better. I am
> not sure if it will work with our nose wheel.
>
> Now our RV-10 is does not have the weight of a twin Cessna so the
> aircraft tug may work quite well.
>
> Larry
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>> http://www.avweather.com/tug/index.html
>>
>> Charlie, at the above link, says he has one that will work with the
>> -10. I haven't seen or used them, but I know Charlie and he is
>> trustworthy.
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Rene wrote:
>>
>>> Any recommendations on Electric or Gas powered tow bars. Now that I
>>> am actually taking the completed.almost.in and out of the hanger I
>>> see a need for one. I can get the airplane out of the hanger no
>>> problem but getting it back in is a different story. I thought
>>> about putting a winch in the back of the hanger and just pulling it
>>> in, but the tow bar may be easier.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower Cowl Mounts |
I have 150 hrs on my RV10 and I am on my second left bottom hinge which as all
ready lost one tab. I am not sure why it happens but I agree that the best idea
is to go with screws and nut plates from the start. I will be changing my
soon.
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MARK SUTHERLAND
RV-10 40292
Flying since June 07
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | RV10 missing in Texas |
I just saw this posted on VAF
"Folks, I am posting this after talking with Doug, with the sole purpose
of letting people know what is going on. I propose that we keep the
speculation to ZERO, but if you have any factual information, pass it on
here.
We don't know very much, except that Mark Ritter, of Lockhart, TX is the
subject of a search tonight, He left Brenham a few minutes after 1230
this afternoon, headed home, and never showed up. Apparently there was a
"ping" from his cell phone about 20 miles northwest of Brenham a few
minutes after his departure, according to information I got from his
friends out near his home field. He took off about two minutes ahead of
me, but we were going opposite directions.
We can only hope and pray that he turns up - I am certain that a full-up
search will be going when daylight hits tomorrow.
Paul Dye "
Say some prayer for Mark
Deems
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| Subject: | RV-10 missing in Texas |
>From the Vansairforce site. Posted by Paul Dye.
Folks, I am posting this after talking with Doug, with the sole purpose of letting
people know what is going on. I propose that we keep the speculation to ZERO,
but if you have any factual information, pass it on here.
We don't know very much, except that Mark Ritter, of Lockhart, TX is the subject
of a search tonight, He left Brenham a few minutes after 1230 this afternoon,
headed home, and never showed up. Apparently there was a "ping" from his cell
phone about 20 miles northwest of Brenham a few minutes after his departure,
according to information I got from his friends out near his home field. He took
off about two minutes ahead of me, but we were going opposite directions.
We can only hope and pray that he turns up - I am certain that a full-up search
will be going when daylight hits tomorrow.
Paul
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