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1. 06:27 AM - Re: Florida Builders (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
2. 08:05 AM - 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing (dmaib@mac.com)
3. 08:30 AM - Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing (Rick Sked)
4. 10:44 AM - Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing (Dave Saylor)
5. 10:59 AM - Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
6. 11:13 AM - Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (bruce breckenridge)
7. 12:24 PM - Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing (dmaib@mac.com)
8. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (linn Walters)
9. 02:23 PM - Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing (Dave Saylor)
10. 03:29 PM - Re: Stainless placard (John Kirkland)
11. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (gary)
12. 05:04 PM - Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid (Jeff Carpenter)
13. 05:35 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid (John Gonzalez)
14. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Stainless placard (David McNeill)
15. 06:13 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid (Bob-tcw)
16. 06:17 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid (Bob-tcw)
17. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing (Kelly McMullen)
18. 06:35 PM - Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (reubanks)
19. 06:46 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid (John W. Cox)
20. 06:46 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid (Tim Olson)
21. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (Dave Leikam)
22. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (Pascal)
23. 07:33 PM - traveling tool (Jay Rowe)
24. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (Fred Williams, M.D.)
25. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (linn Walters)
26. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 missing in Texas (bob.kaufmann)
27. 09:48 PM - Mark Ritter (Jerry Stark)
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| Subject: | Florida Builders |
How long are you going to be in Florida? I'm also originally from Ontario
(Walkerton) but live in Kansas now. I will be leaving for Florida (Lakeland
KLAL) on Sunday. If your still there, please give me a call.
I should be arriving around dinner time on Sunday March 16th and leaving
Sunday morning March 23rd. If any others in the area would like to get together,
please let me know.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
(913) 226-0106
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gee
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Florida Builders
I have just flown my 172 from Ont Canada to KZPH for vacation. I am 90 percent
sure I am going to build an RV10 as soon as I get some home reno projects out
of the way. Just wondering if there are any central Florida builders up for
a visit and a "few" questions? Thanks
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| Subject: | 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing |
Does anybody know if the 1.5 inch spacer for the Casper Labs 90 degree oil filter
housing would be the right one for the IO-540 installation on the RV-10? Vans
has three different sizes and they say that the 1.5 inch will fit most RV installations,
but when I called and asked specifically about this installation,
they did not have an answer. I would love to hear from anyone who has installed
this adapter.
I notice that this product as advertised in Spruce does not mention any spacers.
Anybody know how to get in touch with Casper Labs? Google does not get me there.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing |
Thats the spacer I used...1.5" from B & C products heres the link, scroll to the
bottom of the page.
http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?20X358218
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: dmaib@mac.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:02:52 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing
Does anybody know if the 1.5 inch spacer for the Casper Labs 90 degree oil filter
housing would be the right one for the IO-540 installation on the RV-10? Vans
has three different sizes and they say that the 1.5 inch will fit most RV installations,
but when I called and asked specifically about this installation,
they did not have an answer. I would love to hear from anyone who has installed
this adapter.
I notice that this product as advertised in Spruce does not mention any spacers.
Anybody know how to get in touch with Casper Labs? Google does not get me there.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169008#169008
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| Subject: | 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing |
I'm not sure if Casper Labs is different but here is a B&C adapter with a
1.5" spacer on my -10.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing
Does anybody know if the 1.5 inch spacer for the Casper Labs 90 degree oil
filter housing would be the right one for the IO-540 installation on the
RV-10? Vans has three different sizes and they say that the 1.5 inch will
fit most RV installations, but when I called and asked specifically about
this installation, they did not have an answer. I would love to hear from
anyone who has installed this adapter.
I notice that this product as advertised in Spruce does not mention any
spacers.
Anybody know how to get in touch with Casper Labs? Google does not get me
there.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169008#169008
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| Subject: | 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing |
Dave,
What sort of tubing did you use on the crankcase vent line?
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing
I'm not sure if Casper Labs is different but here is a B&C adapter with
a
1.5" spacer on my -10.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing
Does anybody know if the 1.5 inch spacer for the Casper Labs 90 degree
oil
filter housing would be the right one for the IO-540 installation on the
RV-10? Vans has three different sizes and they say that the 1.5 inch
will
fit most RV installations, but when I called and asked specifically
about
this installation, they did not have an answer. I would love to hear
from
anyone who has installed this adapter.
I notice that this product as advertised in Spruce does not mention any
spacers.
Anybody know how to get in touch with Casper Labs? Google does not get
me
there.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169008#169008
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| Subject: | RE: RV-10 missing in Texas |
http://www.keyetv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4faca74a-e114-4cec-86cd-dafba7fb2fe9
Mark & his aircraft have been found. Our prayers and condolences are with
his family.
Bruce & Becky Breckenridge
40018
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| Subject: | Re: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing |
I have not done the crankcase vent line yet. The engine is hanging on the hoist
in my hangar. Probably won't mount it for another couple of weeks.
Thanks for the responses on the spacer. Sounds like the 1.5 is the right one.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-10 missing in Texas |
bruce breckenridge wrote:
> http://www.keyetv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4faca74a-e114-4cec-86cd-dafba7fb2fe9
>
> Mark & his aircraft have been found. Our prayers and condolences are
> with his family.
Mine too. I think we can all take a little time here and reflect on
this tragedy. He wasn't feeling well ...... yet flew home. Just like
the sage advice 'friends don't let friends drive drunk', maybe his
friends could have prevented the tragedy by offering him a ride home, or
a place to stay. But then maybe they wouldn't have made any
difference. We'll never know. We've lost a fellow aviator and a
beautiful airplane ...... and that's a crying shame.
Linn ...... :'(
>
> Bruce & Becky Breckenridge
> 40018
>
>
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| Subject: | 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing |
I've used SCAT tube there on a couple installations. It seems to work
nicely and it's much easier to manage.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing
--> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Dave,
What sort of tubing did you use on the crankcase vent line?
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing
I'm not sure if Casper Labs is different but here is a B&C adapter with a
1.5" spacer on my -10.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 90 Degree Oil Filter Housing
Does anybody know if the 1.5 inch spacer for the Casper Labs 90 degree
oil
filter housing would be the right one for the IO-540 installation on the
RV-10? Vans has three different sizes and they say that the 1.5 inch
will
fit most RV installations, but when I called and asked specifically
about
this installation, they did not have an answer. I would love to hear
from
anyone who has installed this adapter.
I notice that this product as advertised in Spruce does not mention any
spacers.
Anybody know how to get in touch with Casper Labs? Google does not get
me
there.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169008#169008
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless placard |
I'm partial to the one EAA sells, better looking than plain-Jane.
--------
RV-10 #40333
N540XP (reserved)
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| Subject: | RE: RV-10 missing in Texas |
Don't flame me on this but when I go I would prefer to go doing what I love,
Flying
Gary
40274
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: RV-10 missing in Texas
bruce breckenridge wrote:
http://www.keyetv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4faca74a-e114-4cec-86
cd-dafba7fb2fe9
Mark & his aircraft have been found. Our prayers and condolences are with
his family.
Mine too. I think we can all take a little time here and reflect on this
tragedy. He wasn't feeling well ...... yet flew home. Just like the sage
advice 'friends don't let friends drive drunk', maybe his friends could have
prevented the tragedy by offering him a ride home, or a place to stay. But
then maybe they wouldn't have made any difference. We'll never know. We've
lost a fellow aviator and a beautiful airplane ...... and that's a crying
shame.
Linn ...... :'(
Bruce & Becky Breckenridge
40018
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid |
I asked this question over 24 hours ago and so far there have been no
responses. With all that's going on with the list right now I'm
going to repost the question, with the attached picture in the hopes
I might get some feedback. Where's John Cox when you need him?
When I made my tanks... last May and June... I taped off the areas of
the skin that would be mated to the stiffeners and ribs with blue
painters tape. I roughened up the surface with scotch brite, cleaned
with aluma-prep and assembled with pro-seal. I left the baffle off
of the tanks as I was debating the installation of capacitance
senders instead of the floats. Over time (can't quite say how much)
I pulled up the painters tape.
So, I'm now ready to close up the tanks (with the floats) and find
that the right tank has a light corrosion in it... primarily under
the areas and at the edges of where the tape had been. I believe
this is both from the adhesive on the tape as well as my failure to
completely rinse the aluma-prep off in some areas. I can remove this
with a whole lot of elbow grease and a scotch brite pad. It comes up
a bit easier with aluma-prep and a scotch brite pad, but will then
run in to the nooks and crannies of the tank and create a new problem
somewhere else if I don't rinse quickly enough.
Will the presence of fuel in the tank act as corrosion protection and
keep this from progressing? Is this process something that stops
when the corrosive agent (the aluma prep, or the tape) is removed or
"used up," or is this a ball that once rolling won't stop?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Scoth brite Hell
Awaiting your reply
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid |
I looked at your post yesterday and really thought about it. First, I am no
t sure why this happened, chemically. I realize that Alodine not rinsed can
cause corrosion, but I thought that acid removed corrosion. Are you sure t
he acid didn't do something to the painters tape, which then made it chemic
ally bind to the aluminum or alter the aluminum?
When aluminum corrodes, does it not make aluminum oxide which is a white po
wder which easily comes off. Certainly re application of alumi prep should
remove it. As long as you rinse the alumprep and don't let it dry, why wou
ld there be any problems. They put this stuff on the outside of a planes, n
ooks and crannies and all before painting.
My question, are you certain this is corrosion????
John G. (not a metalergist)> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> From: jeff@westco
ttpress.com> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid> Date
: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:01:05 -0700> > I asked this question over 24 hours ag
o and so far there have been no > responses. With all that's going on with
the list right now I'm > going to repost the question, with the attached pi
cture in the hopes > I might get some feedback. Where's John Cox when you n
eed him?> > When I made my tanks... last May and June... I taped off the ar
eas of > the skin that would be mated to the stiffeners and ribs with blue
> painters tape. I roughened up the surface with scotch brite, cleaned > wi
th aluma-prep and assembled with pro-seal. I left the baffle off > of the t
anks as I was debating the installation of capacitance > senders instead of
the floats. Over time (can't quite say how much) > I pulled up the painter
s tape.> > So, I'm now ready to close up the tanks (with the floats) and fi
nd > that the right tank has a light corrosion in it... primarily under > t
he areas and at the edges of where the tape had been. I believe > this is b
oth from the adhesive on the tape as well as my failure to > completely rin
se the aluma-prep off in some areas. I can remove this > with a whole lot o
f elbow grease and a scotch brite pad. It comes up > a bit easier with alum
a-prep and a scotch brite pad, but will then > run in to the nooks and cran
nies of the tank and create a new problem > somewhere else if I don't rinse
quickly enough.> > Will the presence of fuel in the tank act as corrosion
protection and > keep this from progressing? Is this process something that
stops > when the corrosive agent (the aluma prep, or the tape) is removed
or > "used up," or is this a ball that once rolling won't stop?> > > Jeff C
arpenter> 40304> Scoth brite Hell> Awaiting your reply> > > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless placard |
Thanks. I found that the Centennial placard I received for the Glastar was
unused so will use that one.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Kirkland
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stainless placard
--> <jskirkland@webpipe.net>
I'm partial to the one EAA sells, better looking than plain-Jane.
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N540XP (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Carpenter" <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid
>I asked this question over 24 hours ago and so far there have been no
> responses. With all that's going on with the list right now I'm
> going to repost the question, with the attached picture in the hopes
> I might get some feedback. Where's John Cox when you need him?
>
> When I made my tanks... last May and June... I taped off the areas of
> the skin that would be mated to the stiffeners and ribs with blue
> painters tape. I roughened up the surface with scotch brite, cleaned
> with aluma-prep and assembled with pro-seal. I left the baffle off
> of the tanks as I was debating the installation of capacitance
> senders instead of the floats. Over time (can't quite say how much)
> I pulled up the painters tape.
>
> So, I'm now ready to close up the tanks (with the floats) and find
> that the right tank has a light corrosion in it... primarily under
> the areas and at the edges of where the tape had been. I believe
> this is both from the adhesive on the tape as well as my failure to
> completely rinse the aluma-prep off in some areas. I can remove this
> with a whole lot of elbow grease and a scotch brite pad. It comes up
> a bit easier with aluma-prep and a scotch brite pad, but will then
> run in to the nooks and crannies of the tank and create a new problem
> somewhere else if I don't rinse quickly enough.
>
> Will the presence of fuel in the tank act as corrosion protection and
> keep this from progressing? Is this process something that stops
> when the corrosive agent (the aluma prep, or the tape) is removed or
> "used up," or is this a ball that once rolling won't stop?
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Scoth brite Hell
> Awaiting your reply
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid |
Jeff, I've had my wings in storage in my unheated hangar for a year now
with some blue painters tape holding some of the blue protective film back
in place. I'll try to get out to the hangar tomorrow and peel some tape
back and report on any corrision due to blue tape alone. The outer skins
were not treated with any chemicals (knowingly)
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Carpenter" <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid
>I asked this question over 24 hours ago and so far there have been no
> responses. With all that's going on with the list right now I'm
> going to repost the question, with the attached picture in the hopes
> I might get some feedback. Where's John Cox when you need him?
>
> When I made my tanks... last May and June... I taped off the areas of
> the skin that would be mated to the stiffeners and ribs with blue
> painters tape. I roughened up the surface with scotch brite, cleaned
> with aluma-prep and assembled with pro-seal. I left the baffle off
> of the tanks as I was debating the installation of capacitance
> senders instead of the floats. Over time (can't quite say how much)
> I pulled up the painters tape.
>
> So, I'm now ready to close up the tanks (with the floats) and find
> that the right tank has a light corrosion in it... primarily under
> the areas and at the edges of where the tape had been. I believe
> this is both from the adhesive on the tape as well as my failure to
> completely rinse the aluma-prep off in some areas. I can remove this
> with a whole lot of elbow grease and a scotch brite pad. It comes up
> a bit easier with aluma-prep and a scotch brite pad, but will then
> run in to the nooks and crannies of the tank and create a new problem
> somewhere else if I don't rinse quickly enough.
>
> Will the presence of fuel in the tank act as corrosion protection and
> keep this from progressing? Is this process something that stops
> when the corrosive agent (the aluma prep, or the tape) is removed or
> "used up," or is this a ball that once rolling won't stop?
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Scoth brite Hell
> Awaiting your reply
>
>
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Anyone considered the 45 degree adapter ECI sells?
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM, dmaib@mac.com <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
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> I have not done the crankcase vent line yet. The engine is hanging on the
> hoist in my hangar. Probably won't mount it for another couple of weeks.
> Thanks for the responses on the spacer. Sounds like the 1.5 is the right
> one.
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> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 missing in Texas |
I read the post below this evening and I cant help but comment on this. You have
no idea what Marks friends did or didnt do on the day he left Brenham, or for
that matter what exactly was wrong with Mark. It is very irresponsible to
make a comment like the one below. Comments like that are hurtful at minimum.
The best any of us can do at this point is pray for Marks family and friends.
[/quote] Mine too. I think we can all take a little time here and reflect on
this tragedy. He wasn't feeling well ...... yet flew home. Just like the sage
advice 'friends don't let friends drive drunk', maybe his friends could have
prevented the tragedy by offering him a ride home, or a place to stay. But then
maybe they wouldn't have made any difference. We'll never know. We've lost
a fellow aviator and a beautiful airplane ...... and that's a crying shame.
Linn ...... :'(
>
> Bruce & Becky Breckenridge
> 40018
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid |
I'm undergoing knee surgery tomorrow and still a bit heavy hearted over
the loss of a fellow member and what I ranked as one of the five
prettiest RV-10s ever completed. Damn it!
Aluma-prep uses acid to etch and make porous the Alclad finish. (and did
you know there is a top side and bottom side finish with visible grain
direction.) It is important in pursuit of a quality finish job that the
substrate be clean before application of aluma-prep. It is important to
neutralize the acid with de-ionized or distilled water. Think of the
acid as only a catalyst. Once the reaction begins, you need to
remediate and finish the process. The Alodine treatment is chromic acid
which hardens the porous finish. The final step is to wash again with
Non mineralized water. Often, builders use tap water and introduce
contaminants into the chemistry. (Anyone watching all the
pharmaceuticals being found in common tap water?) The porous
characteristic aides in later primer or sealer application with long
term adhesion. Remember that each side of the Alclad only has 5% pure
aluminum to turn whitish with oxidation. (You do the math on 0.016 or
0.032 sheet stock). To sand, scotchbrite or acid etch it too much is to
go right through to the copper hybrid under the pure aluminum. (It
alodines differently). Most Structural Repair Manuals spell out
replacement of base material when corrosion reaches 10% of original
thickness. That is why as the builder, we need to create our own SRM and
know the thickness of all materials we chose to use in assemblage. Just
because it came from VANS does not justify guessing later. When
corrosion is found, it must be 100% removed or just like a cavity, it
just keeps feeding itself. If we have to remediate beyond 10%, its off
for a new part(at the airlines). I don't think that is what you want to
hear. We often use MEK with proper skin protection to remove
contaminates and organics before re-alodining aluminum. Yes we do,
re-alodine. Every exposed piece gets the treatment.
One of the premises yet to be answered is how does "my beloved proseal"
hold up to adulterated corn squeezing inside the fuel tank. I would
love for the discussion to get elevated as to which components need to
be replaced to embrace subsidizing American Farmers instead of
importation of $110+ per barrel crude and amplify our balance of trade
deficit to Third World Tycoons. How about our President opening the US
strategic oil reserves to wipe out all of the US hedge fund investors
who are making this situation worse by pumping up artificial demand.
Fuel in the tank acts to reduce airborne oxidants but does not eliminate
them. That is the old wives tale of keep tanks topped off. The ball
will stop rolling when it is removed from the playing field. It doesn't
stop on its own. Sorry.
Study Intergranular and Exfoliation Corrosion.
"http://aluminium.matter.org.uk/content/html/eng/default.asp?catid=180&p
ageid=2144416690" Use at least a 5X loop or 10X loop to view the degree
of corrosion remaining.
John Cox
40600
Pegleg Hell in Portland
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid
I asked this question over 24 hours ago and so far there have been no
responses. With all that's going on with the list right now I'm
going to repost the question, with the attached picture in the hopes
I might get some feedback. Where's John Cox when you need him?
Will the presence of fuel in the tank act as corrosion protection and
keep this from progressing? Is this process something that stops
when the corrosive agent (the aluma prep, or the tape) is removed or
"used up," or is this a ball that once rolling won't stop?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Scoth brite Hell
Awaiting your reply
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Corrosion, with visual aid |
Jeff,
I am betting that the reason you don't get lots of replies is
that people are uncertain of their answer because they can't see
the thing for themselves very well. My thought is that the
corrosion was because of moisture under the tape. That tape
is porous....people should not use tape on aluminum for long
periods of time for that very reason. It's also why people
go with sealing primers if they're going to do primers, and
so on.
If it's not a structural issue at all, then I'd think you would
do OK to go either way...scotchbrite alone or with aluma-prep,
but you'll want to do some super rinsing after you're done, and
personally, I'd then treat it with alodine on top of that.
That would add one more rinse cycle, and do a chemical conversion
of that top layer too. And of course, a great rinse again.
Anyway, I doubt the tanks are toast....but you'd do well to
get them cleaned and treated up, and then be good to them
from then on...keep them nice and dry...maybe buy some
dessicant cartridges that you can attach. And then finally
get them full of fuel later.
Without seeing it first hand though, it's tough to say the
answer with any certainty.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> I asked this question over 24 hours ago and so far there have been no
> responses. With all that's going on with the list right now I'm going
> to repost the question, with the attached picture in the hopes I might
> get some feedback. Where's John Cox when you need him?
>
> When I made my tanks... last May and June... I taped off the areas of
> the skin that would be mated to the stiffeners and ribs with blue
> painters tape. I roughened up the surface with scotch brite, cleaned
> with aluma-prep and assembled with pro-seal. I left the baffle off of
> the tanks as I was debating the installation of capacitance senders
> instead of the floats. Over time (can't quite say how much) I pulled up
> the painters tape.
>
> So, I'm now ready to close up the tanks (with the floats) and find that
> the right tank has a light corrosion in it... primarily under the areas
> and at the edges of where the tape had been. I believe this is both
> from the adhesive on the tape as well as my failure to completely rinse
> the aluma-prep off in some areas. I can remove this with a whole lot of
> elbow grease and a scotch brite pad. It comes up a bit easier with
> aluma-prep and a scotch brite pad, but will then run in to the nooks and
> crannies of the tank and create a new problem somewhere else if I don't
> rinse quickly enough.
>
> Will the presence of fuel in the tank act as corrosion protection and
> keep this from progressing? Is this process something that stops when
> the corrosive agent (the aluma prep, or the tape) is removed or "used
> up," or is this a ball that once rolling won't stop?
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Scoth brite Hell
> Awaiting your reply
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-10 missing in Texas |
I send my condolences and my prayers.
Dave Leikam
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----- Original Message -----
From: linn Walters
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: RV-10 missing in Texas
bruce breckenridge wrote:
http://www.keyetv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4faca74a-e114-4c
ec-86cd-dafba7fb2fe9
Mark & his aircraft have been found. Our prayers and condolences
are with his family.
Mine too. I think we can all take a little time here and reflect on
this tragedy. He wasn't feeling well ...... yet flew home. Just like
the sage advice 'friends don't let friends drive drunk', maybe his
friends could have prevented the tragedy by offering him a ride home, or
a place to stay. But then maybe they wouldn't have made any difference.
We'll never know. We've lost a fellow aviator and a beautiful airplane
...... and that's a crying shame.
Linn ...... :'(
Bruce & Becky Breckenridge
40018
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 missing in Texas |
I think many of us are simply too upset to see yet another RV-10 builder
lost in less than 6 months to bother with responding to Linn's comment and
wasting time on this thread.
I never met Mark, but I certainly have his plane as one of my desktop
screensavers and remember his sharing the excitement when the plane came out
of the paint shop.. I am saddened of his loss and could care less why he
flew, I do care that we lost a fellow comrade and that seems to be all that
is important to me.
Hope we see some more postings from you reubanks.
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "reubanks" <reubanks1@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 missing in Texas
>
> I read the post below this evening and I cant help but comment on this.
> You have no idea what Marks friends did or didnt do on the day he left
> Brenham, or for that matter what exactly was wrong with Mark. It is very
> irresponsible to make a comment like the one below. Comments like that
> are hurtful at minimum. The best any of us can do at this point is pray
> for Marks family and friends.
>
> [/quote] Mine too. I think we can all take a little time here and reflect
> on this tragedy. He wasn't feeling well ...... yet flew home. Just like
> the sage advice 'friends don't let friends drive drunk', maybe his friends
> could have prevented the tragedy by offering him a ride home, or a place
> to stay. But then maybe they wouldn't have made any difference. We'll
> never know. We've lost a fellow aviator and a beautiful airplane ......
> and that's a crying shame.
> Linn ...... :'(
>
>
>>
>> Bruce & Becky Breckenridge
>> 40018
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>> [b]
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169134#169134
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Deems and Barry M: The countersink cutter arrived safe and sound.
Will do my work tomorrow AM and then get it in the mail to Barry in FL.
Barry should know who is next on the list. Thanks to all. Jay
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 missing in Texas |
Fellow RV er's
I want to send my condolences to the whole RV family who lost a good
person yesterday. I had the pleasure of meeting Mark this last
Christmas vacation. My daughter and I were flying the 152 between Paris
and Corpus Christi. Brenham is about half way for us. We stopped in
for lunch and Mark was there with his 10. He was kind enough to take
the time and show my teenage daughter what a "real" RV 10 looks like
(not the pieces in my shop). He answered a bunch of my questions and
cleaned some drool off of his paint. He even took the time to answer a
later email question from me. I only knew him for 30 minutes, but he
seemed like a real gentleman. He will be missed.
Fred Williams
40515
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 missing in Texas |
reubanks wrote:
>
>I read the post below this evening and I cant help but comment on this. You have
no idea what Marks friends did or didnt do on the day he left Brenham,
>
Yes, that is true.
> or for that matter what exactly was wrong with Mark.
>
Again, true.
> It is very irresponsible to make a comment like the one below.
>
I don't think so, and admitted that his friends may not have made any
difference.
> Comments like that are hurtful at minimum.
>
I apologize. It wasn't menat to be hurtful, and I do see your point.
> The best any of us can do at this point is pray for Marks family and friends.
>
No, the best we can do is look out for our fellow friends and aviators.
I don't know Mark ..... wish I did, but the bottom line (as posted here)
is that he wasn't feeling well and flew off anyway. You're absolutely
correct .... I don't know if what was bothering him had any bearing on
the accident ..... but the point I was trying to make is that no matter
what caused his accident, the decision to fly home was, in my mind, a
poor one, and that we are our brothers' keepers. My post was meant only
to remind folks of that fact, and not be, in any way, as chastizing.
Again, I apologize for any hurt my comment caused.
Linn
>
> [/quote] Mine too. I think we can all take a little time here and reflect on
this tragedy. He wasn't feeling well ...... yet flew home. Just like the sage
advice 'friends don't let friends drive drunk', maybe his friends could have
prevented the tragedy by offering him a ride home, or a place to stay. But
then maybe they wouldn't have made any difference. We'll never know. We've lost
a fellow aviator and a beautiful airplane ...... and that's a crying shame.
> Linn ...... :'(
>
>
>
>
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>> Bruce & Becky Breckenridge
>> 40018
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| Subject: | RE: RV-10 missing in Texas |
I offer my prayers and condolences for the family. I have lost way to many
friends this year already, and although some of them were a little crusty I
have a deep love for them. I please request that we all do the best that we
can to help each other in love and fellowship and keep pounding rivets or
twisting wires.
Bob K
Like Deems, its done just not all together yet.
N104BK, someday.
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I met Mark a number years ago. He was an example of what EAA was about. He shared
his building experiences, his goals, and his successes and his redoes. His
work was meticulous. His enthusiasm was always present.
Yes I am a lurker and social security keeps me from jumping on the "I got to
build one". I have been lurking since day one of the forum.
I did not know Mark that well. I flew to Lockhart a number of times. He was a little
shy early in his build about posting ( My opinion ) but his work was very
detailed. He opened up once he got flying (my opinion ). I stopped to see him
in Lockhart a few times and after he was flying, he was usually flying to
Brenham to eat lunch, he loved the blue bell icecream.
I also remember his offer to Jesse Saint to take him to Texas BBQ if he came to
Texas. He was a generous man and I am sorry not to be able to interact with
again.
God bless the survivors! his Family and friends. It was a torturous weekend.
This forum is generally very informative. There are times when it becomes a " I
got to talk to somebody" thing, but I so enjoy it.
God Bless all of us; our time is temporary, make the most of it. Some one said
" we aren't here for a long time, we are here for a good time."
God Bless Mark and his family. May the rest of us enjoy his life as much as he
did.
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