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1. 04:22 AM - Re: Door fit (Richard Reynolds)
2. 04:58 AM - Re: Door fit (John Testement)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD (Rhonda Bewley)
4. 06:29 AM - flight planning (Rob Kermanj)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: Door fit (Dave Lammers)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Andair/FI Fitting (John Gonzalez)
7. 08:27 AM - Re: Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
8. 08:35 AM - Re: Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD (Rhonda Bewley)
9. 09:12 AM - Re: Andair/FI Fitting (jim berry)
10. 09:41 AM - Re: Door fit (jim berry)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: Door fit (Rick Sked)
12. 10:38 AM - Re: flight planning (William Curtis)
13. 11:43 AM - Re: flight planning (David McNeill)
14. 11:55 AM - Re: Door fit (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
15. 12:07 PM - Re: Door fit (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
16. 02:15 PM - Re: Door fit (John Dunne)
17. 03:24 PM - Re: Door fit (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
18. 03:27 PM - Re: Door fit (Chuck Weyant)
19. 05:50 PM - window cleaning (David McNeill)
20. 08:33 PM - Re: Door fit (Chris)
21. 09:58 PM - Re: Door fit (Jesse Saint)
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John,
We put a 1/8 square rabbit in the canopy door frame. it made the door
very easy to fit. Make it deep enough for the thickest part of the
door. Be careful when trimming the canopy frame in way of the
aluminum fuselage frame.
Please note!
After trimming the door to the factory scribe lines, take equal
amounts off the forward and aft edges. The temptation is after
getting one edge to fit, removing the remainder from the other edge.
DON'T, because it makes the inside "jam" unequal. (Ask me how I know)
Also, the top of the canopy door frame really does not need the
rabbit, The top edge of the door WILL require a bevel to open properly!
Richard Reynolds
On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:54 AM, John Testement wrote:
> Rob,
>
> I spent countless hours getting the doors to fit well - and them
> countless more after the seals were installed. I even had the doors
> painted first, final installed seals and then filled/sanded the
> canopy before painting. As my partner is working on a second plane
> we are thinking of using a square rabbit in the canopy for the door
> edge to fit into instead of the 45 degree angle. This would avoid
> the thin door edge. Anyone else done this?
>
> John Testement
> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
> 40321
> Richmond, VA
> Painting
>
>
> // All,
>
> I've been looking at the way my doors fit to the canopy and am
> wondering, "Since I did as good a job as I could, including
> clamping everything flush while the epoxy set, then why do I have a
> slight bulge on one door in relation to the canopy," and, "should
> everything look perfect as a result of trimming, or should I
> naturally be expecting to add some filler between the canopy and
> doors to make everything smooth and ready for paint?"
>
> Reading through other websites, they're written up to seem like
> masters of the fiberglass trimming, and once trimmed and glued
> they're ready for the paint booth after a coat of primer on.
>
> Thoughts and pointers?
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
>
>
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Richard,
I really like this idea - how did you make the rabbit? Router? How did you
guide it around the frame?
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
John,
We put a 1/8 square rabbit in the canopy door frame. it made the door very
easy to fit. Make it deep enough for the thickest part of the door. Be
careful when trimming the canopy frame in way of the aluminum fuselage
frame.
Please note!
After trimming the door to the factory scribe lines, take equal amounts off
the forward and aft edges. The temptation is after getting one edge to fit,
removing the remainder from the other edge. DON'T, because it makes the
inside "jam" unequal. (Ask me how I know)
Also, the top of the canopy door frame really does not need the rabbit, The
top edge of the door WILL require a bevel to open properly!
Richard Reynolds
On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:54 AM, John Testement wrote:
Rob,
I spent countless hours getting the doors to fit well - and them countless
more after the seals were installed. I even had the doors painted first,
final installed seals and then filled/sanded the canopy before painting. As
my partner is working on a second plane we are thinking of using a square
rabbit in the canopy for the door edge to fit into instead of the 45 degree
angle. This would avoid the thin door edge. Anyone else done this?
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
// All,
I've been looking at the way my doors fit to the canopy and am wondering,
"Since I did as good a job as I could, including clamping everything flush
while the epoxy set, then why do I have a slight bulge on one door in
relation to the canopy," and, "should everything look perfect as a result of
trimming, or should I naturally be expecting to add some filler between the
canopy and doors to make everything smooth and ready for paint?"
Reading through other websites, they're written up to seem like masters of
the fiberglass trimming, and once trimmed and glued they're ready for the
paint booth after a coat of primer on.
Thoughts and pointers?
Checked by AVG.
3/12/2008 1:27 PM
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| Subject: | Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD |
You should also be aware that the Precision SB and Emergency AD apply
not only to new certified RSA5 and RSA10 servos and the experimental
Precision Silverhawk systems but also apply to any systems overhauled or
repaired by in the field since August 1, 2006. So, even if you
purchased an overhauled engine from a shop like mine, Lycon or countless
others and it has a Bendix/Precision system on it, you need to comply
with this AD for your own safety.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:07 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
This is the FAA AD Ron is referring to in case some of you don't have
the info through the mail yet..
I could say something with regards experimental and some earlier
comments but I'll resist :-)
John 40315.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
Checked my injector servo at lunch time (straight out of the box, not
yet installed). Although the plug was lockwired it was clearly loose.
Since the only heat my engine has been exposed to is the test run
conducted at the factory, shrinkage of the seal with heat is not the
only problem here. I doubt the plug was properly torqued at the factory
before delivery.
check those servos!!
cheers,
Ron
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 8:55 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
G'day all,
There is a service bulletin on the Precision Airmotive series of
Fuel Injectors requiring immediate attention.
http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Publications/PEX-1.pdf
<http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Publications/PEX-1.pdf> refers.
I have not checked the part number of the servo delivered with
my new Lyco from Vans, but I'm pretty sure it is one of the affected
items.
I don't recall seeing any posts on this issue on the list, so I
thought I would pass on the details. Apologies in advance if this is
not relevant to the fuel injection servos we have on our 540's.
Cheers,
Ron
-187 finishing (was going to install the servo tonight!)
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A great flight planning web site that I think you will appreciate.
http://www.navmonster.com/
Rob Kermanj
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John,
Did you do the window install with the door on, or off, the fuselage?
If off, do you think that the post install fit issue could have been
reduced if the install were made with the door on the fuselage?
Thanks,
Dave Lammers
finishing
John Dunne wrote:
> Hi Indran, good to see you're still plugging away.
>
> I suppose I should clarify what I meant by "small animal" in case
> someone gets the idea it's O.K to have a gap the size of a beaver.
>
> My gap was more like 4 to 5mm at the worst spot.
>
> For what it's worth, the fit was good prior to the window installation.
>
> John 40315
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Andair/FI Fitting |
JIm,
I do mean the Tee swivel. So if it makes connection easier, where does it m
ake connection easier? WHere does it go?
JOhn> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Andair/FI Fitting> From: jimberry@qwest.net>
V10-List message posted by: "jim berry" <jimberry@qwest.net>> > If by "spec
ial AN fitting" you mean the swivel tee, it will make your line connections
much easier.> > Jim Berry> 40482> > > > > Read this topic online here:> >
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169701#169701> > > > > > > >
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| Subject: | Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD |
As I understand it, if you had your before the August 1, 2006 date, it did
not apply. Is this correct?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD
You should also be aware that the Precision SB and Emergency AD apply not o
nly to new certified RSA5 and RSA10 servos and the experimental Precision S
ilverhawk systems but also apply to any systems overhauled or repaired by i
n the field since August 1, 2006. So, even if you purchased an overhauled
engine from a shop like mine, Lycon or countless others and it has a Bendix
/Precision system on it, you need to comply with this AD for your own safet
y.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:07 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
This is the FAA AD Ron is referring to in case some of you don't have the i
nfo through the mail yet..
I could say something with regards experimental and some earlier comments b
ut I'll resist :)
John 40315.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
Checked my injector servo at lunch time (straight out of the box, not yet i
nstalled). Although the plug was lockwired it was clearly loose. Since th
e only heat my engine has been exposed to is the test run conducted at the
factory, shrinkage of the seal with heat is not the only problem here. I d
oubt the plug was properly torqued at the factory before delivery.
check those servos!!
cheers,
Ron
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
G'day all,
There is a service bulletin on the Precision Airmotive series of Fuel Injec
tors requiring immediate attention. http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Publ
ications/PEX-1.pdf refers.
I have not checked the part number of the servo delivered with my new Lyco
from Vans, but I'm pretty sure it is one of the affected items.
I don't recall seeing any posts on this issue on the list, so I thought I w
ould pass on the details. Apologies in advance if this is not relevant to
the fuel injection servos we have on our 540's.
Cheers,
Ron
-187 finishing (was going to install the servo tonight!)
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| Subject: | Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD |
That's how I read it.
Rhonda
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD
As I understand it, if you had your before the August 1, 2006 date, it
did not apply. Is this correct?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB/Emergency AD
You should also be aware that the Precision SB and Emergency AD apply
not only to new certified RSA5 and RSA10 servos and the experimental
Precision Silverhawk systems but also apply to any systems overhauled or
repaired by in the field since August 1, 2006. So, even if you
purchased an overhauled engine from a shop like mine, Lycon or countless
others and it has a Bendix/Precision system on it, you need to comply
with this AD for your own safety.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:07 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
This is the FAA AD Ron is referring to in case some of you don't have
the info through the mail yet..
I could say something with regards experimental and some earlier
comments but I'll resist :-)
John 40315.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
Checked my injector servo at lunch time (straight out of the box, not
yet installed). Although the plug was lockwired it was clearly loose.
Since the only heat my engine has been exposed to is the test run
conducted at the factory, shrinkage of the seal with heat is not the
only problem here. I doubt the plug was properly torqued at the factory
before delivery.
check those servos!!
cheers,
Ron
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Friday, 14 March 2008 8:55 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Injector Servo SB
G'day all,
There is a service bulletin on the Precision Airmotive series of
Fuel Injectors requiring immediate attention.
http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Publications/PEX-1.pdf
<http://www.precisionairmotive.com/Publications/PEX-1.pdf> refers.
I have not checked the part number of the servo delivered with
my new Lyco from Vans, but I'm pretty sure it is one of the affected
items.
I don't recall seeing any posts on this issue on the list, so I
thought I would pass on the details. Apologies in advance if this is
not relevant to the fuel injection servos we have on our 540's.
Cheers,
Ron
-187 finishing (was going to install the servo tonight!)
"Warning:
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is
confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the
intended
recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any
attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this
email
in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has
been
taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free,
however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not
the
sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure
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checks are completed before installing any data sent in this
email to
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| Subject: | Re: Andair/FI Fitting |
John,
I believe most people are using the Andair valve with the built in 90 degree ports,
because it makes plumbing the fuel lines easier. I used the swivel tee on
the center(or outflow) port because there is not enough room for a standard tee
to clear the other 2 ports during installation. If you spend some time trying
to get all 3 lines installed to the Andair in the confined space of the tunnel
I think you will find the extra cost of the swivel tee to be worth it.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB(reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169822#169822
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I will be interested to hear how Richard created a 1/8 inch rabbet, but in the
mean time I can suggest an alternative. If you trim the door edge square so that
it sits slightly inside the curved portion of the canopy edge, the door edge
can serve as a mold for creating the rabbet. The inner edge of the door should
be just tangent to the radius of the canopy edge. Once you have the windows
installed, apply 2 layers of release tape(packing tape) to the edge of the doors.
You should have all door locking hardware installed and adjusted to final
fit. Close the doors and lock them in place. Trowel on a mix of flox/micro to
the canopy top so it fills the gap between the door edge and the canopy. After
it cures, open the doors and remove the packing tape. You will be left with
a rabbet that exactly matches your door edge, and should require very little clean
up. Also, I would suggest installing the door windows with the doors mounted
on the canopy.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB(reserved)
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The gap the size of a BEAVER???=C2-=C2- :).......maybe you should have
said Polecat..
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:37:46 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door fit
Hi Indran, good to see you=99re still plugging away.
I suppose I should clarify what I meant by =9Csmall animal=9D i
n case someone gets the idea it=99s O.K to have a gap the size of a b
eaver.
My gap was more like 4 to 5mm at the worst spot.
For what it=99s worth, the fit was good prior to the window installat
ion.
John 40315
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Indran Chelvanayagam
Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2008 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
Now we all come out of hiding...
The gap between my first set of doors & the canopy was more than the allowa
ble small animal.
Have recently taken delivery of a new set of door shells. The local FG aero
plane guru will be supervising the second set over Easter - has already sug
gested many changes to the procedure in the Van's manual, such as clecoing
the shells all the way around the perimeter; heat gun to remove any bending
stress before joining; and totally ignoring the preformed dimples.
As a side note, the new pink layups are better surface quality than the old
green ones.=C2-
Will post more info (&pics) when doors done.
Indran
#228 - soon to be a four door RV10
On 13/03/2008, at 3:55 PM, John Dunne wrote:
Rob, I was very careful as well but in the end you could fit a small animal
between the door and the canopy.
I ended up fibreglassing my doors shut and then creating and molding the ca
nopy to the door with a gentle transition.
Finally I re-cut the original opening back through. Wasted a lot of time on
this and agonized over it way too much and in the end it was simple enough
to fix.
I also removed the small animal so it didn=99t suffocate because the
doors were now airtight.
John 40315 Cowls.
From: =C2- owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com =C2- [mailto: owner-rv1
0-list-server@matronics.com ] =C2- On Behalf Of =C2- Robert Wright
Sent: =C2- Thursday, 13 March 2008 2:11 PM
Subject: =C2- RV10-List: Door fit
All,
I've been looking at the way my doors fit to the canopy and am wondering, "
Since I did as good a job as I could, including clamping everything flush w
hile the epoxy set, then why do I have a slight bulge on one door in relati
on to the canopy," and, "should everything look perfect as a result of trim
ming, or should I naturally be expecting to add=C2-some filler between th
e canopy and doors to make everything smooth and ready for paint?"
Reading through other websites, they're written up to seem like masters of
the fiberglass trimming, and once=C2-trimmed and glued=C2-they're ready
for the paint booth=C2-after=C2-a coat of primer on.
Thoughts and pointers?
Rob Wright
#392
starting on door hinges
Be a better friend, newshound, and =C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
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Not sure how they can call themselves a GA planning site when you can't overlay your route on an actual aviation map (sectional, TAC, etc). Did I miss how to do this? The only options for the route maps are Street Map, Satellite, Hybrid and Terrain. I much prefer http://skyvector.com/ It will overlay your planned route on the actual current Sectional, TAC or IFR charts.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those
who matter don't mind."
-- Dr. Suess
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> A great flight planning web site that I think you will appreciate.
>
> http://www.navmonster.com/
>
>
> Rob Kermanj
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There is a free flight planning program (less the more detailed functions)
from wwww.seattleavionics.com called voyager
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: re: RV10-List: flight planning
Not sure how they can call themselves a GA planning site when you can't
overlay your route on an actual aviation map (sectional, TAC, etc). Did I
miss how to do this? The only options for the route maps are Street Map,
Satellite, Hybrid and Terrain. I much prefer http://skyvector.com/ It will
overlay your planned route on the actual current Sectional, TAC or IFR
charts.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind."
-- Dr. Suess
-------- Original Message --------
>
> A great flight planning web site that I think you will appreciate.
>
> http://www.navmonster.com/
>
>
> Rob Kermanj
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General door fitting questions:
Are you installing the door seals prior to painting? If so,
why?
Is it necessary to have the seal installed during the door
fitting process? If so, why?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
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Chris,
Is the seal from ATP hollow? Will you be mounting it
temporarily at this fitting check, assuming pre-paint? Is
the choice of door seal necessary to know at the time of
door fitting?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
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----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
.....and this was with hinges on but no door seal.
.....I'll revisit the fit with the door seals on, those just
arrived . I am trying the ones from Aviation Tech Products.
-Chris
>#40072
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Dave, I did the window install on the fuse. It was a very hot day if I
recall (36C around 100F) and the weld-on went off very quickly...too
quickly for my liking but my figuring on a hot day was the plexi was
more pliable and less likely to suffer any cracks. I must admit, I came
back a few days later and removed the doors and it wasn't until I
re-installed them some weeks later that I actually noticed the problem.
It had me a little perplexed as I'd think it unlikely the bowing would
have been caused by the window install and curing process. My initial
thoughts were that I didn't have the doors back in their exact position
when re-installed but in the end I figured a few people were suffering a
similar result albeit no-one was really openly discussing it and the
finer finish work was my responsibility in any case. Like I previously
stated I wasted far to much time on this and it only annoyed me because
all the metal work up until that point was precise and a pleasure to
work on. Once I got over the "take it from the box and fit it" mentality
I started to enjoy the flexibility of the glass work and the ease with
which you can fix mistakes.
John 40315
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Lammers
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
John,
Did you do the window install with the door on, or off, the fuselage?
If off, do you think that the post install fit issue could have been
reduced if the install were made with the door on the fuselage?
Thanks,
Dave Lammers
finishing
John Dunne wrote:
Hi Indran, good to see you're still plugging away.
I suppose I should clarify what I meant by "small animal" in case
someone gets the idea it's O.K to have a gap the size of a beaver.
My gap was more like 4 to 5mm at the worst spot.
For what it's worth, the fit was good prior to the window
installation.
John 40315
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Richard,
How did you cut the rabbit mentioned below?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
do not archive
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds@macs.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
>John,
>
>We put a 1/8 square rabbit in the canopy door frame. it
>made the door very easy to fit. Make it deep enough for
>the thickest part of the door. Be careful when trimming
>the canopy frame in way of the aluminum fuselage frame.
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For what it's worth I think the door build is the worst part of buuilding
this airplane.
I've spent hours and stinking hours fitting, filling, cutting, on and on.
Finally I get
an acceptable fit, on go the seals, and nothing fits, or closes. Rip out
the seals everything is
fine. Don't know what I'm going to do at this point.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
>
> Rob, My experience was certainly Not ' cut/glue/hang/ it was more like...
> cut/glue/hang/fill/sand/hang/fill/sand/hang/fill/sand.......... you get
> the picture.
> http://deemsrv10.com/cabinwindowslogindex.html
>
> I'm NO master of fiberglass / epoxy, the good news is you really don't
> have to be, other than it being messy and sticky, there's not too much you
> can do w/ fiberglass that can't be corrected if you goof up. In the end
> (I haven't installed door seals yet ....?) I'm happy with the fit of the
> doors to the cabin cover. But it took a LOT of additional work. A lot of
> it depends on you own taste and preferences, Van's fiberglass parts are
> not made with the same precision as the CNC metal parts. I'm sure that
> they all possess the required strength to do their respective functions.
> The additional work is really a mater of cosmetics and your personal
> preferences.
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Robert Wright wrote:
>> All,
>> I've been looking at the way my doors fit to the canopy and am
>> wondering, "Since I did as good a job as I could, including clamping
>> everything flush while the epoxy set, then why do I have a slight bulge
>> on one door in relation to the canopy," and, "should everything look
>> perfect as a result of trimming, or should I naturally be expecting to
>> add some filler between the canopy and doors to make everything smooth
>> and ready for paint?"
>> Reading through other websites, they're written up to seem like masters
>> of the fiberglass trimming, and once trimmed and glued they're ready for
>> the paint booth after a coat of primer on.
>> Thoughts and pointers?
>> *
>>
>> *
>
>
>
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What cleaners and cloths are being used to clean the windows. Its about time
to remove the protective coverings.
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No its not hollow it is a neoprene of sorts made for pipers, so its more
like a square cross section. Not unlike the home depot stuff...but better. I
have not opened it yet, looks like there is some special adhesive with it
too. I plan to use some carpet tape for a temporary type install to see how
it will interfere with what I call the "preliminary" door fit I have
achieved. Going into this I couldn't believe the seal wouldn't possibly
change my fit so I am mentally prepared for more work once the seal is on.
I think its a good idea to try a temporary fit of the seal because I think
the trim of the cabin top and its variation will affect the seal and its
compression or lack of compression etc.
-Chris
#40072
----- Original Message -----
From: <kilopapa@antelecom.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
>
> Chris,
>
> Is the seal from ATP hollow? Will you be mounting it
> temporarily at this fitting check, assuming pre-paint? Is
> the choice of door seal necessary to know at the time of
> door fitting?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
> 40494
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:01:35 -0400
>
> .....and this was with hinges on but no door seal.
>
> .....I'll revisit the fit with the door seals on, those just
> arrived . I am trying the ones from Aviation Tech Products.
>
> -Chris
>>#40072
>
>
>
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For what it's worth, we have started doing the door fit/fill/sand/fill/
fit/fill... process with the seals on. We found what others found
that with the seal the fit is completely different. Even to the point
of not marking and drilling the holes for the latch pins until the
seal is on, and shimming out the plastic blocks on the door to get the
pin holes further away from the edge of the figerglass/metal on the
door frame. I believe there are several right ways to do this, but
may wrong ways. I have seen some pin holes that we so wallowed out
they were completely unusable IMHO and should be filled/doubled and
redrilled. I agree with the other assessments that the doors are the
worst (or at least close to it) part of building the -10.
BTW, have any others worked on a door seal that fits on the cabin
instead of the door? FWIW, it looks a lot better, seals well and
helps the fitting process.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 14, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Chris wrote:
>
> No its not hollow it is a neoprene of sorts made for pipers, so its
> more like a square cross section. Not unlike the home depot
> stuff...but better. I have not opened it yet, looks like there is
> some special adhesive with it too. I plan to use some carpet tape
> for a temporary type install to see how it will interfere with what
> I call the "preliminary" door fit I have achieved. Going into this
> I couldn't believe the seal wouldn't possibly change my fit so I am
> mentally prepared for more work once the seal is on. I think its a
> good idea to try a temporary fit of the seal because I think the
> trim of the cabin top and its variation will affect the seal and its
> compression or lack of compression etc.
> -Chris
> #40072
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <kilopapa@antelecom.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
>
>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Is the seal from ATP hollow? Will you be mounting it
>> temporarily at this fitting check, assuming pre-paint? Is
>> the choice of door seal necessary to know at the time of
>> door fitting?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>> 40494
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>> From: "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit
>> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:01:35 -0400
>>
>> .....and this was with hinges on but no door seal.
>>
>> .....I'll revisit the fit with the door seals on, those just
>> arrived . I am trying the ones from Aviation Tech Products.
>>
>> -Chris
>>> #40072
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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