---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/22/08: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:40 AM - RV10 model (Wayne Edgerton) 2. 08:01 AM - Re: RV10 model (John Gonzalez) 3. 10:23 AM - Re: RV10 model (Larry Rosen) 4. 11:14 AM - Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Lew Gallagher) 5. 11:49 AM - Re: heated pitot to plastic tube connector (johngoodman) 6. 12:45 PM - Re: Batteries (gary) 7. 02:04 PM - weight (David McNeill) 8. 03:04 PM - Re: weight (Larry Rosen) 9. 03:38 PM - N104BS First Flight (rv10builder) 10. 03:57 PM - Re: N104BS First Flight (Tim Olson) 11. 04:08 PM - Re: N104BS First Flight (Larry Rosen) 12. 04:08 PM - Re: N104BS First Flight (John Dunne) 13. 05:19 PM - Re: weight (David McNeill) 14. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Thane States) 15. 05:47 PM - Re: weight (Kelly McMullen) 16. 05:51 PM - Paint VH-ICY (Chris and Susie McGough) 17. 06:07 PM - Re: heated pitot to plastic tube connector (Chris) 18. 06:15 PM - Re: weight (David McNeill) 19. 07:43 PM - Re: N104BS First Flight (Rene) 20. 08:03 PM - Re: N104BS First Flight (bruce breckenridge) 21. 08:57 PM - Re: weight (Robin Marks) 22. 09:04 PM - Re: Fuel pressure problems (Chase Snodgrass) 23. 09:20 PM - Re: weight (David McNeill) 24. 09:43 PM - Re: RV10 model (Shawn Moon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:46 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: RV10-List: RV10 model I've recently had a bad experience that I thought I would share with you so maybe you wont experience the same thing. Back in October of last year I ordered 3 plane models of my plane to be made, long story why 3, from Griffin Aerospace Models www.griffinaerospace.com and had to pay for them up front, which I didn't mind doing. They told me that I should hopefully have them by Xmas, which was what I wanted. Come Xmas time they said there had been some delays because of XYZ but should be here the end of Jan but if not for sure first week of Feb. On the third week of Feb I e-mailed them asking what the hold up was on the models. I also called and left them a voice mail with the same question, they never answer their phone, I received no response back from them. On march 9th I wrote them an e-mail, and called and left a voice mail, saying that it had been 5 months since I ordered the models and I needed them to respond and let me know when I could expect delivery of the models and if they didn't respond I would have Master Card reverse the charge for the models. I've never heard back from them and I have now reversed the charges for the models. They never even responded back to Master card on the reversing either. I know that Tim had good luck, I think, with them but they definitely are not on top of their game now. If anyone is considering ordering a model of their plane I would suggest looking elsewhere other that Griffin, based on my experience. Has any of you had good luck with another model maker? Wayne Edgerton N602WT ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:25 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 model I ordered one from a dealer on Ebay, I think they are made in the Phillipea ns. The models are made of wood and painted. The RV10 wingspan is about 11 inches and I only purchased it for painting reasons, to try out my paint sc heme. The order was filled and shipped within a few weeks and the model is of hig h quality and was about $55. Unfortunely, my favorite one orderred is the C anadian version of a C130. Detail and paint scheme are amazing and it was t he same price. They have a vary large selection of aircraft and I recommend them for doing business with. John G. 409 From: wayne.e@grandecom.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: R V10 modelDate: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:36:59 -0500 I've recently had a bad experience that I thought I would share with you so maybe you wont experience the same thing. Back in October of last year I o rdered 3 plane models of my plane to be made, long story why 3, from Griffi n Aerospace Models www.griffinaerospace.com and had to pay for them up fro nt, which I didn't mind doing. They told me that I should hopefully have th em by Xmas, which was what I wanted. Come Xmas time they said there had bee n some delays because of XYZ but should be here the end of Jan but if not f or sure first week of Feb. On the third week of Feb I e-mailed them asking what the hold up was on the models. I also called and left them a voice mail with the same question, t hey never answer their phone, I received no response back from them. On mar ch 9th I wrote them an e-mail, and called and left a voice mail, saying tha t it had been 5 months since I ordered the models and I needed them to resp ond and let me know when I could expect delivery of the models and if they didn't respond I would have Master Card reverse the charge for the models. I've never heard back from them and I have now reversed the charges for the models. They never even responded back to Master card on the reversing eit her. I know that Tim had good luck, I think, with them but they definitely are n ot on top of their game now. If anyone is considering ordering a model of t heir plane I would suggest looking elsewhere other that Griffin, based on m y experience. Has any of you had good luck with another model maker? Wayne Edgerton N602WT ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:21 AM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 model Just do a search on ebay for RV10 Model and you get 2 results from ecraft designs. They have 2 models. 11.5 inch and 16.6 inch wing spans. $69 and $125 respectively. This is probably the vendor John is referring to. I thought Jesse was in the RV10 model business. Larry Rosen do not archive John Gonzalez wrote: > I ordered one from a dealer on Ebay, I think they are made in the > Phillipeans. The models are made of wood and painted. The RV10 > wingspan is about 11 inches and I only purchased it for painting > reasons, to try out my paint scheme. > > The order was filled and shipped within a few weeks and the model is > of high quality and was about $55. Unfortunely, my favorite one > orderred is the Canadian version of a C130. Detail and paint scheme > are amazing and it was the same price. They have a vary large > selection of aircraft and I recommend them for doing business with. > > John G. 409 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: wayne.e@grandecom.net > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: RV10 model > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:36:59 -0500 > > I've recently had a bad experience that I thought I would share > with you so maybe you wont experience the same thing. Back in > October of last year I ordered 3 plane models of my plane to be > made, long story why 3, from Griffin Aerospace Models > www.griffinaerospace.com and > had to pay for them up front, which I didn't mind doing. They told > me that I should hopefully have them by Xmas, which was what I > wanted. Come Xmas time they said there had been some delays > because of XYZ but should be here the end of Jan but if not for > sure first week of Feb. > > On the third week of Feb I e-mailed them asking what the hold up > was on the models. I also called and left them a voice mail with > the same question, they never answer their phone, I received no > response back from them. On march 9th I wrote them an e-mail, and > called and left a voice mail, saying that it had been 5 months > since I ordered the models and I needed them to respond and let me > know when I could expect delivery of the models and if they didn't > respond I would have Master Card reverse the charge for the > models. I've never heard back from them and I have now reversed > the charges for the models. They never even responded back to > Master card on the reversing either. > > I know that Tim had good luck, I think, with them but they > definitely are not on top of their game now. If anyone is > considering ordering a model of their plane I would suggest > looking elsewhere other that Griffin, based on my experience. > > Has any of you had good luck with another model maker? > > Wayne Edgerton N602WT > > * > > get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:35 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Nick and Eric, Thanks to John and the guys ahead of me on the traveling tool list, the seatbelt countersink arrived today! If others are interested, post your name here with your next in line number so we can keep passing it forward -- then back to John. I will contact Nick (4), to get the address when we're through with it and then on to Eric (5). Later, - Lew do not archive -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Landing gear installed, we're mobile! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171758#171758 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:04 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: heated pitot to plastic tube connector From: "johngoodman" Pascal, What brand of heated pitot is it? Unless it's something unusual I'd think the adapters from Safair1 would work fine. Once you're about 5 or 6 inches away from the pitot, heat shouldn't be an issue. Scroll down this web page: http://www.safeair1.com/index.htm John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171760#171760 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:51 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Batteries No I went with two small ones like Tim Olson did. Gary 40274 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Batteries Did you go with the rg25 battery? Pat Thyssen gary wrote: It's the engine monitor that reboots for me when I crank. So I needed to add a second battery even though I have 2 alternators. Gary 40274 DAR inspection scheduled -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@CombsFive.Com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Batteries I agree! I have the Advanced Flight Systems 3500EE and it works great during cranking. Any EFIS that will not function during cranking is not ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:36 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: weight Just weighed N46007 and the result is 1630. arm was 109. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:05 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: weight Dave, nice job would you add some details. Wheel fairings paint interior engine choice prop choice etc. Also you should submit this info to the RV weight and balance database Larry David McNeill wrote: > > Just weighed N46007 and the result is 1630. arm was 109. > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:38 PM PST US From: rv10builder Subject: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight After 3 years and 3 months of building, kit serial number 40308 flew at 08:48 in the morning on Saturday March 22nd as RV-10 N104BS. The flight lasted 34 minutes with the only squawks being a audio problem resolved by re-seating the audio panel and a non-reporting CHT probe. She may not look pretty but flies great! I owe a special thanks to Dan Masys (N104LD) for serving as my tireless technical counselor and flight advisor. His help has been invaluable the entire project. Also thanks to you Tim Olson for the information you supply to this community! Brian Sutherland #40308/ N104BS Nashville, TN ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:25 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight Brian, I sometimes don't jump in on the quick one-liners like "Congrats!" and all that stuff, but since you put my name in there, let me say "great job" and welcome to the list of flying -10's!! As you get flying, you may have lots of questions, and feel free to ask and learn as you need to. You're gonna have a blast from here on out! Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive rv10builder wrote: > After 3 years and 3 months of building, kit serial number 40308 flew at > 08:48 in the morning on Saturday March 22nd as RV-10 N104BS. The flight > lasted 34 minutes with the only squawks being a audio problem resolved > by re-seating the audio panel and a non-reporting CHT probe. She may > not look pretty but flies great! I owe a special thanks to Dan Masys > (N104LD) for serving as my tireless technical counselor and flight > advisor. His help has been invaluable the entire project. Also thanks > to you Tim Olson for the information you supply to this community! > > Brian Sutherland > #40308/ N104BS > Nashville, TN > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:46 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight "She may not look pretty but flies great!" Looks prettier than the parts I have in my garage :-) Congratulations Larry Rosen #356 do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:46 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: Re: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight Congratulations Brian, well done and she looks plenty pretty to me! Cheers John, 40315 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "rv10builder" Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight > After 3 years and 3 months of building, kit serial number 40308 flew at > 08:48 in the morning on Saturday March 22nd as RV-10 N104BS. The flight > lasted 34 minutes with the only squawks being a audio problem resolved > by re-seating the audio panel and a non-reporting CHT probe. She may > not look pretty but flies great! I owe a special thanks to Dan Masys > (N104LD) for serving as my tireless technical counselor and flight > advisor. His help has been invaluable the entire project. Also thanks > to you Tim Olson for the information you supply to this community! > > Brian Sutherland > #40308/ N104BS > Nashville, TN > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:00 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: weight Wheel pants and fairings included, no paint yet but will weigh again after paint (Matterhorn white Jetglo and Maroon trim. Engine is IO540D4A5 from Vans, Hartzell blended prop Seats are ultra leather on the astronaut couch green. Four point inertial belts: two are back of the Boeing style and two are flight deck rotary buckles. Dual Chelton displays, SL30, G327, Digiflite VSGV (switch able between Chelton, GRT or stand alone). GRT EIS 6000, PM6000 intercom. GRT Sport EFIS with moving map for backup and the primary XM weather display. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: weight Dave, nice job would you add some details. Wheel fairings paint interior engine choice prop choice etc. Also you should submit this info to the RV weight and balance database Larry David McNeill wrote: > > Just weighed N46007 and the result is 1630. arm was 109. > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:03 PM PST US From: "Thane States" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes Would like to be on the list!! Thanks. Thane States 11182 Scullers Run Tega Cay, Sc 29708 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Gallagher" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > Hey Nick and Eric, > > Thanks to John and the guys ahead of me on the traveling tool list, the > seatbelt countersink arrived today! If others are interested, post your > name here with your next in line number so we can keep passing it > forward -- then back to John. > > I will contact Nick (4), to get the address when we're through with it and > then on to Eric (5). > > Later, - Lew > > do not archive > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Landing gear installed, we're mobile! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171758#171758 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:09 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: weight Any thoughts as to the wide range of c.g.s shown on and where yours came out? On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > Wheel pants and fairings included, no paint yet but will weigh again after > paint (Matterhorn white Jetglo and Maroon trim. > > Engine is IO540D4A5 from Vans, Hartzell blended prop > > Seats are ultra leather on the astronaut couch green. Four point inertial > belts: two are back of the Boeing style and two are flight deck rotary > buckles. > > Dual Chelton displays, SL30, G327, Digiflite VSGV (switch able between > Chelton, GRT or stand alone). GRT EIS 6000, PM6000 intercom. GRT Sport EFIS > with moving map for backup and the primary XM weather display. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:02 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: weight > > > Dave, nice job > would you add some details. > Wheel fairings > paint > interior > engine choice > prop choice > etc. > > Also you should submit this info to the RV weight and balance database > > > Larry > > David McNeill wrote: > > > > Just weighed N46007 and the result is 1630. arm was 109. > > > > * > > > > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:26 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: RV10-List: Paint VH-ICY Home paint booth VH-ICY and my boy ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:03 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: Re: RV10-List: heated pitot to plastic tube connector Pascal Here is a setup I copied for my salvaged cessna heated probe. I just have the total not the total and static as is shown. The nylon part I used was PN 266N04X04 from spruce. http://bmnellis.com/images/Wings/Dcp01628.jpg Chris Lucas #40072 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:41 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: heated pitot to plastic tube connector thanks John, what connector/connection/adaptor would I use to connect the copper connector from the pitot tube to this tubing? Thanks! Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Cox To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: heated pitot to plastic tube connector Tygon F4040-A Fuel and Lubricant tubing comes to mind. We use it on the turbine engines near a fuel transfer point with extreme heat near the exhaust stacks. Heat resistance is important but so is compatibility with cleaning solvents and hydrocarbons. YMMV. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:44 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: heated pitot to plastic tube connector Looked at archives and see questions on this but not the specific adaptor I'll need for the heated pitot tube copper connector to the plastic tubing I plan to use (instead of the aluminum). anyone know what I need to make this connection happen? Thanks! Pascal http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:33 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: weight The only explanation I have is that the front seats were aft; secondly some are using different datum. I would expect that the empty weight and arm would come out near the forward limit which is 107.84 to my understanding; aft limit is 116.24 using the datum in the instructions; hence my empty arm is 109.13. The forward seats are adjustable forward by at least six inches. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: weight Any thoughts as to the wide range of c.g.s shown on and where yours came out? On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > Wheel pants and fairings included, no paint yet but will weigh again after > paint (Matterhorn white Jetglo and Maroon trim. > > Engine is IO540D4A5 from Vans, Hartzell blended prop > > Seats are ultra leather on the astronaut couch green. Four point inertial > belts: two are back of the Boeing style and two are flight deck rotary > buckles. > > Dual Chelton displays, SL30, G327, Digiflite VSGV (switch able between > Chelton, GRT or stand alone). GRT EIS 6000, PM6000 intercom. GRT Sport EFIS > with moving map for backup and the primary XM weather display. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:02 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: weight > > > Dave, nice job > would you add some details. > Wheel fairings > paint > interior > engine choice > prop choice > etc. > > Also you should submit this info to the RV weight and balance database > > > Larry > > David McNeill wrote: > > > > Just weighed N46007 and the result is 1630. arm was 109. > > > > * > > > > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:08 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight Congrats. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10builder Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight After 3 years and 3 months of building, kit serial number 40308 flew at 08:48 in the morning on Saturday March 22nd as RV-10 N104BS. The flight lasted 34 minutes with the only squawks being a audio problem resolved by re-seating the audio panel and a non-reporting CHT probe. She may not look pretty but flies great! I owe a special thanks to Dan Masys (N104LD) for serving as my tireless technical counselor and flight advisor. His help has been invaluable the entire project. Also thanks to you Tim Olson for the information you supply to this community! Brian Sutherland #40308/ N104BS Nashville, TN ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:46 PM PST US From: "bruce breckenridge" Subject: Re: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight Right on! Most excellent! On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Rene wrote: > > Congrats. > > Rene' > 801-721-6080 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10builder > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:31 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: N104BS First Flight > > After 3 years and 3 months of building, kit serial number 40308 flew at > 08:48 in the morning on Saturday March 22nd as RV-10 N104BS. The flight > lasted 34 minutes with the only squawks being a audio problem resolved > by re-seating the audio panel and a non-reporting CHT probe. She may > not look pretty but flies great! I owe a special thanks to Dan Masys > (N104LD) for serving as my tireless technical counselor and flight > advisor. His help has been invaluable the entire project. Also thanks > to you Tim Olson for the information you supply to this community! > > Brian Sutherland > #40308/ N104BS > Nashville, TN > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:47 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: weight From: "Robin Marks" Way to go David! Do you have any photos of your seatbelt arrangement? I have to make a belt choice real soon. Since you are at it a Panel shout would be cool too. Robin ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:05 PM PST US From: "Chase Snodgrass" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel pressure problems Agreed. Yawing the airplane will send the fuel to the same side of the tank as the ball. In a coordinated turn the fuel does not move (much). Chase Snodgrass Presidio, TX http://flybigbend.com Simultaneous RV-10 twins early stage On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:53 PM, John Ackerman wrote: > Could somebody please explain why a coordinated turn would make any > difference here? > I once flew with a well regarded instructor in his personal Glasair, > (different airplane, David ) and got really tired of holding aileron to > compensate for unequal lateral weight distribution. His solution was a steep > turn toward the light wing. I did so just to avoid an argument, but it > predictably did no good. This looks like the same idea to me. > No flame war intended, I'm just wondering what I'm missing... > John Ackerman 40458 > > > ...however it would still be possible to vent after a turn that immersed the > internal tube end near the outboard edge. I have seen fuel venting in my > Glastar in a moderate turn after takeoff with all tanks to the filler neck. > > > RV10-List Email Forum - > browse > Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > more: > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > Forums! > http://forums.matronics.com > - List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:34 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: weight Will send a couple of pics tomorrow, the computer that contains the current ones is on its way to be repaired. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: weight Way to go David! Do you have any photos of your seatbelt arrangement? I have to make a belt choice real soon. Since you are at it a Panel shout would be cool too. Robin ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:42 PM PST US From: Shawn Moon Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 model Wayne, I have had no personal experience with this place, but my wife tells me that there is a place at Mecham that does them. One of the test pilots she works with really likes their work and goes there often. I don't know what the name of the place is, but it is next door to Air Source One pilot supplies. It's off Main street in Fort Worth, right across from the airport. Nice thing about them would be that you can walk in the front door and smack them around if they don't deliver. :) --Shawn 40366 - Wings ----- Original Message ---- From: Wayne Edgerton Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:36:59 AM Subject: RV10-List: RV10 model I've recently had a bad experience that I thought I would share with you so maybe you wont experience the same thing. Back in October of last year I ordered 3 plane models of my plane to be made, long story why 3, from Griffin Aerospace Models www.griffinaerospace.com and had to pay for them up front, which I didn't mind doing. They told me that I should hopefully have them by Xmas, which was what I wanted. Come Xmas time they said there had been some delays because of XYZ but should be here the end of Jan but if not for sure first week of Feb. On the third week of Feb I e-mailed them asking what the hold up was on the models. I also called and left them a voice mail with the same question, they never answer their phone, I received no response back from them. On march 9th I wrote them an e-mail, and called and left a voice mail, saying that it had been 5 months since I ordered the models and I needed them to respond and let me know when I could expect delivery of the models and if they didn't respond I would have Master Card reverse the charge for the models. I've never heard back from them and I have now reversed the charges for the models. They never even responded back to Master card on the reversing either. I know that Tim had good luck, I think, with them but they definitely are not on top of their game now. If anyone is considering ordering a model of their plane I would suggest looking elsewhere other that Griffin, based on my experience. Has any of you had good luck with another model maker? 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